We bought a 2014 Nissan Leaf about a month ago and absolutely love it! We’ve worked out that we’re saving a minimum of £150 per month and at that rate the car will have paid for itself in under five years. We’re kicking ourselves because we didn’t do this sooner. Anyone doubting electric cars really need to sit down and do the math!
I paid £9.5 K for my Leaf 2 years ago and its still worth that now (big demand for EV's not enough supply). After 34 K miles its showing 97.8% SOH (yes I do the 20 -80% thing and the occasional blast and rapid charge which I have found does wonders for SOH). In the last 2 years its probably saved me £7k over running my old SUV. Nothing has gone wrong in that time and all I have had to do is replace the wiper blades and the tyres. Within its range limitation it is the most reliable and cheapest to run car I have ever owned.
My 2014 Leaf 24 has done 90750 km and is at 91.6% SOH. Great car, but short 80->20% range in snowy Swedish winter, only about 50km in highway speed. Just about half of summer range.
Yes, this is amazing. I calculated that I spent on my SUV over $10,000 USD in gas over last 5 years. My new 40kWh Leaf doesn't cost me anything to charge. I have solar panels on the roof , I charge at work for free and we got a charge card for 3 years of free charge all over USA . Can't beat that :)
Good presentation of comparison of numbers. Love the sign over your shoulder which says, People who say, it can not be Done, Should not interrupt those who are doing it.
No doubt about it - Electric Drive is a superior technology. As soon as the charging infrastructure gets built out and the manufacturers get going on EV's in every type and model, combustion engines will be going the way of the dodo bird.
the infrastructure is already there, it just needs to keep growing as the size of the ownership grows too. It doesnt need to grow as quick as you would think as range increases the rapids will get used less. for instance my 24 leaf needed 7x 20min stops to go from bournemouth to hull, our new 40kWh leaf will do it easily in 2 stops.
The charging infrastructure is booming there are more charging points now in the U.K. than petrol bowsers so another false statement, if you live in a house that has no driveway I agree installation of charging points by councils which is happening slowly but it is happening. Also workplace need to allow charging point a 3pin is sufficient while parked for 8 hours.
There is a chance your Leaf will appreciate. EVs will become more desirable as more people see the advantages to them. However, the motor industry is being slow to satisfy that desire and there is a limited second hand market. My 2015 Zoe was £4500 at end PCP March last year. A similar model is now £6190 to £8280 on Autotrader
Another informative video Ryan, thanks for constantly giving us great content. I used to own a Mazda 6 up until around 8 years ago until I managed to write it off 😢. It was a great car for it's time and wish I still had it as a second car, however not a patch on my recent second hand Leaf I bought. Had it 3 months now and took my 1st long trip from London to Sheffield recently. A bit nervous about using Ecotricity for the first time but all went well and total cost of return journey was..... SEVEN QUID! Recharged 4 times and they only charged me once. Happy Days!
Crazy to see the petrol cost. In the US for my 40 mpg car with a 1.4L turbo I pay about $30 (£24) for a tank that can go about 450 miles. Even still our LEAF as a second car is still under a third of the per mile cost of the gas car with that cheap fuel.
ok ill buy new for example honda civic 1,8 for 22k gbp and nissan leaf for 33k...and 11k difference ucan use on tax road and petrol ? and u have petrol for 9 years :D si price of petrol will bno bother u anymore xD
Good stuff, Ryan! A very fair assessment/comparison. There’s a lot of people who would think that your battery will self destruct within 5 years, and you’d lose all of your savings, plus some, to replace a depleted battery. Your use case demonstrates that you don’t even have to be careful (battery charging) for your battery to have a long life, and their concerns about a short lifespan are unfounded. 9% degradation on a 24 kWh battery is quite impressive!
Dennis Lyon I used to be surprised but now have no concerns. Of course the manufacturers will advocate taking steps to protect it but I can’t afford to with such a small battery. It’s fantastic 😁👍
Nice.. I have Nissan LEAF 2017 30kWh .. So far, it's doing good for me too.. hope I can keep up the SoH like yours.. it's about two years old now, and above 95% SoH...
In New Zealand petrol is now $2.40/l (about 1.60 pounds). I have had my 30kWh LEAF (bought second hand for equivalent of about 16000 pounds) for less than 2 years and saved over NZ$10,000 in petrol (5500pounds) going 20,000km (mostly stuck on the parking lot(motorway) which chews through petrol but uses virtually no power in the electric). I have spent $2 on a fob battery. My petrol car in the same time has gone 2000km and cost $1000 in petrol and $1000 in repairs. My LEAF will have paid for itself on petrol alone in about 4 years total, never mind the savings in repairs and maintenance. And it is so much more fun to drive with the instant torque.
Thanks Ryan. The comparison could hardly be more weighted against EV's than that, so it's a good demonstration of the economics of Leaf ownership. Battery production prices are falling, and battery longevity is improving. Even if you have to replace a battery at today's prices, you're still not losing out as much as you do when buying a fossil car. People forget that engines need replacing, sometimes within 100,000 miles, and that's not even mentioning the maintenance/replacement of peripheral components. Then there is the Vehicle Excise Duty saving of almost £600 in the past 4 years.
RWBHere people can be very selective with their comparisons. I just wanted to see what it actually costs as it’s important for us as a family to have the nose economic option. Thankfully we have 😁👍
Exactly. Andy, Electric Vehicle Man, has released a video about about EV insurance, and he highlights _the reasons why_ EV premiums are higher, thus showing clearly the wrong viewpoints which many people have when comparing costs. For us, it's a no-brainer that our next car will be an EV, but only when we scrap our very low-annual mileage fossil..
RWBHere I haven’t seen his video you, but will watch it. Personally speaking my insurance hasn’t changed on the EV from an ICE car. I’d like to understand the circumstances of some of the people who have seen big hikes and see what the reason is 🤔
Thank you so much for sharing. We are looking for an ev at the moment. In DK we also pay a lot in taxes for a petrol car £400 a year, compared to an ev £60 a year.
An important thing to note is that most of that cost saving is due to you not paying the huge fuel duty. I can almost guarantee when electric vehicles become more mainstream they will massively hike road tax to try and recover as much of the £5000+ in tax you are not giving them now. Enjoy the golden age whilst it lasts.
MRH I understand what you are saying, but many people will use solar power to generate their own electricity. Furthermore there are more and more off peak tariffs available to make the cost much lower than 13 p per kWh. Anything which helps keep you from the clutches of big oil is a winner for me. It's also a good reason to keep away from hydrogen as the main fuel as this will probably be dominated by big oil suppliers.
@@stephenshannon3706 Hi, I think you misread my comment. They will increase road tax which is a separate tax to recover the loss in fuel duties. The price of charging your electric car may remain cheap, but the cost of using the roads won't be in the near future (at least for new owners).
Given the telematics in eVs they just pull data from your car and bill you by usage, in the UK they have put the idea forward for charging by road type and time of day travelling. The modern Dick Turpin! Stand and deliver 🤪
Nice video, thanks. I've had a Leaf 30 for 18 months & a Leaf 24 for 18 months before that and, while I don't count it up, it's cost me next to nothing to run. I begrudge & permanently keep under review my £7.85 Polar subscription as bad value, for what I use, but when you need it you need it & really it's only just over a gallon of diesel a month. Sadly, the price of EVs has rocketed due to shortages in supply of batteries vs demand. Almost no EV is available without a 9 to 18 month wait and no discounts mean prices start at £30k-£40k. The knock on is that 2nd hand EVs are artificially expensive and mine is still worth what I paid for it 18 months ago. At some point, when supply meets demand, 2nd hand value will plummet, but it may be some years off (strangely, I hope not!).
inkpen1999 I agree with you wholeheartedly. The market is crazy at the moment. I also consider my Polar subscription a waste but as you said, when you need it it’s invaluable 👍
We also need to consider the cost difference between an electric and nonelectric car that is being paid upfront. That will give gasoline cars some advantage by having the cost difference to finance gas prices. May consider this as 'Free gas'
I had a 2013 Mazda 6 as well and upgraded to an Ioniq EV last year. Almost 19,000 km in 15 months of ownership and hate driving the other Mazda 3 when we need to use 2 cars. We try to use the EV as much as possible and let the Mazda 3 sit in the driveway. In my town free charging is available so I charge mostly using free electricity during the work week or at nearby stations. I've probably paid about $10 charging at home when it was needed.
