2 things to note - FFG doesn’t own AMG - I think there might be some confusion there. They are 2 separate companies both under asmodeee. 2nd - I’ll agree that AMG likely didn’t want this to happen, at least not now - because they did still have things like the gunboats in the queue and a rumored points update in the queue for Armada - this was clearly a directive from Asmodee, and likely a result of the Embracer group fiasco - but they never really had the resources to do proper development for these games. I think the best case would be for a studio like FFG, Renegade, or wizkids (who currently have former x-wing/Armada devs on staff) to take the reins with some familiar expertise.
You are far too kind to AMG. They were, at best, indifferent caretakers who did the minimum and made changes no one wanted with 2.5 seemingly as an FU to the community. The community is terrific so the game will continue! On that, we agree. Thanks for posting this.
Just to restate it, this was my breakdown of how AMG has behaved as a business so far: th-cam.com/video/wRCX0TrFLMo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gVjsLV01m3l72veI - I still stand by almost all of what I said, with the exception of the big releases coming out. I still honestly think that AMG had a ton of development on deck, but wasn't able to get past some combination of production hurdles, red tape, and/or corporate obstacles from multiple levels up the chain.
Or Asmodee is the one that canceled X-wing but made AMG tell everyone. Why do an interview then unlist all your product 2 days later then 2 weeks cancel X-wing. I wonder when the final decision was really made and who knew when the interview was done.
I might be off here, but I believe that 2.0 was providing the stakeholders with good money and players played the game in big numbers. After takeover by AMG and introduction new rules, playerbase dropped to 50% and never got bigger numbers. My look is the game has been slowly dying also thanks to AMG's design team.
It's hard to know without the actual sales numbers, but I believe the jump from 1.0 to 2.0 was cataclysmic. That knocked out almost all casual players and a good number of older players. 2.0 made some strong rules revisions, and won a good number of players back, but never held a candle to 1.0 in terms of raw sales, and really screwed retailers because they were stuck with mountains of 1.0 boxes they couldn't sell for years. Then... COVID hit, and basically torpedoed the whole thing. So we had two major dings before AMG took over. Still, AMG was on a path to making the game appealing for new players AND retailers in ways 2.0 never did - but then died in the crib. No new ships and not enough points couldn't last forever, and whether we believe it's straight production costs that never worked out or not, without new stuff it was only a matter of time.
No judgement there - I've been fortunate to have a play group that's moved with editions with me, but I can definitely see scenarios where I would have stuck with 1.0
😂 ‘nothing is over, nothing!!!’ J.J. Rambo I’m sure ‘we’ will survive. Terribly sad AMG wasn’t up to the task, Shatterpoint, Legion, and MCP are just too important!
Thank you for this video, your channel overall and your measured, positive, hopeful views for X-Wing. "I've been in this fight since 2012", I will keep my (way-too-complete) collection and keep playing/flying.
Thank you! It's probably no surprise, but I have a lot of faith in the community at large, and there are already groups getting together to figure out what's next after the official "farewell tour" I'll still be here :D holler if there's anything you want to see!
It’s a sad day and I stayed with 1st edition and will keep those ships and ability to play it going. I have to say though I believe AMG didn’t care for x wing or armada. No new product and no news , leads to a dead game , then they shut it down because it wouldn’t sell. Always going to be awful people and threatening death over a game is beyond stupid but this is the world we have now. People don’t talk correctly to each other and are awful to one another and it’s not just a Star Wars thing or even a game thing it’s a people are too free to be a holes to each other thing.
It's all still fun, no matter the edition. And the cards and models are satisfying by themselves! I don't believe they didn't care, I just don't. Every single panel, every single product, they're a bunch of nerds that love games and Star Wars. I remember how excited they were to tease the Gunboat reprint - that's a fan-favorite that you have to be deep in the fandom to even know about, let alone get excited about. And then... It never happened. Which had to really suck for them too, regardless of the reason.
