The 2021 NBA Draft Class Is Getting WEIRD... featuring Jalen Green, Alperen Sengun, Evan Mobley, Cade Cunningham, and more! #nba #nbadraft #2021nbadraft
@@baseballaddict1997 streaky at best I’ll agree but still think he’s better than “horrible”, but regardless he admitted later in the video (and in the Magic deep dive on his other channel) that all Paolo and Franz need around them is catch and shoot players because they both are the primary ball handlers.
@@ratpoison3583orlando is playing for a playoff spot and he’s been amazing for a 5th overall pick with lots of room to improve in the future. not every lottery pick has to average 20+ ppg to be considered a good selection. suggs has contributed so much to winning basketball
This is aging poorly already literally Jalen Green is leading the rockets into a possible play in scenario and he’s playing the best he’s ever played in his career
@@EliPomovyevI’m a fan of Jalen, but you are right. He has been inconsistent and have had stretches before where he shows he can be an elite player then just drop off. Maybe this hot stretch he’s on right now hopefully is the start of him playing more consistently this way. April down the stretch against better teams will be a better indication
@@EliPomovyevnaw in the last 2 months he has had great games against the Kings, Clippers, the Suns twice, Nuggets and Bulls. It’s not the competition it’s learning how to play efficiently and consistently on both sides of the ball with confidence. Looks like he has figured it out and hopefully it continues
feel like Sengun is slept on in this video absolute steal of a pick is a clear top 3 pick for me in a redraft like Wagner and ¨barnes would be, got a very high sealing and a very interesting European player that will likely make some waves in the coming year as the number 1 option for the rockets.
Yeah you’re wrong on Suggs . Smart’s career high in 3pt% is 36.4 and he only came close to that once in his 9 years. Suggs is shooting 40% from 3 this season. He’s an elite 3/D player with potential to be so much more. I still believe he can be an all star level player. He’s also a perfect fit for the Magic.
@xoirvinn yeah man's averaging 12, 3 and 2. He's good, could even be a great role player but he's not on the level of Scottie, Cade or in the past few weeks, Green. I feel like he's in the same tier as Mobely, really good, not great or all star material.
@@thekaiser1156all the people you mentioned were drafted higher than him. Jalen WILL be an All Defensive player and maybe even a DPOY candidate at some point
@@thekaiser1156 There he is! only mentioning offensive stats again! Defense don't matter to you I bet, huh? You'd probably cry for 1's if you even had the balls to show up on a street court lmao
Mobley hasn’t done anything besides get spoon fed on offence and been good on defence. I see Şengün and Scottie having the highest upside in the 2021 draft.
@@tj5180 they are wrong though. Saying he's getting spoon fed while purposefully looking over the fact that his jumpshot has improved and so has his playmaking is just being obtuse. I don't like the cavs but I can't deny mobley's talent.
If OKC kept sengun than I doubt Jalen Williams and Chet would be with them now. I think they’re perfectly fine with how that went. Sengun is definitely the rockets Franchise guy
Nah they could’ve had Chet and Sengun and alteast tried to make it work. If not, you stagger their minutes and move Sengun later. Jalen Williams isn’t an issue, you just move him to SF. They didn’t even get anything for Sengun IIRC. They got two conditional picks that did not convey.
I’d say Sengun and Chet can easily play together. So much skill, so much versatility between the two. He could replace giddy and you’d not miss a thing.
@@nono-qe2yqThere's no way they would have gotten Chet without first passing on Sengun. The only reason the Thunder were able to tank so effectively for Chet was that they had no inside presence. I think Sengun on the roster would have bumped them down a few slots further in the draft and maybe, MAYBE, they could have traded up to get Chet, but I'm sure they would have faced the uphill battle of getting a fair trade with someone in the top 2-3 slots to get him. And that's after they failed to get Mobley in the first place. Presti definitely had his eye on an top-tier big or nothing and Sengun was too much of a wildcard.
@@nono-qe2yq Basically they got Jalen Williams for Senguin, as the 2 picks they got from Houston were sent to the Knicks in the Williams deal, as well as the 2023 27th pick in the draft nick Smith. I think OKC would still take JDub over Senguin
Scottie is still very raw and already impacting the game more overall than the top 3 players. He’s easily number 1 in a redraft followed by Sengun and was the first player in the draft class named to the All Star game. He was also rookie of the year, I don’t see how this is even close.
Granted Scottie Barnes was the best in year one and probably year two, but he’s looking like he came into the league as a finished product. He’s a good player, but I don’t think he’s the type of player that will improve much more than what he currently is. Meanwhile there are players that are starting to shine bright in year three that make you question what you just saw because they are exceptionally in another stratospheric talent pool. Currently Green is showing a superstar spark, while playing every level of the game, such as defense, rebounding, spacing, hustle, and scoring.
@@V1NL0no offense but saying scottie probably won't improve much more is not going to age well. If you're going by counting stats, sure he's not a scorer and could see a career high of something like 23 ppg maybe. But everything else could easily go up. Rebounds, assists, blocks and steals are all stats we could see him bump up, potentially in the double digits for rebounds. He's already begun to flirt with a triple double in most games. Most importantly, he'll improve as a team leader, which is something he hasn't had a chance to fully jump into yet. He's going to be at his best when he's able to command the floor and control passing lanes, especially if the Raptors get a man on man defender who can pull that responsibility away from him, allowing to Scottie to shine as a help defender (where he's proven to be most effective up to this point).
@@TheFireNeox I like Scottie Barnes’s game, he’s a well deserved all star. And he will make several more all star appearances with his level of talent. I’m saying that he came into the league very polished and near his playing abilities. He’s ahead of the curve in that he needs to tweak certain aspects to differentiate himself from his contemporaries. Anyway you dice it, getting an all-star in the draft is a huge win. But I think he will be a nice complementary player to a superstar, which Toronto has yet to acquire. The team hasn’t been winning much are in line to have. Though they have Good chance of winning the lottery since they aren’t winning much this season.
