Seven - Renegade Cut
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ต.ค. 2015
- An analysis of David Fincher's 1995 film. Support Renegade Cut Media through Patreon. / renegadecut
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My Dad raised me catholic. We watched this movie together when I was in my mid 20's, I had never fully seen it but he had seen it a few times before. I had told him after, over a bowl, that Mills had lost and allowed John Doe to win. He looked at me bemused and said, "I don't know, I'd feel like I won if that son of a bitch had killed my wife and child!" I then told him that was the point, "to get the man whom he envied to take actions against hin and forget the code he swore to was a win for John Doe. Mills lost, vengeance is not justice, justice is justice and to seek an eye for an eye is not the way of God." My father, still looking bemused took a hit and said he didn't get my thinking. I was raised Catholic, always questioned the text, even while understanding the core concepts, my father never questioned but clung to tradition over true faith. Mills failed and allowed evil to win, the world is worth fighting for, not because it is good, but because we have the choice, through our actions to rise above it.
Interesting and accurate. In addition, it was Freeman’s character as the protagonist, not Pitt’s. Same thing with “Shawshank Redemption;” it was Red’s story... not Andy’s.
Im confused. Your dad thinks his wife & child dying is "winning"?
Se7en has effected me more than any horror movie. This movie is a masterclass in tone, suspense, mystery, evil, hopelessness, and brutal humanity. So much subtlety, so much craft and care. To me it’s his finest movie.
the ending was not intended. it was a studio mandate that the narration be at the end. it was not in finchers orignal vision.
But at that point wouldn't that be firmly outside the realm of authorial intent and into personal interpretation? Or are you talking about his claim about all of Fincher's oeuvre?
I like the ending lines anyway tho
Maybe that's why I liked this movie so much: It matches my way of being the most optimistically pessimist possible(and some time after I've created this definition, I discovered it's the name of a song).
Great video, your work is helping a film student in Brasil.
Awesome work like always. I love this movie.
I'm surprised people thought the last line from Se7en was nihilistic.
I think it's nihilistic in a sense; it acknowledges that the world isn't a fine place and things do not make sense. However, it's still positive and hopeful, because it concludes that just because life is meaningless, it's still worth fighting for...
My interpretation? Seven is a metaphor for our internal struggle between wanting to do good and being tempted to commit evil. Everyone commits sins, it is in our nature, but we also all want to do good. How do we reconcile this contradiction? By trying to purge ourselves of all sin, like John Doe? By giving in to our sinful nature and abandon good, like Mills? Or by coming to terms with our dual nature, like Somerset?
That's also why the city, the victims, the police officer that died, and John Doe are nameless. It's so we can better imagine this place as our own hometown, and these people as ourselves or people in our own lives.
As Tom Waits once sang:
Goddamn there's always such a big temptation to be good. To be good.
But there's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby.
It's a deal. It's a deal.
@@gordieparenteau6555 Mr. Waits also said "There ain't no Devil, just God when he's drunk"
Not everyone has "evil" in them or wants to do "evil" things (as hard as that is for some to comprehend). Some of us are peaceful by nature, not thrill seeking and not interested in causing harm or drawn to destruction & extremes & are content with living a simple, gentle life. And there are also people - like psychopaths, for example - that have zero desire to do "good" ever.
All humans are not the same
Fincher is a Excellent Director...!
Others are simply threatened by him...!
Great analysis. On rewatching the movie, I noticed that it is raining in all of the outdoor scenes prior to John Doe turning himself in. After that point the sun is shining. Make of that what you will.
I completely agree with the analysis. It is very hard to accept the world as it is (as it has always been): A harsh, painful, magical,and wonderful place. You have to embrace ALL of it, but not give up hope.
Christian Guevara How do you personally stay hopeful, may I ask?
This perfectly sums up and analyzes the movie. I've seen the film multiple times, and coupled with this video, i see the movie as the masterpiece it is.
Fascinating, thank you. Love this movie even more now.
I really liked this one, one of your best videos in my opinion!
Nice job breaking down the themes. This is a fantastic film and a Masterclass in filmmaking
Amazing man, love your work!!!
One of my favorite films ever
Seeing the world as mostly a bad place but still worth fighting for & not giving up is a Black man’s plight. That’s why casting Morgan Freeman was brilliant & apropos
Great work as usual, Mr. Thomas.
LOVE this insight. Terrific.
I've always wondered what would have happened to BPItts character after the events of this film.
