I don't understand why everybody is riled up about this piece. I think it's beautiful what Tchaikovsky did with Mozart's music. I think it was a really fun idea to orchestrate Mozart's pieces with a late-romantic orchestra. I especially love his arrangement of the "Ave verum corpus" movement. Tchaikovsky accomplished what he wanted to accomplish with this piece, so why is everybody complaining about things that he never intended to put in the piece?
@@Tal-wu9ss I'm referring to the comments at the bottom of the page, which are saying things like "This is not 'tRuE' Mozart because of X orchestration technique", and just generally insulting things about how Tchaikovsky treated Mozart's music or even just Tchaikovsky's skill as a composer (it seemed to me to be more prevalent here than in other Tchaikovsky videos). They used to be more visible a few years ago, but they're still there.
Do you think you understand Mozart better than Tchaikovsky did?!? He respected M. far too much to modernize or tamper with his great works, and put together a divertimento of lighter fare -- and the opening Gigue is a lovely discovery worth promoting from its isolation as a solo piano work.
@@ClassicalDavid That map also has a room that plays the Russian folk tune "In the Field Stood a Birch Tree", which Tchaikovsky incorporates in the last movement of his Symphony No. 4
@@rokano Amazing, now it all makes sense as for the last piece i couldnt locate! Also theres a room on the first floor with a vinyl player that is playing Bach or something similar sounding I've never been able to find that one either haha!
Not so much of Mozart's original expressive climate remains, but after all we are talking about an Age in which the capacity of paraphrasing material was emphasized over faithfulness to it, and I would say in original composition it's an understandable position (it's not a reconstruction or an edition of pre-existing Music!), as such we just take pleasure in listening to this Piece without worrying too much about what's not to be worried.
Tchaikovsky is faithful in transmitting his inner love for Mozart by means of a virtuoso arrangement, embellishing Mozart's facile side in a sunny and happy sound experience. What else does the spoiled 21st Century listener need or want?
Actually it brought up some very interesting elements of the compositions into focus. And this WAS far more about this, than about keeping the “expressive climate’.
The gigue is absolutey fantastic and well interpreted, but the amazing menuet in D is by far too slow(sounds more like the tempo of a sarabande than a minuet). The Ave verum orchestral version is also really beautiful and celestial, and the finale really enjoyable. But tempos do tend to be a little too slow.... I would like to refer you to Mathhew King's videos about the Gigue and Menuet, a wonderfully refined musicological analysis of these musical pieces, and how linguistically advanced they are. Available on You tube (channel The Music Professor).
I disagree with parts of the above commentary. The Gigue, K. 574 is, despite its brevity, an incredibly exciting and original composition by Mozart--not at all a minor work. The Minuet, K. 355 has a surprising amount of chromaticism, which also makes it stand out. In the variation movement, Tchaikovsky actually moves pretty far afield from Mozart, but I wouldn't hold that against him: his ideas are interesting in their own right. And while the "Ave verum" does seem a little bit over the top, it is also a tribute to Liszt's memory (a year after Liszt's death) and a 19th-c. period piece. We don't have any recordings of how Mozart was played in the 19th c., but from this we may get an idea.
To be honest, I was quite disappointed by the Violin Solo. Yet, virtuostic and bravo technique, but I think it just lacks how Tchaikovsky intended it as a "Mozart Style troll". Like the violin solo in A Musical Joke. It now sounds like a part of the Tchaikovsky violin concerto instead of Mozart.
You have to keep in mind that this orchestra recorded without too many rehearsals and without the time for fancy cuts, edits and re-do's ((end 60's, early 70"s) It is as it is. For all I know there might have been 1 recording session in 1 take. The violinist also takes liberties with the written notes, especially the flow of the cadenza is hurried and often not breathing. There is a such a thing as rubato, but a good rubato still has a pulse. But then again, be happy this recording is out there as there is a lot of positive energy and drive in it and it holds up pretty good with my other recordings of the Suites by the Frankfurt RSO conducted by Sir Neville Marriner.
@@bartjebartmansThanks for replying! Yet the recording is "rough" in some ways, I am not commenting about this issue. The solo principal is definitely a good violinist, we can tell from his tone and up-bow staccato interpretation. It is just a bit "out of style" in my own opinion. Yet a fresh interpretation would have amazed us sometimes, like the up-bow staccato.
