“The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor AFTER gaining control of the ball.” I.e. gather / zero step I wouldn’t suggest that you try any of these as they would probably get called. I’m only clarifying the rules. Again this video is only to teach rules not teach moves. I DON’T suggest you try these I DON’t suggest you teach these. I’m only clarifying the rule and what it allows. This is a huge part as to why Harden Giannis and Kyrie are amazing finishers around the rim because they have incredible footwork but these are some of the most advanced moves. I would only teach them in person when I can monitor every movement.
@@R2bball i respect your belief since u play ball urself but to me in my opinion its a travel dawg.. as u mentioned when in the motion both feet have to be planted but as soon as the first foot is raised the other one becomes the pivot
I was one who called travel every trip lol once u stop the dribble with the ball in ur hand u have two steps and what this guys showed us was a travel lol if the ball was not in his hand when gathered then cool but once u stop that dribble it's a wrap
@@R2bball that's 3 steps and beyond brotha lol don't make these same James Harden excuses.. If the ball don't bounce agai then it's not live leaving you with the two steps or stop and pop option that like saying you can take a stutter step followed by two after
Michael Jones I’m only clarifying the rules. You will get called most of times but according to the book it’s totally legal. Dribble stutter gather 1,2 completely legal. 2 steps after gather is the rule. You’re allowed unlimited dribbles during a live dribble.
Salt a lot of people would! Even me after watching this video. If you think about it,,, you can take as many steps as you want in between your dribbles,, and then two more steps before finishing,,, you might as well take only ONE dribble and run with the ball (as long as it’s not a carry) and then pick it up to the finish it. That wouldn’t be fair. The rules of basketball doesn’t need changing! Get better if you wanna score; don’t try to bend the rules.
That always happens at school during our break, this dude thinks he's a great basketballer and he always calls whatever I do travel, he pounds people too, it's really annoying. Luckily people like this TH-camr excist that explain the rules.
Jay Stew how can you not respect it? its a rule. if you dont wanna use it to your advantage thats ok but just do us all a favor and dont call it in a game.
Wow, at least there are some popple who see that. He also moves what would have been his pivot foot back in the day and makes contact again. Maybe the rules changed, but back in the day you couldn't do that
@@onlyfacts3178 bro everyone does that on a drive, he was just going to slow. also u cannot carry a ball sideways, its impossible unless u have big enouigh hands to palm it. u can only carry UNDER the ball
Had a huge argument with my friends about this that led to 2 hours of watching videos and reading the rules wish this video was posted earlier more people should know
At 2:00 I can't believe people agree with Ryan. Even if your able to dribble again, u didn't!!! Ur never allowed to take 7 steps after dribbling. 🙄 Also what on earth was that at 0:11... That's no zero step.
Old comment, but I'm going to reply anyway. The fact that he didn't dribble again DOES NOT MATTER. It's the fact that he COULD HAVE. It is not possible to travel with a live dribble, only after the dribble ends. You're missing that very key distinction.
I don't. I think anyone who watched this became dumber. It also was a rule that was created in 2009 to justify lebrons crab walk. I was playing ball way before that was a thing, and I personally think it's a setback. Most people clearly agree. Hence, this is just one example where every person over 30 thinks this is a travel If players are so much better than they should play by the rules vs. 1001 offense advantages, they are given today
Remember kids, this interpretation of the "gather" only applies when you are an MVP candidate in the NBA that provides 100s of million of revenue to the ENTERTAINMENT business called the NBA with their employed refs 😂😂😂
So how does palming play into this? It's hard to tell from the video but it seems like for some of these in order for the ball to stay in your hand when your hand is behind the ball, you would have to be palming it. That counts as picking the ball up, so wouldn't that constitute the beginning of the two steps?
its simple. "i can take as many steps as i want if my hand is on top of the ball, my steps only count until after my hand goes under or both hands go on the ball"
Half of these were travels because in the middle of his gather he gained enough control of the ball to pass or shoot. He just chooses to extend the gather in an unnatural way to create enough ambiguity to exploit the rule. But the rule says that while a player is gathering, as soon as the player is ABLE to pass or shoot, the gather is completed.
Exactly. He is saying he hasn't gathered the ball yet as he's taking another step because he says technically he could have dribbled again. But just by the fact he didn't dribble again, means he gathered the ball. I just made a post saying this may be legal in the NBA, I'm not familiar enough with the nuances of their rules. But most if not everything he demonstrated here is illegal at the high school level.
@@dannyvernon1098 you basically said you dont know enough rules but then you said you know its illegal lmao your whole thought contradict with each other.
He doesnt understand dribble term. Dribble is hitting the ball in the floor, not that dumb lil girls steps with freezing ball, i can make that steps 1 meter long with this balls position easy... Red t shirt mix up "i CAN continue to dribble" and 'I MUST continue to dribble" ))) So many words in languages, so easy to mix up .. for some ppl.
