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Do you remember how simple, logical and self explanatory life was as a kid? Everything just was "it is what it is" and there was no confusion about what is right and what is wrong. And then you grow up to be an adult and realize there are so many layers and things aren't what people say they are and people engage in double talk and games and you participate in this to survive and get ahead and to stroke your ego and then you get old and you're a kid again and none of this really matters. Looks like these guys are on that journey. And YT content creation.
Well the internet puts that all together.
It seemed that way because your parents were dealing with it and you weren't. Things were just as complicated for them.
Funny how that works.
The life rule book was cut and dry.
A combination of your Parents Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers.
Your reference to the egos and games, silly work politics, all of this absurdity usually driven by the same fundamental motivations as Junior High!
Power trips based on insecurities.
Or Narcissism .
Or sociopathy.
Or worse.
I quipped this saying for when it gets absurd.
"High School never ends...'
And I liked school too.
Going back to High School?
Now
To hint at ending redundant meetings on redundancy , becoming more redundant as time goes on Ill say,
"Almost recess girls and boys."
Timing and delivery important.
Like you mentioned, the thing about being a kid, is you have all this stuff you have to do, to prepare for this thing called life .
13 years of suspense and anticipation and grades are the key we're told.
Living a cliff hanger every day for years in unit the picture starts to clear towards the end.
I don't miss that.
Your point most could relate to.
K- 6th grade is thev longest stretch of happiness many ever have.
It's great not knowing anything.
Blisd.
Growing up in the late 60s- 70s..
All I'm worried about is my GI Joe, doing alright in school, kissing Lori or Amanda,and wishing I was Paul Stanley of KISS.
3 Channels on TV.
ROTARY phone.
The whole country in lockstep.
NFL on Sundays them 60 Minutes. Then All in the Family.
40 million a night watched Carson.
We were NEVER indoors. Remember?
Miles a day on our bikes. (;no Helmet...)
Baseball practice, football practice, swimming, fishing, playing catch shooting hoops, cops and robbers, climbing trees, throwing snowballs at cars, yardwork....
and holding hands with Lisa in her Dad's tool shed.
A 6,the grader!.
And crime was high in the 70s.
Always 2 or 3 new kids on the milk carton in the fridge.
The last decade has been the safest time in history .
Child abductionns lowest ever, don't see many kids with kids being kids all day long all summer.
Scared indoors by Corporate Media..
I guess they were Simple times Me, my little sister, Augie Doggy, and our 2 rabbits.
For adults though, pretty complex times.
OPEC, WATERGATE, VIETNAM, Assassinations every week.
Race riots, women's lib, ERA, inflation, energy crisis...Cold War..
It was more relaxed.
People drank more in those days.
Everybody smoked.
Match Game on TV.
There's Richard Dawson having a Scotch in the rocks and a cigarette at 1 pm on national television.
People were nicer too.
I'm was young but that's my opinion.
And everyone knew music!
Music was huge!
And the best music ever for 15 years!!
The biggest most drastic generational culture shift in US history .
I guess it's who you ask
Still there?
I went on a little long here.
Sorry about thet.
Your Post brought it outta me.
Thank you.🙏
Be well.
@@artigraphmultimedia1489 Check into a psych ward bruh. 💀.
That’s well said.
"none of my best friends are activists, and that's how it should be". Lol, well said.
@Max Milian most activist suck. Activism movements can be positive.
all influencers are activists. he is influencer, therefore he is activist.
@@intrametaarchi1015 thats inaccurate. I can influence you to eat broccoli. If I were an activist I would fight to mandate you only eat broccoli and all other veggies would be banished.
@@Ruckus45 activism doesn’t include mandating.
@@scrogfpv7443 I'm fairly certain that is the case in current activism. Take trans activism, they are pushing for mandating using certain pronouns with threat of criminal penalty.
The problem with activism is mandates are the inevitable outcomes. It's not as if once early/good hearted activism just dissipates once the original goals are met. New goals are always set and the "movement" must continue forward. Can you think of any group that started as an activist movement that just dissolved once the goal was met? Nope. They just move the goalposts and eventually those goalposts are mandates.
Damn! All this time I thought critical race theory was about how to make my Corvette go a lot faster.
The one correction I would make on Douglas' description of the praxis of Critical Race theory is that Race is the *primary* lens through which to interpret the world.
That would've been true if CRT still stood alone but today it's firmly fused with several other pathological ideologies, notably postmodernism, which views the world through the lens of power. If they have a choice between social power or easing racial tension they will prioritize power everytime. Their hypocrisy of racial "values" is partially why everyone hates the radical left, including themselves.
Murray is totally correct --I saw this as Wokeness began to emerge at my liberal university. It was suffocating for a free exchange of ideas.
I miss Hitchens!
anti-racism is just strategic racism at this point
lol next think they'll be loading you onto boats and shipping you to Africa to dig for gold!
@@liamdevine8063 oh my if we escape back to Africa why would we bring you there that would defeat the purpose.
Dumbest comment award goes to...
@@liamdevine8063 I am a white man. A powerful explorer who conquers lands but I am scared poor black and hispanic people will also ship me to Africa. I think I'm actually fragile and need to believe my race brings me power or else I would have to actually work harder than these dumb minorities....but if minorities are dumb and I'm smart why would I be scared of CRT.....I think I'm a confused child IDK.
