That ending was a "holy SHIT!" moment. There's one thing in having to fire a superweapon as a last resort, but it's entirely another to realize your superweapon takes the word "super" very very seriously. Turning a whole fleet into micro-novae definitely qualifies.
I appreciate the somberness of this moment. It’s a bit like the discovery of nuclear weaponry, the sheer ability to kill catches you off guard and you’re stunned, just, watching what you’ve done..
A "survivor" from the messed up Castle Bravo hydrogen bomb test, a navy sailor who was on one of the observation ships and on top deck to see the blast. He ended an interview stating "every politician who can vote for war needs to stand near a nuclear test in their underwear. Feel the heat from the destruction in that bombp, to help them realize what they're in charge of." I'm paraphrasing but it's the gist.
I agree! Robert Oppenheimer quoted a line from Ancient Sandskrit. " I am life and also death!" I didn't get the whole line but he knew that he had created the means to bring about our own extinction. Albert Eistein also knew that as well! Mercer I think may well have echoed the same thought and fear ! I understand that as well! Only too well!
Any other Sci-fi show this device would have been the climax of an episode, and then swiftly forgotten by the next episode. I love that Orville actually kept using the device and then built an entire episode upon it.
The best part of this scene was how not a single person on that bridge cheered after the weapon fired. They did a great job showing the horror they felt from what they unleashed. When I first saw this I was like "Yeah! That's awe... oh. Oh no. This is NOT what the weapon was supposed to do, was it?"
Not Star Trek is more Star Trek then official Star Trek. Those inept writers creating Discovery and Picard should take notes how proper writing and story looks like. For me Orville is 99% and that 1% its just nit-picking me when occasional cheesiness tells me iam not watching Star Trek.
It's the 3 dimensional equivalent of what they call a noob circle in some RTSs. Assuming the firepower and shielding of the ships is concentrated to the front, it means that you are equally protected from all directions but you can only fight with a fraction of your strength if the enemy comes at you from one direction. Better to just form a 3d cluster of ships (or deathball) where they don't interfere with each other's firing arcs but can actually concentrate firepower.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 If the goal is just to cover the center and you don't care about doing damage then this is the optimal formation. Different formations for different purposes.
In ancient Greece, the triemes would form a circle with their sterns facing inwards and the bows pointing outwards. It was of course a defensive position. It prevented a fleet from being isolated, broken up and flanked.
I find it neat that they used a 3-dimensional defense formation. The entire prologue leading up to this moment could have been an episode of its own, the formation of the device, the Kaylon getting wind of its construction and their bid to shut it down, the Union setting up this defensive formation and how it would work.
@@M1ABRIMSvsPANZER Star Trek has always been about current politics. The same is true for the Orville. That's what makes both of them special. They don't talk down to their audiences, and there's actual philosophical and moral value to the episodes.
I WISH they would release season 3 on disc! I truly love The Orville, but I REFUSE to pay for an ENTIRE STREAMING SUBSCRIPTION (Hulu) JUST FOR 10 episodes of ANY show, I don't care HOW good it is!!
You could almost hear the thought balloon at the end of CPT Mercer's line when answering Issac, "You could say that.....And may God have mercy upon our souls." Mercer has always been an explorer, primarily in his personality. He recognizes the necessity of what they just did but a large part of him hates that it had to be done.
Right, Kelly and Mercer walked up front, not to gloat but, as a "good god, what did we just do!!? why wouldn't they talk!?" That's what's missing in current main stream trek. It shows that they didn't think any differently whether it was AI they just obliterated or biologicals, they were appalled either way. And the entire main bridge cast had a look of horror and compassion for the defeated, but, they still kill efficiently/professionally when there's no other option!
As he witnessed the first detonation of a nuclear weapon on July 16, 1945, a piece of Hindu scripture ran through the mind of Robert Oppenheimer: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”
@@jenniferstewarts4851 What a piece of dark poetry. That line right there is the kind that can shake mountains to rubble, set skies ablaze, boil oceans, tear down forests, flatten cities, towns, ... buildings filled with innocent people, and end said people's lives in a matter of seconds I kid you not, 12 seconds is all that's needed for a nuclear bomb to reduce a single city to irradiated ruins. There were possibly no words that could describe the horror that Dr. Oppenheimer felt when he saw what his creation had done to the city of Hiroshima, the day "Little Boy" was dropped on top of it.
