Removing the Detroit Diesel inline 6-71 from a GM bus PD4104
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- Not really the right tool for the job using the tractor but it got it done. Getting ready to install the running take out after a thorough cleaning and inspection of the bulkheads. Detroit Diesel left hand rotation inline 671 engine replacement and removal of entire engine cradle on the vintage gm bus 4104
Last guy I watched take an engine out of a vehicle unhooked everything, hooked it up to a hoist, then said something along the lines of "now it's time to test the tensile strength of everything I forgot to disconnect" 🤣
diesel creek hahaha
That's a sick feeling when youre SURE youve got everything disconnected and then you look down at the firewall and say "Oh- shouldnt take more than an hour and $100 to fix THAT!"
Thankfully I do it that a lot less than I used to..
Watching you work and talk about these engines is just awesome. You have such a wealth of knowledge.
Man, I just love this channel, I can watch the most recent, and then go watch one from years ago, and all while learning. Thanks Scott and Kelley, you guys are awsome.
You and Kelly work well together, and make a good team. We have all seen the couple who are ready to rip each other's heads off after only five minutes trying to do something together (such as the RV couple backing their trailer into a tight spot at a campground, or loading the boat at the boat launch. Oh boy... the language, such anger and in public!!).
Fascinating! You could possibly be the only guy in the world still fixing these things! Great work!
& Bus Man Phil
@@RustyZipper RIP Bus Man Phil... that said definitely not the only one. Probably the most prolific though. Lots of local places still work on detroits.
“Any tool can be the right tool”. Red Green. 👍
If the girls don’t find you handsome, at least they can find you handy.
“Every tool has a hammer side”, Eric O, South Main Auto.
Especially the handyman's secret weapon
Well never thought it came out that way. I thought the cradle and engine came out the side of the bus when I watched the other video. Never saw someone pull a engine out of a bus. The mechanics at work would love it if the engine came out like that in a semi. Learn something new every day.
Please with what your doing do not I repeat do not use cheap ass harbor freight junk jacks chain falls or jack stands. I’ve been a heavy equipment mechanic And heavy truck mechanicfor over 25 years. And I learned my lesson with that junk and luckily was never seriously hurt You can’t skimp on safety Great channel I get a lot of enjoyment watching. I never was a bus guy. But I know some that were. Great channel thanks
Pretty cool Scott, amazing how those engines are mounted. Glad you explain why they were. Needed to be changed out quick when they were still in service. Aircraft engines were the same.
Thanks for filling us in on your difficulty with the tractor, it did look like you didn't know how to operate it very well. Must be very frustrating to not be able to do this smoothly!! All the Best from Canada.
Thank you, very interesting, especially explanation on TOW HITCH maximums and why not to pull rear of bus apart, thank you.
Your knowledge is worth a fortune! And you ability to deal with tough stuff is truly amazing...
Thought you did very well getting it out, boy is it going to be fun getting it back in, you have to be mm perfect without side shift. Some good team work coming up look forward to seeing the next episode
You use what you have and hope for the best. Nice tractor I had the same one but it had the "Ultra Grand Cab" seeing as I am in Canada and we get -40 C or F. Thanks for the great vids
.....another enjoyable vlog as the engine swap progresses , thank you 2...
Love your videos Scott. Thanks for bringing us along
I once had the misfortune to work for a "fly by night" bus company years ago, and what they gave me to remove an 8V71 in a GMC Buffalo was a large steel plate with 3 big swivel casters welded on the bottom. then I rolled the plate under the engine and placed three bottle jacks on the plate which I used to support the engine; then I very carefully rolled it out from the bus. That was the most dangerous thing I've ever seen. After I got the plate with the engine supported only by the bottle jacks clear of the bus, then I picked the engine up with a chain hoist. it still scares me to think about it.
@@davidczarnecki581 , The jacks were not fastened to the plate, and they weren't fastened to the engine either. it wasn't exactly OSHA approved
Feeling the struggle of the front end loader style forks. You did well with what you had!