It really is though. How do people not see past this bullshit
CRT is an ideology started in academia in the 70s that says racism exists everywhere - in every person and system - and the job of the critical theorist is to assess HOW (not if) racism occurred in any circumstance.
Racism is always ASSUMED to have occurred
NONE of the people who support and attempt to put in education will debate ANYONE on the merits of CRT.
Another way to think of critical race theory is this: It's the opposite of what Martin Luther King preached. It's the idea that we should judge people on the basis of their race, that someone's race is the only thing that matters about them, not the content of their character
So why is all of this problematic?
When you start with a conclusion - that racism has occurred - and work your way back from that conclusion, that's confirmation bias.
You'll only look at the information that supports your conclusion.
If you are LOOKING for racism in everything, you will inevitably FIND racism in everything.
You will misconstrue the most innocent thing as being a symbol of racism.
You will also ignore data that contradicts your point, so you're not showing the full spectrum of information.
All that leads to the conclusion being confirmed.
And anyone who disagrees with you or points out all the information you ignored is fragile.
When you start with the conclusion, you leave no room for a real THEORY to develop.
@@methanemamba2461 - it happens ALL THE TIME. In 2022, any time a white person is more successful over a black person, racism is pointed to as the problem regardless of the person’s qualifications and ability. Even requesting people be “on time” is now considered racist and white supremacy.
@@KinnArchimedes Seems like CRT leads to a mindset of playing the victim whenever something happens that ever so slightly doesn't go in the persons favor.
So basically, a well planned strategy of systematic gaslighting, that insures the perpetrator can never question their own position.
An education in water-tight lying.
Sounds like you basically defined Leftism, in all of it's ugliness, fancy over facts, and horror. I don't see much difference between CRT and the basic logic [if you can call it that] of the Left on pretty much every issue. Start with the conclusion you prefer, and work your way back to whatever other concern is on the table. That has been the obvious M.O. of every argument I've heard from Left leaning people.
And it's important to acknowledge that they will claim to see something like the mirror image of that across the table. Not because they don't agree with that assessment, but that in the end, they will basically acknowledge that is how they see the world. Which is why, to them, up is down, freedom is slavery, right is wrong, good is bad, evil is righteous, truth is hate, love is either lust or agreeing with and supporting mental illness, prosperity is theft, progress is intolerance, destruction is progress, spreading falsehood is compassion, theft is justice, and cheating is democracy.
things like CRT/nationalism, psychedelics, class warfare, contrasting communism/socialism with capitalism - studying these topics have been suppressed for so long it requires activism just for them to be acknowledged. If he complains about these fields being studied, its likely he is deferring to norms rather than exploring reality.
p.s. Lex's interview with Professor Richard Wolfe is evidence of this when he talks about how professors were afraid to address socialism in learning environments.
CRT uses inductive reasoning in lieu of deductive reasoning. Through inductive logic you can see how they arrived at the premises outlined by CRT. However, when using deductive reasoning to test these theories they cannot be disproven because if you're attempting to disprove the theory then that means you have not accepted it's "truth"; therefore, you're a racist, which in turn proves that the theory is true. Absolutely wild.
@@adams4244 that's _not_ how scientific theories work, that's how social theories work. in academia, the humanities are not a science.
@@adams4244 No, it's the opposite. In philosophy, you should always start with the premise that your assertion is wrong and try to prove that the logical consequences lead to a contradiction, thereby, proving the assertion to be right.
Most academics in Philosophy are radical Marxists, they will run circles around you in logic theory to prove their stuff right. The issue IMO isn't that they are all wrong but that language has limitations and we are experiencing that.
CRT is taught in law school, ask a lawyer
I appreciate Lex challenging him a bit on this topic. Critical race theory is not going anywhere and I can promise that.
explain the anti miscegenation laws, the redlining, the opium wars in China started by England, etc
As a german why had "Rassenlehre" not so long ago, seems like you americans have now your own Rassenlehre aka "Race Theory"
The idea that "race" is the key metric in human judgment is the biggest flaw in the theories. I believe we could study "Critical Difference Theory" and it would be more fruitful. All humans judge others based on many things, skin color, weight, sex, class, age, height, shoe size, etc.
"Race" is a hugely misused term at this point. Are we talking about actual race (Asian, African, Anglo, Latin) or are we just talking about skin color? Is it just white to black? Is it just American Racism?
There are so many unclear aspects to this.... Regardless, above all treat others with kindness.
I've never met an activist who cares about details, nor one who doesn't sustain themselves on emotionalism.
But Latino is not a race though
Only racists can engage CRT.
no slave trade for shoe size. no concentration camps for height. no scalping based on age.
All it is, is the discussion of race. Everything you mentioned in your comment is encompassed in CRT. It heavily impacts all of us, so why not discuss it. This doesn’t mean everything should be framed as “ah big scary white people did bad things” but to ignore race altogether is just exacerbating the problem.
Murray does say some interesting things and often makes valid contributions to the ongoing polemic. He also goes out of his way to sound well-meaning and plausible but I always find myself perplexed by the very flippant and lazy assumptions that he casually throws into the mix and which he then uses in as building blocks for the rest of his arguments. He has a darker agenda I think.
I feel the same way. His book might provide more perspective, but I’m not sure if it’s worth reading.