Hi there thanks for the detailed costs review, I do a 37mile each way trip to work 5 days a week, on a 30kw Leaf would that be okay during the winter? I know its alot of milage but I've factored in the cost of a 40kw battery upgrade at £8k after 100k miles or later depending when battery degrades below 90miles an its still cheaper than running a BMW 320D even when I get 800miles per £60 fill up. I will still have a Venga on ice for longer trips that are time dependent and also if battery degrades quicker than I save then the other half can use it till saved enough for the new battery.
Let's do another video in a few years when the battery needs to be replaced on the Leaf. The comparison would have been better if instead of a Mazda 6 you used a Mazda 3 or Toyota Corolla. Plus add in resale values on the Leaf vs Mazda or Toyota. I am not in the UK but the price of gas is ridiculously high in the UK. I get your point that the battery would probably last longer in the UK as you don't have extreme hot or cold weather in the UK. It just rains a lot. I vacationed in the UK a few years ago, beautiful countries. So much history. If I lived there my choice of vehicle would be a restored MGB or Mazda Miata. These would be the perfect cars for the British countryside, with the narrow roads. The one thing I appreciated was that the roadside curbs were very small in height, if they had not been I would have ruined the tires and rims on the rental car.
Thanks for that. I use Charge your Car in North East England. £20 per year for RFID card most chargers free but some charge £1 to plug in but if you stay for a couple of hours shopping even in a 24kwh Leaf you get 30 miles range increase. Re battery degredation there will be places in the near future where you replace individual cells not the entire battery and if you give up small part of your boot you may be able to bolt on another 10-20 kwh to your Leaf especially when there are better batteries. Cheers Tom
Tom Robson I have seen a few places talking about doing that but nothing mass produced yet. It would be great to get a replacement and add a few extra miles👍
EVs are still such a small percentage of the market share that their costs are coming down as mass manufacturing of parts and assembly increases. This will reach a point, however, where the costs rapidly increase as lithium consumption soars.
Think yours maybe something of an outlier regarding battery capacity loss. 91% after 4 years & 50K miles seems VERY good! My LEAF is now over 5 years old but only done 50K kilometers and has lost two segments. That said, I use solely CHADEMO chargers and Japanese summer is much hotter than UK, so those may be big factors.
Interesting, I have thought of getting an older Leaf as a second car - I do enough long runs that mean that if I only have one car I need a recent EV with >250 mile range as our sole vehicle which looks like a £30k+ cost - or I need a 2nd probably older legacy car for long runs. If I already own that older car I could use it for the short runs too but might only get 30MPG costing about £1k p.a. for 5k miles p.a. so a Leaf can only save me a maximum of £1k p.a. My conclusion is that EVs might make financial sense for people who buy (or PCP) new vehicles but for the 80% who let others take the initial depreciation hit, we are still some way off.
Great video, ties in with others who have mentioned running costs of an EV are cheaper. I love my Ioniq even if I've only had it a month so far. Would your mugs be purchaseable separately if someone couldn't afford say being a $10/month patron?
Thanks interesting food for thought. I hope I'm as lucky with my batteries. My 2018 Nissan Leaf is 13 months old and my SOH. 94.83, which is a little concerning.
I've heard mixed reviews on the battery life of the newer Leafs oh, some say the degradation exceeds the previous generations problems and other say that there is a initial Spike followed by a much slower decline. I don't know what the terms on your warranty are, but hopefully your battery will hit the dead point shortly before the warranty runs out and you will get a fresh battery on a paid off car.
If the degradation gets too bad you should be covered under the manufacturer warranty, just pay close attention to it and if things start getting close maybe get a little more aggressive with the rapid charging, that way you can skunk your battery before the warranty is up and get a fresh battery at the end of your warranty.
my 40 LEAF at 18000 miles showed no degradation at its service. I use mainly home charging , much of it at 3kw. My cost per mile for fuel is 3.5 ppm . The cost per mile for my Petrol C3 is 12.8 ppm. Both have similar service costs, no road Tax , and even similar depreciation. When I checked my previous LEAF 24 using leafspy at 36000 miles I found it to claim much more degradation than the on the road mileage , (the only measurement that matters) showed.
Personally I think a ~9% drop in ~50,000 miles is spooky for those who plan to do that type of 50,000 mileage in shorter ~3 year time frames . That looks to be a large ~20% for 100,000 miles in ~6 years for those type of users and ~8 years for your type of use ~100,000 miles in that time frame . On a 24 KW pack that a big drop in mileage especially in winter time with heaters on . For you local city run about doing ~50,000 miles over 10 years that is interesting cheaper motoring story . Realistically Your 50,000 miles in five years is banging on the outer limits of usability of the LEAF car with a ~24 Kilowatt battery pack . The newer 40 Kilowatt battery leaf Probably can be able to close this milage loss gap better for higher mileage drivers . Thanks for your useful real world info . If a suitable 24 kilowatt leaf with less than 50,000 miles comes on the market second hand for less than ~€2000 euros I might buy it to replace my 2000 era Yaris that get ~40 MPG (UK gallon ) that costs me buttons to run each year .
Ok I am curious, I had a 2014 Leaf with one bar degradation. So my state of health could have been anywhere between 93% down to 87%. I never bothered with leafspy etc. All I know is I had one bar gone. I also saw that the exact 10 mile route traveled was still costing me only about 10% discharge on average. So all signs were the battery was in great shape capacity-wise. But here is the deal, when I finally put my leaf to the test and traveled over 67 miles round trip. I realized I had consumed almost exactly 100% energy capacity (recharged to 80% halfway and did the number crunching to come up with 100% used when I got home). So my 24kwh battery went from 87mi. when it was new to 67 miles max range 5 years later and one bar gone (this was better than I predicted 5 years ago). I noticed you mention nothing about your current max actual range. Really curious if you will test this out. BTW losing a bar doesn't surprise me due to avg temps in the summer being in the 90Fs here on the SE coast of the US. FYI I just traded-in my old leaf for a new 62kWh Eplus and I love it. I just wish Nissan would treat the SL as a flagship car and match it to the maxima for interior/exterior features/quality.
The first and last bar are not equal to the rest. Once you've lost your first bar, you're below 85% SOH. So really with 1 bar gone, your true capacity was somewhere between 78.75% and 85%. First Bar = 15% bars 2 through 12 = 6.25% each loss of last bar (0 remaining) means you have roughly 16% of capacity left.
@@dalex1 Interesting, back in 2014 when I researched the bars, the assumption was around 7-8% per the first few bars. In any case, I got my money's worth out of the car. Contrary to what was said in the video, State of charge needs to be as close to a 50% avg state of charge level to maximize the life of the batteries. Age in the end will be the biggest factor for degradation.
Hello Ryan, enjoyed the video as always. Re servicing, I just wonder if you ever checked the top strut mounting on the drivers side ? I only became aware of the corrosion problem last week, and when I checked it was full of water and muck and little bit of corrosion evident. Have a 64 Leaf with 70,000 miles and 90% SOH.