The cross sectional area difference between 1.5" and 2" is huge.
2.25 to 4 to be exact, or 1:1.78, the water flow is even worse if one adds boundry velocity flow reduction to the equation.
You can add flow control valves to the loader circuits to smooth it out 👍
I use pallets when lifting items with my tractor forks. Load shifts, it falls on the pallet plus easy to move around the yard.
maybe two pallets under the engine and then the forks wouldnt hit the bulkhead
And pallets will provide proper friction between forks and load
If that radiator has the same number of cores use a torch, unsweat the pipes, get larger copper tubing, expand the hole in the radiator sweat the new ones on. Simple plumbing 101
Hey Scott, nice work with what you have! I apologise if my comments on the last video seemed to be picking on your abilities. It was definitely just to comment on the difficulty of using a tractor like a forklift. As you said it can be very frustrating with a tractor that is twitchy and doesn't like to feather. Especially on a larger tractor with limited visibility of the forks! Good luck putting the other one in. Love your videos and work ethic! Keyboard warriors be damned, get another set of eyes there to make life easier and don't show us anything until the last hanger bolts are being slid in! Save you from having to answer anymore tractor questions.. 😉
Seem ground to soft for a fork lift your helper their is doing a find job.. amazing the two brackets holding all that weight
You are so right about the tractor, it's good for what, it's good for, but it is not a precision work machine. When you use a modern fork lift , your hand rests on the control levers, and you lift/lower, tilt and shift as an extension of your hand, not even thinking consciously about it,while creeping smoothly forward. Having loaded air freight myself you have to be good or get good since putting even a tiny dent in the skin of a plane requires it be grounded until it is cleared by a qualified airframe specialist. I always look forward to watching you work on those Detroits.
kelli is a treasure
See i learned something new i was thinking why did you not disconect the bumper great job sir
next purchase when the BGM Bus Barn is Built: a used forklift that has the capacity to lift a fully loaded engine cradle without overloading, and that has side shift for that fine control of installing an engine into a bus.
It’s not capacity it’s the design of the hydraulic system that prevents fine control. It’s much lower pressure and the valving doesn’t allow fine control which is fine for a cost optimized farm implement. It’s like using a black and decker drill with an on/off trigger when you’re used to your variable speed Milwaukee.
Go watch aVe’s video on overclocking his tractor to understand the difference.
And a bumper mounted
Hi........ I use a modified boat trailer for removing engine cradles for GM and MCI
Thanks for an amazing video Scott be safe and take care both of you
I'm not sure if its age or just a sense of nostalgia or both. Maybe it's just pride. Everytime I see the old buses and hear that song it makes me smile ear to ear..I gotta think that since it's about you and what you do that you got to giggle a little when you hear it..as always great job
I love him in the rabbit suit
Man that's awesome... Didn't know that about tongue weight on the GMC's... Awesome work
Glad you mentioned towing. I would never tow with that type of mount set up for the power train.
You know what you're doing so do it the way you know will work. That's the right way for you. Nobody else is there helping you out.
We extended the hydraulic control levers aboutafoot on ours it war with a bit of conduit . Made all the difference .
Decided to watch this than the debate.....at least I'll learn something🥴
You’re not missing much lol
Us also.
same
Ditto !!
Ain't that the truth. Started watching it. It was a joke. They are a joke. So here I am. This great country and this is the best we can come up with?
Towing aspect is clear now. Your awesome thank you
Thought you did pretty good for what you had, good job.
I thought those hydraulics on the Kubota looked mighty touchy.
Try a skid steer. They have the precise control you are looking for. While you are stuck using the tractor keep in mind that turning the front wheels while setting still gets you an inch or two of side shift. Not great, but better than nothing.
Really enjoy yours and your wifes video's.Cheers Ross from Australia
Nice work. You always find that last connection when you are halfway out. I've driven my share of forklifts and tractors and agree the tractor will get it done, but it's nothing like having a forklift. light tractors with forks are a pain. Keep at it. You'll be on the road in no time.