Ryan Razooky Basketball picking up your dribble is the “gather” and 2 steps are allowed afterwards. When the player “gathers” the dribble is not up for interpretation.
rmtjr237 yes and if the dribble is still live then it has not been gathered. You’re allowed unlimited steps during a live dribble and 2 steps after gather. It’s not 2 steps after dribble. 2 steps after gather
Ryan Razooky Basketball @1:36 the dribble stopped and there was 5-6 stutter steps afterwards then 2 more steps without a dribble in between. That is traveling to the 10th degree. Putting two hands on the ball does not validate the stutter or the final 2 steps. C’mon Man!!
His hand is literally below the ball so many times when he claims he is still dribbling. I agree that all these things are not called travels anymore, but that would have been traveling back then.
@Jose-sy1je 100 percent correct. Educate my ass, 75 % of all his moves he would be called for traveling. When he terminates his dribble. It's not up to him to say when, it's the referee.
2:00. This perfectly articulates why I disagree with the legality of these moves: I don’t think you can still dribble. If you did, any referee worth his salt would call a carry and a turnover. So, most of these plays are either a travel or a carry (if you dibbled after). I do appreciate the care you took. The principle is something we agree on. We disagree on the execution. 2:30 is an example of what would be an easy carry had you continued your dribble to the left after that palm and juke to the right.
Agree on principle bit h to w carry has totally been eliminated from referee to allow for dramatic crossovers. The other comment says Carries can only be called if the hand is underneath but that doesn’t factor in the length of time between dribbles. This allows for this type of exploitation that James harden has perfected
Again I am NOT encouraging any of these to be used. This video is only to explain the rule. Gather 1,2 The rule was never dribble, 1, 2 There is no limit to the number of steps during a live dribble the rule of steps is only for the ball being picked up. (2 hands, 1 hand under, cuff, palm) 2 steps After Gather
Thanks for the slowed-down videos - makes all the difference in trying to understand things. I agree these are all legal moves, except one. As a ref I would have called you for carrying the ball in the move shown in slow motion at the 1:41 mark (also shown at 0:12 and again at the 2:02/2:03 mark). You can clearly see the ball stops falling naturally due to gravity (watch it compared to the wall). That's because more than half of your hand is under the mid-plane of the ball (all except your thumb) and your fingers are adding a slight upward force. That's the definition of carrying the ball, and it has nothing to do with how many steps you take while dribbling (you can be called for carrying even if both feet are stationary). Any good ref should catch the hand under the mid-plane and the resulting unnatural ball movement, and call it for what it is: carrying.
you can also carry the ball sideways...gathering its about gaining control of the ball, people focus on the feet when its mostly about the hands.. if you are moving forward with the ball sideways (far from your body ) that means that you have control of the ball. Gathering the ball doesnt need to be with 2 hands...its when you gain control of the ball, if you are carrying the ball the steps start counting immediately even if you didnt even grabbed the ball with both hands... 2 scenarios can happen its a travel or if you dribble the ball again its a carry.
i’m sure we’re all thinking the same thing this is getting called everywhere except the league. people think nba refs don’t call travels but they don’t call them cause they aren’t travels
BUT they used to be travels AND were not called. But NBA superstars somehow seemed to be so unskilled that they couldnt NOT travel so the NBA just made it legal for whatever reason...
ampecsu no this isn’t true. if you’re argument is that they used to be and superstars get leeway that’s just false. yes those things used to be travels but you also couldn’t do crossovers. players learned how to manipulate the rules and the refs are trained to know what to and what not to call and most of the time they’re right
If you think the NBA doesn't cater to stars that lack fundamentals because they are 1 and done, then you don't understand BUSINESS. All levels except the NBA don't play by these rules. The NBA ISNT sports competition, it's entertainment as defined by the BBB.
did you stop the video right there??? he took 5 steps after 0:12 the first was during a dribble the second was technically still “during a dribble” since his hand was above the ball the third was a 0 step because he gathered the ball the fourth was his first step the fifth was his second step actually watch the video before you comment this stupid stuff
it's amazing how players have taken advantage of the interpretation of the rules. the sad thing is none of these will be useable as every bum at any pick up game is gonna say it's a travel
@@acb3534 Seriously this video is just wrong. If you hanging a ball to stutter step, you have to bounce it again or it's a travel. This new generation took the 1 and done formula of no fundamentals and "crab dribbling" to ruin the NBA. The league had to come out with the rule just because the players lacked basic footwork fundamentals 😂 That's like saying Melo's shot when he went from half court to the three point line on Shaqtin the fool was legal 😂
Yeah unless he is an NBA MVP he is probably picking the ball up a little early, but the point still stands. All of the moves he did are legal as long as you are able to control your gather
@@treybenson6550What do you mean the motion of a pickup? In that case I just put my hand below the ball and run with it across the court as fast as I can. If your hand is below the ball it's a carry if you keep on dribbling. If you don't, then your first foot that makes contact is your pivot. You cannot make contact with that foot againn
You are travelling in several of these. You cannot change the momentum of the ball for it to be a true gather. The hand under the ball is irrelevant. Hand on side or even on top of ball still allows you to slow/change the momentum of the ball. It is a DISCONTINUED DRIBBLE. Allen Iverson cupped side of ball, Jordan palmed the ball from top. The NBA wants excitement so they let it slide and now we have Harden step back and Isaiah Thomas discontinued dribble. If you change the down dribble timing you are carrying/travelling.