I have appreciated your optimism over the last few months and had hopes myself that better times were coming.... however, I have to now completely disagree with you about AMG as a company. Full disclosure, they did just block me on twitter after I made a couple negative comments, but I had already stated I thought that they were a horrible company before that. Their lack of communication, horrible marketing, community engagement, and lack of respect for their players has left a very bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. I have really enjoyed everything FFG has done to promote, stream, tease, and make roadmaps from their products. I was at Adepticon the last couple years, I did not enjoy Shatterpoint, I dabbled in MCP for a bit but not sure how long the life of that game has left selling the same heroes over and over... I thought about going big into Legion, but will not support this company any longer. If you have not tried it already, Star Wars Unlimited is really fun with a bright future for the foreseeable future. There was so many other options AMG could have done instead of the way they handled this and continue to operate.
I can't fault you for disagreeing with me on that, not in the least. One of my biggest frustrations with the announcement is it's *still* the Black Box it's been for years, to where we still have no idea at all what really was/wasn't developed or planned. It's up to every individual to insert whatever they believe, which sets up a landslide of more negative opinions than necessary. I have played MCP, some Shatterpoint, and a good bit of Legion. Legion is the most "my style," coming from 40k, but outside of X-wing the games I enjoyed most were the Shatterpoint ones. I still like the design of the game - but of course get that that's not everyone's experience. I also fully agree, the move to cancel development with so much left up in the air doesn't make sense on the face of it. I expect there's more there that's going to come out after AMG's run is complete.
@@casualdadgamesthe ‘king’ is trying to impose a ‘stamp’ act 😂 AMG lost 2 years ago trying to sell us painting tips & old Jedi mind trick with obfuscated nonsense. Lazy developers. Threw it all away…homebrew will thrive, 3D printers and community of innovative gamers just put the nail in THEYRE coffin! Sadly, AMG could zombie lord ANY variation or rendition created by the community…keep it secret keep it safe and ESPECIALLY keep it real, something AMG hasn’t learned, or to do their homework for that matter…
I think your third option is the hardest ,as to revisit X-Wing at a later time will not work. This is because most people are going to dump all their ships and walk away, why is beyond me, but mostly true. I will be playing indefinity and will keep all my ships. I still think with the last actual ships we got was in 2022 and when the plastic ships stopped, thats when a new sustainable game started development and thats why we have not gotten new ships. When SW Destiny was cancelled we learned that they were already working on SW Unlimited which took 3 years to get to the table. Perhaps we are in this silent production lull and in a year or so we will get a big Gencon style announcement of a reimagined new space game. There has never NOT been a SW space game and not having hurts the SW gaming IP imo. Space combat is a core part of the SW story and needs something like it on a tabletop. Hope is all we have. Thx for your positive content.
I'M SO SAD😭 X-Wing is literally my favorite board why did FFG had to sell it i don't understand... Guess it's time to buy literally every single expansion :( Long live X-Wing!
The Internet as a whole has grown increasingly more toxic over the years and I can definitely point to a specific political demographic as to part of the reason why. Star Wars online especially has grown vitriolic, so I understand AMG's stance to protect its staff. I firmly believe they did their best with the resources they had available. I've seen the team in person and their passion was undeniable. While angry people online certainly haven't helped, I can only surmise that Pandemic + Asmodee business realities/choices = Death of X-Wing/Armada. I'm very frustrated by this cos I was finally going to make the jump to Clone Wars factions in X-Wing but with my own money issues right now I don't know how much I'll be able to get in the UK before it's all gone. I hope one day, X-Wing is able to make a return, that it doesn't stay dead forever when there was so much potential for the game to be balanced, for Epic ships to be updated and the game to hit its stride. I speculate we'll only learn of its possible continuation after this Asmodee farewell tour.
Well, there is some silver lining there in that we should see a ton of X-wing stuff up for resale ;) I've been holding out for a VCX and Saw's Renegades for ages, it may finally be time to grab them for posterity
@@casualdadgames game has been a total blast for sure, I’ve lost nearly every time I’ve put models on the table lol, I think trying to force battle meditation to work in 2.5 has been a mistake
@@casualdadgamesmy opponents all fly resistance/first order aces while my republic/sep lists are all initiative 3 lol, (they’re all 4-5) it’s been a wild “I love first but you shoot first” last 6 games
Credit where due, that apology to crabs was fair. I still don't know why anyone still follows your content when after all the times it's been explained by so many others that FFG does not own AMG, and had no part in this decision. That was just so weird to see anyone in content creation make that false claim so convinced of themselves who should really know better. 🙄🤦
You're not wrong - I should absolutely have known that. I'll make more of an effort to check myself in future, and I always appreciate getting called out when I make a mistake!
