This is such a "blast from the past"...an excruciating attempt to provide profound "cosmic? Universal? Energetic?" wisdom to a culturally and "spiritually" impoverished audience...in 1958, no less. Awkward, dated, but courageous, brilliant and timeless. Repackaged, it could be a treasure of a resource for soul full cultural creatives. Wow. I am stunned, inspired, crying, screaming, choking, aghast, impressed and speechless. No doubt one needs to be a 70+ year old jazz lover to fully appreciate this unprecedented film.
Sun ra was a supreme being in this jazz genres and had high vibrations in the Jim Crow era and we talking about the mid late 1940s into the 70s…his was 3rd eye open so much that he made the hip hop traditional beats and samples by hand no machine before it was invented..that’s unheard of … now you tell me if this man wasn’t a supreme being on earth or could of being a universal child ..I’ll wait
How do you try to align yourself with Sun Ras accomplishments. He and his fellow musicians did this. Not you. You can't claim the accomplishments of others just cause you are the same skin tone
Well, to my own surprise, I have mixed feelings with this share. I'm a firm practitioner of share care. But to explain and compartmentalize a feeling (Jazz), is beyond expression for me. Just because someone knocks on your door, doesn't mean you need to ask, who is it? Needless to, the share, totally enjoyable!!!!!
Thank you reelblack for sharing this Doc., pretty powerful, real and the truth, they say somethings never change and look at us today, I know The Devil is in the details!
@Potato5115 - Hear hear! Even if black female musicians were still quite rare then, it would have created a better balance if a black woman could have joined the discussion.
funny how he's saying jazz is dead when in 1959 some of the most cutting edge albums came out. shape of jazz to come by ornette, kinda blue, John Coltrane - Giant Steps
They are talking about Socialism in a hip, Bebop kind of way! I love Jazz, and play 3 instruments, and I know how satisfying music is, but it should not be politicized, as if it was magic and that no one else can understand it! Music is a mathematical expression created by the mind and spirit of a human being! Nothing more, and nothing less! Thanks!
Interesting historical document... slavery, Jim Crow... those are facts. His take on what the music "means" well that's just an opinion, but certainly it came out of black culture mostly. "The negro" and "the white man" don't really exist. We're all just individuals separated by lies so we can't be united to oppose the bullshitters. There have been great "white" jazz artists. Bird was a huge fan of Artie Shaw. Hoagy Carmichael was in King Oliver's band. I'm a long time Sun Ra fan advocate and he WAS great, one of my sculptures graces one of his album covers... Oddly... and sadly, most times I saw Sun Ra live most of the audience was white. The take though on "the white man" jazz is ill informed as is the concept of cultural appropriation. Jazz guys put European harmony to African rhythms & drums an came up with Jazz & that's a great thing, the more we take the best of each, the more we move forward. I will say geniuses like Duke Ellington made the idiot racist claim that blacks are inferior increasingly absurd and the idiots who espouse such claims look increasingly stupid. Ellington and MLK brought us closer to just being human, as it should be. MLK's take on art/music is the best quote I've ever heard: "Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted. " Martin Luther King, Jr.
Without slavery there wouldn't have been blues without blues no jazz without jazz no funk without funk no hip hop so the muse of all black musicians was and still is racism.... So to all black folks you better like what you hate... Welcome to the parallel universe
@@theruddyone6443 oh yes and most of Blue Note musicians used music to get fame or to make profit + most of the musicians like Coltrane or miles David were junkies..so they all failed ..only real musician was Sun Ra all others failed :/
WRONG. All those genres you named are already within the genius of the black brain and have been around before white people existed. Slavery or not that musical energy would have been released.
Thankbyou for posting this. I played in Sun Ra's band and studied with hi. In the 1980's. Thanks so much again...
This is such a "blast from the past"...an excruciating attempt to provide profound "cosmic? Universal? Energetic?" wisdom to a culturally and "spiritually" impoverished audience...in 1958, no less. Awkward, dated, but courageous, brilliant and timeless. Repackaged, it could be a treasure of a resource for soul full cultural creatives. Wow. I am stunned, inspired, crying, screaming, choking, aghast, impressed and speechless. No doubt one needs to be a 70+ year old jazz lover to fully appreciate this unprecedented film.