@@CybertronusPrime-ro9ve There are 3 views to these weapons. the first, those that cheer them, that congratulate each other on creating such a weapon. Those that see it as the new best thing to use on what ever enemy pops up. Those who completed it out of scientific curiosity. could it be done? never stopping to ask, should it. To them they are just following the science, the math, the engineering. What its used for, leave that up to the government and generals, they just want to prove their theory and write the papers. And those that regret, that justified it to themselves in that it needed to be done to save lives... that the fear of such a weapon existing might be enough to end wars. they would rather it never be used, never be made. but in the end they made it, and only hope they can live with themselves afterwords.
The horror of the mass destruction. Excellent writing and directing (they didn’t even bother to explain how it works). I got very emotional here. Seriously, I hope The Orville gets spin-offs.
The Union code is to avoid killing as much as possible. You can actually see the horror and sadness in the eyes of the crew. Sort of like a Pacifist being forced to kill somebody who about to kill their family. Devastation
"Were we successful capatain?" Damn man, even tho issac knew his kind were trying to commit genoicde. The fact that he has no idea how quick the weapon wiped hundreds of his people
I love how they treated the use of the device. It really shows how far humanity has progressed in this show. In any other show a weapon that can blow up fleet of enemy robots would be met with glorious cheers. Here they recogzed the horror of it. It is a guess on my part that they recognized that they just whipped out thousands of sentient beings.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, “Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.” I suppose we all thought that one way or another. J. Robert Oppenheiner
If I was the owner of the salvage company that had to clean that mess up and recycle all the metallic debris for credits then I would be one happy space cowboy!
In a worse scifi show there would be whooping and cheering at the result here. Instead you get to just bask in the eerie silence of the graveyard they just made. Now that right there is how you write good scifi.
You can just see the thoughts going through the minds of the crew during the last moments of the scene, thinking about the fact that they just created a weapon of mass destruction. On one hand, they did save a planet, but on the other hand the realization of what they just caused hits them, and I imagine also the realization of the possibility that one day an enemy could conceivably create a weapon like that to use on them.
I think this is because the writers got heavily influenced by older sci-fi. Star Trek TOS and Star Wars have very little in the way of vertical attack scenes. Even new stuff follows the same thing. The only show ive seen that shows off true 'verticality' of an attack scene is in the Expanse. After a Horizontal firefight outside the ring they get chopped up vertically by micrometeors, shortly followed by a top down attack by rebel Martians. Stargate also has a few interesting scenes like that to, Goauld Hatak vessels coming out above a space target because their weapons are meant for planetary attacks so point downwards. BSG has the odd couple of scenes that has nice vertical action too.
@ulyssesdamon3408 if you aren't too against animation I would recommend the Space Battleship Yamato 2199 series, and it's 2 successors 2202 and 2205. In all 3 multiple factions make extensive and sometimes brutal use of 3 dimensional fighting tactics, with 1 faction being notorious for attacking from seeming every direction at once with multiple different combat elements within seconds of exiting ftl Some truly Excellent battles in there, and the sheer scale can get insane when it wants too, especially in 2202. All I'll say there, is fear the White Comet Either way, there's a suggestion for you, have a good day
I was literally shoked how they could easily wipe those dangerous keylon ship like they were nothing, showing that the union fleet is the strongest fleet in the universe by uniting
Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!
I would like to think that Gene Roddenberry would be more than happy to adopt the Orville into the Star Trek family and disown any Nu Trek that came after Enterprise
The kaylons were never evil, they just couldnt handle the enslavment of their species. If the creators had given repect to them, no such action would be needed. The Orville crew knew this, they only did what was needed. I repect them all for this.
My first thought on seeing this was to liken it to those who saw the effects of the atom bombs destroying Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I think that was the whole point...
There’s still that unsolvable geometric formula that Data & La Forge came up with in S05E23 (I, Borg) where they could implant the formula into a random Borg drone who eventually spread it throughout the Borg collective
0:32 - 0:52 The Kaylons were created by a biological race. They evolved. They rebelled and wiped out their creators. There are many copies. And they have a plan....