Yes, I don't think he bought the car for £10,000. It has cost that *plus* whatever the PCP was. It's worth what you can sell it for. £9k perhaps? Much less if you trade in. £8500? Deprecation has to have been @£4k per year so far.
Hi i have a 2016 kia soul and the gas prices are going through the roof. Would it be good idea to finance a brand new leaf if your were to consider battery degradation.
also; comment re Battery. EV Batteries are actively being recycled and reused. There's a trade in value if you ever need to replace it or at the end of life. Currently EV's generate good values EoL.
I asked my self to from time to time too, that theoretical I could replace the battery by the saved fuel costs one day. But another voice in my head asks me if it was better to replace my 24 kw leaf one day by an ev with a longer range? Anyway I keep my petrol car in spare as "range extender" for some trips to the relatives where we could not reach within one charge. Maybe a better supply with quick charger in Germany, especially on country roads, will be a solution.
My 2012 Rav4 has 150000Kms , I get 11.5L/100Kms and gas is $1.30L Avg ($2.20 atm). (150000/100)x11.5 = 17,250 Liters 17250L X $1.30 = $22,425cad. To put that into perspective I payed $27,500cad all in for it in 2012. p.s. Oh yeah Im picking up a 2023 Leaf next month p.p.s. those are conservative numbers its more like 12.5L/100 and $1.38 avg
I have the 24 kW leaf although done 66000 miles and had a few problems with it. Anyway my battery at 50000 was about the same expect to lose a bar at 60000 plus. Only hassle is you need to charge more often. Make sure you extend your warranty leaf parts are expensive new. Wouldn't buy a leaf again but will definately buy an electric car probably a Tesla.
Imagine what owning a leaf in Northern Ireland having free charging in public , 4 years before mot so even better and petrol more expensive on average, no brainer
ah wait th-cam.com/video/NE0D7RAOecE/w-d-xo.html £219 per month with £1000 down and I need to do 20000 a year, sigh :) Probably good value compared to another new car to be fair but older used cars non-electric are still probably much cheaper by the looks if you're a high mileage driver.
Real cost of ownership calculation would include all spendings minus residual value of the car if selling today. I have a Nissan Versa Note 2017 with 52k km and the cost of fuel is about 15% of total cost of ownership. Yes an electric car is technologically more advanced, saves energy and is better for the environment. But cost is not so clear cut...
Matt Walker great news😁👍Thank you. I know I have the link in my descriptions but I still struggle asking for money on video. It feels a bit wrong😳. That said others do it and seem to do very well so perhaps I should just get over it. Thanks again for your support 😁👍
i wonder how it would compare if you had bought a new micra at the same time which is a similar car, you could then make it a total cost of ownership calculation
Hang on, you leased the Leaf for 4 years before you paid the residual of $10,000. That means, you paid around 400 pounds a month, for 4 years - so you wore all the depreciation from about 50,000 pounds. That makes the fuel/electricity savings look worthless. You could have bought a 30,0000 pound ICE vehicle, paid the extra on fuel, and still come out way ahead.
Ray Watson you are kind of right. I actually only paid £219 a month for it over 3.5 years so much the same as an ICE car but the deals were much better back then. As I described in the video a 2nd hand one would find the best savings! It remains a personal choice and you ha e to work out if it suits you and your budget but hopefully this shows you what can be saved over 50k miles and will help you with that decision 👍
The comment related to the State Of Health of the battery. A 24kWh when new has a useable 22.1kwh so at 90% I expect it should be holding roughly 19.8kWh when fully charged. A 8 to 10 mile reduction of maximum range after 50,000.
Ensuring that they can't weasel out of the warranty, which given the cost of battery replacement in the United States being around 8 Grand and likely to be even more expensive for the newer Electrics it may well be worth it to maintain that extra security blanket of oh no you don't.
mrspeigle1 hmmm, that makes sense , unfortunately for your wallet. They do have an elaborate cooling system for the inverters and stuff. I wonder how the laws are regarding warranty repairs and maintenance where are you are compared to USA.
Although there is less to do with the electric motor side of the car , it still remains a complicated motor vehicle underneath. Brakes, Tyres, heating and cooling systems , seat belt security, suspension systems, wipers, lighting and so on. All the same as any other car at service time. And a complimentary cup of coffee. What price you pay depends on you. For contrast, My Landrover cost me £130 for a service in 1991, My LEAF cost me £125 a few weeks ago.
As a USA ASE certified master tech for 25 years now it’s a real shame to see these cars being kicked to the curb with only 50 to 70,000 miles on their odometer because of their batteries when the overall structure and build could easily exceed 300,000 miles
gene mayne you obviously have a point as I’ve heard it said several times. My own personal experience is different. So far it hasn’t cost me any more. I tend to shop around and change my insurance every year, which is frustrating. Why can’t insurance companies reward loyal customers?
@@EVOpinion In my experience auto insurance companies do the exact opposit of rewarding loyal customers, who they tend to think of as suckers who don't check to see if they are paying too much. And people who have gone too long without a claim who think they have some sort of business relationship can still have their coverage outright cancelled for the smallest infraction, like a seatbelt violation. It matters not how long they have been customers, or how many rate increases they have had.
From my research in the US, the tesla's are the only ones getting insane insurance costs. This is due to the luxury status as well as how expensive replacement parts are. I was pleasantly surprised to see my insurance rates go down when I bought my 2019 E-plus coming from a 2014 Leaf. I have a feeling insurance companies are getting access to the driving info of the LEAFs that Nissan corp historically tracks and keeps. It's the only reason that explains why I wasn't asked about my intended driving habits (daily mileage, etc) for the new car and also explains how I got a refund in my premium which was minimum coverage for my 2014 to my full coverage of the 2019 car. Crazy times we live in.
Darryl of Sussex Most cars will suffer considerable depreciation, but perhaps the tide is turning where in future fossil fuel led cars will suffer worse depreciation
graeme taylor hopefully electric will be ok, after all we can generate our own but tax will have to be addressed. As long as it’s a fair system I think we’ll all be happy 👍
Always an interesting chat to watch. My 2014 has done 57,000 mines and it's health is 92%. I personally don't worry too much about the battery. I've yet to calculate my savings, but I'm sure it's going to be similar. :)
As a mechanic who loves EVs: You're dead right that EV's do generally require much less maintenance than ICE cars, but some people believe they literally require no maintenance or servicing, and that is setting yourself up for disappointment. Not that any of these items need attention all that regularly, but some of the things that I usually check when servicing an EV (depending on mileage and age) are: Coolant level and condition, cabin filter, tyre condition, tyre pressure, brake pads, brake rotors, suspension bushes and ball joints, gearbox oil, HV battery condition, 12v battery condition. Some places go way overboard though, to the point of being criminal in my opinion. Selling "special EV services" where they claim to check all kinds of things, and I've heard of some places recommending having the A/C system serviced EVERY YEAR in order to make sure it isn't overworking and reducing your range.. That's absurd! Many of these things can be checked by the owner if they have the knowledge and want to do it themselves, but many owners either don't know what to look for, or would simply rather pay a professional to do it instead.