It ain't over 'till the last player is dead! ...Or something less extreme that gets the point across that this announcement hardly means the game is actually dead.
AMG's communication was NEVER good. it was painfully obvious they were in over their heads all along and this was always dead once they took the reigns. you've been an AMG apologist all along, time to finally your head out mate. as you said, everyone is successful selling SW except AMG somehow.
"Good," maybe not. It's always been messy, a little weird, and I had a hell of a time literally finding it until the Discord and official website. But enthusiastic, frequent, and open? That it was, for a brief shining bit right in the beginning. When they were doing rules revisions and talking game design philosophy, we heard from them a lot, and it was great, and that's a period of their stewardship we do all seem to forget - since more recently it has been dramatically worse. AMG seems to sell Legion and, at least at first, Shatterpoint, just fine ;)
2 things to note - FFG doesn’t own AMG - I think there might be some confusion there. They are 2 separate companies both under asmodeee.
2nd - I’ll agree that AMG likely didn’t want this to happen, at least not now - because they did still have things like the gunboats in the queue and a rumored points update in the queue for Armada - this was clearly a directive from Asmodee, and likely a result of the Embracer group fiasco - but they never really had the resources to do proper development for these games. I think the best case would be for a studio like FFG, Renegade, or wizkids (who currently have former x-wing/Armada devs on staff) to take the reins with some familiar expertise.
Thank you for the clarification, I was confused about that and thought FFG was a step above AMG all along!
@@casualdadgamesyep. You are not "confused". Just don't know shit about you talk. Making a video without pre research, just to talk shit
I agree that the best future for this game would be in the hands of another company like WizKids.
You are far too kind to AMG. They were, at best, indifferent caretakers who did the minimum and made changes no one wanted with 2.5 seemingly as an FU to the community. The community is terrific so the game will continue! On that, we agree. Thanks for posting this.
It’s dead Jim. (Just ordered 2.0 updates, long live X-Wing!)
Just to restate it, this was my breakdown of how AMG has behaved as a business so far: th-cam.com/video/wRCX0TrFLMo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gVjsLV01m3l72veI - I still stand by almost all of what I said, with the exception of the big releases coming out. I still honestly think that AMG had a ton of development on deck, but wasn't able to get past some combination of production hurdles, red tape, and/or corporate obstacles from multiple levels up the chain.
Or Asmodee is the one that canceled X-wing but made AMG tell everyone. Why do an interview then unlist all your product 2 days later then 2 weeks cancel X-wing. I wonder when the final decision was really made and who knew when the interview was done.
@@crastestpixles5972 maybe it's all denial, but I can't believe Will did that interview knowing X-wing was dead.
I might be off here, but I believe that 2.0 was providing the stakeholders with good money and players played the game in big numbers.
After takeover by AMG and introduction new rules, playerbase dropped to 50% and never got bigger numbers.
My look is the game has been slowly dying also thanks to AMG's design team.
It's hard to know without the actual sales numbers, but I believe the jump from 1.0 to 2.0 was cataclysmic. That knocked out almost all casual players and a good number of older players. 2.0 made some strong rules revisions, and won a good number of players back, but never held a candle to 1.0 in terms of raw sales, and really screwed retailers because they were stuck with mountains of 1.0 boxes they couldn't sell for years.
Then... COVID hit, and basically torpedoed the whole thing. So we had two major dings before AMG took over.
Still, AMG was on a path to making the game appealing for new players AND retailers in ways 2.0 never did - but then died in the crib. No new ships and not enough points couldn't last forever, and whether we believe it's straight production costs that never worked out or not, without new stuff it was only a matter of time.