@@tj5180 not hating by any means. Barnes is a well deserved allstar, so far he’s the only allstar from the draft class of 2021. But I think Toronto desperately needs to find their franchise scorer, because they are going to need one. With their record, Toronto is vying for another top player in the draft.
Green and Sengun are gonna make noise just give it a bit. Even with Sengun gone they’re like 10-1 with 9 wins in a row. Jalen has really stepped up. Depending on how the warriors play the rockets might actually make the play in.
I don’t really agree with the Mobley-JJJ take. Triple J has the offensive skill-though he’s pretty inconsistent-but is an objectively poor rebounder for his size. Mobley is a much better rebounder, particularly given his lack of bulk, but hasn’t developed nearly as much offensively. All this to say, Mobley is a less impactful 4 than JJJ, but Mobley could easily develop into a more impactful 5.
Giddey is shooting 42% from 3 and 17.5 pts his last 10. Shocker a 21 year old dealing with a possible criminal investigation, had a rough start of the year. He's not going anywhere.
What are your thoughts of Zach Edey as a prospect? An old-school 5 who would be a lock for the top 5 15-20 years ago, but a bit much less valued in today's game. Do you see a fringe-lottery maybe 13-20 range for him or does he slide further than that?
I saw ur comment and did some digging this is only after a quick look I had into him. He's got good hands and shoots well from the ft line with a decent looking form. (These traits are generally decent predictors for who develops a shooting touch). I could see there being a chance he develops into a very good starting big and maybe more. Ideally he would end up on a team like the jazz, sixers, Memphis or the raptors?
kings drafting an older player in davion mitchell is a huge L. Undersize and not much offensive potential. Kings cant do anything right. They were lucky trading for sabonis helped them; however, they traded away Haliburton. Then they got lucky in signing free agents malik monk and kevin huerter. They did do a solid job in drafting keegan murray. Overall, the kings front office and talent evaluation is still bad.
How tf were they “lucky” for trading for sabonis and getting monk, huerter ? Drafting Davion was controversial but they’ve done a solid job like also bringing in Mike brown as well. U can’t say they were lucky for doing good moves compare to the old front office in Sacramento
Giddey would work well I imagine as he is being limited massively due to SGA's ball dominance and lack of passing compared to Jokic, Doncic or other high usage players, when he's the ball handler instead of camped in the corner opponents can't disrespect his 3 ball as much, and while he is still working on throwing lobs which he seems to struggle with, he'd probably be a good fit in San Antonio however I imagine San Antonio are more likely to draft a point guard in the lottery of one of the next two drafts
@@callumsmith5819 Yeah he is in the worst possible place for his skill. I have no doubt his shot will improve. It got better this year, and then he lost all confidence again. But having a Josh Giddey, and then playing him as Isiah Joe is just a ridiculous waste of what he can do, and putting him in the worst possible situation to succeed.
I don't think this class can be fully evaluated at the end of the year. Like you said, there is a LOT of uncertainty about where the top picks will settle at in terms of their careers. Cade is injury prone and inconsistent, Green is inconsistent, Mobley is fine, an elite role player, but just that, a role player. You can argue Scottie and Sengun are the best players from this class, but I don't think they've separated themselves enough from the rest of the class. I think next year will more or less definitively tell us what is up with this class.
I really appreciate the statement “dropping down the hierarchy” . He 100 % can still play. and that absolutely giddey needs to ask for a trade if okc don’t move him . Brilliant assessment mate
It seems like a ton of guys at the top of this draft class have offensive limitations. It feels like the limitations were possibly made by the AAU experience. The fundamentals aren't being taught in AAU and it's starting to show in the NBA.
ehhh idk. The biggest offensive limitation that Cade has is that he isn’t that athletic. Jalen Green’s play style is fine. He just needs to be more efficient and somewhat improve as a playmaker. Mobley just needs to expand his offensive game. I don’t see what these things have to do with AAU and fundamentals.
Davion was a pick that even Kings fans knew was one of those, "Take the safest possible pick if you can't move up or down in this draft." We knew he could defend. His defensive numbers have proven that to be true. We thought he could shoot the three. He shot 45% his last year in college. We thought was growth but it was an aberration because he has shot about 32%, which is what he shot every other year in college. This (as well as Monk being an incredible 6th man ballhandler/scorer) is what has kept him off the floor. In a redraft he'd fall to the 2nd round for sure.
I think you are right, and I do think OKC will move Giddey in the offseason. That said OKC doesn't need more star power. They need guys who can play around their big 3. The 2 guys drafted later in the draft who would have fit really well are Herb Jones, and Trey Murphy. Ideally they need to find a PF who can be a connector piece, and is a big rebounder, plays defense, who can hit some 3s, but isn't a guy who needs the ball a ton on offense
Mobley is limited at playing 4 next Allen. I think he needs to be a 5 to truly grow. Cleveland will at some point have to decide if that those 2 guys playing together is gonna be apart of their future. Giddey will be moved because I believe he is extension eligible but I doubt OKC is going to extend him before they get Jalen Williams and Chet locked up first. Might as well trade him for someone who can play 30+ minutes with this group
Jose Alvarado, while not drafted, is the most underrated player in this draft class and on the Pelicans. I’m doing a write-up on him to show just how underrated he is.
as I said before, the redrafting and ranking of rookies should be done every third year in the NBA because this is when their contract ends and the team has the option to extend it or not.
Mobley definitely moved further down my redraft 1 A Scottie 1B Sengun 3. Cade 4. Franz 5. Mobley 6. Kuminga 7. Murphy 8. Jalen Johnson 9. Giddy 10. Herb Jones.
I think 3 years is not the perfect time to rate these players it is a really good draft class but I think we are yet to see the prime of these players for example the current form of jalen green who has picked up form and maybe entering his prime and maybe is Allstar calibre player in the future I think 2 years more we really can rate these guys
Cam Thomas averaged 22.5 ppg on 44.2% and 36.4% from 3 while being the 1st option for most of the season and developing his playmaking skills at the same time. He's def not a 6th man type of player anymore.