@@sebastiansteel9860 soo basically nothing to service that you can't do on your own 👌 I could check all that myself. For EG ice car, a cam belt service id go to a dealer, but for anything thing else I'd do it myself :) unless it's enteral engine components, but then that being Said not many people have time to do checks, soo I can see both sides of the coin.
sebastian frances I think it’s playing on people’s fears with dubious marketing! Thank goodness we live in an age of social media where we have all the info we need to make informed decisions. Thanks for your comment😁👍
@@Chappers.Gaming Sure, if you're comfortable doing a of that then good for you. That however, doesn't apply to a majority of the general public. If you're that mechanically inclined then why wouldn't you do your own cam belt replacement? The procedure for almost any vehicle can be found online. What procedure do you use to check a suspension bush or ball joint? You don't even have to answer, my point is simply that even with something simple yet incredibly important like brake pads, not everyone has the knowledge to differentiate between the backing plate and the friction material, let alone assess whether the current condition of the entire system is safe or not. EVs don't require much maintenance, but in my opinion every vehicle should be inspected by someone with appropriate knowledge, ideally every 6 months, or 12 at the very most, to ensure it is safe for road use, and not at risk of premature failure.
A flawed comparison. 1. You didn't actually drive the miles mentioned in the other car you own so you could have compared it to any car out there. It made no sense. 2. If you had driven the same distance in your other car I would say that your repair bill would be much higher. A good comparison would have been to include purchase price and compare it to a ice vehicle which is closer related such as a Toyota hybrid. That would have been interesting.
tigertoo01 I have driven 120k miles in the other car so know it inside out. If you look back through my videos you will see some other comparison with like cars but as I said in this video I didn’t want to get into a load of ‘what ifs?’ This is my experiences and my figures for your info. You can do as you please with them 👍
Yep , we have more expensive fuel in average than Australia. £1.30 at the moment for a litre of petrol. So a 60L take will cost £78-80 from empty to full ..
Shane apologies if I’ve missed your point but I would have bought a new car anyway so the debt is there but not relevant to this comparison. As I said in the video. If you are considering the difference between a EV and ICE to buy new then factor in the different price and depreciation 👍
Well I am a little disappointed like you I have done nothing to look after the battery I put on charge every night I dovuse the battery down to between 50 and 70 percent most week days and as low as 20 percent two to three times per month. My Leaf is a thirty kilowatt version and I have done 42000 miles and have noticed today I only have 11bars so I guess my battery is 85 percent or less. Last year at the service it was over 90 percent. I can only believe as an ex demonstrator it was constantly charged on fast chargers for the first 12months 10000 miles of its life at Nissan dealership. It only been serviced by Nissan and this is my third year of ownership. It's a 2016 model. I guess they are all different.
I want to get an electric car. Unfortunately, here in America, we get a fraction of what Europe gets as far as EVs go...and our green infrastructure is shite. I mean it’s really bad. Unless you own a house where you can install your own 240v charger to charge your car overnight...good luck finding a fast charging station on the street. I live in the suburbs of New York and there are like 3 super charging stations on all of Long island! THREE. It’s really embarrassing how the rest of the world hav e. Left America in their rearview mirror when it comes to investing in green tech & infrastructure. Ours is practically non existent. But what do we expect when our President doesn’t believe in science or climate change, stares at solar eclipses without protective glasses and thinks windmills cause cancer! 🤦♂️ HOPEFULLY in November that will all change. 🤞
If you drive new cars, then depreciation is by far the largest item most of us will see. I drive less than 6,000 miles a year and spend less than $900 a year on gasoline (petrol) with gas prices in the U.S. about $3.30 per gallon or $0.86 per liter. Tires should be about the same cost for EVs or ICE. I lease a 2017 Volvo XC60 for about $7,000 per year, if I were leasing any similar EV, the cost of energy is almost insignificant compared to the lease cost.
Fred Zlotnick with the low mileage you do it would be difficult to make the numbers balance at this point. Let’s hope the costs drop soon and it becomes an option for you 😁👍
This comparison is utter codswallop. The most expensive cost is depreciation. You have compared an apple with a pear. A leaf performs like a sub one litre car. You are delusional and misleading taking comparison costs with a on old two litre. Shame on you.
alastair inglis I felt I addressed the depreciation issue and as mentioned if you buy 2nd hand you don’t consider that at all (in fact EVs are appreciating at the moment!). The comparison is a personal one based on facts that I know to be true. Better that than a lot of ‘what ifs?’ I would urge you to test drive a EV before you make any further sweeping comments. You will then see that a Leaf is in no way comparable to a 1l petrol car. As I always say they aren’t for everyone but please keep an open mind. If the difference wasn’t so great I wouldn’t be driving one 👍
We bought a 2014 Nissan Leaf about a month ago and absolutely love it! We’ve worked out that we’re saving a minimum of £150 per month and at that rate the car will have paid for itself in under five years. We’re kicking ourselves because we didn’t do this sooner. Anyone doubting electric cars really need to sit down and do the math!
I paid £9.5 K for my Leaf 2 years ago and its still worth that now (big demand for EV's not enough supply). After 34 K miles its showing 97.8% SOH (yes I do the 20 -80% thing and the occasional blast and rapid charge which I have found does wonders for SOH). In the last 2 years its probably saved me £7k over running my old SUV. Nothing has gone wrong in that time and all I have had to do is replace the wiper blades and the tyres. Within its range limitation it is the most reliable and cheapest to run car I have ever owned.
My 2014 Leaf 24 has done 90750 km and is at 91.6% SOH. Great car, but short 80->20% range in snowy Swedish winter, only about 50km in highway speed. Just about half of summer range.
Yes, this is amazing. I calculated that I spent on my SUV over $10,000 USD in gas over last 5 years. My new 40kWh Leaf doesn't cost me anything to charge. I have solar panels on the roof , I charge at work for free and we got a charge card for 3 years of free charge all over USA . Can't beat that :)
OMG, the fuel savings alone is enough to get a new battery for your EV. Crazy. Thanks for posting.
Good presentation of comparison of numbers.
Love the sign over your shoulder which says,
People who say, it can not be Done,
Should not interrupt those who are doing it.
No doubt about it - Electric Drive is a superior technology. As soon as the charging infrastructure gets built out and the manufacturers get going on EV's in every type and model, combustion engines will be going the way of the dodo bird.
the infrastructure is already there, it just needs to keep growing as the size of the ownership grows too. It doesnt need to grow as quick as you would think as range increases the rapids will get used less.
for instance my 24 leaf needed 7x 20min stops to go from bournemouth to hull, our new 40kWh leaf will do it easily in 2 stops.
The charging infrastructure is booming there are more charging points now in the U.K. than petrol bowsers so another false statement, if you live in a house that has no driveway I agree installation of charging points by councils which is happening slowly but it is happening. Also workplace need to allow charging point a 3pin is sufficient while parked for 8 hours.
or consider the nissan e-power, its technically an ev but doesnt need a charging infrastructure
Both of it were cause by humans too
There is a chance your Leaf will appreciate. EVs will become more desirable as more people see the advantages to them. However, the motor industry is being slow to satisfy that desire and there is a limited second hand market. My 2015 Zoe was £4500 at end PCP March last year. A similar model is now £6190 to £8280 on Autotrader
Another informative video Ryan, thanks for constantly giving us great content. I used to own a Mazda 6 up until around 8 years ago until I managed to write it off 😢. It was a great car for it's time and wish I still had it as a second car, however not a patch on my recent second hand Leaf I bought. Had it 3 months now and took my 1st long trip from London to Sheffield recently. A bit nervous about using Ecotricity for the first time but all went well and total cost of return journey was..... SEVEN QUID! Recharged 4 times and they only charged me once. Happy Days!
John Joyce amazing. 😁👍
Another great video I've got a env200 just done 42k in 26 months and love it. Best regards Mark
I've an Env200 too. 7 seater, not done 10k yet. love mine too.
Can’t believe you still have 12 bars on your leaf - that’s good going ! 👍🏻
SuperNano2020 I’m impressed too. It isn’t looked after. Just driven and charged every day 😁👍
EV Opinion yeh really good.