Great content, i just don’t think this would fly in any sort of level of competitive basketball in the near future. Many players across all levels would have to use this move for refs to adjust to calling (or in this case, not calling) travels. I can almost guarantee you that if I try this 10 times during my basketball season this year, a travel will be called every time
Max Whitney yes I understand. I’m simply clarifying the rules. Watch Kawhi Leonard’s game winner from last year. 1 dribble 4 steps. Totally legal. Late gather
Gathering is not just catching the ball with both hands. It is considered gathered if most of your hand is below the equator of the ball. And your hand did that in several of these moves. So if you can do the same moves but can keep your most of your hand on the top half of the ball, then they are all fine.
Matthew Zalen yes that is true! Because I stutter stepped during a live dribble ( meaning I could have dribbled again) those stutters do not count. Then when I do stop dribbling it’s 2 steps
@@midwest9757That's exactly right. But nowadays everyone does it and for some reason it's ok now. You can apparently even move your pivot foot and do a double step back to get your shot off. That explains the shooting today
@@Jose-sy1je universally accepted laws pertaining to sports religion biology and nature just to name a few are being challenged so that weak people who lack character and morals can feel better about themselves...I will be glad when it's all over and until then us real ones just gotta keep it real
WRONG. The move you make at 1:29 is a travel. Your hand is under the ball (the dribble is now over) and your right foot is on the floor. You can not put the right foot back down on the floor legally.
The problem with this is that you make the 1-2 step completely useless. The very first video showed you taking about 6 steps before a layup. This means you could take six steps if you make it seem like you could dribble again. Why even bother counting the last two steps anyways if you already took four steps beforehand
Traveling During a dribble the ball may be thrown into the air provided the ball touches the floor or another player before the player who threw it touches it again with his hand. There is no limit to the number of steps a player may take when the ball is not in contact with his hand.
Finally someone who knows about the 0 step and the gather. I have had sooo many arguments with my friends because of it. Also you have helped me a lot and bc I play with guys 2 yrs older than me and it's difficult to score (also I am an undersized pg) I've been able score some points.
Daniel Girvan I mean,,, the rules doesn’t need to be changed! I don’t like this video. And I hope y’all don’t go out and try these stuff because it’ll convince more people to do it.
If you’re struggling undersized, please don’t let this video courage you to try these moves every game! I think this will ruin the game if everyone starts bending the rules and it will get outta hand. If you wanna get good at scoring (not saying you’re not), then get faster and shiftier. Not bend the rules. There are plenty of other videos that can help you out.
@@sharpies_yt the gather step or "0" step is 100% within the rules of basketball. Always has been. The emphasis now is that the refs in the NBA have clarified what its definition is. I'm personally from a FIBA country and they added the gather step to the rules in the last couple of years. If it's good enough for the biggest governing bodies in basketball it's good enough for everyone.
@@R2bballcan i ask how do you properly dribble in fastbreak or transition i do pocketdribble and i am always faster than the ball pleaseee answer me i am struggling
Not saying anything about the legality of this, but it’s a physical fact that if you move fast enough that ball is not going to fall down, especially when your hand isn’t directly perpendicular to the ground but partially curved underneath the ball. You could run from one half of the court to the other like this
I want to see the rule book cited with videos like these. Most of this stuff looks like a travel. Even took 4 big ass steps with some of these after carrying and saying the ball was still live. Btw the movie Kyrie did was legal and not a travel. What you did is a travel.
To the naked eye it may look like Kyrie took 3-4 steps and thus traveled. It is when the idea of the gather comes in mind that we realize it's a legal move.
So true, this guy is definitely carrying big time and claiming that the ball is live...he's a flake and only shitty players who are looking to cheat will try this shit, just gotta call that carry as soon as you see it and that should put a stop to it...
If I use these moves at the rec center or at my gym will get 100% calls for traveling and then the debate if it is a traveling or not will heat up and I will never finish the game. Hahahha.
I am 34 yrs old. I never done this because i assumed it was a travel. Now, that you took your time explaining this to me, I thank you. All these yrs Ive been balling and I felt limited with attacking the basket. Now I understand. Thank you so much for the 3rd eye opener bro.
I agree with everything you're saying in the video, however @2:01 your hand goes underneath the ball, establishing a cease in dribbling, followed by both feet contacting the floor, then 3+ steps. definitely a carry/travel.
Dude, at 1:36 the ball came to rest in your hand while shuffling 6 steps. When you have fingers beneath the top half of the ball, it is said to have come to rest and that’s a travel.
you still kinda only do one step after the gather step. shouldnt it be two? as in 1) hang dribble: as many steps as you wish 2) gather step :dribble ends 3) two steps left (you should be jumping of your pivot foot) what am I not understanding?
This is completely legal....IN THE NBA ONLY!!!!! There is no ZERO step in College or High School BB. The dribble ends when the ball is in both hands or when the one hand on the ball goes below the equator of the ball. In this position the foot that is on the floor or first foot to touch the floor is the pivot foot. If the dribbling hand goes below the equator of the ball when dribbling, then dribbler continues dribble, then this is a CARRY violation. Also, if the player starts to gather the ball without first going below the equator of the ball, then officials will consider this an end to the dribble as well.