Yup. I believe the sentiment was (at least from a prominent draft analyst in his published rankings) Anthony Edwards would've went 5th at the earliest in 2021; now there's not a single player in this class you would take over him.
2020 was weak. There are no Franchise or possible all star players beside Anthony Edwards at 1, Haliburton at 12, and Lamelo at 2. And Lamelo 's stock is slipping because of always being injured, not playing defense, & having a minor effect on winning. Scottie Barnes was an all star this year. Sengun was in the running to be an all-star this year, despite a crowded & super talented West. Jalen Green has been amazing the last 5 weeks. Cade is on a bad team, & his shooting & turnovers were horrible at the beginning of the year, but he also missed a year & is playing great now. No one could get the Pelicans to trade Tre Mann and Herb Jones, Franz Wagner looks like he could be an all-star during his career. Jalen Suggs is shooting 40% from 3 this year and is an amazing defender. Kuminga often looks like the Warriors 2nd best offensive option at times, and Jalen Johnson is 17 points, 9 rebs, & 3 assists this year, and was in the running for most improved player until his injury last week meant he wouldn't hit the 65 game threshold for post season awards. And I didn't even mention Giddy who put up 30.and vs the Rockets when SGA was out this week or Evan Mobley who was 2nd in DPOY voting last year.
Still loving that my Pistons took Cade #1. Would absolutely be happy with that in a redraft. Dude is unguardable 1-on-1 and has been steadily improving his defense and assist-to-turnover ratio this year.
Are you serious? cade becoming Deangelo Russell??? cade is so much more well rounded, he can develop into a good two way player which already makes him so much more valuable, he has all the tools and has already shown stretches of being way better than dlo ever was. The question is really whether or not he can develop to a perennial all-nba player which is where his talent should take him
Jalen Suggs is the best defensive player on one of the top defensive teams in the league, majority of the Magic’s offensive is transition, and Jalen Suggs is a MASSIVE factor in how successful their offense runs
Cade- very frail but looks great when he's healthy. I still believe in him. Jalen- very inefficient but always turns it up post all-star break. Houston needs to trade for someone to back him up imo. Or just trade him as they have too many wings and guards. Mobley- I thought he was gonna be a bust and thought he might have the highest ceiling in the whole draft but so far he hasn't done much offensively but is a beast on defense. Might actually be better than JJJ because he doesn't get on foul trouble every other day. Injuries are a bit concerning though. Scottie- a star in the making. Already better than Jalen Brown IMO Suggs- slightly worse version of Jrue Holiday. Shoots better though. Too many guards on that team. Trade someone. Giddey- not necessarily a bust but he lost his place in OKC. Needs to get traded soon to a team where he can be the primary ball handler off the bench or as a starter. Kuminga- his dunks reminds me alot of LeBron. Pretty below average defensively as opposed to what his fans think. Keeps improving every year. Might turn to a perennial all-star. Wagner- I never expected him to be this good. Compliments Paolo's skillset very well. Will be a great trade asset if Orlando goes all in. Davion- okay-ish rookie year. Has done nothing ever since. Injury prone. Drafted for his defense but can't guard bigger guards/wings well. Zhaire- so inconsistent. There are flashes of being good then next thing you see he does a boneheaded play. 2nd most bust looking guy in the lottery. Bouknight- done absolutely nothing. Most bust looking guy in the lottery Primo- Has shown flashes and improvement but actually a sex offender. Got dropped by San Antonio. Still hanging in the league Duarte- great rookie year. Has done nothing ever since. Moses- idk what are warriors plans with this guy but he plays well every time he's playing his very limited minutes. His hairline already receding. Kispert- suffering in NBA gulag. Alperen- slightly overrated right now but might actually turn to a superstar. If he can improve his rebounding he could be a better version of Sabonis who's very underrated IMO. Thomas- drops 40s from out of nowhere then scores 10 points in 25 attempts. Ayo- cardio master Herb and Murphy- Pelicans won big time drafting this people. They're starting level players but not really all-star caliber imo. But getting players like them down the draft is a huge W.
i am Rockets fan and Alperen's rebounding really underrated. his impact in rebounding bigger than his 9.3 rpg. i watch Rockets games and he tipping a few rebounds to his teammates every game. he boxing out a lot also. his 3 offensive rpg show he is a good rebounder. he just doesnt ''hustle'' for defensive rebounds. also Rockets better rebounder than Kings as a team. Rockets' problem is not rebounding but 3p shoting. Alperen's way to super stardom in hitting his shots also
@@paultizzard2864 I mean, I think we are talking ABT different things. I will concede he has not had a significant jump in counting stars tho. It sounds like you and I have different definitions of growth. Sure he hasn't had a huge increase in per game stats. But his had a constant usage rate these last three years and has minorly increased scoring volume. Mostly by way of becoming a more efficient player. Imo this has mostly been by him improving his decision making. Taking less bad shots, making less bad passes. Given that he is playing out of his position and is sharing the court with 3 all star (or borderline all star talents) the incremental improvements he has made have been excellent.
@@strawhatsgear5th I never said he had superstar potential? All I was saying is that he has improved since his rookie year. I am not even a Mobley fan I just strongly disagreed with the point that the original comment asserted. He will be a seriously good defender, he will be a pretty good offensive piece granted he stays on the court. I do not think he will be a superstar but I will be happy to be wrong.
The thing about giddy is this... He benefited from a local state law that overrode a federal crime he committed...😂 If he is moved there are very limited places he could go where he probably wouldn't be immediately charged😂 that really shows just how much of a gray area he was walking in
Cade can easily be all-NBA. He's got all the tools, the only thing he's missing is the motivation and that mamba mentality. Ivey in my opinion has more desire to win than basically anyone on the team. He also needs to figure out when and when not to turn it on. It seems like the first half he always just tries to facilitate and then the second half he tries, but if he's not shooting good when that time comes, it just kills any run the Pistons make.
its hard to have motivation and mamba mentality on the Detroit pistons, but tbf I agree that cade lacks the kinda killer instinct and the ability to take over games that all nba guards have. That being said he can still certainly develop it, especially on at least a semi-competent team.