Same. Someone gifted me his Strange Death of Europe book and it was actuallyscary that someone thought much of that worth publishing. It's scary when he speaks on subjects you know a fair deal about because you see through his bullshit instantly. Not sure if he has a darker agenda or he's just another grifter making money off of leftist overreach and hysteria
SAME
Oddly similar to Wolfe, isn't it?
his angry tone gives it away. zero self irony and i run the other way
No one is totally correct. Murray only gives his opinion. I believe higher education is supposed to open your mind and challenge your views about the world. Not brainwash you. The freedom to select a course that’s satisfies ones curiosity is the real beauty of higher education.
Dog whistles are real. So are straw men. Every time I hear, "That person is lying, they say X but really mean Y", I think, "SOMEONE is lying . . . is it *really* a dog whistle, or are you just straw-manning them? Which makes more sense based on the evidence?"
@@scottmcnamara6474 he's a posh English bloke. More than likely completely detached from average people.
@@justloveallmusic you people clearly have never actually listened to him across other platforms on the internet. its very easy to assume what he is based on this one clip.
@@scottmcnamara6474 you're just mad because he calls out your ideology how it is
@@Astares9 and you like him because he agrees with yours. It's how the world works buddy. No need to point out the obvious. He has an air of complete snobbery about him.
@@justloveallmusic i like him because he speaks the truth, i don't agree with him about everything. he can be too right-leaning for me but what he has said here is _spot on_ you're just angry because of his tone of voice and that he calls out your shit ideology how it is
After watching this I still don't know what critical race theory is.
Yeah, no explanation. Where did it come from? How do you know if you got it? How long do you suffer from it? While he’s at it can you explain wokeness?
9:20 might help
We didn't spot our own government abusing our rights the last two years, in fact many welcomed it. I get the feeling that we're one step away from going down the toilet.
we've been sold out decades ago, its been over and we've been going down the toilet for years
The only thing that could possibly save us is a return to Judeo-Christian ethos. That return usually starts with a lot of dead Jews and/or Christians. Innocence (not really having much understanding of why evil's evil, but avoiding it on faith) is really hard to regain.
@@Astares9 I agree, more so after 9/11 than before. Even culture has become stagnant and has been monopolized by those in power.
@@aaronjapo LOL oh yes, that is surely the only way to save us!
@@macdoucette211 You scoff?! Clearly you don't understand Judeo-Christian ethics. I find folk like this also have no understanding of Neil Diamond either. The world doesn't need this kind of brazen disregard for beauty!
I wholeheartedly disagree with Critical Race Theory but Mr. Murray’s disgust for the subject did little to educate Lex’s audience on what it actually is. He failed to mention its connection to Marxism, its disdain for the scientific method, its refutation of a color blind society and so much more. Less smugness and more valid criticisms of CRT would have been a better approach.
Its just a tweaked version of critical theory from the Frankfurt school of thought. Buy i het what he saving. They field is stagnant and so many innovations in other fields. Those in tje field needed to needed to make themselves relevant. But its actually nothing new.
Whatever it takes to get rid of systemic racism
CRT is not that.
Explained really well here.
I like this guy.
Wait what is the difference between socially dealing with darks truths and having activists who want do do stuff to them (you know socially dealing with them).
Also please have someone on who is more involved with CRT.
PHds require that you work on something original. That is the whole point of a PHd to break new ground. You want people to teach hume that is what grad students are for which study that stuff in their undergrad.
Speaking as someone who had been there, you’re only allowed to break ground on the cusp of what’s already discovered, and if there’s a supervisor out there who actually has an idea of what you want to study
Today is "beware of woman with mustache"
👌🏼
Critical race theory (CRT) is a cross-disciplinary intellectual and social movement of civil-rights scholars and activists who seek to examine the intersection of race, society, and law in the United States and to challenge mainstream American liberal approaches to racial justice. The word critical in its name is an academic term that refers to critical thinking, critical theory, and scholarly criticism, rather than criticizing or blaming people.[1][2] CRT is also used in sociology to explain social, political, and legal structures and power distribution through the lens of race.[3][4] For example, the CRT conceptual framework is one way to study racial bias in laws and institutions, such as the how and why of incarceration rates and how sentencing differs among racial groups in the United States.[5] It first arose in the 1970s, like other critical schools of thought, such as critical legal studies, which examines how legal rules protect the status quo. Wiki
Thank you for answering Lex’s question.
Postmodernism has corrupted academia. However, his claim about ideology is nonsense. Ideology has been a part of academia since Plato's Republic. As far as CRT, those that would dismiss it outright are just as wrong as those that would ascribe it to everything.
I don’t believe people are dismissing it outright. I think they’ve evaluated it and see it as an extremely flawed theory. I don’t have a problem with people in academia discussing it but the idea that people who don’t know what they’re talking about have adopted it as fact is a major problem - and ironically you’re not allowed to discuss/think otherwise.
To many skip over those shoulders of giants on which we stand.
Murray recommending being slightly humble is the funniest joke ever told.
CRT obviates the need for any thought, word or act of racism as proof of their presumed verdict. All they need is their preferred race measuring less favorably than another. Regardless of the cause: they declare their favored race to be victims of the other.
Then they would use real government enforced discrimination in response to their presumed discrimination; altering laws, policies and practices to favor their preferred race.
All for the stated purpose of forcibly making the measurements between races identical.
The operative question is whether you support using government force to implement racial discrimination.
All the rest is academic.
My answer is no.
You have zero understanding on the subject.
@@kindofbluenyc nope, it is very up-front description of this ideology.
@@kindofbluenyc
Vacuous dismissal noted and reciprocated.
@@michaelpcoffee Ignorance is profound and often tied together with arrogance.