Wouldn’t mind chatting more - don’t think we live far from each other !
SuperNano2020 evopinion@outlook.com drop me a line 😁👍
Crazy to see the petrol cost. In the US for my 40 mpg car with a 1.4L turbo I pay about $30 (£24) for a tank that can go about 450 miles. Even still our LEAF as a second car is still under a third of the per mile cost of the gas car with that cheap fuel.
ok ill buy new for example honda civic 1,8 for 22k gbp and nissan leaf for 33k...and 11k difference ucan use on tax road and petrol ? and u have petrol for 9 years :D si price of petrol will bno bother u anymore xD
Good stuff, Ryan! A very fair assessment/comparison. There’s a lot of people who would think that your battery will self destruct within 5 years, and you’d lose all of your savings, plus some, to replace a depleted battery. Your use case demonstrates that you don’t even have to be careful (battery charging) for your battery to have a long life, and their concerns about a short lifespan are unfounded. 9% degradation on a 24 kWh battery is quite impressive!
Dennis Lyon I used to be surprised but now have no concerns. Of course the manufacturers will advocate taking steps to protect it but I can’t afford to with such a small battery. It’s fantastic 😁👍
Nice.. I have Nissan LEAF 2017 30kWh .. So far, it's doing good for me too.. hope I can keep up the SoH like yours.. it's about two years old now, and above 95% SoH...
Charged ours on DCFC 650 times; 95% SOH after 36,000 miles. Far better than the 40kWh (which we now have).
I don't fancy a coffee right now. Can I still watch?
Lee Smith you certainly can. Something a little stronger perhaps🤫
In New Zealand petrol is now $2.40/l (about 1.60 pounds). I have had my 30kWh LEAF (bought second hand for equivalent of about 16000 pounds) for less than 2 years and saved over NZ$10,000 in petrol (5500pounds) going 20,000km (mostly stuck on the parking lot(motorway) which chews through petrol but uses virtually no power in the electric). I have spent $2 on a fob battery. My petrol car in the same time has gone 2000km and cost $1000 in petrol and $1000 in repairs. My LEAF will have paid for itself on petrol alone in about 4 years total, never mind the savings in repairs and maintenance. And it is so much more fun to drive with the instant torque.
Thanks Ryan. The comparison could hardly be more weighted against EV's than that, so it's a good demonstration of the economics of Leaf ownership. Battery production prices are falling, and battery longevity is improving. Even if you have to replace a battery at today's prices, you're still not losing out as much as you do when buying a fossil car. People forget that engines need replacing, sometimes within 100,000 miles, and that's not even mentioning the maintenance/replacement of peripheral components. Then there is the Vehicle Excise Duty saving of almost £600 in the past 4 years.
RWBHere people can be very selective with their comparisons. I just wanted to see what it actually costs as it’s important for us as a family to have the nose economic option. Thankfully we have 😁👍
Exactly. Andy, Electric Vehicle Man, has released a video about about EV insurance, and he highlights _the reasons why_ EV premiums are higher, thus showing clearly the wrong viewpoints which many people have when comparing costs.
For us, it's a no-brainer that our next car will be an EV, but only when we scrap our very low-annual mileage fossil..
RWBHere I haven’t seen his video you, but will watch it. Personally speaking my insurance hasn’t changed on the EV from an ICE car. I’d like to understand the circumstances of some of the people who have seen big hikes and see what the reason is 🤔
Love your work mate!
a good offhand rough way to convert GBP to dollars is to just add 30% to the number, since that's right about where the conversion hovers.
Great video again cant wait to get my ev
Kevin Kelly thank you. Have you bought one yet or decided on what to buy?
@@EVOpinion really like the Kia soul but waiting for the price of the mg
Very useful and helpful data. Thank you for sharing and going to the trouble.
Driving 2000 miles in my leaf only costed 18 dollars, It's amazing!!!
Thank you so much for sharing. We are looking for an ev at the moment. In DK we also pay a lot in taxes for a petrol car £400 a year, compared to an ev £60 a year.
An important thing to note is that most of that cost saving is due to you not paying the huge fuel duty. I can almost guarantee when electric vehicles become more mainstream they will massively hike road tax to try and recover as much of the £5000+ in tax you are not giving them now. Enjoy the golden age whilst it lasts.
MRH I understand what you are saying, but many people will use solar power to generate their own electricity. Furthermore there are more and more off peak tariffs available to make the cost much lower than 13 p per kWh. Anything which helps keep you from the clutches of big oil is a winner for me. It's also a good reason to keep away from hydrogen as the main fuel as this will probably be dominated by big oil suppliers.
Renewable energy is the key. The more we can generate for ourselves the better but MRH is right. The tax will have to come from somewhere.
@@stephenshannon3706 Hi, I think you misread my comment. They will increase road tax which is a separate tax to recover the loss in fuel duties. The price of charging your electric car may remain cheap, but the cost of using the roads won't be in the near future (at least for new owners).
Given the telematics in eVs they just pull data from your car and bill you by usage, in the UK they have put the idea forward for charging by road type and time of day travelling.
The modern Dick Turpin! Stand and deliver 🤪
As long as the system is fair then I think we’ll all be happy to pay. Anything has to be better than the current system 🤔
I think the key thing to consider is when you go electric you can look into cheaper tariffs instead of driving looking for the cheapest pumps.
Nice video, thanks. I've had a Leaf 30 for 18 months & a Leaf 24 for 18 months before that and, while I don't count it up, it's cost me next to nothing to run. I begrudge & permanently keep under review my £7.85 Polar subscription as bad value, for what I use, but when you need it you need it & really it's only just over a gallon of diesel a month. Sadly, the price of EVs has rocketed due to shortages in supply of batteries vs demand. Almost no EV is available without a 9 to 18 month wait and no discounts mean prices start at £30k-£40k. The knock on is that 2nd hand EVs are artificially expensive and mine is still worth what I paid for it 18 months ago. At some point, when supply meets demand, 2nd hand value will plummet, but it may be some years off (strangely, I hope not!).
inkpen1999 I agree with you wholeheartedly. The market is crazy at the moment. I also consider my Polar subscription a waste but as you said, when you need it it’s invaluable 👍
You have forgot road tax on the mazda . Great video
lol road taxes love that joke
Whats a road tax? Where do you have that?
@@davidbeaulieu4815it's got to be a joke theres no such thing as a road tax as far as I know of
@@raven4k998 OK VED then
@@cjmillsnunok I dare you to figure out what country has a Road Tax and share it so we can pity those poor people
Excellent presentation as usual
Eric Wadge thank you😁👍
Good video sir! My 2019 hit 💯 k miles
We also need to consider the cost difference between an electric and nonelectric car that is being paid upfront. That will give gasoline cars some advantage by having the cost difference to finance gas prices. May consider this as 'Free gas'
I had a 2013 Mazda 6 as well and upgraded to an Ioniq EV last year. Almost 19,000 km in 15 months of ownership and hate driving the other Mazda 3 when we need to use 2 cars. We try to use the EV as much as possible and let the Mazda 3 sit in the driveway. In my town free charging is available so I charge mostly using free electricity during the work week or at nearby stations. I've probably paid about $10 charging at home when it was needed.
Hi there thanks for the detailed costs review, I do a 37mile each way trip to work 5 days a week, on a 30kw Leaf would that be okay during the winter? I know its alot of milage but I've factored in the cost of a 40kw battery upgrade at £8k after 100k miles or later depending when battery degrades below 90miles an its still cheaper than running a BMW 320D even when I get 800miles per £60 fill up. I will still have a Venga on ice for longer trips that are time dependent and also if battery degrades quicker than I save then the other half can use it till saved enough for the new battery.