They watch too much James Harden and Steph Curry. I got kids complaining to me in high school because I call their James Harden stepback a travel... In the NBA, it might not be... In college/high school, it's an easy call.
While you're technically correct the moves you displayed would be called travels in a game despite being legal according the rules. Also you would get run out of every pick up gym getting into nonstop fights.
2:54 Nice how Kyrie made two steps while you made three. He literally picked up the ball while stepping. That's totally fine. You picked it up first, then made three steps: Illegal, imho. I'm just glad, we don't have that rule in Europe.
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“The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor AFTER gaining control of the ball.”
I.e. gather / zero step
I wouldn’t suggest that you try any of these as they would probably get called. I’m only clarifying the rules. Again this video is only to teach rules not teach moves. I DON’T suggest you try these I DON’t suggest you teach these. I’m only clarifying the rule and what it allows. This is a huge part as to why Harden Giannis and Kyrie are amazing finishers around the rim because they have incredible footwork but these are some of the most advanced moves. I would only teach them in person when I can monitor every movement.
You mean a lot carring
Saint Dockery hand must be under the ball to be a carry and it must discontinue the dribble
And once that both feet on the ground the first foot to raise is no longer the pivot
Michael Jones everything is dependent on the timing of the gather. That determines which step is the first or which are the zero
@@R2bball i respect your belief since u play ball urself but to me in my opinion its a travel dawg.. as u mentioned when in the motion both feet have to be planted but as soon as the first foot is raised the other one becomes the pivot
I can just imagine all the fights imma get into at my pick up court😂
No lie 😹😹😹
I was one who called travel every trip lol once u stop the dribble with the ball in ur hand u have two steps and what this guys showed us was a travel lol if the ball was not in his hand when gathered then cool but once u stop that dribble it's a wrap
Michael Jones no sir, the dribble was still live. Steps during a live dribble are legal. 2 steps after gather. Not 2 steps after dribble
@@R2bball that's 3 steps and beyond brotha lol don't make these same James Harden excuses.. If the ball don't bounce agai then it's not live leaving you with the two steps or stop and pop option that like saying you can take a stutter step followed by two after
Michael Jones I’m only clarifying the rules. You will get called most of times but according to the book it’s totally legal. Dribble stutter gather 1,2 completely legal. 2 steps after gather is the rule. You’re allowed unlimited dribbles during a live dribble.
As much as it isnt, inexperienced players and refs will always call that a travel
Salt a lot of people would! Even me after watching this video.
If you think about it,,, you can take as many steps as you want in between your dribbles,, and then two more steps before finishing,,, you might as well take only ONE dribble and run with the ball (as long as it’s not a carry) and then pick it up to the finish it. That wouldn’t be fair. The rules of basketball doesn’t need changing! Get better if you wanna score; don’t try to bend the rules.
The logic here is not to do choppy ass steps across the country. It's to take advantage of this to do more advanced footwork to score.
Sharp Ha the best bend the rules do wtf are you on about.
That always happens at school during our break, this dude thinks he's a great basketballer and he always calls whatever I do travel, he pounds people too, it's really annoying. Luckily people like this TH-camr excist that explain the rules.
Reason I stopped playing basketball as a kid refs or other people always told me I was traveling. So I gave up on the sport.
Niggas gon look at me crazy at the park tomorrow 😂😂
I get why it’s not a travel, but damn it’s so exploitable, so I can’t respect it
Jay Stew I’m not encouraging it, only explaining
Ryan Razooky Basketball true dat
Jay Stew how can you not respect it? its a rule. if you dont wanna use it to your advantage thats ok but just do us all a favor and dont call it in a game.
Miyoki Turuda who said I’d call it? Just said I can’t respect it
Jay Stew i’ve mastered it but still get called sometimes for highschool
Some of these are traveling because you are carrying. Having your hand under the ball is no longer a live dribble
Wow, at least there are some popple who see that. He also moves what would have been his pivot foot back in the day and makes contact again. Maybe the rules changed, but back in the day you couldn't do that
2:00
This man really just picked up the ball, tap danced and said it wasn’t a travel💀💀💀
Lmao
he watches to many games and saw old players doing that..but he forgets that they do that while dribbling the ball not carrying the ball sideways...
@@onlyfacts3178 bro everyone does that on a drive, he was just going to slow. also u cannot carry a ball sideways, its impossible unless u have big enouigh hands to palm it. u can only carry UNDER the ball
@@RobinXlone So you are saying you can't carry the ball sideways 😂 Newton would be pride of you ahahaha
@@RobinXlone you are so dumb that you can't even understand that you are talking about 2 different things..one is carrying and another is Palming.
Had a huge argument with my friends about this that led to 2 hours of watching videos and reading the rules wish this video was posted earlier more people should know
lmao, 2 hours ?? , yall must be bored as fuck
it was easier if you could actually read...its on the rules and they are basic and my1st language isnt even English..
@@onlyfacts3178 it's* my 1st* isn't* English...*
@@nickhabre2824 Thats what i wrote.
Like i said before....you cant read.