@@kindofbluenyc
Your self awareness and humility are admirable.
You stop when the truth is revealed.
He still didn't answer the question and explain what CRT actually is. Many so called detractors continue do this.🤦🏾♂️
The reasons for this are simple. If CRT isn't a helpful way to look at institutions (which I believe it is not. A law can not be racist on its own unless it is explicitly written to be so, no matter the conditions of the time it was written) and you accept reality for what it is (that minorities in the West especially blacks have worse outcomes in terms of wealth attainment and criminal justice) then there are really only two valid explanations
The first, and the one I am inclined towards is that there is an abundance of legitimate racists in power or at least people that are willing to ignore the historic conditions that lead to systemic racism and use black people when it is convenient to, for instance, bolster conviction rates (ex: when studies show a disproportionate effect on blacks regarding minimum sentencing even for the same crimes and similar arrest records, this does not indicate that minimum sentencing laws are inherently racist as CRT would conclude, but that individual prosecutors (many of whom would be Democrats, mind you) are racist or willing to use blacks). I believe that many US liberals only actually like CRT because it allows them to dismiss this possibility . It is the easy answer of "the institutions are just racist." And then they move on and don't do anything, lest the political careers of people like Kamala Harris be brought into question. By defining the issue as "structural" they are actually able to elude changing anything, as the problem becomes too large to actually meaningfully address. Alluding to CRT allows them to reduce the issue of racism to something akin to "an asteroid might destroy human life some day," Sure, it's bad, but there really isn't anything we can do about it.
And then the second possible explanation is of course that blacks are just actually inferior, either culturally or biologically. This is what people like Murray believe, whether they say it out loud or not, and of course, they do not want to say it out loud. "CRT is nonsense, and I think we all know why there actually is inequality *wink, wink, nudge nudge*"
Once upon a time only a small percentage of people attended college. When college became an industry for everyone they needed something to sell the masses. Most people cannot do quantum physics so they needed something anyone could do. Enter the humanities. Anyone can get a degree in humanities. Period.
"If you hear the whistle...YOU'RE the dog"...
@@Coccelo I would of went with establishment bitch but that's just me.
Yeah. This guys full of one liners..
I fully agree with Mr. Murray.
Far too many soon-to-retire experts are done with mystery and would like to finish their studies, find answers and leave a good legacy.
Too much ego and not enough learning. Ego is the poison of today's human world.
Pronoun peeps are gonna have a fun time with Spanish.
Wait a minute did the Portuguese and Spanish guard their maps of the new world from the English?
The Portuguese guarded their maps from the the Spanish *and* the English. Without Portuguese Pilots, the Spanish would never have left the Mediterranean. And if they did, they'd never come back again.
The idea of free and open information in science is a big game played by aristocrats for centuries; those who believe in such ideals and freely share what they know for mere wages are like cows on a field, regularly milked by the owners of the fields. Secrets are the key to economic and political wealth, and education is the mechanism that sorts the farmers, the laborers, and the animals whose bodies are grown as food.
Idealism is a great tool, but one not understood as such by the ones inclined to hold it.
@@haniamritdas4725 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
@@haniamritdas4725 facts. so many fools out here thinking shit is easy to find.
It's a good thing he didn't have Douglas Murray and Richard Wolf on at the same time. They would have annihilated each other leaving only energy behind.
Although the more I think about it, there is a bit of an imbalance in their logic so there would have been plenty of Douglas Murray left to form a universe and people would wonder where all the Richard Wolf went.
This gentleman reminds me of JP in how he is fully invested in his worldview held up by his defense mechanisms and spreads his protected perspective with conviction as if it’s clear distilled reason and practicality
Can't argue the point, so you argue the pointer, can you give us some details on what you disagree with so that this isn't just an Ad Hominem fallacy?
what defense mechanisms?
It feels as though listening to Murray is like any gay coffee klatch-- the goal of conversation with him as far as he's concerned is to gain his approval. It's a cultural tic, but pretty irritating to me.
JP on the other hand literally makes a joke of himself as far as I can tell. Self-caricature is fascinating to watch when someone goes from being a new age hippy to a middle aged father. But I never took him seriously in the first place, and appreciate that he often makes me laugh, uncomfortably or otherwise.
@@haniamritdas4725 and yet you're here listening to him
@@maimedlord6999 I think he's referring to the while male privilege defense mechanism, which is the only talking point available to the activists.
00:53 his eyes lol
Les wasn’t up to par this time, he disappointed in his summations.
I love this man, he is so correct
The problem , too, with academia and post grad studies is that advisors and academic staff have the last word on what a student wants to pursue , or the topics therein. Obviously it is always within the advisors’ view of the world and areas of interest which adds to the groupthink and lack of new ideas. It worries me that all of the giants in the disciplines have gone and there are now those in academia who are trying to be relevant by proposing an obscure theory which is picked up as fact. Someone, somewhere , needs to fund a school of higher education which covers the dying disciplines - languages, philosophy, factual events in history, etc. etc. without the influence of the shifting mindset of popular culture. Humanity will be the poorer for the loss of these schools of thought.
CRT is a course you take in college to help understand law. If you want to be an attorney/lawyer you need to understand the history of law and how it currently effects the present.
You have me lex !
Hitler was Austrian, not German 😂
He identified as a Bavarian.
That thumbnail…
Gives me godhand/berserk flashbacks
The beauty of using the history of previous generations to villify an entire demographic: it can never be changed. It will remain available any time you need to. No matter how much you punish your target demographic; the history will remain unchanged and they will be no less villified.