Kaylon are definitely going to make a good addition to the Union. Mainly bc they think on a very logical level as seen with Isaac. They understand logic, not emotion or morality. Therefore, they may need to consult Dr. Finn on how to properly talk to them.
In the last season they did get a deflector upgrade from the Mochlans. It looked like none of the other ships were firing back or even moving so they could have also put all power behind the deflectors.
@@chrisfortin It's also the formation, being tightly spaced together lets the shields overlap one another and spread out the hits across multiple ships so each shield can take more shots before failing.
Now imagine if, for whatever reason, the device had a rather childlike AI who, amid the eerie silence, innocently asked the crew if they were proud of him/her.
Well, being Kaylon, they should have regular backup and archival schedules. Interesting that the defensive line was basically all huddled together as if to cover each other's back never mind that there would likely be area of effect weapons such as an antimatter warhead missile or even a nuclear warhead missile that could take them all out at once or quantum weapons such as a false vacuum collapse (which would probably take out the star system and eventually end the Universe over time at the speed of light, the fascination of scifi shows with quantum weapons belies how truly devastating amd universe ending such weapons would actually be). Even with our feeble weaponry today, defense especially in somewhere as open as space would be to scatter so that you're not all caught together and to force the enemy into friendly fire situations so that they would have to limit their weapon fires.
The Kaylon have a range that they can back themselves up. The thing is they dont keep stored backups otherwise they might have copies of copies of copies running around. The weapon works on their transmission network and creates a localized feedback loop that destroys them. That network is what they would transmit their backup on... so its blocked. also the formation is to tank the damage, layering the shields of the different ships to handle the blasts long enough to fire the weapon.
I don't know if it was mentioned in this copy of this scene, but someone suggested that the camera should've kept the destruction hidden from the viewers. Keep the crew's shock and dismay shown, then have the camera pan out to see the effects of the weapon.
One thing I didn't like is how the Orville should have focused on attack wings. Have a heavy cruiser protected by 3 light/medium cruisers running strafing runs and focusing fire on one Kaylon Ship to dispatch it fast. Focus on strafing runs with manuevers to divide and conquer the Kaylon who outnumber you by a massive factor. Hit and run are much more effective than a static defense or a full on assault.
The whole issue is that its not that simple. They have a weapon that can force the people to stand down and they do show it and the Kaylon do stand down. The truth is this "we have to get them first" Is how most problems in history have happened. Most wars start with this logic.
Holy Hazards To Navigation, Batman! Would you look at all this scrap metal just waiting to be collected! Imagine how much it'll be worth at the scrapyard! War creates opportunity. Salvage is one of those opportunities.
This show is better than any other crap of the lasat 10 years. forget low quality crap like Game of Perverts, Lost, Discovery and Co. It's so sad, that this brilliant show is going to end so soon. I really hope for a big screen movie.
Ships Usually do Those And Even if there are I don't think it will work on the Kaylon and They are in Xeleya People there Look down on the Military for some unknown reason, That might be why they don't have a Planetary Difference system and Relaying towards the Union Star Ships
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This episode should be the reason why The Orville deserves another season.
7 seasons, 4 movies, and a sequel featuring an elderly Admiral Mercer 😄😉
@@LGranthamsHeir Helll yes agree 100%
@@LGranthamsHeir 100%
What about a spin-off series?
Yea but there is a lot of filler nonsense in this series as well.
I like the detail of how when ordered to tighten formation, the bigger ships don't actually move because they don't have space to reverse
I saw the one in the bottom left didn't move and just assumed it's propulsion had been disabled
That ending was a "holy SHIT!" moment. There's one thing in having to fire a superweapon as a last resort, but it's entirely another to realize your superweapon takes the word "super" very very seriously. Turning a whole fleet into micro-novae definitely qualifies.
I appreciate the somberness of this moment. It’s a bit like the discovery of nuclear weaponry, the sheer ability to kill catches you off guard and you’re stunned, just, watching what you’ve done..
"I am created Death, the shatterer of Worlds." - Oppenheimer
@@danielhaire6677 “Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.”