At 2:00 I can't believe people agree with Ryan. Even if your able to dribble again, u didn't!!! Ur never allowed to take 7 steps after dribbling. 🙄 Also what on earth was that at 0:11... That's no zero step.
This video is a 1 way ticket to the bench or a fight
Old comment, but I'm going to reply anyway. The fact that he didn't dribble again DOES NOT MATTER. It's the fact that he COULD HAVE. It is not possible to travel with a live dribble, only after the dribble ends. You're missing that very key distinction.
I don't. I think anyone who watched this became dumber. It also was a rule that was created in 2009 to justify lebrons crab walk. I was playing ball way before that was a thing, and I personally think it's a setback. Most people clearly agree. Hence, this is just one example where every person over 30 thinks this is a travel
If players are so much better than they should play by the rules vs. 1001 offense advantages, they are given today
Remember kids, this interpretation of the "gather" only applies when you are an MVP candidate in the NBA that provides 100s of million of revenue to the ENTERTAINMENT business called the NBA with their employed refs 😂😂😂
So how does palming play into this? It's hard to tell from the video but it seems like for some of these in order for the ball to stay in your hand when your hand is behind the ball, you would have to be palming it. That counts as picking the ball up, so wouldn't that constitute the beginning of the two steps?
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@@dasterslice6416 genius
Have fun explaing this in a pickup game lmao, especialy when theres money involved
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Shalom OG yeah well these are helpful for players who actually play competitively not some bumass’s who don’t know the rules
its simple. "i can take as many steps as i want if my hand is on top of the ball, my steps only count until after my hand goes under or both hands go on the ball"
Robin or if ya palm it
@@metroboomin4981 yea or a cuff. if u stop a live driblle then yo steps count
Half of these were travels because in the middle of his gather he gained enough control of the ball to pass or shoot. He just chooses to extend the gather in an unnatural way to create enough ambiguity to exploit the rule. But the rule says that while a player is gathering, as soon as the player is ABLE to pass or shoot, the gather is completed.
Exactly. He is saying he hasn't gathered the ball yet as he's taking another step because he says technically he could have dribbled again. But just by the fact he didn't dribble again, means he gathered the ball. I just made a post saying this may be legal in the NBA, I'm not familiar enough with the nuances of their rules. But most if not everything he demonstrated here is illegal at the high school level.
@@dannyvernon1098 you basically said you dont know enough rules but then you said you know its illegal lmao your whole thought contradict with each other.
They’re some laughably bad travels in there. A couple 4 and 5 step moves. Or at least a carry.
hahah cmon they cant read so mane words at once))))
He doesnt understand dribble term. Dribble is hitting the ball in the floor, not that dumb lil girls steps with freezing ball, i can make that steps 1 meter long with this balls position easy... Red t shirt mix up "i CAN continue to dribble" and 'I MUST continue to dribble" ))) So many words in languages, so easy to mix up .. for some ppl.
@1:36 is DEFINITELY A TRAVEL!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂20 steps “than gather, then take 2 more steps😂😂😂😂😂😂
It would be called a travel but the rule allows it
Ryan Razooky Basketball picking up your dribble is the “gather” and 2 steps are allowed afterwards. When the player “gathers” the dribble is not up for interpretation.
rmtjr237 yes and if the dribble is still live then it has not been gathered. You’re allowed unlimited steps during a live dribble and 2 steps after gather.
It’s not 2 steps after dribble. 2 steps after gather
Ryan Razooky Basketball @1:36 the dribble stopped and there was 5-6 stutter steps afterwards then 2 more steps without a dribble in between. That is traveling to the 10th degree. Putting two hands on the ball does not validate the stutter or the final 2 steps. C’mon Man!!
rmtjr237 it’s a live dribble. Those steps don’t count
1:38 onwards is definitely a travel...
Only in the NBA, every other league you'll get called for a travel 😂
His hand is literally below the ball so many times when he claims he is still dribbling. I agree that all these things are not called travels anymore, but that would have been traveling back then.
@Jose-sy1je 100 percent correct. Educate my ass, 75 % of all his moves he would be called for traveling. When he terminates his dribble. It's not up to him to say when, it's the referee.
I was always confused with the steps, but now it's soooo clear to me. THANKS COACH
So kawhi's shot was not a travel then right
You sir... did a great job on making a very inaccurate example of travel rules. I call it not a travel but an expedition
2:00. This perfectly articulates why I disagree with the legality of these moves: I don’t think you can still dribble. If you did, any referee worth his salt would call a carry and a turnover. So, most of these plays are either a travel or a carry (if you dibbled after). I do appreciate the care you took. The principle is something we agree on. We disagree on the execution. 2:30 is an example of what would be an easy carry had you continued your dribble to the left after that palm and juke to the right.
2:00 I completely agree with you, but 2:30 the hand is clearly behind the ball, that's not a carry
Agree on principle bit h to w carry has totally been eliminated from referee to allow for dramatic crossovers.
The other comment says Carries can only be called if the hand is underneath but that doesn’t factor in the length of time between dribbles.
This allows for this type of exploitation that James harden has perfected
There is not a single example of a carry within this video.
Thank you Coach Ryan,
Very informative and straight to the point.