Fascists have used this for generations.
10:48 What is so often overlooked, the boring, pedantic truth behind so much of the divisive activism that inflames discourse through modern media
...time to write another book that the world so desperately needs.
This whole convo is based on the premiss that structural racism is nonexistent today.
If that's the case, I'd love it if one of you stemcels could let me know when exactly that happened. Was it after the civil rights act was signed? or maybe it was when Obama got elected?
You are making this comment on the premiss thar structural racism is true, which it isn't. Name one thing that a white person can do that a black person cannot
What's structural racism?
@@gersonkazumi4597 sure. black women consistently getting subpar healthcare because stereotypes and dying 2-3 times more often than white women while giving birth, our natural hair being considered "unprofessional", access the good education in k-12 because of housing laws that go back decades (which yall just completely ignore), still being over policed even though white people commit the same amount of crime proportionately (slightly more in some cases actually).
But that's just to name a few.
@@Ahabite read my other comment
@@Coccelo you really just went over everything I named and said to yourself "yeah that's nothing" ?
It's probably debatable. but IT and software development is not an engineering discipline.
Lex Friedman X Stevie Griffin
Do not underestimate the capacity of my evil..or your own either.
Good luck, everybody 😏💙💙
Is this Darth Sidious reincarnated? I like his new vibe.
That’s hilarious! I can’t unsee it now
The KKK returning? Who is this guy? Where has he been the last 30 years. The KKK never left.
What's hilariously revealing though is this guy didn't even attempt to give a definition of CRT, just reasons why it shouldn't be respected.
Crt shouldn't be respected?
@@CryptoLightskin i meant that's what he was saying
@@groovy3443 oh i misread it.
It's a timing issue.
--Critical Race Theory --
Overall this theory states that race systematically operates in societies intentionally OR unintentionally. We all agree that CTR was a real social construct on a governmental level from the day this country was founded, until 1964, when The Civil Rights Act was passed.
This is where the argument "CTR is bullshit" begins. Murray even says " How long are we going to keep talking about this". The question is, was structural racism completely eradicated 1 day after the laws were enacted? I think 99% of people would agree no. ( Even when there was structural racism, citizens during that time said it didnt exist)
So, when did CTR become bullshit ? 1 year after? 2 years? 5? 10? Fast forward 60+ years later, there are millions of people in the country that feel as they still operate at a disadvantage on SOME LEVEL.
If you take 10 minutes out of your day, and research the socioeconomic status of oppressed minorities THROUGH HISTORY, in the country, you will see there is still a lingering effect of the the systematically racist laws America held for CENTURIES.
Lets not get emotional, lets just state the facts! Im not arguing for or against CTR, im just stating the fact that millions of people FEEL as if its still present, & there is ample evidence of it being present far after the CRA, i.e Red Lining...
The problem is that the oppressed are demanding to be given the oppressor role so they can "give back" the oppression. They don't want to really have no racism, they want vengeance and revenge for being "historically oppressed". The neat trick here is that they will always be "historically oppressed" even after they acquire power now. So how long do you oppress the old oppressor. How much damage do you do? When will the lust for vengeance be satisfied? You know the answer, it's why you like CRT. The oppressed will become the oppressors FOREVER. Then in 100 years when the new oppressed demand to be treated fairly, you will say NO and kill them.
Forgiveness is the answer and this is why it was at the heart of MLKs message and the idea that everyone is the same, as humans. Because this division and fight over who has more and who does better is a path to forever war....
Christianity gave the world the gift and power of forgiveness. Woke is throwing that away, and if they fully succeed the world will burn. But everyone will at least be equal....in abject misery.
@@ANonymous-mo6xp This reply is riddled with hyperbole and opinion. So a logical response is impossible. I’ll comment on one of your statements just for fun 😊:
Ending it off with how Christianity gave the world a gift of forgiveness invalidates this response even more, not because it’s true or false, but because it’s from complete left field and doesn’t add any real benefit to the conversation. If you truly believe that a group of people can traumatize another group of other people for 400 years, and that same group of people should not be held responsible in any capacity to bring any sense of resolution to those traumas, then you’re someone who should never hold power !
You MUST have Y women and X blacks on your engineering staff
What about environmental activism? The dangers of climate change have been investigated by science since the 70/80's but the general populus is only now sloooowly recognizing them, when it's a bit on the late side to effectively make changes. I don't think we would be at this point without activism.
A significant portion of environmental activism is just... wrong. They have been on the wrong side of discourse one too many times, and have erroneously pushed ideology over scientifically derived observations and conclusions on too many occassions. Most mainstream environmental groups should not be listened to or taking seriously. They have probably done more damage than good.
There is a strong distinction that has to be made between environmentalism, which is a politically driven ideology, and ecology, which is a scientific discpline. Most activists groups belong in the former camp, while most scientists and people that actually study the biotic and abiotic conditions of our planet belong in the second. Unfortunately, in many cases, there isn't much of an overlap between the two.
The world is a bit too complicated and chaotic, and most of it still remains a mystery to us. We know a lot less than most people believe that we know, or comprehend, about the natural world. But from the two groups mentioned above, one is certain about their convictions, and the other is full of doubts. Would you like to guess which one is which?
@@blinx999 my point was that environmental activism shifted the public eye on environmental sciences like ecology and geosciences. I study biology at the ETH zurich in switzerland and in every class that has the slightest connection to biodiversity or ecology covers the destructive effects of humanity on this planet extensively.