@@Parsa-je1vd It's kind of a vicious circle too. Like he can't be motivated because the team is bad, but he needs to lead and motivate his team in order for them to not suck.
As a Pistons fan I’d still take Cade #1 bc the potential is there and you see it in 3-5 consecutive games stretches. He just needs HELP and to say healthy. It’s a toss up on who won the 21 class between Rockets and Orlando. Seg is an all star. Green could be also if the defense and effort is there. Franz is an all star. Suggs is a 1st or 2nd team all NBA going forward and if that 3pt % goes up then he’s a GUY.
This was a deep draft, full of very good ball players, but probably not a single superstar. And I'm a Detroit fan, love Cade, I'm still happy he was the nr 1 pick. But if there was a redraft... I have no idea what would I do, even having these three years of tape for all of those guys. Well, definitely not Jalen Green 🙃
How are you gonna skip right over one of the best backup Bigs in Dayron Sharpe #29 The Nets got decent players late in the draft #27 & #29. As long as The Nets refuse to "rebuild" Cam will have a spot there because no star is coming to save us. Since The ASB he has increased his playmaking, I expect a bigger leap from him next season.
Sengun gets an A+ because he was 16th pick. Switch Jalen and Alp and he would be a C at best because of his full 3 years has been just ok. He had 2 months of good play and its only praise. Go figure
no he was good since his first summer league game. the guy was top 3 in bets for ROTY after summer league. he just underutilized by the Rockets for tanking purpose.
Bro.... Don't talk about a player or a team if you don't watch them. Also 3years isnt nearly enough for a young player to show his full potential , especially if he ended up on a bad team
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“Jalen Suggs makes some occasional 3’s” shooting 40% on 5 shots a game.
Also taking more shots and higher FG % than Kispert “who can shoot but it’s the wizards”
Suggs is the next holiday/ Caruso and that's one hell of a player
And people rave about Franz’ “shooting”, like he’s not shooting 29% from 3 this year And 33% for his career
On catch and shoots as a guard… he’s horrible at off dribble shots.
@@baseballaddict1997 streaky at best I’ll agree but still think he’s better than “horrible”, but regardless he admitted later in the video (and in the Magic deep dive on his other channel) that all Paolo and Franz need around them is catch and shoot players because they both are the primary ball handlers.
Jalen Suggs is nowhere near disappointment lmao
He’s averaging 12 points as the 5th pick, regardless of his contributions on defence and such, that isn’t what you expect from the 5th overall pick
@@ratpoison3583orlando is playing for a playoff spot and he’s been amazing for a 5th overall pick with lots of room to improve in the future. not every lottery pick has to average 20+ ppg to be considered a good selection. suggs has contributed so much to winning basketball
@@ratpoison3583 Orlando fans are super sensitive, don't waste your breathe
@@resident-one1533I once commented I am glad the Raptors picked Scottie Barns over Suggs and Magic fans went berserk on me lol
@@resident-one1533l guess stating facts is sensitive lmao
Scottie adding the 3 point shot to his game this year has really sky rocketed his potential.
This is aging poorly already literally Jalen Green is leading the rockets into a possible play in scenario and he’s playing the best he’s ever played in his career
Against the worst teams of the NBA and an injury ridden Cavs. April will show more definitely who he might be.
@@EliPomovyevI’m a fan of Jalen, but you are right. He has been inconsistent and have had stretches before where he shows he can be an elite player then just drop off. Maybe this hot stretch he’s on right now hopefully is the start of him playing more consistently this way. April down the stretch against better teams will be a better indication
@@oceanbronze8399 God willing, he continues like this and fullfils his promise
@@EliPomovyevnaw in the last 2 months he has had great games against the Kings, Clippers, the Suns twice, Nuggets and Bulls. It’s not the competition it’s learning how to play efficiently and consistently on both sides of the ball with confidence. Looks like he has figured it out and hopefully it continues
How the hell is this guy so out of date on Green when the video is 1 day old. Why did I waste my time on bad takes.
feel like Sengun is slept on in this video absolute steal of a pick is a clear top 3 pick for me in a redraft like Wagner and ¨barnes would be, got a very high sealing and a very interesting European player that will likely make some waves in the coming year as the number 1 option for the rockets.
At least top 5
Yeah you’re wrong on Suggs . Smart’s career high in 3pt% is 36.4 and he only came close to that once in his 9 years. Suggs is shooting 40% from 3 this season. He’s an elite 3/D player with potential to be so much more. I still believe he can be an all star level player.
He’s also a perfect fit for the Magic.
you’re going too far with “elite player” or being an all star. He’s gonna be a good role player.
@xoirvinn yeah man's averaging 12, 3 and 2. He's good, could even be a great role player but he's not on the level of Scottie, Cade or in the past few weeks, Green. I feel like he's in the same tier as Mobely, really good, not great or all star material.
@@thekaiser1156he is already one of the best role players in the league
@@thekaiser1156all the people you mentioned were drafted higher than him. Jalen WILL be an All Defensive player and maybe even a DPOY candidate at some point
@@thekaiser1156 There he is! only mentioning offensive stats again! Defense don't matter to you I bet, huh? You'd probably cry for 1's if you even had the balls to show up on a street court lmao
I think Jalen green has absolutely figured out this new level of play he has
It's almost like judging players less than 3 years in gives mixed results
Mobley hasn’t done anything besides get spoon fed on offence and been good on defence. I see Şengün and Scottie having the highest upside in the 2021 draft.
What?
@@andreamaya1689he’s not wrong
Scottie B baby
@@tj5180
He absolutely is wrong
Mobley has got significantly better with this 3pt shooting play making and scoring in general
@@tj5180 they are wrong though. Saying he's getting spoon fed while purposefully looking over the fact that his jumpshot has improved and so has his playmaking is just being obtuse. I don't like the cavs but I can't deny mobley's talent.
If OKC kept sengun than I doubt Jalen Williams and Chet would be with them now. I think they’re perfectly fine with how that went. Sengun is definitely the rockets Franchise guy
Nah they could’ve had Chet and Sengun and alteast tried to make it work. If not, you stagger their minutes and move Sengun later.