Let's do another video in a few years when the battery needs to be replaced on the Leaf. The comparison would have been better if instead of a Mazda 6 you used a Mazda 3 or Toyota Corolla. Plus add in resale values on the Leaf vs Mazda or Toyota. I am not in the UK but the price of gas is ridiculously high in the UK. I get your point that the battery would probably last longer in the UK as you don't have extreme hot or cold weather in the UK. It just rains a lot. I vacationed in the UK a few years ago, beautiful countries. So much history. If I lived there my choice of vehicle would be a restored MGB or Mazda Miata. These would be the perfect cars for the British countryside, with the narrow roads. The one thing I appreciated was that the roadside curbs were very small in height, if they had not been I would have ruined the tires and rims on the rental car.
Thanks for that. I use Charge your Car in North East England. £20 per year for RFID card most chargers free but some charge £1 to plug in but if you stay for a couple of hours shopping even in a 24kwh Leaf you get 30 miles range increase. Re battery degredation there will be places in the near future where you replace individual cells not the entire battery and if you give up small part of your boot you may be able to bolt on another 10-20 kwh to your Leaf especially when there are better batteries. Cheers Tom
Tom Robson I have seen a few places talking about doing that but nothing mass produced yet. It would be great to get a replacement and add a few extra miles👍
Excellent video!
Mike Little thank you 😁👍
EVs are still such a small percentage of the market share that their costs are coming down as mass manufacturing of parts and assembly increases. This will reach a point, however, where the costs rapidly increase as lithium consumption soars.
Think yours maybe something of an outlier regarding battery capacity loss. 91% after 4 years & 50K miles seems VERY good! My LEAF is now over 5 years old but only done 50K kilometers and has lost two segments. That said, I use solely CHADEMO chargers and Japanese summer is much hotter than UK, so those may be big factors.
Interesting, I have thought of getting an older Leaf as a second car - I do enough long runs that mean that if I only have one car I need a recent EV with >250 mile range as our sole vehicle which looks like a £30k+ cost - or I need a 2nd probably older legacy car for long runs. If I already own that older car I could use it for the short runs too but might only get 30MPG costing about £1k p.a. for 5k miles p.a. so a Leaf can only save me a maximum of £1k p.a. My conclusion is that EVs might make financial sense for people who buy (or PCP) new vehicles but for the 80% who let others take the initial depreciation hit, we are still some way off.
Awesome video, thanks
No problem 👍
The Numbers Never Lie :)
Daily the Nissan Leaf :D
Weekend the Miata ;)
Great video, ties in with others who have mentioned running costs of an EV are cheaper. I love my Ioniq even if I've only had it a month so far. Would your mugs be purchaseable separately if someone couldn't afford say being a $10/month patron?
Thanks interesting food for thought. I hope I'm as lucky with my batteries. My 2018 Nissan Leaf is 13 months old and my SOH. 94.83, which is a little concerning.
I've heard mixed reviews on the battery life of the newer Leafs oh, some say the degradation exceeds the previous generations problems and other say that there is a initial Spike followed by a much slower decline. I don't know what the terms on your warranty are, but hopefully your battery will hit the dead point shortly before the warranty runs out and you will get a fresh battery on a paid off car.
If the degradation gets too bad you should be covered under the manufacturer warranty, just pay close attention to it and if things start getting close maybe get a little more aggressive with the rapid charging, that way you can skunk your battery before the warranty is up and get a fresh battery at the end of your warranty.
I wonder if heavy and deep fast charging on hot days parked over a hot asphalt could have an effect
Definitely one to keep an eye on. I believe the occasional rapid charge will help it’s SOH.
my 40 LEAF at 18000 miles showed no degradation at its service. I use mainly home charging , much of it at 3kw.
My cost per mile for fuel is 3.5 ppm . The cost per mile for my Petrol C3 is 12.8 ppm.
Both have similar service costs, no road Tax , and even similar depreciation.
When I checked my previous LEAF 24 using leafspy at 36000 miles I found it to claim much more degradation than the on the road mileage , (the only measurement that matters) showed.
The cost is only $17 for the inspection
Interesting video thank you.
Personally I think a ~9% drop in ~50,000 miles is spooky for those who plan to do that type of 50,000 mileage in shorter ~3 year time frames . That looks to be a large ~20% for 100,000 miles in ~6 years for those type of users and ~8 years for your type of use ~100,000 miles in that time frame . On a 24 KW pack that a big drop in mileage especially in winter time with heaters on . For you local city run about doing ~50,000 miles over 10 years that is interesting cheaper motoring story . Realistically Your 50,000 miles in five years is banging on the outer limits of usability of the LEAF car with a ~24 Kilowatt battery pack . The newer 40 Kilowatt battery leaf Probably can be able to close this milage loss gap better for higher mileage drivers . Thanks for your useful real world info . If a suitable 24 kilowatt leaf with less than 50,000 miles comes on the market second hand for less than ~€2000 euros I might buy it to replace my 2000 era Yaris that get ~40 MPG (UK gallon ) that costs me buttons to run each year .
Ok I am curious, I had a 2014 Leaf with one bar degradation. So my state of health could have been anywhere between 93% down to 87%. I never bothered with leafspy etc. All I know is I had one bar gone. I also saw that the exact 10 mile route traveled was still costing me only about 10% discharge on average. So all signs were the battery was in great shape capacity-wise. But here is the deal, when I finally put my leaf to the test and traveled over 67 miles round trip. I realized I had consumed almost exactly 100% energy capacity (recharged to 80% halfway and did the number crunching to come up with 100% used when I got home). So my 24kwh battery went from 87mi. when it was new to 67 miles max range 5 years later and one bar gone (this was better than I predicted 5 years ago). I noticed you mention nothing about your current max actual range. Really curious if you will test this out. BTW losing a bar doesn't surprise me due to avg temps in the summer being in the 90Fs here on the SE coast of the US.
FYI I just traded-in my old leaf for a new 62kWh Eplus and I love it. I just wish Nissan would treat the SL as a flagship car and match it to the maxima for interior/exterior features/quality.
The first and last bar are not equal to the rest. Once you've lost your first bar, you're below 85% SOH. So really with 1 bar gone, your true capacity was somewhere between 78.75% and 85%.
First Bar = 15%
bars 2 through 12 = 6.25% each
loss of last bar (0 remaining) means you have roughly 16% of capacity left.
@@dalex1 Interesting, back in 2014 when I researched the bars, the assumption was around 7-8% per the first few bars. In any case, I got my money's worth out of the car. Contrary to what was said in the video, State of charge needs to be as close to a 50% avg state of charge level to maximize the life of the batteries. Age in the end will be the biggest factor for degradation.
Hello Ryan, enjoyed the video as always. Re servicing, I just wonder if you ever checked the top strut mounting on the drivers side ? I only became aware of the corrosion problem last week, and when I checked it was full of water and muck and little bit of corrosion evident. Have a 64 Leaf with 70,000 miles and 90% SOH.
In Australia governments are already looking at how to tax EVs to claw back the lost revenue form loss of petrol sales
Should you have included your PCP payment on the Leaf as cost? Agreed it would be similar on an ICE car of similar value.
Yes, I don't think he bought the car for £10,000. It has cost that *plus* whatever the PCP was. It's worth what you can sell it for. £9k perhaps? Much less if you trade in. £8500?
Deprecation has to have been @£4k per year so far.
Hi i have a 2016 kia soul and the gas prices are going through the roof.
Would it be good idea to finance a brand new leaf if your were to consider battery degradation.
also; comment re Battery. EV Batteries are actively being recycled and reused. There's a trade in value if you ever need to replace it or at the end of life. Currently EV's generate good values EoL.