Great video. Love the x-wing community and glad it's still thriving. Am a 1.0 player and don't plan to change. Have fun guys. 👍
No judgement there - I've been fortunate to have a play group that's moved with editions with me, but I can definitely see scenarios where I would have stuck with 1.0
😂 ‘nothing is over, nothing!!!’
J.J. Rambo
I’m sure ‘we’ will survive. Terribly sad AMG wasn’t up to the task, Shatterpoint, Legion, and MCP are just too important!
Thank you for this video, your channel overall and your measured, positive, hopeful views for X-Wing. "I've been in this fight since 2012", I will keep my (way-too-complete) collection and keep playing/flying.
"Way-too-complete" ha! Same team!
Thank you for the kind words, happy to be in the same circles as you!
You got a great channel here I hope your one of the voices keeping X-wing going after the AMG anouncment.
Thank you!
It's probably no surprise, but I have a lot of faith in the community at large, and there are already groups getting together to figure out what's next after the official "farewell tour"
I'll still be here :D holler if there's anything you want to see!
It’s a sad day and I stayed with 1st edition and will keep those ships and ability to play it going.
I have to say though I believe AMG didn’t care for x wing or armada. No new product and no news , leads to a dead game , then they shut it down because it wouldn’t sell.
Always going to be awful people and threatening death over a game is beyond stupid but this is the world we have now. People don’t talk correctly to each other and are awful to one another and it’s not just a Star Wars thing or even a game thing it’s a people are too free to be a holes to each other thing.
It's all still fun, no matter the edition. And the cards and models are satisfying by themselves!
I don't believe they didn't care, I just don't. Every single panel, every single product, they're a bunch of nerds that love games and Star Wars. I remember how excited they were to tease the Gunboat reprint - that's a fan-favorite that you have to be deep in the fandom to even know about, let alone get excited about.
And then... It never happened. Which had to really suck for them too, regardless of the reason.
I have appreciated your optimism over the last few months and had hopes myself that better times were coming.... however, I have to now completely disagree with you about AMG as a company. Full disclosure, they did just block me on twitter after I made a couple negative comments, but I had already stated I thought that they were a horrible company before that. Their lack of communication, horrible marketing, community engagement, and lack of respect for their players has left a very bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. I have really enjoyed everything FFG has done to promote, stream, tease, and make roadmaps from their products. I was at Adepticon the last couple years, I did not enjoy Shatterpoint, I dabbled in MCP for a bit but not sure how long the life of that game has left selling the same heroes over and over... I thought about going big into Legion, but will not support this company any longer. If you have not tried it already, Star Wars Unlimited is really fun with a bright future for the foreseeable future. There was so many other options AMG could have done instead of the way they handled this and continue to operate.
I can't fault you for disagreeing with me on that, not in the least. One of my biggest frustrations with the announcement is it's *still* the Black Box it's been for years, to where we still have no idea at all what really was/wasn't developed or planned. It's up to every individual to insert whatever they believe, which sets up a landslide of more negative opinions than necessary.
I have played MCP, some Shatterpoint, and a good bit of Legion. Legion is the most "my style," coming from 40k, but outside of X-wing the games I enjoyed most were the Shatterpoint ones. I still like the design of the game - but of course get that that's not everyone's experience.
I also fully agree, the move to cancel development with so much left up in the air doesn't make sense on the face of it. I expect there's more there that's going to come out after AMG's run is complete.
I feel free.
I'm not sure I do - yet
@@casualdadgamesthe ‘king’ is trying to impose a ‘stamp’ act 😂 AMG lost 2 years ago trying to sell us painting tips & old Jedi mind trick with obfuscated nonsense. Lazy developers. Threw it all away…homebrew will thrive, 3D printers and community of innovative gamers just put the nail in THEYRE coffin!