Jalen Williams isn’t an issue, you just move him to SF.
They didn’t even get anything for Sengun IIRC. They got two conditional picks that did not convey.
I’d say Sengun and Chet can easily play together. So much skill, so much versatility between the two.
He could replace giddy and you’d not miss a thing.
@@nono-qe2yqThere's no way they would have gotten Chet without first passing on Sengun. The only reason the Thunder were able to tank so effectively for Chet was that they had no inside presence. I think Sengun on the roster would have bumped them down a few slots further in the draft and maybe, MAYBE, they could have traded up to get Chet, but I'm sure they would have faced the uphill battle of getting a fair trade with someone in the top 2-3 slots to get him. And that's after they failed to get Mobley in the first place. Presti definitely had his eye on an top-tier big or nothing and Sengun was too much of a wildcard.
@@nono-qe2yq Basically they got Jalen Williams for Senguin, as the 2 picks they got from Houston were sent to the Knicks in the Williams deal, as well as the 2023 27th pick in the draft nick Smith. I think OKC would still take JDub over Senguin
Suggs is shooting like 40% from three this year. His offensive ceiling is much higher than Smart, but no way he could ever win DPOY
You clearly haven’t watched Suggs play
to be fair smart shouldve never won
These are all of your titles : “WHAT IF The NBA has a the 2021 NBA draft class is getting weird, problem, nightmare”
Got you to click didn’t it?
@@zq9118facts I was just about to say 😂 title did its job whether you fw it or not
Yet you watched it didnt you?
Judging Cade without a lot of quality teammates but he was getting a lot of praise from veteran players during the Team USA workouts.
Scottie is still very raw and already impacting the game more overall than the top 3 players. He’s easily number 1 in a redraft followed by Sengun and was the first player in the draft class named to the All Star game. He was also rookie of the year, I don’t see how this is even close.
Granted Scottie Barnes was the best in year one and probably year two, but he’s looking like he came into the league as a finished product. He’s a good player, but I don’t think he’s the type of player that will improve much more than what he currently is.
Meanwhile there are players that are starting to shine bright in year three that make you question what you just saw because they are exceptionally in another stratospheric talent pool.
Currently Green is showing a superstar spark, while playing every level of the game, such as defense, rebounding, spacing, hustle, and scoring.
@@V1NL0no offense but saying scottie probably won't improve much more is not going to age well. If you're going by counting stats, sure he's not a scorer and could see a career high of something like 23 ppg maybe. But everything else could easily go up. Rebounds, assists, blocks and steals are all stats we could see him bump up, potentially in the double digits for rebounds. He's already begun to flirt with a triple double in most games.
Most importantly, he'll improve as a team leader, which is something he hasn't had a chance to fully jump into yet. He's going to be at his best when he's able to command the floor and control passing lanes, especially if the Raptors get a man on man defender who can pull that responsibility away from him, allowing to Scottie to shine as a help defender (where he's proven to be most effective up to this point).
@@V1NL0well he’s made massive improvements on his shooting this season and getting to the rim also defensively good as well. Ur just hating
@@TheFireNeox I like Scottie Barnes’s game, he’s a well deserved all star. And he will make several more all star appearances with his level of talent. I’m saying that he came into the league very polished and near his playing abilities. He’s ahead of the curve in that he needs to tweak certain aspects to differentiate himself from his contemporaries.
Anyway you dice it, getting an all-star in the draft is a huge win. But I think he will be a nice complementary player to a superstar, which Toronto has yet to acquire. The team hasn’t been winning much are in line to have. Though they have Good chance of winning the lottery since they aren’t winning much this season.
@@tj5180 not hating by any means. Barnes is a well deserved allstar, so far he’s the only allstar from the draft class of 2021. But I think Toronto desperately needs to find their franchise scorer, because they are going to need one. With their record, Toronto is vying for another top player in the draft.
Green and Sengun are gonna make noise just give it a bit. Even with Sengun gone they’re like 10-1 with 9 wins in a row. Jalen has really stepped up. Depending on how the warriors play the rockets might actually make the play in.
Sengun was right there for the spurs and we wanna reach for a guy who will never play in the league again
I don’t really agree with the Mobley-JJJ take. Triple J has the offensive skill-though he’s pretty inconsistent-but is an objectively poor rebounder for his size. Mobley is a much better rebounder, particularly given his lack of bulk, but hasn’t developed nearly as much offensively. All this to say, Mobley is a less impactful 4 than JJJ, but Mobley could easily develop into a more impactful 5.
Seguin should be top 5 in a redraft of this class.
Sengun would be Top 3 right now in a redraft
He prolly should be top 2 behind Scottie
Is Scottie really that good? He reminds me of a Jerry Stackhouse.@@sir.muffiniii7011
There was talk among scouts that Scottie Barnes would go number one if he had a decent three ball. I think he does go number in a re-draft now.
Jalen Green is looking more polished lately. I’d love to have him on my favorite team.
Cade will prove ppl wrong
Dawg stop regrading drafts every few months. It looks crazy. Shit moves more than the crypto markets. I know you need to make content but good lord
It’s been years
Haters gonna hate hate hate hate - TSwizzle
loving the content brother!!
Alperen Sengun would go 1 in redraft
No because of defense
defense has improved greatly under Ime
@@badsky4196he’s the starting center on a top 10 defense and has a higher defensive rating than jokic and Sabonis
@@Aventsdor yeah but Barnes is a way better defender and Athlete with a similiar skill Set so he should go 1
@@badsky4196 not a similar skill set at all
Giddey is shooting 42% from 3 and 17.5 pts his last 10. Shocker a 21 year old dealing with a possible criminal investigation, had a rough start of the year. He's not going anywhere.
What are your thoughts of Zach Edey as a prospect? An old-school 5 who would be a lock for the top 5 15-20 years ago, but a bit much less valued in today's game. Do you see a fringe-lottery maybe 13-20 range for him or does he slide further than that?
I saw ur comment and did some digging this is only after a quick look I had into him.