Sure! Another reason why I upload this orchestra is the fact that there are no copyright issues, plus Brusilow recorded some lesser known works like Brahms Serenade No. 1, which will be my next post and Haydn's Symphony No. 60.
Ah...I thought it was more like Prokofiev's 1st symphony, that it was written in the classical style...but, haha, if he orchestrated it, it could still have his style...I was talking about the way à passage was orchestrated, with the brass or something, not sure...I don't think Mozart would have done that (or see a harp with an orchestra, unless it was something like the flute and harp concerto...so, haha you don't have to have 0% Tchaikovsky here...unless it isn't even orchestrated by Tchaikovsky?...I don't know if that's what you mean...
Yes...I just relistened it...it could be due to the orchestration...the way that chord is done there...the way the ending is done...during the first movement, I did wonder if it was exactly a Mozart piece I had heard for a passage, I mean, the notes, but, the 2nd one didn't seem as much so...
RDVMusic You do know there is more to music than tonality? I was referring more to phrasing. If all you know of Stravinsky is Rite of Spring or Firebird then you wouldn’t understand what I was referring to. I was thinking more of Apollon Musagete.
Estás 4 piezas son de Mozart, pero Tchaikovsky en honor a los 100 años de la Ópera Don Giovanni, hizo este homenaje arreglando estás de obras de Mozart para orquesta. 1: Gigue para piano en Sol mayor kv.574 2: Minueto para piano en Re mayor kv.355 3: Ave verum corpus kv.618 4: Variaciones para piano kv.455
no. 50-45-5 I would say. Mozart wrote it, and Tchaikovsky arranged it (with a bit of Liszt sentimentality in the Ave verum) Also in music we have to stick to the facts.
It was not intended as some kind of imitation Mozart. But rather as a loving tribute to Mozart, assimilating selected Mozart pieces with Tchaikovsky's own style and orchestration, and brilliantly so. Nothing wrong with that!
Вы же представили Третью сюиту в гениальном исполнении Е. Ф. Светланова. Зачем этот исполнительский вариант очень низкого художественного качества?! А лучшая из сюит - именно Третья, по форме - симфония...
Sorry but this only confirms what I've always thought of Tchaikovsky - He hasn't a clue how to link two themes together. I've never understood why his music is so popular with ordinary listeners.
Are u retarded? These pieces are 100% written by Mozart. Tchaikovsky only did the orchestration of those Mozart's pieces. So you are saying that Mozart cant link two themes... 0 iq moment
@grahamnancledra7036 you think so? Then I have the perfect composer for you, go listen to him right now, and see how HE "links 2 themes together", which by the way is a concept that I believe you wouldn't be able to explain. The composer's name is Claude Debussy.
I don't understand why everybody is riled up about this piece. I think it's beautiful what Tchaikovsky did with Mozart's music. I think it was a really fun idea to orchestrate Mozart's pieces with a late-romantic orchestra. I especially love his arrangement of the "Ave verum corpus" movement. Tchaikovsky accomplished what he wanted to accomplish with this piece, so why is everybody complaining about things that he never intended to put in the piece?
no one is riled up
@@Tal-wu9ss I'm referring to the comments at the bottom of the page, which are saying things like "This is not 'tRuE' Mozart because of X orchestration technique", and just generally insulting things about how Tchaikovsky treated Mozart's music or even just Tchaikovsky's skill as a composer (it seemed to me to be more prevalent here than in other Tchaikovsky videos). They used to be more visible a few years ago, but they're still there.
You can make a case that Tchaikovsky trivialises Mozart in this piece.
@@hb1338 And I can make the case that Tchaikovsky didn't trivialize any of these Mozart pieces, and that your view is totally subjective.
I believe Mozart would have been delighted
What a beautiful love letter from a genius composer to the greatest of all composers. Lovely, indeed! Thank you for posting it.
Tchaikovsky is the goat
Do you think you understand Mozart better than Tchaikovsky did?!? He respected M. far too much to modernize or tamper with his great works, and put together a divertimento of lighter fare -- and the opening Gigue is a lovely discovery worth promoting from its isolation as a solo piano work.
Lovely & Amazing music.... It conquers my heart ♥
この曲は初めて聴きました。こういう試みをしてたんですね。目を瞑って聴いているとモーツアルトですね。興味深い！！
Balanchine created a lovely ballet, "Mozartiana," which you can see on TH-cam.