Keep up the great work!
David Fincher is the one of the best directors out there, however he often fly's under the radar
He’s underrated as hell. People sleep on this man so much.
wha? he’s one of the most celebrated directors of our era
Yeah I'm not sure what radar you're talking about; Fincher is widely acclaimed
Back in the day, I felt he didn’t get enough recognition for his films. But since I’ve made that comment he’s made Gone Girl, and Mindhunters. Both things that he’s gained more recognition for. At the end of the day, I’m glad to see he’s getting the praise he deserves
Honestly I can appreciate his craft but also say he hasn't made a single movie that I've liked, I saw Seven when It was fairly new and never liked it,just not of interest to me.
I wish I had your analysis powers
i have always been strangely drawn towards finch's movies.
The location is Gotham City. Somerset is the twin brother of Lucius Fox.
A W E S O M E
John Doe has 'Bardach County Jail' on his jumpsuit pause exactly 7.00 to read it, is this a made up name? idk but thought it was interesting
It’s a made up name. Doesn’t exist.
Names? His name is Robert Paulson....his name is Robert Paulson....his name is Robert Paulson...
You know.... Originally David Fincher didn't want to include the Hemingway quote because it conflicted with his visions of the film. If he had his way it wouldn't even be there but the production houses thought that it would be too grim so they forced him into adding a more optimistic ending.
It wasn't a PD officer- as far as I remember it was a junkie who reached for something, he thought was a gun and shot him...
2:37 "a corpse" ?
To avoid spoilers
The thing with Se7en is i always enjoyed the film but it always struck me as an incomplete film. this kinda explains why. The lack of identity, setting and such. A lot of important details like the who what or even why is missing and the film gives has an empty space where those details should be. It's not obviously there as explained, but there's a sense that the film could have told or showed more, but didn't.
It's the Absurdist philosophy of Albert Camus.
As I'm watching this, the video currently has 666 views.
It's obviously a satanic conspiracy.
The police cars can be seen clearly in some shots, but they simply say 'Police'. The badges and paperwork say Metropolitan and Metropolitan Police Department. The Captain also refers to the department as 'Metro'. I think it's an entirety fictional city. Definitely not NYC because it takes them less than an hour's drive to get to the desert. Also, when Sommerset meets Mills, he comments that he's never seen anyone fought to be transferred to the city. The NYPD would be well sought after.
There was a good Reddit post a couple of months back that hypothesizes where The City is.
NEVER TRY TI FIND NAMES IN ANY DAVID FINCHER FILM (FIGHT CLUB OR SE7EN), THEY ARE VERY RARE, FIGHT CLUB ITSELF REVEALED THE MAIN CHARACTER'S NAME AT THE END.
Get busy livin' or get busy murderin'... eh, doesn't sound as snappy.
Another episode with tangential religious themes, anyone want to take bets on how long it takes until someone tries to start an argument and has to get their comments deleted? I myself take issue with the very concept of the "seven deadly sins" and some of the things considered bad or severely bad on that list, but this really isn't the time or place to talk about it so I'm hoping things remain civil.
Morgan Freeman is one of the best actor ...
Marvel’s: Daredevil copied alot of the camera work and tone from Seven.
When pushed to the limit we all believe good and evil.
When given the choice at the edge we all believe evil should be punished.
When this moment arrives we share our creators image and exact wrath on evil.
The reason that is a sin Is because only god can judge a mans soul.
Good film but it was a rip off the seventies euro-horror THE DEVIL'S NIGHTMARE where the victims die in the manner of the seven deadly sins. Just as Harry Potter is a rip off of THE WIZARD OF EARTHSEA.
It isn't a rip off. It's doing it's own thing with it's own direction, cinematography and story
@@the_plan_official it isn't. If you watch THE DEVIL'S NIGHTMARE the victims in it are killed off in the manner of the sins that they are guilty off and the same thing happens in the film SEVEN, so i am not wrong.
@@zakalon123 Just because the victims died in the way of their sins doesnt make it a rip off. This movie has its own characters, location, and an entirely different identity. I highly doubt it had Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman as detectives and it ends with Brad Pitt finding out his wife was murdered. Just because it's based off the same idea doesn't make it a rip off, this movie portrayed the idea better anyway.
IMHO, Seven is wa-a-ay overrated. I personally find it way inferior to Fincher's own Zodiac.
racewiththefalcons1 That does not affect my opinion of it and liking it more than Se7en