And yes, there are many phenomena science can not explain about our universe.
But if any of the professors in life sciences i've encountered at one of the highest ranked technical universities in the world aren't flat out lying, or incompetent, (which i highly doubt) the effects of human pollution are devastating, based on all that already can be proven.
@@nekrokulter I believe you're missing my point a bit. Everything you said is absolutely correct, the devastating effects of human behaviour on the planet is of an incredible magnitute. The professors are right (I'm a well trained ecologist and evolutionary biologist myself, from equally fancy schools as you).
My issue and criticism is that a lot, if not most, environmental activism is not rooted in ecology, biology or evolutionary biology and what the professors are saying. It's rooted in political environmentalism, which started getting serious momentum in the 60s with the publishing of Silent Spring. Yes the issues pointed out is often correct (and often incorrect), but the solutions proposed are laughable at best. Unscientific to the core. Modern day lysenkoism at it's finest. Not to mentions the numerous times they seriously missed the mark.
In essence, my point is to see and be part of ecological activism instead of cheap and easy environmentalist activism. These groups have been repeating the same tactics for over 60 years to absolutely negligible result. We can see that by the devastately sad state of affairs as they are right now to know it hasn't been even remotely useful. As much as the intentions have been noble, the methodology used and employed by these groups have more often than not been completely fruitless. We do not need more awareness to be raised, nearly everybody is awared already. We need good solutions and we needed them yesterday, and unfortunately the enviromentalists have not delivered where it matters mosts.
From my own personal experience having dealt with many of these types, at the higher levels of these political games, they are more often than not just pawns being used to further other goals and agendas. Corruption and power games is a serious problem in all mainstream enviromentalist groups of a respectable size and they are guilty on numerous occassions on making things significantly worse. Much much worse.
We are all eugenicists
A bit extreme to say nothing good has come from people studying activist type interests, no? Really ? NoThInG???
"we should be careful and humble"..... yeah.... the loud ones aren't that.
"More important, as critical race theorists we adopt a stance that PRESUMES that racism has contributed to ALL contemporary manifestations of group advantage and disadvantage along RACIAL lines, including differences in income, imprisonment,health, housing, education, political representation, and military service. Our history calls for this PRESUMPTION."
"Words That Wound: Critical Race Theory, Assaultive Speech, and the First Amendment"
by Matsuda, Lawrence III, Delgado, and KIMBERLE' WILLIAMS CRENSHAW
Those are their words from their intellectual papers: It is the entire foundation of the premise.
CRT promotes the notion that the fact that a group is measurably superior is proof that everybody in that group is guilty; and, that a group being inferior is proof that everybody in that group is a victim.
Further: this principle projects through time; asserting that what happened to the long dead projects onto the guilt or victimhood of the living; even if the living never experienced it at all...........
CRT uses history and statistics to justify using government force to implement racial discrimination.
CRT obviates the need for any thought, word or act of racism as proof of their presumed verdict. All they need is their preferred race measuring less favorably than another. Regardless of the cause: they declare their favored race to be victims of the other.
Then they would use real government enforced discrimination in response to their presumed discrimination; altering laws, policies and practices to favor their preferred race.
All for the stated purpose of forcibly making the measurements between races identical.
The operative question is whether you support using government force to implement racial discrimination.
All the rest is academic.
My answer is no.
hes actually so funny
I love these guys. Spot on.
History too? Okay.
It's actually the other way around. Hence the term 'Ivory tower' for scientists.
I like this guy!!!
Yeah let's ask Douglas Murray about this... He'll surely have a nuanced view on critical race theory. By the way isn't someone like himself an activist in his own right? Does he not pontificate within the humanities? Perhaps you could say study it? Also the point when critical race theory should stop is when history is portrayed accurately which is a herculean effort. The founding fathers are an inspiration, did a number of them do repugnant things? ofcourse. If we study history with maturity and respect for what truly occurred we would strive to portray it accurately.
He said science and ideology and activism shouldn't be mixed. Eric Weinstein is a scientist who literally advocated for formation of a new political party. Is he unaware of that?
Isn’t it possible that he doesn’t agree with Eric Weinstein doing that?
Science and politics should not mix.
Scientists are allowed to have politics opinions and even form parties so long as it doesn’t affect the actual science.
Don’t confuse science with scientists.
@@bitzibien7871 but that's not the point he's making
@@smoothsailing7325 it's absolutely possible. I inferred his support for Eric since he used him as an example.
Plus, you should listen to Eric's political ideas and find out for yourself if his science is informing his political views. The Dark Horse Podcast :)
@@Weasucks sure, but the issue at hand is: should scientists be activists. I say why not, so I disagree with the guest.
"It assumes all the time that we are living on the cusp of the return of the kkk" ....said one month after the shooting in buffalo🤔
Yes. And in times gone by those things were so frequent as to be routine.
Quest for novelty
To say that literally nothing Good has come from an entire form of education and study is very dumb lol. Only people that are self diluted are that confident in their own opinions.
What a perfect person to tell us what he thinks about critical race theory. An old white man from one of the most heinous empires of all time.
@@jaybrown8807 Race and Gender are both qualifications for OBSERVATION BIAS. Good luck with your item shop, my NPC friend.
@@jaybrown8807 I was pointing out irony. The example you used is much less ironic.