I asked my self to from time to time too, that theoretical I could replace the battery by the saved fuel costs one day. But another voice in my head asks me if it was better to replace my 24 kw leaf one day by an ev with a longer range? Anyway I keep my petrol car in spare as "range extender" for some trips to the relatives where we could not reach within one charge. Maybe a better supply with quick charger in Germany, especially on country roads, will be a solution.
Hope you're going to test the new Vauxhall e-corsa/Peugot e-208?
My 2012 Rav4 has 150000Kms , I get 11.5L/100Kms and gas is $1.30L Avg ($2.20 atm). (150000/100)x11.5 = 17,250 Liters
17250L X $1.30 = $22,425cad. To put that into perspective I payed $27,500cad all in for it in 2012.
p.s. Oh yeah Im picking up a 2023 Leaf next month
p.p.s. those are conservative numbers its more like 12.5L/100 and $1.38 avg
How much battery degradiotion did u had after 50.000 miles? How many mile su can have realistically now with the 24 kwh after 50.000 miles?
Vasileios Petropoulos you obviously didn’t watch the entire video -start @ approximately 7:50 for your answer!
I have the 24 kW leaf although done 66000 miles and had a few problems with it. Anyway my battery at 50000 was about the same expect to lose a bar at 60000 plus. Only hassle is you need to charge more often. Make sure you extend your warranty leaf parts are expensive new. Wouldn't buy a leaf again but will definately buy an electric car probably a Tesla.
Fool cell sorry Fuel Cell Mirage nice stepping stone to a Tesla😁. Make sure you ha e an extended warranty on that 😁👍
@@EVOpinion Yeah looking at insurance costs for a tesla model 3 maybe have the leaf for a bit longer 👍
13p a kWh ? If you had economy 7 overnight power would be 5p a kWh. So a 0 to 100 charge of a 26 kWh leaf would cost about 130p
Good morning, my leaf is on 81000 I managed to get 45000 out of rear tyres and 52000 out of the front tyres.
Still have it 2013 tekna
Gary Cambridge good work. Obviously you are a little more reserved than me 😳
Well let's say it's trying to not run out on my 82 mile commute sort of makes you sensible
Are you on my UK electric vehicle owners group on Facebook
Thanks for the number's.. Can I transfer the same number's - running cost.. For the LEAF to NISSAN e NV200 ? Are they the same ?
How much does it cost for a single full charge at home and full charge at a charge point?
I used to have a 2011 Nissan Leaf, reached 45000 miles and it had already lost more than 30% of capacity (lost 4th capacity bar).
I think they have got better at managing batteries?
@@FFVoyager probably, but still no active thermal management even in their latest model.
Imagine what owning a leaf in Northern Ireland having free charging in public , 4 years before mot so even better and petrol more expensive on average, no brainer
I would have loved seeing insurance & depreciation. Fuel & maintenance doesn't give us the big picture.
Ooh mugs awesome
My 2013 leaf has 3 bars. 50km range. Hot climate killed my leaf. I live in srilanka
Have you thought of off peak charging even octopus 4? Thanks for your video.
JImHig I have but we are often home during the day so need a tariff that covers us at all times 👍
How much has the car lost in value in the four years?
Did u said about the insurance?
How much are the car payments and the battery lease? Is the 80KWh version affordable?
ah wait th-cam.com/video/NE0D7RAOecE/w-d-xo.html £219 per month with £1000 down and I need to do 20000 a year, sigh :) Probably good value compared to another new car to be fair but older used cars non-electric are still probably much cheaper by the looks if you're a high mileage driver.
Real cost of ownership calculation would include all spendings minus residual value of the car if selling today. I have a Nissan Versa Note 2017 with 52k km and the cost of fuel is about 15% of total cost of ownership. Yes an electric car is technologically more advanced, saves energy and is better for the environment. But cost is not so clear cut...
You should be pushing bulb referrals too, I just switched.
Matt Walker great news😁👍Thank you. I know I have the link in my descriptions but I still struggle asking for money on video. It feels a bit wrong😳. That said others do it and seem to do very well so perhaps I should just get over it. Thanks again for your support 😁👍
Wouldn't EcoT have been free to use during your first (and possibly part of your second) year(s)?
Man with Zoe yes! It was. Well remembered. More money saved there 😁👍
i wonder how it would compare if you had bought a new micra at the same time which is a similar car, you could then make it a total cost of ownership calculation
The Micra is a smaller car, like a Fiesta. The Leaf is more akin to the Pulsar/Focus/Astra - I take your point, just the same.
@@inkpen1999 fair point was the first small Nissan that came to mind 😁
Hang on, you leased the Leaf for 4 years before you paid the residual of $10,000. That means, you paid around 400 pounds a month, for 4 years - so you wore all the depreciation from about 50,000 pounds.
That makes the fuel/electricity savings look worthless.
You could have bought a 30,0000 pound ICE vehicle, paid the extra on fuel, and still come out way ahead.
Ray Watson you are kind of right. I actually only paid £219 a month for it over 3.5 years so much the same as an ICE car but the deals were much better back then. As I described in the video a 2nd hand one would find the best savings! It remains a personal choice and you ha e to work out if it suits you and your budget but hopefully this shows you what can be saved over 50k miles and will help you with that decision 👍
Check out how much the Leaf is worth now! LOL! 70% off MSRP!
MAIJSN A005 with 2 seats or 4seats EV , looking for global car agency cooperation
9 per cent degradation only? After 50.000 miles? Just 9 per cent?
The comment related to the State Of Health of the battery. A 24kWh when new has a useable 22.1kwh so at 90% I expect it should be holding roughly 19.8kWh when fully charged. A 8 to 10 mile reduction of maximum range after 50,000.
Service at stealership? What are they doing to it ?
Ensuring that they can't weasel out of the warranty, which given the cost of battery replacement in the United States being around 8 Grand and likely to be even more expensive for the newer Electrics it may well be worth it to maintain that extra security blanket of oh no you don't.
mrspeigle1 hmmm, that makes sense , unfortunately for your wallet. They do have an elaborate cooling system for the inverters and stuff. I wonder how the laws are regarding warranty repairs and maintenance where are you are compared to USA.
I did go for peace of mind but in the uk as long as you use OEM parts and take it to a VAT register mechanic the warranty remains valid 👍
Although there is less to do with the electric motor side of the car , it still remains a complicated motor vehicle underneath. Brakes, Tyres, heating and cooling systems , seat belt security, suspension systems, wipers, lighting and so on. All the same as any other car at service time. And a complimentary cup of coffee. What price you pay depends on you.
For contrast, My Landrover cost me £130 for a service in 1991, My LEAF cost me £125 a few weeks ago.
As a USA ASE certified master tech for 25 years now it’s a real shame to see these cars being kicked to the curb with only 50 to 70,000 miles on their odometer because of their batteries when the overall structure and build could easily exceed 300,000 miles
as long as they dont pack up,my neibours broke down each time costing $1000.He sold it
Insurance cost ?
The biggest ripoff is what insurance companies are now charging for insurance cover on EV's its a bloody joke
gene mayne you obviously have a point as I’ve heard it said several times. My own personal experience is different. So far it hasn’t cost me any more. I tend to shop around and change my insurance every year, which is frustrating. Why can’t insurance companies reward loyal customers?
@@EVOpinion In my experience auto insurance companies do the exact opposit of rewarding loyal customers, who they tend to think of as suckers who don't check to see if they are paying too much. And people who have gone too long without a claim who think they have some sort of business relationship can still have their coverage outright cancelled for the smallest infraction, like a seatbelt violation. It matters not how long they have been customers, or how many rate increases they have had.