Again I am NOT encouraging any of these to be used. This video is only to explain the rule. Gather 1,2
The rule was never dribble, 1, 2
There is no limit to the number of steps during a live dribble the rule of steps is only for the ball being picked up. (2 hands, 1 hand under, cuff, palm) 2 steps After Gather
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you're full of shit. ruining the game more than carrying over
0:11 man looks like he gonna score a touchdown
Thanks for the slowed-down videos - makes all the difference in trying to understand things. I agree these are all legal moves, except one. As a ref I would have called you for carrying the ball in the move shown in slow motion at the 1:41 mark (also shown at 0:12 and again at the 2:02/2:03 mark). You can clearly see the ball stops falling naturally due to gravity (watch it compared to the wall). That's because more than half of your hand is under the mid-plane of the ball (all except your thumb) and your fingers are adding a slight upward force. That's the definition of carrying the ball, and it has nothing to do with how many steps you take while dribbling (you can be called for carrying even if both feet are stationary). Any good ref should catch the hand under the mid-plane and the resulting unnatural ball movement, and call it for what it is: carrying.
you can also carry the ball sideways...gathering its about gaining control of the ball, people focus on the feet when its mostly about the hands..
if you are moving forward with the ball sideways (far from your body ) that means that you have control of the ball.
Gathering the ball doesnt need to be with 2 hands...its when you gain control of the ball, if you are carrying the ball the steps start counting immediately even if you didnt even grabbed the ball with both hands...
2 scenarios can happen its a travel or if you dribble the ball again its a carry.
i totally agree with your explanation, but since he didn't drible it again the correct call would be a travel, not carrying, right?
Um no, those are all travels
Um no, pay more attention to what he's saying and what he's saying
"EY EYE EY EY EY THATS A TRAVEL!"
ME: OH HELL NAH *show them this vid*
Yuichiro Sasaki do u even play ball?
i’m sure we’re all thinking the same thing
this is getting called everywhere except the league. people think nba refs don’t call travels but they don’t call them cause they aren’t travels
yea exactly. there is a reason why they are NBA refs
BUT they used to be travels AND were not called. But NBA superstars somehow seemed to be so unskilled that they couldnt NOT travel so the NBA just made it legal for whatever reason...
ampecsu no this isn’t true. if you’re argument is that they used to be and superstars get leeway that’s just false. yes those things used to be travels but you also couldn’t do crossovers. players learned how to manipulate the rules and the refs are trained to know what to and what not to call and most of the time they’re right
If you think the NBA doesn't cater to stars that lack fundamentals because they are 1 and done, then you don't understand BUSINESS.
All levels except the NBA don't play by these rules. The NBA ISNT sports competition, it's entertainment as defined by the BBB.
Lebron walked like 5 steps down the court and they didn’t call it
My man took 4 steps after his last drible - 0:12
he is an idiot and this is why bastketball sucks
Yes. That's because he carried the ball on that move (majority of his hand is under the mid-plane of the ball).
did you stop the video right there??? he took 5 steps after 0:12
the first was during a dribble
the second was technically still “during a dribble” since his hand was above the ball
the third was a 0 step because he gathered the ball
the fourth was his first step
the fifth was his second step
actually watch the video before you comment this stupid stuff
@@TheOGDailySpark play it slow motion how is carrying when hes not even dribbling ;-;
@@shanks7216 because his hand is all under the basketball.
1:39 ok buddy
Five Skies lol he traveling like fuck yo lol
it's amazing how players have taken advantage of the interpretation of the rules. the sad thing is none of these will be useable as every bum at any pick up game is gonna say it's a travel
You gotta do it smoothly
Cameron Kapiotis if you burn em smoothly then they ain’t doing shit. If they don’t want me to do that shit I’ll just make em look stupid nevertheless
Because they are travels.
@@acb3534
Seriously this video is just wrong.
If you hanging a ball to stutter step, you have to bounce it again or it's a travel.
This new generation took the 1 and done formula of no fundamentals and "crab dribbling" to ruin the NBA. The league had to come out with the rule just because the players lacked basic footwork fundamentals 😂
That's like saying Melo's shot when he went from half court to the three point line on Shaqtin the fool was legal 😂
Mind blowing
Thanks for breaking this down Coach!! Hope a lot of Coach & Ref tap into this with an open mind.
I’m second I learned a lot of new moves from u💯🤘🏾👍🏾
u make it more look like a travel than james harden
Dawg you traveling across the whole court
Thank u. Niggaz like him fucking up the game. The fuck is this clown talking about lol
@@popbottlez315 Google alll this up fam
You definitely had some carries in there. When your hand is UNDER the ball, carrying it, that’s a carry.
he was going into the motion of a pick-up. I’m guessing that still illegal ? Idk
Yeah unless he is an NBA MVP he is probably picking the ball up a little early, but the point still stands. All of the moves he did are legal as long as you are able to control your gather
@@treybenson6550What do you mean the motion of a pickup? In that case I just put my hand below the ball and run with it across the court as fast as I can. If your hand is below the ball it's a carry if you keep on dribbling. If you don't, then your first foot that makes contact is your pivot. You cannot make contact with that foot againn
@@Jose-sy1je shut up bitch. that’s why I said maybe idk
You are travelling in several of these. You cannot change the momentum of the ball for it to be a true gather. The hand under the ball is irrelevant. Hand on side or even on top of ball still allows you to slow/change the momentum of the ball. It is a DISCONTINUED DRIBBLE. Allen Iverson cupped side of ball, Jordan palmed the ball from top. The NBA wants excitement so they let it slide and now we have Harden step back and Isaiah Thomas discontinued dribble. If you change the down dribble timing you are carrying/travelling.