He's got good hands and shoots well from the ft line with a decent looking form. (These traits are generally decent predictors for who develops a shooting touch).
I could see there being a chance he develops into a very good starting big and maybe more.
Ideally he would end up on a team like the jazz, sixers, Memphis or the raptors?
No lie I thought you were Daryl Morey for a second lol;
But jokes aside this was an awesome breakdown! You’ve earned yourself another subscriber!
Josh Giddey was BALLIN
#ThePredator
kings drafting an older player in davion mitchell is a huge L. Undersize and not much offensive potential. Kings cant do anything right. They were lucky trading for sabonis helped them; however, they traded away Haliburton. Then they got lucky in signing free agents malik monk and kevin huerter. They did do a solid job in drafting keegan murray. Overall, the kings front office and talent evaluation is still bad.
How tf were they “lucky” for trading for sabonis and getting monk, huerter ? Drafting Davion was controversial but they’ve done a solid job like also bringing in Mike brown as well. U can’t say they were lucky for doing good moves compare to the old front office in Sacramento
Bro aint seen fatherhood Jalen yet
Yeah Jalen green is finding himself !!! This guy is unbelievable right now!!!
Would Josh Giddey be a good fit on San Antonio? A PG who can create seems like what they need most. Thoughts?
Giddey would work well I imagine as he is being limited massively due to SGA's ball dominance and lack of passing compared to Jokic, Doncic or other high usage players, when he's the ball handler instead of camped in the corner opponents can't disrespect his 3 ball as much, and while he is still working on throwing lobs which he seems to struggle with, he'd probably be a good fit in San Antonio however I imagine San Antonio are more likely to draft a point guard in the lottery of one of the next two drafts
@@callumsmith5819 Yeah he is in the worst possible place for his skill. I have no doubt his shot will improve. It got better this year, and then he lost all confidence again. But having a Josh Giddey, and then playing him as Isiah Joe is just a ridiculous waste of what he can do, and putting him in the worst possible situation to succeed.
He’s a upgrade for the spurs at point guard and good fit next to wemby
He can’t really create for himself consistently which will hurt his playmaking
@@sir.muffiniii7011 he seems to be creating for himself well over the last few games with SGA playing less
I don't think this class can be fully evaluated at the end of the year. Like you said, there is a LOT of uncertainty about where the top picks will settle at in terms of their careers. Cade is injury prone and inconsistent, Green is inconsistent, Mobley is fine, an elite role player, but just that, a role player. You can argue Scottie and Sengun are the best players from this class, but I don't think they've separated themselves enough from the rest of the class. I think next year will more or less definitively tell us what is up with this class.
I really appreciate the statement “dropping down the hierarchy” . He 100 % can still play. and that absolutely giddey needs to ask for a trade if okc don’t move him . Brilliant assessment mate
It seems like a ton of guys at the top of this draft class have offensive limitations. It feels like the limitations were possibly made by the AAU experience. The fundamentals aren't being taught in AAU and it's starting to show in the NBA.
ehhh idk. The biggest offensive limitation that Cade has is that he isn’t that athletic. Jalen Green’s play style is fine. He just needs to be more efficient and somewhat improve as a playmaker. Mobley just needs to expand his offensive game. I don’t see what these things have to do with AAU and fundamentals.
Please don’t put Cunningham and D’Angelo in the same sentence Cunningham is way better
Not way better lol
Davion was a pick that even Kings fans knew was one of those, "Take the safest possible pick if you can't move up or down in this draft." We knew he could defend. His defensive numbers have proven that to be true. We thought he could shoot the three. He shot 45% his last year in college. We thought was growth but it was an aberration because he has shot about 32%, which is what he shot every other year in college. This (as well as Monk being an incredible 6th man ballhandler/scorer) is what has kept him off the floor. In a redraft he'd fall to the 2nd round for sure.
Do you think Robbie Avila of ISU is NBA caliber player?..
Jalen green is the player of the week in the NBA and has been going crazy after the all star break he definitely stepped it way up
Like luka, they did the same thing with sengun. Except luka was an obvious generational talent
why is every other video you make include in the title the word "WEIRD"?
I think you are right, and I do think OKC will move Giddey in the offseason. That said OKC doesn't need more star power. They need guys who can play around their big 3. The 2 guys drafted later in the draft who would have fit really well are Herb Jones, and Trey Murphy. Ideally they need to find a PF who can be a connector piece, and is a big rebounder, plays defense, who can hit some 3s, but isn't a guy who needs the ball a ton on offense
Mobley is limited at playing 4 next Allen. I think he needs to be a 5 to truly grow. Cleveland will at some point have to decide if that those 2 guys playing together is gonna be apart of their future. Giddey will be moved because I believe he is extension eligible but I doubt OKC is going to extend him before they get Jalen Williams and Chet locked up first. Might as well trade him for someone who can play 30+ minutes with this group
Giddey is suffering from the success of his team. He doesn't fit the timeline anymore. He needs a change of scenery.
Jose Alvarado, while not drafted, is the most underrated player in this draft class and on the Pelicans. I’m doing a write-up on him to show just how underrated he is.
This man literally find a video to make everyday
I want the spurs to figure out how to get Cade to team up with Wemby
Wait till you see Jalen suggs in the playoffs this year and then revisit your take. From a magic fan
as I said before, the redrafting and ranking of rookies should be done every third year in the NBA because this is when their contract ends and the team has the option to extend it or not.
This draft was very good. We will look back one day and maybe say it’s a top 5 draft
Mobley definitely moved further down my redraft 1 A Scottie 1B Sengun 3. Cade 4. Franz 5. Mobley 6. Kuminga 7. Murphy 8. Jalen Johnson 9. Giddy 10. Herb Jones.
Suggs is definitely more valuable than Giddy at this point in their careers
Where jalen green at
@@jonathanlukas2129 not here
Trash
@@Dawg476lol..he finally has a great coach and patience and you see him taking off. What are you talking about?