We should be less concerned about teachers teaching history, and more concerned about the movement in the U.S. to ban books from libraries and schools.
Tell me you’re a colored racist without telling my you’re a colored racist
What a way to start a civil conversation! If you want to change peoples mind about something.. don't come out of the gate with your asshat on.
Lex was kind of underwhelming here
Calling the kettle black. Zooming in on topics to the point that they lose meaning or usefulness. If we zoom out far enough you can see how the systems of human organization are working exactly as they should. Another victim of academia thinking he’s got it all figured out. It’s his delivery, that makes him insufferable. Disappointing to say the least.
DEFUND THE UNIVERSITY
Half the equation is taken out when the opponents or proponents talk about it. Its both a legal study and socio political ideology that comes out of the social sciences that, yes, is predicated on critical theory in general.
He’s way too dismissive of CRT. It isn’t forcing race where it wasn’t. It’s looking at American history through the lens of race and how it affected our cities, the economy, policy, EVERYTHING.
And for the millions of people in our poor inner cities it isn’t some activist study. It’s an explanation of their reality. And if we don’t study and bring attention to it we’ll never solve the actual problems that still exist.
Voting Democrat like mindless lemmings every election cycle is an explanation of their reality. Corrupt teachers unions are an explanation of their reality. Democrat policies that led to high single mother households is an explanation of their reality. Race baiting by useful idiots for Marxism isn't going to change that, it's only going to make it worse. How's the massive BLM movement helped inner cities? Exactly.
Looking at EVERYTHING through one specific narrowly defined lens is such a reductive and unproductive way to analyze. When your'e just a hammer all you will see is nails.
If you wanted to be serious about helping inner-city black people you might compare the empirical evidence of black progress for the first 100 years after the end of slavery to the massive regression after the introduction of the welfare state.
The rise of the welfare state and absentee fathers coincides with the Drug War so it's not that clear cut.
The insane stuff about CRT is less about history as it is and more about exploiting history to justify further racism and injustices to balance it out. Civilizations have been seeking revenge on each other for thousands of years to eachother it's nothing new.
So lots' of knowledge on human beings, are just manmade exaggerated fantasy, not exactly science at all .
Did Europe benefit from The Enlightenment and The Industrial Revolution? Did black people benefit from slavery and colonialism?
Yes, black people did benefit from slavery. The ones brought to America now live in a country where they have the right to complain about anything at all under the currently best system of governance on the planet, though Democrats have certainly tried very hard to take that away. In Africa, their complaints would almost always be met with gunfire or imprisonment. So yes, the ones brought here did benefit. Stupid question with a stupidly obvious answer. If you don't like it, piss off back to "Mother Africa."
I'm a big fan of Lex but the bridge analogy made me a little sad :(
Anecdotal nonsense. No solid points were made just feelings. Pathetic
What's wrong with his upper lip?
Amazing conversation. I won’t be surprised if it gets pulled
Why would it get pulled he didn’t really explain much of anything?
And a 15 minute clip and he couldnt answer the question. Just spewing : we shouldnt dwell in the past. Some black people and their descendats got effed. Get over it , were in the future now. Whats done is done. It was gods divine will. Stop nagging about it
This guy is a perfect example of someone having a British accent pretending to be smart while being completely stupid. He literally defined CRT two different ways that don't agree with each other. And whenever he was challenged on a point he would flutter off into some nonsense and just stop like he said something poignant. He should be a Monty Python skit.
Why don't you use Critical theory to evaluate CRT. Marxists NEVER criticize their religious beliefs, ever.
CRT and in fact everything from the woke is anti-human shit.
Point your critical theory at CRT and if it survives, which it won't, then we can critique it as a viable theory.
can anyone just say what critical race theory is without poisoning their explanation with their opinion of it!? i gave up on even looking it up because every video is so passionately biased. even this guy says "it's an attempt to insert race into everything", while coming across wholly disturbed by it. just tell us what it fking is without your personal opinion on it, jeez lol
If no one can clearly explain what it is and you can't find that information easily, you know it's an excellent tool for an agenda.
I'm not saying that's all it is, but I too find the lack of profound and clear discussion/explanation makes it difficult to properly judge.
And maybe that's the point.
There's also the very real possibility I'm too daft to get it.
@@srenjensen2625 whatever. if u just call it agenda u can only blame those who fall victim to the plans of others. it's not that nobody CAN explain it. i said can they not explain without a version entirely soaked in their OPINION. it's basically a constant display of selfishness more than anything, agenda, whatever. it's blind opposition, etc
@@tommyaudio I agree with you.
My point was simply that it is used as a tool (for most people discussing it) to further their own point of view, either by rediculing CRT or doing the opposite.
I was not being snarky towards you.
All love 👍
@@srenjensen2625 definitely, all love ✌
The thing about privilege is that one does not know one has it until one loses it. And then one misses it greatly. Like anything one has taken for granted all of one’s life. And for that reason the issue of privilege cannot be explored or understood academically or abstractly. One has to experience the loss of it to begin to understand where it all came from.
On a separate but not unrelated note. In an unfair world all that we have accrued was done so unfairly. And that is not an ideological statement. It stands firmly as a tautology. Something whose truth flows from its own logical internal consistency. So unless one thinks we live in a fair world then all our privileges flow from some sort of unfairness.
Even having the privilege of having one’s voice heard above the din of all others is itself a privilege. One that Lex and his guest would only fully appreciate after it has been taken away from them. Either by the angry mob that his guest seems to have no time for. Or the moral arc of the universe that MLK so eloquently spoke about grants equal time to the many huddled masses who have remained far too silent for far too long.