Great content, i just don’t think this would fly in any sort of level of competitive basketball in the near future. Many players across all levels would have to use this move for refs to adjust to calling (or in this case, not calling) travels. I can almost guarantee you that if I try this 10 times during my basketball season this year, a travel will be called every time
Max Whitney yes I understand. I’m simply clarifying the rules. Watch Kawhi Leonard’s game winner from last year. 1 dribble 4 steps. Totally legal. Late gather
Actually this shit right here wouldnt fly overseas ik someone who told me certain rules are different overseas in terms of jabbing and stuff like that
Leo_Cerberus the gather rule is the same. The jab rule is slightly different. They are more strict with putting the ball down before any foot movement
@@R2bball oooo ok
Stick to the basics Tim Duncan did it
Gathering is not just catching the ball with both hands. It is considered gathered if most of your hand is below the equator of the ball. And your hand did that in several of these moves. So if you can do the same moves but can keep your most of your hand on the top half of the ball, then they are all fine.
I'm not certain of this but I thought the 2 steps start once the ball is picked up or comes to a stop in the player's hand.
Matthew Zalen yes that is true! Because I stutter stepped during a live dribble ( meaning I could have dribbled again) those stutters do not count. Then when I do stop dribbling it’s 2 steps
@@R2bball your not dribbling your carrying
@@midwest9757That's exactly right. But nowadays everyone does it and for some reason it's ok now. You can apparently even move your pivot foot and do a double step back to get your shot off. That explains the shooting today
@@Jose-sy1je universally accepted laws pertaining to sports religion biology and nature just to name a few are being challenged so that weak people who lack character and morals can feel better about themselves...I will be glad when it's all over and until then us real ones just gotta keep it real
James Harden agrees with all of these
EVERY sing one of those is a travel. 3 steps will always be a travel. i wish the refs wouldn't bend over.
Dude you are carrying the ball.
This is an interesting example of how rules are subject to interpretation.
YEA, but when is the ref NOT going to call dez?? 😂
I accidentally followed the rules in middle school then🔥
Every ref in America is calling a travel lmaooo
The clip that showed Kyrie he only took 2 steps but when he showed us he took 3
Exactly
Should rename this video to "How to get knocked out at your local YMCA or 24 hour fitness"
BasedEnigma I never said to do this. I’m only clarifying the rules
You should do a video of James Harden’s double step back
I have. His stepback is legal. The one double Stepback isn’t
Moto Life he dribbles on the first stepback then steps back again which makes it legal
@@R2bball but double stepback is literraly what toi just explain on this video
WRONG. The move you make at 1:29 is a travel. Your hand is under the ball (the dribble is now over) and your right foot is on the floor. You can not put the right foot back down on the floor legally.
Your my favourite YT guy, I live in Australia and I am in the best league in the under 14s competition 😁
where
The problem with this is that you make the 1-2 step completely useless. The very first video showed you taking about 6 steps before a layup. This means you could take six steps if you make it seem like you could dribble again. Why even bother counting the last two steps anyways if you already took four steps beforehand
travel
and if you have to put out a disclaimer to say “do not try this in a game” then that’s a travel
There’s a big difference between what is a travel and what gets called because it looks like a travel
Traveling
During a dribble the ball may be thrown into the air provided the ball touches the floor or another player before the player who threw it touches it again with his hand. There is no limit to the number of steps a player may take when the ball is not in contact with his hand.
Finally someone who knows about the 0 step and the gather. I have had sooo many arguments with my friends because of it. Also you have helped me a lot and bc I play with guys 2 yrs older than me and it's difficult to score (also I am an undersized pg) I've been able score some points.
The worst part is you just want people to go educate themselves. Which they rarely do.
Daniel Girvan I mean,,, the rules doesn’t need to be changed! I don’t like this video. And I hope y’all don’t go out and try these stuff because it’ll convince more people to do it.
If you’re struggling undersized, please don’t let this video courage you to try these moves every game! I think this will ruin the game if everyone starts bending the rules and it will get outta hand. If you wanna get good at scoring (not saying you’re not), then get faster and shiftier. Not bend the rules. There are plenty of other videos that can help you out.
Your able to score more points because you have an extra step
@@sharpies_yt the gather step or "0" step is 100% within the rules of basketball. Always has been. The emphasis now is that the refs in the NBA have clarified what its definition is. I'm personally from a FIBA country and they added the gather step to the rules in the last couple of years. If it's good enough for the biggest governing bodies in basketball it's good enough for everyone.
Jordan should've taken 6 steps then since he didn't need to put his hand under the ball to "gather". He could palm it so easily from the top.
Explained it really well, thanks coach!
13 second mark is a damn travel, sir.