You KNOW I had to show up for this 😎
You people always make my day aside from being one of my inspirations to make this world just a lil better+
Sun Ra- Space is the place
Ayo I love this channel man, there’s such unique interesting content
Very informative! Thank you for sharing!🎵🎶🎷🎸🎹📯🎺🥁🎻
Sun ra was a supreme being in this jazz genres and had high vibrations in the Jim Crow era and we talking about the mid late 1940s into the 70s…his was 3rd eye open so much that he made the hip hop traditional beats and samples by hand no machine before it was invented..that’s unheard of … now you tell me if this man wasn’t a supreme being on earth or could of being a universal child ..I’ll wait
Great documentary. How we influence the people devoid of a soul.
How do you try to align yourself with Sun Ras accomplishments. He and his fellow musicians did this. Not you.
You can't claim the accomplishments of others just cause you are the same skin tone
Wow. This movie, made in the year of my birth. is fresh and timely. I feel like the arguments could be made today!
Many thanks for sharing this - very interesting.
Magnificence.
Thank you for posting Reelblack.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for this!
I love this movie, and I love Beatniks.
wow! amazing! great documentary!
Good stuff! Thank you!
Well, to my own surprise, I have mixed feelings with this share. I'm a firm practitioner of share care. But to explain and compartmentalize a feeling (Jazz), is beyond expression for me. Just because someone knocks on your door, doesn't mean you need to ask, who is it? Needless to, the share, totally enjoyable!!!!!
a fascinating intellectual discussion, certainly of its time, but still interesting to think about today
mind blown I'm starting to feel the same way about rap
Thanks , as a Jazz musician the debate enabled me to understand the on-going mixed climate in jazz
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Thank you reelblack for sharing this Doc., pretty powerful, real and the truth, they say somethings never change and look at us today, I know The Devil is in the details!
Wow...good one..
what an amazing artifact. interesting how the Black Woman is absent in much of the film.
It was 1959. Very very few women Black or White played Jazz. If Mary Lou Williams had been there she would have been (very) present.
@Potato5115 - Hear hear! Even if black female musicians were still quite rare then, it would have created a better balance if a black woman could have joined the discussion.
funny how he's saying jazz is dead when in 1959 some of the most cutting edge albums came out. shape of jazz to come by ornette, kinda blue, John Coltrane - Giant Steps
These debates have been going on forever!
shouldn't be a debate Black Americans rule on Jazz
@@shirlball2 FACT exactly.
Amazing time capsule
Defund the Jazz Police!
Can you please do 'Minnie Riperton' possibly the most talented vocalist in history?
Dope
wow
A USofAmerican treasure. Merits it's place at the LoC. #spaceistheplace
They are talking about Socialism in a hip, Bebop kind of way! I love Jazz, and play 3 instruments, and I know how satisfying music is, but it should not be politicized, as if it was magic and that no one else can understand it! Music is a mathematical expression created by the mind and spirit of a human being! Nothing more, and nothing less! Thanks!
what brought everybody here?
Hey uh…. Why are these people so mad about jazz? Maybe they should smoke a jazz cigarette and chill the heck out
Interesting historical document... slavery, Jim Crow... those are facts. His take on what the music "means" well that's just an opinion, but certainly it came out of black culture mostly. "The negro" and "the white man" don't really exist. We're all just individuals separated by lies so we can't be united to oppose the bullshitters. There have been great "white" jazz artists. Bird was a huge fan of Artie Shaw. Hoagy Carmichael was in King Oliver's band. I'm a long time Sun Ra fan advocate and he WAS great, one of my sculptures graces one of his album covers... Oddly... and sadly, most times I saw Sun Ra live most of the audience was white. The take though on "the white man" jazz is ill informed as is the concept of cultural appropriation. Jazz guys put European harmony to African rhythms & drums an came up with Jazz & that's a great thing, the more we take the best of each, the more we move forward. I will say geniuses like Duke Ellington made the idiot racist claim that blacks are inferior increasingly absurd and the idiots who espouse such claims look increasingly stupid. Ellington and MLK brought us closer to just being human, as it should be. MLK's take on art/music is the best quote I've ever heard: "Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted.
" Martin Luther King, Jr.
BLACKMUSICMATTERS....
Without slavery there wouldn't have been blues without blues no jazz without jazz no funk without funk no hip hop so the muse of all black musicians was and still is racism.... So to all black folks you better like what you hate... Welcome to the parallel universe
yeah. NO.
@@theruddyone6443 oh yes and most of Blue Note musicians used music to get fame or to make profit + most of the musicians like Coltrane or miles David were junkies..so they all failed ..only real musician was Sun Ra all others failed :/
WRONG. All those genres you named are already within the genius of the black brain and have been around before white people existed. Slavery or not that musical energy would have been released.
most jazz is out of key and goes around in circles, only some blues jazz is melodic and says something or sounds good,
This was terrible!!
Can't take reality eh?