You have my respect. I remember the Bus Depot in Pontiac MI.. as a kid, You got me keeping my eye open..
Ignore peoples opinions you work with what you got to get the job done, great vlogs and love watching your content here in England uk !
amazing how you do all this from memory.
the old case equipment have really smooth hydraulic function.
hello scott amazing job taking out a.k.a removing the detroit diesel inline 6-71 gm bus engine PD41O4 with the tractor and if anyone complains about you using the tractor as you where saying at the end of this video you explained it well i say don't listen to the nagitive people its what you have and besides you know what your doing 100% so i cn't wait to see the other one installed i really liked and enjoyed this video so thankyou scott take care both you and kelly and stay safe out there from Randy from ontario,canada .
Awesome job Scott. You need to teach some folks that it doesn't take a week to pull motor.
Might check into attaching a safety chain to motor to prevent dropping off fork.
great work its old home week //back in the saddle
Like you said, taking time.
Totally known what your talking about on tractor forks , shop I use to work at had teir racks and when forklift broke down we had to use bobcat with forks , night mare!
Scott buying that jack at HF and the clerk says it’ll hold 3000#’s, Scott replies: “hold my beer” 🍺
The engine swap is similar to a front wheel drive car. You just unbolt the subframe with the engine in it.
I think it so cool that the whole bus is built like a monocock chassy passenger car.
There are downsides. Before wheellift towtrucks were existing,I suppose 1983 or so would be about right,the only way to tow a nonrunning bus was to install a pair of shaped I beams between front wheels and tow truck. Called rails,an air suspension bus with no air in the lines has little room underneath. Telling the guy driving a tandem wrecker his next job is rails on a bus in the rain was guaranteed to wipe the smile off his face.
Unitised body meant trying to lift off the bumper,the usual way,would wrinkle the roof and bend the body,all too often writing the vehicle off. And yes it has happened. Send a greenhorn out,bad things happen.
Those buses had many decades of very bright engineers fine tuning the design. Most of the time,that was advantageous.
Heavy wrecker drivers needed to have a phlegmatic and patient personality,with problem solving abilities. And spare clothes.
@@paulmanson253 i have been a part of a few tows in the army and just helping friend get their BMWs out of the ditch in the winter. And keeping a clear head and looking at what you hook up to saves a lot of trobule. I remember being a small kid in the late 1990s most buses got either flat towed or taken away on a low boy trailer. living in Estonia and it being only 5 to 10 years after the soviets left no heavy wreckers were available yet. If something heavy went of the road a K700 Kirovets tractor was the best tool for the job or a tracked skider for hauling logs, it had a powerful winch on it.
@@ToomasTelling For what it is worth,my first girlfriend was from an Estonian family come to Canada post WWII. Tall,and a dance student,it was a wonderful summer for a young kid. She will be a grandmother now.
@@paulmanson253 there is a lot of us Estonians in canada because of WW2. These days only around 900 thousand Estonians live here most are in Canada or Australia. Our country exist because of Canada because our goverment oprated in Exile from 1940-1991.
@@ToomasTelling Wow. Well I guess that explains the occasional sign. Vaaba Esti. At least you got your country back. Despite Stalin.
Thanks for explaining your situation... watching you was driving me crazy... love you guys 👍🥰
Need to find you a good used forklift that has pneumatic tires on it, so you can run it up and down your gravel driveway there and so you can have one there just for jobs like that. And I know what you mean, I ran a forklift for years and got pretty damn good with it and I’ve ran a tractor with hydraulics on it and it also had the forks to go with it and you’re absolutely right, a forklift and a tractor w/forks are not the same.( ps. - I got used to calling a forklift, a tow motor, the old fella that taught me called them that so I guess it just stuck with me)!
That is so slick how that comes out and goes in as a unit! Anyone who grumbles at how you handle a front end loader has never run a farm hand . . .
Yeah, I hope whoever came up with that design got a bonus!
Agreed, debate isn't getting the job done, I do need to now how this works, if the old bus blows up some day
Kelly's good with the camera and purty helpful altogether methinks!