Like the Native Americans for instance. From whom we hear almost nothing in our halls of justice. Or power. Or political representation. A glaring oversight since they were here long before anyone else. In effect this was their land. They just never thought about fencing it and claiming it exclusively theirs. Unlike the rest of us.
Edit. By the way. It’s conversations like these that drive many underprivileged people from the traditionally disadvantaged minority communities. A bit crazy. For it shows such lack of any self awareness. Of how subtly racism works in our society. Next time why not open the conversation in real time to hear from someone who never had any money growing up. Or any role models who helped them educate themselves. Or better still. Why not cede the microphone to those we have yet to hear from.
What a novel idea. White men actually listening rather than lecturing how unfair they have had it all their lives. Because they were promoted as the benchmark by which all success is measured. Even as the world they have created and supervised through all these multinational organizations falls apart. The Bretton Woods Agreement is tattered and torn. And yet our vaunted mostly white male leaders sit around and kvetch about how bad they have it and how undervalued they are. When a white guy complains it is a valued grievance but from anyone else it’s sour grapes.
Fairness is the end result of entropy. A fair universe is less than dead - It is nothing.
so the point of academia is to stay in a theoretical bubble. so dumb. CRT is looking at race as codified into law, how that effects society, how that could be changed, the end.
This is a motte-and-bailey, and is generally the fallacy used to justify radical methods like CRT. It takes the idea that "race is codified into law" as an axiom, when the assumptive truth of that assertion itself does not pass muster.
@@ryebr3ad well and truly. It has a rich history, even origin in social science too, i.e sociology, which is a completely different kettle of fish and what the opponents are actually critical of
@@ryebr3ad Thank you for saying this. This very often goes unstated or outright ignored. They're presuming the very thing they claim to be setting out to investigate.
It’s based on theory (flawed, disproven theory in my opinion). The problem is that flawed theory is being adopted by people that take it as fact and do t realize the psychological manipulation and dangerous it creates.
james lindsay has a great presentation on what exactly this is, and it's not what you just described OP
I can't listen to this arrogant boring know-it-all. Plus, his idea that only a mechanistic worldview is valid is BS, since it is most likely leading to the demise of our species.
I don’t get Lex Friedman…seems dumb and rides Joe Rogan’s coattails…
This guy is full of his own wants. He want everyone to forget truth so he can feel better.😏
What “truth” are you referring to. CRT is the opposite of truth, it’s a theory. A very flawed theory.
forget the truth? that's literally what CRT is founded upon; forgetting history and the effects of judging people based on immutable characteristics. do you even listen? probably not, words probably go through one ear and out the other with people like you
@@smoothsailing7325 flawed truth how? Also I can care less about CRT, because I know that no matter how many facts are given, it could never be undone. I wish African Americans would stop complaining and get the hint.
Since he couldn't explain it here's a small description. CRT just looks at how race has impacted people/laws in the past, which it absolutely has. Applying CRT allows people to avoid the mistakes of the past and see how we arrived at the current state of inequality. You can't say race hasn't had an impact on law/the history, just go back 100 years and look at segregation laws
I’m open to hearing different perspectives, but there isn’t much depth to this guy or his thinking.
I agree
Hmm, I genuinely think you don’t. You appear to be making a conclusion on a clip. I read his book and found it to be very interesting and informative.
@@HostileTakeover555 Actually, I watched several clips and the guy is just not that insightful or intelligent. It seems he hangs his hat on being brave enough to challenge the liberal establishment in academia, but at the same time his positions are just as irrational and superficial as theirs. Also, I can tell Lex is taking it easy on him and not giving him as much push back as he could.
@@jasonmartin7798 - It is brave. Anyone who attempts to challenge any of it with logic, reason, and facts is very much in danger of their lives being destroyed. I know this because someone attempted to do that to me after providing factual information on a social media post. They reached out to my clients and attempted to destroy my career. Fortunately, everything I said was legitimate and back up by facts. If it could happen to me, it could happen to everyone so I’m grateful he’s willing to stand up and push back.
Perhaps Lex didn’t push back as much as he should have or maybe this wasn’t Murray’s best performance but I’ve seen other things he’s said and read his book and think his points and perspective are very good.
@@HostileTakeover555 Thank you for your service, brave diffuser of facts and logic. 🫡🤣🤣🤣.
- we should be humble. dos that include him i wonder ?😄
The English word _critical_ has several meanings, including _indispensable_ and _vital._ I'm rather flattered that these ideologues are calling us white people the Critical Race.
They aren't but whatever makes you feel good I guess.
lol no hunny
White race is critical! But also terrified of losing power....how does that work?
No they're not ... it refers to criticality in the sense of scholarly criticism, i.e. judgment. It's not all about you! 😅
@@liamdevine8063 They aren't? His joke aside, if one group were responsible for "keeping others down" and "oppressing them" through structures that are racist, I'd say that group would be pretty damn critical to the whole exercise, no?
lex , very dissapointing guest
Wtf lex. None of your friends should be activists gets a laugh. Yaeh , dont let things change, dont let people affect powerstructures. Nobody should study history that shows how longterm racism has affected usa ? No pushback. Gtfo
Lol can someone explain his comment that all humanity subjects should be shut down? Nothing good has ever come out of studying homosexuality or gender studies? Can someone explain?