From my research in the US, the tesla's are the only ones getting insane insurance costs. This is due to the luxury status as well as how expensive replacement parts are. I was pleasantly surprised to see my insurance rates go down when I bought my 2019 E-plus coming from a 2014 Leaf. I have a feeling insurance companies are getting access to the driving info of the LEAFs that Nissan corp historically tracks and keeps. It's the only reason that explains why I wasn't asked about my intended driving habits (daily mileage, etc) for the new car and also explains how I got a refund in my premium which was minimum coverage for my 2014 to my full coverage of the 2019 car. Crazy times we live in.
My EV is cheaper to insure than my old ICE car.
Insurance? Depreciation.... or is it appreciation?
Darryl of Sussex Most cars will suffer considerable depreciation, but perhaps the tide is turning where in future fossil fuel led cars will suffer worse depreciation
No doubt when evs do get established which looks like they will, the grants will stop,the price of electric will go up and vehicle tax will go up.
graeme taylor hopefully electric will be ok, after all we can generate our own but tax will have to be addressed. As long as it’s a fair system I think we’ll all be happy 👍
Always an interesting chat to watch. My 2014 has done 57,000 mines and it's health is 92%. I personally don't worry too much about the battery. I've yet to calculate my savings, but I'm sure it's going to be similar. :)
Vampire Echidna amazing! It’s good to hear other people with similar SOH (or better in your case!).
What is there to service on an electrical car? 😂 I wouldn't pay for one unless there is something I'm missing?
Chappers Gaming nope. I’ll be taking it to an independent this time to see what actually needs doing👍
As a mechanic who loves EVs: You're dead right that EV's do generally require much less maintenance than ICE cars, but some people believe they literally require no maintenance or servicing, and that is setting yourself up for disappointment. Not that any of these items need attention all that regularly, but some of the things that I usually check when servicing an EV (depending on mileage and age) are: Coolant level and condition, cabin filter, tyre condition, tyre pressure, brake pads, brake rotors, suspension bushes and ball joints, gearbox oil, HV battery condition, 12v battery condition. Some places go way overboard though, to the point of being criminal in my opinion. Selling "special EV services" where they claim to check all kinds of things, and I've heard of some places recommending having the A/C system serviced EVERY YEAR in order to make sure it isn't overworking and reducing your range.. That's absurd! Many of these things can be checked by the owner if they have the knowledge and want to do it themselves, but many owners either don't know what to look for, or would simply rather pay a professional to do it instead.
@@sebastiansteel9860 soo basically nothing to service that you can't do on your own 👌 I could check all that myself. For EG ice car, a cam belt service id go to a dealer, but for anything thing else I'd do it myself :) unless it's enteral engine components, but then that being Said not many people have time to do checks, soo I can see both sides of the coin.
sebastian frances I think it’s playing on people’s fears with dubious marketing! Thank goodness we live in an age of social media where we have all the info we need to make informed decisions. Thanks for your comment😁👍
@@Chappers.Gaming Sure, if you're comfortable doing a of that then good for you. That however, doesn't apply to a majority of the general public. If you're that mechanically inclined then why wouldn't you do your own cam belt replacement? The procedure for almost any vehicle can be found online. What procedure do you use to check a suspension bush or ball joint? You don't even have to answer, my point is simply that even with something simple yet incredibly important like brake pads, not everyone has the knowledge to differentiate between the backing plate and the friction material, let alone assess whether the current condition of the entire system is safe or not. EVs don't require much maintenance, but in my opinion every vehicle should be inspected by someone with appropriate knowledge, ideally every 6 months, or 12 at the very most, to ensure it is safe for road use, and not at risk of premature failure.
A flawed comparison.
1. You didn't actually drive the miles mentioned in the other car you own so you could have compared it to any car out there. It made no sense.
2. If you had driven the same distance in your other car I would say that your repair bill would be much higher.
A good comparison would have been to include purchase price and compare it to a ice vehicle which is closer related such as a Toyota hybrid. That would have been interesting.
tigertoo01 I have driven 120k miles in the other car so know it inside out. If you look back through my videos you will see some other comparison with like cars but as I said in this video I didn’t want to get into a load of ‘what ifs?’ This is my experiences and my figures for your info. You can do as you please with them 👍
U must be a good driver
£70 to fill up a Mazda 6? That’s exe even by Aussie standards.
MondoTV i know!!!😳
Yep , we have more expensive fuel in average than Australia.
£1.30 at the moment for a litre of petrol.
So a 60L take will cost £78-80 from empty to full ..
But you were in debt while owning the ev and you’re still in debt on the car
Shane apologies if I’ve missed your point but I would have bought a new car anyway so the debt is there but not relevant to this comparison. As I said in the video. If you are considering the difference between a EV and ICE to buy new then factor in the different price and depreciation 👍
When everyone get an electronic car you can bet your
Bottom dollar all your costs will treble
Well I am a little disappointed like you I have done nothing to look after the battery I put on charge every night I dovuse the battery down to between 50 and 70 percent most week days and as low as 20 percent two to three times per month. My Leaf is a thirty kilowatt version and I have done 42000 miles and have noticed today I only have 11bars so I guess my battery is 85 percent or less. Last year at the service it was over 90 percent. I can only believe as an ex demonstrator it was constantly charged on fast chargers for the first 12months 10000 miles of its life at Nissan dealership. It only been serviced by Nissan and this is my third year of ownership. It's a 2016 model. I guess they are all different.
7 + 4 = 11 should be £1 less
You guys pay a lot for fuel
all we need is an oil crisis via war etc and fuel prices will be crazy high
I want to get an electric car. Unfortunately, here in America, we get a fraction of what Europe gets as far as EVs go...and our green infrastructure is shite. I mean it’s really bad. Unless you own a house where you can install your own 240v charger to charge your car overnight...good luck finding a fast charging station on the street. I live in the suburbs of New York and there are like 3 super charging stations on all of Long island! THREE. It’s really embarrassing how the rest of the world hav e. Left America in their rearview mirror when it comes to investing in green tech & infrastructure. Ours is practically non existent. But what do we expect when our President doesn’t believe in science or climate change, stares at solar eclipses without protective glasses and thinks windmills cause cancer! 🤦♂️ HOPEFULLY in November that will all change. 🤞
Yay mugs.
If you drive new cars, then depreciation is by far the largest item most of us will see. I drive less than 6,000 miles a year and spend less than $900 a year on gasoline (petrol) with gas prices in the U.S. about $3.30 per gallon or $0.86 per liter. Tires should be about the same cost for EVs or ICE. I lease a 2017 Volvo XC60 for about $7,000 per year, if I were leasing any similar EV, the cost of energy is almost insignificant compared to the lease cost.
Fred Zlotnick with the low mileage you do it would be difficult to make the numbers balance at this point. Let’s hope the costs drop soon and it becomes an option for you 😁👍
the electric car is fun to sneak up on people with too ;)
This comparison is utter codswallop. The most expensive cost is depreciation. You have compared an apple with a pear. A leaf performs like a sub one litre car. You are delusional and misleading taking comparison costs with a on old two litre. Shame on you.
alastair inglis I felt I addressed the depreciation issue and as mentioned if you buy 2nd hand you don’t consider that at all (in fact EVs are appreciating at the moment!). The comparison is a personal one based on facts that I know to be true. Better that than a lot of ‘what ifs?’ I would urge you to test drive a EV before you make any further sweeping comments. You will then see that a Leaf is in no way comparable to a 1l petrol car. As I always say they aren’t for everyone but please keep an open mind. If the difference wasn’t so great I wouldn’t be driving one 👍
In no way does the Leaf perform "like a sub one litre car". Clearly you have never driven one!