Plus a heck of a chef 👩🍳
I agree 100% a tractor is not a fork lift, having used both for work, but you gave it hell...good job. What a way to end this with the Tom Feller tune
I know I’m weird but to me soMe of the best engine degreaser Or just cleaning grease off frames etc is dollar tree oven cleaner.its very strong smelling but will def remove grease
Walter.... yes, it sure does!! Have used it and the regular cleaner from Awesome at Dollar Tree Stores..... now, $1.25 "Tree". : (
You need to buy one of them tractors 👍
That's a pretty slick arrangement with the cradle, never realized it was setup like that. Yeah I definitely wouldn't tow with those buses after seeing this, tow bar maybe.
Sometimes as you well know you do your best with what you have. You make a living doing that. I am sure after your shop is built a good fork lift is in your future.
Scott, clamp or tie something light to the forks on the tractor, set so they lineup on the connections to secure the motor, even with the motor on them the longer bits can be dropped yet make ensuring correct alignment for putting the engine in easier.
You act as if you have pulled one of these before, or two or a dozen or lots more than that. I wonder, back in the day how many a Greyhound mechanic would change at one of the big terminal cities. On construction jobs we almost never had a forklift on the job unless the bricklayers had one, after about the mid 80s there might be a backhoe with a set of forks that attached to the bucket or in place of the bucket. It was exactly as you explained it. The guy running the backhoe could place the bucket on the digger end anywhere with precision but it was meant to dig not be a forklift. We were always glad to at least have a way to unload freight but machines that are purpose built for one thing are not generally great at anything else.
what I mean is use what you have. Keep up the good videos!
Ingenious design, though I'm amazed at how much the body has to hold. Drop the engine and trans in a few minutes. Stuff the replacement in and be back on the road. Bus doesn't make money if it's in the shop.
You can add a level kit on these so that the forks stay on the same plain when lowering or raising the boom.
milwaukee makes a really nice 3/8 ratchet
Enjoy the video. Thanks for the explanations and effort to record and edit.
Great video of the first part of R/R power unit on a 4014
I'd love to see work done on a Flxible Clipper Bus. They were quite a visual statement.
Everybody thinks The Bus Grease Monkey is doin something wrong Scott keep up the Good work all of your haters Can Smell your Smoke from that 1947 Detroit GMC DIESEL IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DETROIT DIESEL WE'D WHOLE HEAP O TROUBLE
Scott I believe there should be a pressure flow valve on that tractor somewhere most tractors I have worked on have them, it would adjust the flow rate of the fluid and let you feather your controls without losing pressure.
Glad to see you find the right engine so fast. Learned som chit although I have MC8. I'm sure someone will hook you up with a forklift down there. Crazy how that engine hangs by the balls ! Lol
Scott I lost it when u said ur ass stuck to the toilet seat to funny 😆
I remember when "Jennies Garage" took a year off.... rethunk .. and came back....
You would have to change to hydraulics setup to add the ‘finesse’ to them like a forklift.
I would think that this is the best time to replace all the hoses and components that will make the bus reliable in the future. I know that when I replaced a engine, I would replace all the belts, hoses and water pump and or timing belt or chain etc. because it was easier to do so with everything out and accessible.
Very slight and slow movements on the joystick and you will get finesse from the tractor hydraulics, low revs also helps. Either way great job she's out.
Shalom from Uberlândia Brasil.... God bless .
Hi Scott. The one place I know that used forklifts to load aircraft was Emery in Dayton. That was a zoo. B727’s and DC-8’s. LD7 cookie sheets. Then some of the smaller out stations that did not have an FMC cargo loader. Also was at USPS sort in Indy. Guys on the forklifts had skills.
727 cookie sheets were easy, a few dc8’s but lots of old cargo ones too like connies
I'm surprised that at 2:00 you didn't add a note to go to 27:26 to see exactly what you are referring to, it's my favorite clip in the BGM song's music video that you made. I smile and chuckle every time I see it.