Enjoyable..... 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🎶 ♥️ 🎼 ❤️🎼🎶❤️🎼🎶🎼🎶
MAGNIFIQUE !!!
When you roam to the piano room in siege 0:10
wow i just came here after shazaming the piece from kafe dostoyevsky, since i wanted to find it once and for all
swan lake
symphony 6
@@ClassicalDavid That map also has a room that plays the Russian folk tune "In the Field Stood a Birch Tree", which Tchaikovsky incorporates in the last movement of his Symphony No. 4
@@rokano Amazing, now it all makes sense as for the last piece i couldnt locate! Also theres a room on the first floor with a vinyl player that is playing Bach or something similar sounding I've never been able to find that one either haha!
Bravo brilliance music
This suite is the best among the four suites Tchaikovsky has composed
so far!!!
I prefer the first one
i like the style
Magnificent !
Super! 😀 😀 😀
Grande Tchaikovsky!!!
Not so much of Mozart's original expressive climate remains, but after all we are talking about an Age in which the capacity of paraphrasing material was emphasized over faithfulness to it, and I would say in original composition it's an understandable position (it's not a reconstruction or an edition of pre-existing Music!), as such we just take pleasure in listening to this Piece without worrying too much about what's not to be worried.
Tchaikovsky is faithful in transmitting his inner love for Mozart by means of a virtuoso arrangement, embellishing Mozart's facile side in a sunny and happy sound experience. What else does the spoiled 21st Century listener need or want?
Actually it brought up some very interesting elements of the compositions into focus. And this WAS far more about this, than about keeping the “expressive climate’.
I love the theme and variations, particularly the variation at 12:31.
A romantic composer in Classical style
The gigue is absolutey fantastic and well interpreted, but the amazing menuet in D is by far too slow(sounds more like the tempo of a sarabande than a minuet). The Ave verum orchestral version is also really beautiful and celestial, and the finale really enjoyable. But tempos do tend to be a little too slow....
I would like to refer you to Mathhew King's videos about the Gigue and Menuet, a wonderfully refined musicological analysis of these musical pieces, and how linguistically advanced they are. Available on You tube (channel The Music Professor).
I disagree with parts of the above commentary. The Gigue, K. 574 is, despite its brevity, an incredibly exciting and original composition by Mozart--not at all a minor work. The Minuet, K. 355 has a surprising amount of chromaticism, which also makes it stand out. In the variation movement, Tchaikovsky actually moves pretty far afield from Mozart, but I wouldn't hold that against him: his ideas are interesting in their own right. And while the "Ave verum" does seem a little bit over the top, it is also a tribute to Liszt's memory (a year after Liszt's death) and a 19th-c. period piece. We don't have any recordings of how Mozart was played in the 19th c., but from this we may get an idea.
I feel no need to dissect the work. I am just going to enjoy it.
11:50 clarinet 24:00 cadenza
0:07 why do they play accents at the 3rd beat? It took me a minute to get the rythm
I have test in school with this 👁👄👁
Rainbow six siege
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To be honest, I was quite disappointed by the Violin Solo. Yet, virtuostic and bravo technique, but I think it just lacks how Tchaikovsky intended it as a "Mozart Style troll". Like the violin solo in A Musical Joke. It now sounds like a part of the Tchaikovsky violin concerto instead of Mozart.
You have to keep in mind that this orchestra recorded without too many rehearsals and without the time for fancy cuts, edits and re-do's ((end 60's, early 70"s) It is as it is. For all I know there might have been 1 recording session in 1 take. The violinist also takes liberties with the written notes, especially the flow of the cadenza is hurried and often not breathing. There is a such a thing as rubato, but a good rubato still has a pulse. But then again, be happy this recording is out there as there is a lot of positive energy and drive in it and it holds up pretty good with my other recordings of the Suites by the Frankfurt RSO conducted by Sir Neville Marriner.
@@bartjebartmansThanks for replying! Yet the recording is "rough" in some ways, I am not commenting about this issue. The solo principal is definitely a good violinist, we can tell from his tone and up-bow staccato interpretation. It is just a bit "out of style" in my own opinion. Yet a fresh interpretation would have amazed us sometimes, like the up-bow staccato.
Sure! Another reason why I upload this orchestra is the fact that there are no copyright issues, plus Brusilow recorded some lesser known works like Brahms Serenade No. 1, which will be my next post and Haydn's Symphony No. 60.