The only mistake with Suggs was not partaking in Anthony and Grady’s jersey swap 😳
Lol
I think 3 years is not the perfect time to rate these players it is a really good draft class but I think we are yet to see the prime of these players for example the current form of jalen green who has picked up form and maybe entering his prime and maybe is Allstar calibre player in the future I think 2 years more we really can rate these guys
Scottie Barnes is the best player in the 21 draft, Cade and Mobley are all star caliber but its Jalen Green who has the highest ceiling
Franz
Jalen green doesn’t have the highest ceiling if u count out this month hes been ass like what😂😂
@@gianantoniomedail6819nah
Sengun better than Barnes and green
@@mehmetkaba5568 not Scottie
Cam Thomas averaged 22.5 ppg on 44.2% and 36.4% from 3 while being the 1st option for most of the season and developing his playmaking skills at the same time. He's def not a 6th man type of player anymore.
Whoa I totally forgot Jalen Suggs is a top 5 pick. Sometimes it shows sometimes it doesn't
You can’t evaluate how good a player is until a year after their rookie contract
Herb Jones is top 5 in a redraft and shouldn’t be mentioned by just two sentences. Dude can start for a championship team
2020 was supposed to be weak and 2021 was supposed to be strong oh how things have changed …
Yup. I believe the sentiment was (at least from a prominent draft analyst in his published rankings) Anthony Edwards would've went 5th at the earliest in 2021; now there's not a single player in this class you would take over him.
@@raywright8479 😂😂😂
@@raywright8479are u talking about Kevin o Connor as the draft analyst ? Lol
@@tj5180 No, he's a clown lol I don't follow him at all. I'm talking about Sam Vecenie.
2020 was weak. There are no Franchise or possible all star players beside Anthony Edwards at 1, Haliburton at 12, and Lamelo at 2. And Lamelo 's stock is slipping because of always being injured, not playing defense, & having a minor effect on winning. Scottie Barnes was an all star this year. Sengun was in the running to be an all-star this year, despite a crowded & super talented West. Jalen Green has been amazing the last 5 weeks. Cade is on a bad team, & his shooting & turnovers were horrible at the beginning of the year, but he also missed a year & is playing great now. No one could get the Pelicans to trade Tre Mann and Herb Jones, Franz Wagner looks like he could be an all-star during his career. Jalen Suggs is shooting 40% from 3 this year and is an amazing defender. Kuminga often looks like the Warriors 2nd best offensive option at times, and Jalen Johnson is 17 points, 9 rebs, & 3 assists this year, and was in the running for most improved player until his injury last week meant he wouldn't hit the 65 game threshold for post season awards. And I didn't even mention Giddy who put up 30.and vs the Rockets when SGA was out this week or Evan Mobley who was 2nd in DPOY voting last year.
Jalen Green UNSTOPPABLE NOW 🔥🔥🔥
Can’t believe u skipped over Miles McBride. Just goes to show ur basketball knowledge and research put into this video
Meanwhile, Pelicans’ fans are going to go “What problems?”
I don't think that you could legitimately argue that Scottie isn't number one in a redraft.
With sengun, it's an argument
Cam Thomas is one of the best draft picks in that draft class he should’ve been a top pick
Still loving that my Pistons took Cade #1. Would absolutely be happy with that in a redraft. Dude is unguardable 1-on-1 and has been steadily improving his defense and assist-to-turnover ratio this year.
After 3 years in the league, a player is who is by the end of year 3, by the end of year 4 potential can be unrealized
This so wrong it’s crazy
Coby White?
Are you serious? cade becoming Deangelo Russell??? cade is so much more well rounded, he can develop into a good two way player which already makes him so much more valuable, he has all the tools and has already shown stretches of being way better than dlo ever was. The question is really whether or not he can develop to a perennial all-nba player which is where his talent should take him
At 55 was Andrew Wiggins. He literally saved basketball.
Jalen Suggs is the best defensive player on one of the top defensive teams in the league, majority of the Magic’s offensive is transition, and Jalen Suggs is a MASSIVE factor in how successful their offense runs
Not knowing what to think of cade is crazy ..... he's so fucking good its crazy
If you were to re-draft this class, I might take Jonathan Kuminga number two
JG will continue to learn and be the best in this draft
Giddey was poor most the season but very good lately, SGA being out let him play his normal role
Cade- very frail but looks great when he's healthy. I still believe in him.
Jalen- very inefficient but always turns it up post all-star break. Houston needs to trade for someone to back him up imo. Or just trade him as they have too many wings and guards.
Mobley- I thought he was gonna be a bust and thought he might have the highest ceiling in the whole draft but so far he hasn't done much offensively but is a beast on defense. Might actually be better than JJJ because he doesn't get on foul trouble every other day. Injuries are a bit concerning though.
Scottie- a star in the making. Already better than Jalen Brown IMO
Suggs- slightly worse version of Jrue Holiday. Shoots better though. Too many guards on that team. Trade someone.
Giddey- not necessarily a bust but he lost his place in OKC. Needs to get traded soon to a team where he can be the primary ball handler off the bench or as a starter.
Kuminga- his dunks reminds me alot of LeBron. Pretty below average defensively as opposed to what his fans think. Keeps improving every year. Might turn to a perennial all-star.
Wagner- I never expected him to be this good. Compliments Paolo's skillset very well. Will be a great trade asset if Orlando goes all in.
Davion- okay-ish rookie year. Has done nothing ever since. Injury prone. Drafted for his defense but can't guard bigger guards/wings well.
Zhaire- so inconsistent. There are flashes of being good then next thing you see he does a boneheaded play. 2nd most bust looking guy in the lottery.
Bouknight- done absolutely nothing. Most bust looking guy in the lottery
Primo- Has shown flashes and improvement but actually a sex offender. Got dropped by San Antonio. Still hanging in the league
Duarte- great rookie year. Has done nothing ever since.
Moses- idk what are warriors plans with this guy but he plays well every time he's playing his very limited minutes. His hairline already receding.
Kispert- suffering in NBA gulag.
Alperen- slightly overrated right now but might actually turn to a superstar. If he can improve his rebounding he could be a better version of Sabonis who's very underrated IMO.