Great job 👍🏻
Best Grease monkey you can tell that it was kindly hard for you to do what you needed to do with that tractor with forks don't pay attention to all the criticism you are doing a great job can't wait to see the next video on it and it was nice to see Kelly helping you she was doing a great job also
A suggestion re forklift: Buy a used electric one that "Needs new batteries" on eBay or the like. For just installing or removing a bus engine, "borrowing" 6 of your "Battle Born" batteries from your "home" for the time it takes to do so should be no problem, I believe that the max amp draw would be well within their limit (100 amps per battery) in a 36V series/parallel (3-2) wiring if you limit yourself to half speed (block of wood under the pedal?). I recommend selling the old batteries for scrap and filling the "Battery Box" with rocks/gravel/sand, as you need the weight. As they typically weight up to a ton, scrapping them before transporting it home could be a further savings, it will also allow you to store it outdoors in the winter without the danger of the batteries freezing, cracking and leaking acid. Make a simple wood rack hanging off the back for the lithium-ion batteries for their temporary use.
Your next investment needs to be in purchasing a pressure washer with Diesel heater.
Used forklifts are cheaper than you think. Mustie1 bought a used Yale forklift that kept dying and the owner couldn't find anyone to fix it. Turned out to be the solid state ignition inside the distributor was bad, $100 for a new one fixed it, 4 new tires new propane tank ( no crap added to propane like gasoline has ) no brakes, refill brake master cylinder, Mustie1 spent close to $2000 but reliable as the day is long was the result. Forklift does have side shift. He paid $500 for it. It would run for a while then die, took him two days to figure it out.
Cheers!
James ... recently had issues with my TMC fork lift and the local dealer wanted a week to schedule it, pu / delivery fee, loaner fee, etc. Obviously the idea is to keep your busy shop going. I spent an hour fooling with it to figure it needed a crank sensor the dealer didn't have in stock so I asked for the part # then called my local Nissan car dealer who DID have it in stock! (also fits a Nissan PU truck) Yeah, i stayed late that night but got it running the same day.
Try putting the revs against the governor on that kubota maybe you’ll find more finess out of the controls. I know what you mean they’re herky jerky! Turning the revs full tilt seemed to help with the one I run.
I waited and watched for the best price on my 4 ton HF jack, then before all the color options came out I got mine. With 6 vehicles and a schoolie, I abuse it regularly!
Sounds like someone was a 2T2X1. Loading aircraft with forklifts or when they are bridged with K-Loaders so much you can do it second nature.
I agree with so many others; you have an AKK... an Awesome Knowledgeable Kelly!! She's your right hand girl. I too am blessed with being married (now 40+ years!!) to an AAM..an Absolutely Awesome Marianne. Shortly after I met her, she rebuilt her second VW engine, since then, she became a nurse, has done stained glass professionally among other fine accomplishments. Now, she works with me on rehabbing old (& not so old) houses, building stud walls, hanging & finishing sheet rock etc. I can see Kelly with her hands right in there when you build the shop.
Grab a couple of pallet jacks from harbor freight and make a stand to go between them and the engine cradle. then you should have the control to slide the engine in there. Use the tractor to set the engine on the pallet rig. good luck.
The hydraulics on those tractors must be designed differently. I tried to use one with the backhoe attachment and it was miserable, it was not even close to a good mini-x or true backhoe.. I kinda figured it was something going on with the tractor, still made me cringe a little, I felt for you..
I think there should be adjust in hydraulic valve so you could feather the tractor forks. Our old tractor had same issue, and that famous "some guy" fixed that.
Another con using tractor instead of forklift is that tractor pushes forks forward as you lift them.
Ahh the diesel shower, I'm sry but I was In tears when I saw your face, you were just laughing lol
Is that the interior panel that no one should cover up when remodeling???
Yes. Its in the center over the exhaust manifolds
Very interesting. Thanks.
Greyhound bus maintenance terminal Phoenix Arizona. would change a motor and transmission combination in two hours.