Yeah...sounds like Mozart, Tchaikovsky's favorite composer...
10:32 you feel the Tchaikovsky there a bit, haha, I'd say...and, of course, the harp, etc...a Romantic thing...
@@archangecamilien1879 This piece consists of transcriptions of Mozart pieces, so effectively 0% Tchaikovsky
Ah...I thought it was more like Prokofiev's 1st symphony, that it was written in the classical style...but, haha, if he orchestrated it, it could still have his style...I was talking about the way à passage was orchestrated, with the brass or something, not sure...I don't think Mozart would have done that (or see a harp with an orchestra, unless it was something like the flute and harp concerto...so, haha you don't have to have 0% Tchaikovsky here...unless it isn't even orchestrated by Tchaikovsky?...I don't know if that's what you mean...
Yes...I just relistened it...it could be due to the orchestration...the way that chord is done there...the way the ending is done...during the first movement, I did wonder if it was exactly a Mozart piece I had heard for a passage, I mean, the notes, but, the 2nd one didn't seem as much so...
11:00
The first movement sounds a lot like Stravinsky. Could this piece be a very early example of neo-classicism?
No, because this is a transcription of a Mozart piece and thereby fully tonal. I don't see how you could associate Stravinsky with this
RDVMusic You do know there is more to music than tonality? I was referring more to phrasing. If all you know of Stravinsky is Rite of Spring or Firebird then you wouldn’t understand what I was referring to. I was thinking more of Apollon Musagete.
Mozart wrote the gigue in Leipzig and it is clearly greatly influenced by Bach.
There’s nothing Stravinsky about it, this is pure Mozartian chromaticism.
To my ears, it sounds very much like the Overture to Nutcracker.
Var. VIII - 18:22
18:23 Glock
Maravillosa, compleja...pero nqda que ver con Mozart...
Adan Ayup ¿Cómo que no? Por supuesto que sí.
Nada que ver talvez, pero tchaikovksy compuso esto en el estilon mozart
Estás 4 piezas son de Mozart, pero Tchaikovsky en honor a los 100 años de la Ópera Don Giovanni, hizo este homenaje arreglando estás de obras de Mozart para orquesta.
1: Gigue para piano en Sol mayor kv.574
2: Minueto para piano en Re mayor kv.355
3: Ave verum corpus kv.618
4: Variaciones para piano kv.455
14:09
18:22
All Tchaikovsky ...no Mozart.
no. 50-45-5 I would say. Mozart wrote it, and Tchaikovsky arranged it (with a bit of Liszt sentimentality in the Ave verum) Also in music we have to stick to the facts.
@@AdamCollinsComposer He mentioned Tchaikovsky and Mozart. That was the subject.
It was not intended as some kind of imitation Mozart. But rather as a loving tribute to Mozart, assimilating selected Mozart pieces with Tchaikovsky's own style and orchestration, and brilliantly so. Nothing wrong with that!
this music has no slavic style ,and so like beethoven and heyden
Exactly!!!! This is what Tchaikovsky wanted! Orchestra playing some of the best of Mozart’s piano works!
What kind of remark is that?
It is Mozart. Of course it has no slavic style...
Вы же представили Третью сюиту в гениальном исполнении Е. Ф. Светланова. Зачем этот исполнительский вариант очень низкого художественного качества?! А лучшая из сюит - именно Третья, по форме - симфония...
It’s more like Beethoven than Mozart
It's Mozart in Tchaikovsky vein.
Sorry but this only confirms what I've always thought of Tchaikovsky - He hasn't a clue how to link two themes together. I've never understood why his music is so popular with ordinary listeners.
Tchaikovsky will be around long after you are gone. You sound like a pompous ass.
Are u retarded? These pieces are 100% written by Mozart. Tchaikovsky only did the orchestration of those Mozart's pieces. So you are saying that Mozart cant link two themes... 0 iq moment
Think again. And by the way, Tchaikovsky is not just popular with "ordinary" listeners...
@@galanis38 I've thought about it for years and as try as I might my view is he couldn't ever link two themes together.
@grahamnancledra7036 you think so? Then I have the perfect composer for you, go listen to him right now, and see how HE "links 2 themes together", which by the way is a concept that I believe you wouldn't be able to explain.
The composer's name is Claude Debussy.
We always destroy loudspeakers in smoke room.