Thomas- drops 40s from out of nowhere then scores 10 points in 25 attempts.
Ayo- cardio master
Herb and Murphy- Pelicans won big time drafting this people. They're starting level players but not really all-star caliber imo. But getting players like them down the draft is a huge W.
i am Rockets fan and Alperen's rebounding really underrated. his impact in rebounding bigger than his 9.3 rpg. i watch Rockets games and he tipping a few rebounds to his teammates every game. he boxing out a lot also. his 3 offensive rpg show he is a good rebounder. he just doesnt ''hustle'' for defensive rebounds. also Rockets better rebounder than Kings as a team. Rockets' problem is not rebounding but 3p shoting. Alperen's way to super stardom in hitting his shots also
Evan Mobley seemingly refuses to improve its really weird
He's been making incremental improvements imo.
We have just been spoiled with bigs learning new skills with Embiid and jokic
@@JBYHIFI Ah no he hasn't. His stats across the board are almost identical to his rookie year
@@paultizzard2864 I mean, I think we are talking ABT different things. I will concede he has not had a significant jump in counting stars tho. It sounds like you and I have different definitions of growth.
Sure he hasn't had a huge increase in per game stats. But his had a constant usage rate these last three years and has minorly increased scoring volume. Mostly by way of becoming a more efficient player.
Imo this has mostly been by him improving his decision making. Taking less bad shots, making less bad passes.
Given that he is playing out of his position and is sharing the court with 3 all star (or borderline all star talents) the incremental improvements he has made have been excellent.
@@JBYHIFIHe doesn’t have superstar potential I never got his hype
@@strawhatsgear5th I never said he had superstar potential? All I was saying is that he has improved since his rookie year. I am not even a Mobley fan I just strongly disagreed with the point that the original comment asserted.
He will be a seriously good defender, he will be a pretty good offensive piece granted he stays on the court. I do not think he will be a superstar but I will be happy to be wrong.
When he's healthy, Cade is a top 15 point guard in the NBA
The thing about giddy is this... He benefited from a local state law that overrode a federal crime he committed...😂 If he is moved there are very limited places he could go where he probably wouldn't be immediately charged😂 that really shows just how much of a gray area he was walking in
10:10 . " you can tell me cam thomas is averaging 15 ppg over seas" that's a ridiculous take. At worst the guy is a louis Williams
occasional 3’s? What’re you talking about Tucker lol. He’s a 40% shooter from 3…
Like last year Jalen Green Is Only good after Allstar game.
Cade is better tha Jalen Green😂 What you smoking man?
Have you not been watching Jaken Green in the last 10 games. I thought you didn't know takent before and now I am convince.
Cade can easily be all-NBA. He's got all the tools, the only thing he's missing is the motivation and that mamba mentality. Ivey in my opinion has more desire to win than basically anyone on the team. He also needs to figure out when and when not to turn it on. It seems like the first half he always just tries to facilitate and then the second half he tries, but if he's not shooting good when that time comes, it just kills any run the Pistons make.
its hard to have motivation and mamba mentality on the Detroit pistons, but tbf I agree that cade lacks the kinda killer instinct and the ability to take over games that all nba guards have. That being said he can still certainly develop it, especially on at least a semi-competent team.
@@Parsa-je1vd It's kind of a vicious circle too. Like he can't be motivated because the team is bad, but he needs to lead and motivate his team in order for them to not suck.
Cade is hard to redraft because the Pistons are so awful that I have no clue how much is realistically his fault.
too slow imo
@@strawhatsgear5thnot slow lack fts and respect he averages 18 drivers on 3 fts embarrassing production from the reds
He lost me with the Franz Wagner being a 1 or 2 pick in the redraft. Hell naw
You can just tell Josh Giddey's farts be hittin differently 🔥 💯 😈💩
As a Pistons fan I’d still take Cade #1 bc the potential is there and you see it in 3-5 consecutive games stretches. He just needs HELP and to say healthy.
It’s a toss up on who won the 21 class between Rockets and Orlando. Seg is an all star. Green could be also if the defense and effort is there. Franz is an all star. Suggs is a 1st or 2nd team all NBA going forward and if that 3pt % goes up then he’s a GUY.
This was a deep draft, full of very good ball players, but probably not a single superstar. And I'm a Detroit fan, love Cade, I'm still happy he was the nr 1 pick. But if there was a redraft... I have no idea what would I do, even having these three years of tape for all of those guys. Well, definitely not Jalen Green 🙃
How are you gonna skip right over one of the best backup Bigs in Dayron Sharpe #29
The Nets got decent players late in the draft #27 & #29. As long as The Nets refuse to "rebuild" Cam will have a spot there because no star is coming to save us. Since The ASB he has increased his playmaking, I expect a bigger leap from him next season.
Suggs has a way better 3 than Smart; I was personally projecting he could be something like JJ Reddick.
Poor man’s version of Kidd with a better jump shot lol
lol what his game is way different than jj reddick
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I think the only way he stays in the league is via his 3 point shot. Stop acting like I compared him to Rondo.
@@tj5180
Don't disrespect Kidd like that again; Suggs is literally averaging less than 3apg.
Jalen Green is easily the best player here
Why did you miss the guy who actually made the USA Team? Austin Reaves.
He got un drafted
Cade missed a whole darn year
Jalen green is A+
Nah, he’s been inconsistent, prolly like a B+
Alperen Şengün is a Star..
Sengun gets an A+ because he was 16th pick. Switch Jalen and Alp and he would be a C at best because of his full 3 years has been just ok. He had 2 months of good play and its only praise. Go figure
no he was good since his first summer league game. the guy was top 3 in bets for ROTY after summer league. he just underutilized by the Rockets for tanking purpose.
Your Jalen Green comments are aging poorly lol Kid looks like he's gonna be a super star
wheres austin?
The best player in this draft class is Sengun
Bro....
Don't talk about a player or a team if you don't watch them.
Also 3years isnt nearly enough for a young player to show his full potential , especially if he ended up on a bad team
Yeah no
dont talk nun if u dont watch the magic pls😢