Sadly, AMG could zombie lord ANY variation or rendition created by the community…keep it secret keep it safe and ESPECIALLY keep it real, something AMG hasn’t learned, or to do their homework for that matter…
I think your third option is the hardest ,as to revisit X-Wing at a later time will not work. This is because most people are going to dump all their ships and walk away, why is beyond me, but mostly true. I will be playing indefinity and will keep all my ships. I still think with the last actual ships we got was in 2022 and when the plastic ships stopped, thats when a new sustainable game started development and thats why we have not gotten new ships. When SW Destiny was cancelled we learned that they were already working on SW Unlimited which took 3 years to get to the table. Perhaps we are in this silent production lull and in a year or so we will get a big Gencon style announcement of a reimagined new space game. There has never NOT been a SW space game and not having hurts the SW gaming IP imo. Space combat is a core part of the SW story and needs something like it on a tabletop. Hope is all we have. Thx for your positive content.
I'M SO SAD😭 X-Wing is literally my favorite board why did FFG had to sell it i don't understand... Guess it's time to buy literally every single expansion :(
Long live X-Wing!
FFG didn't sell it. Asmodee the parent company of FFG and AMG pulled their license to their minis games during a restructuring.
The Internet as a whole has grown increasingly more toxic over the years and I can definitely point to a specific political demographic as to part of the reason why. Star Wars online especially has grown vitriolic, so I understand AMG's stance to protect its staff. I firmly believe they did their best with the resources they had available. I've seen the team in person and their passion was undeniable. While angry people online certainly haven't helped, I can only surmise that Pandemic + Asmodee business realities/choices = Death of X-Wing/Armada.
I'm very frustrated by this cos I was finally going to make the jump to Clone Wars factions in X-Wing but with my own money issues right now I don't know how much I'll be able to get in the UK before it's all gone.
I hope one day, X-Wing is able to make a return, that it doesn't stay dead forever when there was so much potential for the game to be balanced, for Epic ships to be updated and the game to hit its stride. I speculate we'll only learn of its possible continuation after this Asmodee farewell tour.
Well, there is some silver lining there in that we should see a ton of X-wing stuff up for resale ;)
I've been holding out for a VCX and Saw's Renegades for ages, it may finally be time to grab them for posterity
I went HARD into x-wing and armada these last 3 weeks 😂
May they be the first three weeks of many more!
@@casualdadgames game has been a total blast for sure, I’ve lost nearly every time I’ve put models on the table lol, I think trying to force battle meditation to work in 2.5 has been a mistake
@@NinjatoBlade oh god, yes, I could have told you that. It's like flying Yoda ETA at all ;)
But, no better way to learn than trying it XD
@@casualdadgamesmy opponents all fly resistance/first order aces while my republic/sep lists are all initiative 3 lol, (they’re all 4-5) it’s been a wild “I love first but you shoot first” last 6 games
@@NinjatoBlade great time to practice your blocking! But maybe not with expensive Jedi
The toxic Armada community on Facebook that often times in my opinion said many vile things made me leave the FB community all together...
Credit where due, that apology to crabs was fair. I still don't know why anyone still follows your content when after all the times it's been explained by so many others that FFG does not own AMG, and had no part in this decision. That was just so weird to see anyone in content creation make that false claim so convinced of themselves who should really know better. 🙄🤦
You're not wrong - I should absolutely have known that. I'll make more of an effort to check myself in future, and I always appreciate getting called out when I make a mistake!
well... oh well, i guess
It ain't over 'till the last player is dead!
...Or something less extreme that gets the point across that this announcement hardly means the game is actually dead.
@@casualdadgames True, I was just really hoping for a Scum starter kit as my entry point.
@@caleb.pepper geez, me too. Maybe in a next life? (As in, whatever form X-wing takes from here)
AMG's communication was NEVER good. it was painfully obvious they were in over their heads all along and this was always dead once they took the reigns. you've been an AMG apologist all along, time to finally your head out mate. as you said, everyone is successful selling SW except AMG somehow.
"Good," maybe not. It's always been messy, a little weird, and I had a hell of a time literally finding it until the Discord and official website.
But enthusiastic, frequent, and open? That it was, for a brief shining bit right in the beginning. When they were doing rules revisions and talking game design philosophy, we heard from them a lot, and it was great, and that's a period of their stewardship we do all seem to forget - since more recently it has been dramatically worse.
AMG seems to sell Legion and, at least at first, Shatterpoint, just fine ;)
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