Yes it is
Hmmmm i wonder if ref will listen to me if i argue with them
Try talking to them before hand
@@R2bballcan i ask how do you properly dribble in fastbreak or transition i do pocketdribble and i am always faster than the ball pleaseee answer me i am struggling
Not saying anything about the legality of this, but it’s a physical fact that if you move fast enough that ball is not going to fall down, especially when your hand isn’t directly perpendicular to the ground but partially curved underneath the ball. You could run from one half of the court to the other like this
I want to see the rule book cited with videos like these. Most of this stuff looks like a travel. Even took 4 big ass steps with some of these after carrying and saying the ball was still live. Btw the movie Kyrie did was legal and not a travel. What you did is a travel.
To the naked eye it may look like Kyrie took 3-4 steps and thus traveled. It is when the idea of the gather comes in mind that we realize it's a legal move.
So true, this guy is definitely carrying big time and claiming that the ball is live...he's a flake and only shitty players who are looking to cheat will try this shit, just gotta call that carry as soon as you see it and that should put a stop to it...
If I use these moves at the rec center or at my gym will get 100% calls for traveling and then the debate if it is a traveling or not will heat up and I will never finish the game. Hahahha.
I am 34 yrs old. I never done this because i assumed it was a travel. Now, that you took your time explaining this to me, I thank you. All these yrs Ive been balling and I felt limited with attacking the basket. Now I understand. Thank you so much for the 3rd eye opener bro.
I agree with everything you're saying in the video, however @2:01 your hand goes underneath the ball, establishing a cease in dribbling, followed by both feet contacting the floor, then 3+ steps. definitely a carry/travel.
he is not touching the ball tho, its spinning. he gathers the ball, ball stops spinning.
Too bad you're smarter than the refs.... I'll never get away with any of this
Local pickups have better officiating than the NBA.
You can only do this when playing with a referee who truly understand and read the updated fiba and nba rules
Zuk Fea True bro.
Except for one thing, he is carrying
Bro you're palming the ball in almost every shot, that's definitely a travel
Watch me do this at my park and everyone yell TRAVELLLLL!!!!! Shut up man do some research!
park isn’t organized basketball
Finally a video on this. I’ve never played actual organized basketball so this helped me. Thanks Ryan!
The dribble step step step step step will be called carrying the ball
So that’s not a
Travel 😂😂 your right
😂😂😂😂😂at 14 seconds…not a travel? My lord 🙈🙈🙈
Dude, at 1:36 the ball came to rest in your hand while shuffling 6 steps. When you have fingers beneath the top half of the ball, it is said to have come to rest and that’s a travel.
This dude is traveling
This all changed when Allen Iverson came into the league.
This all the knowledge I needed to be lethal
you still kinda only do one step after the gather step. shouldnt it be two?
as in
1) hang dribble: as many steps as you wish
2) gather step :dribble ends
3) two steps left (you should be jumping of your pivot foot)
what am I not understanding?
Watchin it again i see another travel move
Dr. Naismith spinning in his grave
So many people need to see this
The most misunderstood thing in basketball here, especially for people who don’t play
This is completely legal....IN THE NBA ONLY!!!!! There is no ZERO step in College or High School BB. The dribble ends when the ball is in both hands or when the one hand on the ball goes below the equator of the ball. In this position the foot that is on the floor or first foot to touch the floor is the pivot foot. If the dribbling hand goes below the equator of the ball when dribbling, then dribbler continues dribble, then this is a CARRY violation. Also, if the player starts to gather the ball without first going below the equator of the ball, then officials will consider this an end to the dribble as well.
They watch too much James Harden and Steph Curry. I got kids complaining to me in high school because I call their James Harden stepback a travel... In the NBA, it might not be... In college/high school, it's an easy call.
The greatest concern is whether any part of your hand is legal to place under mid sphere of the ball, that will solve alot of travelling problems.
THIS IS A GAME CHANGER THANK YOU SO MUCH I HAVE.
I ain't trying
this on my friends at the court🤣
La Fitness finna call all these a travel no point of even doing these moves
Naylor Harrison agreed. Please read pinned comment
Perfect troll video.
While you're technically correct the moves you displayed would be called travels in a game despite being legal according the rules. Also you would get run out of every pick up gym getting into nonstop fights.
Yeah I ain't listening to a guy in his basement court
2:54 Nice how Kyrie made two steps while you made three. He literally picked up the ball while stepping. That's totally fine. You picked it up first, then made three steps: Illegal, imho.
I'm just glad, we don't have that rule in Europe.
I took a few watches, but I got it now. Thanks from Texas!
No, that’s traveling.
Exodus 20:7 “Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.”
Millions of fans are more than enough to indicate that traveling is not called often enough. It's an industry joke.
The refs still gonna call it a travel 😂
Lucid Swavy this is true I’m simply explaining the rule
Even if harden does those. They'll all be travel frfr lol
I hope whatever league you play in or whatever league the players you train play in get called for a travel for 90% of this trash
Refs in our region will always call that a travel. Cuz they don’t know about gather steps smh
0:11 is deff a travel,I don’t care what anyone says
nobody cares what u say, ur a random on youtube that thinks he knows better than a ref