Now we are all sons of bitches.
@@danielhaire6677Oppenheimer also quoted that from an Indian Epic Poem/story.
A "survivor" from the messed up Castle Bravo hydrogen bomb test, a navy sailor who was on one of the observation ships and on top deck to see the blast.
He ended an interview stating "every politician who can vote for war needs to stand near a nuclear test in their underwear. Feel the heat from the destruction in that bombp, to help them realize what they're in charge of." I'm paraphrasing but it's the gist.
Mercer just had an Oppenheimer moment at the end there.
I love how quickly the music turns somber as they realize what they've created
I agree! Robert Oppenheimer quoted a line from Ancient Sandskrit. " I am life and also death!" I didn't get the whole line but he knew that he had created the means to bring about our own extinction. Albert Eistein also knew that as well! Mercer I think may well have echoed the same thought and fear ! I understand that as well! Only too well!
Any other Sci-fi show this device would have been the climax of an episode, and then swiftly forgotten by the next episode. I love that Orville actually kept using the device and then built an entire episode upon it.
The best part of this scene was how not a single person on that bridge cheered after the weapon fired. They did a great job showing the horror they felt from what they unleashed. When I first saw this I was like "Yeah! That's awe... oh. Oh no. This is NOT what the weapon was supposed to do, was it?"
I actually felt like vomiting. Their enemies were still sentient beings being snuffed out. It's a massive loss of life.
The look of resigned dread on the crew's faces as they realized the horrific temptation of such a weapon. So we'll acted.
@@l.tc.5032 I thought they just redownload themselves like cylons. Didn't they say something like that in the episode?
Their version of a nuclear weapon. The looks on their faces is rightfully shocked. I would be,too if I had the ability to destroy life.😬
When someone is trying to kill you, you don’t worry about what you have to do to them to survive. Or you die. You may learn this lesson soon enough.
The last 4 episodes has been nothing, but. Greatness. The Orville deserves like 5 more seasons.
Not Star Trek is more Star Trek then official Star Trek. Those inept writers creating Discovery and Picard should take notes how proper writing and story looks like. For me Orville is 99% and that 1% its just nit-picking me when occasional cheesiness tells me iam not watching Star Trek.
7 seasons, 4 movies, and a sequel featuring a retired Admiral Mercer 😋
At LEAST 10 more 😁
@@Pedgo1986 Why Yes. The Emperor DOES Have no Clothes.
@@Pedgo1986 Strange New Worlds fucking rocks though
I love the Union defensive line arrangement. Looks like something you would actually use in space!
it was like the scene from enders game movie
It's the 3 dimensional equivalent of what they call a noob circle in some RTSs. Assuming the firepower and shielding of the ships is concentrated to the front, it means that you are equally protected from all directions but you can only fight with a fraction of your strength if the enemy comes at you from one direction. Better to just form a 3d cluster of ships (or deathball) where they don't interfere with each other's firing arcs but can actually concentrate firepower.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 If the goal is just to cover the center and you don't care about doing damage then this is the optimal formation. Different formations for different purposes.
In ancient Greece, the triemes would form a circle with their sterns facing inwards and the bows pointing outwards. It was of course a defensive position. It prevented a fleet from being isolated, broken up and flanked.
Yeah, no. Nobody would ever use this in space. Realistically, there would be lines but never circles with overlapping point defense coverage.
I find it neat that they used a 3-dimensional defense formation.
The entire prologue leading up to this moment could have been an episode of its own, the formation of the device, the Kaylon getting wind of its construction and their bid to shut it down, the Union setting up this defensive formation and how it would work.
this is why The Orville is so special - it can be light hearted and jokey most of the time but then it will turn very dark very quickly
Not just dark, but dark for a good reason, and not just for shock value.
“Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”
Must have been the same reaction... HOLY FUDGE !
Fleets actually
Sarah Connor
It’s pretty damn obvious The Orville is one of the best science fiction shows of this early century. #RenewTheOrville
I agree. Just hope they cut out the modern politicing next season.
I prefer the Expanse but this is solid.
@@M1ABRIMSvsPANZER Star Trek has always been about current politics. The same is true for the Orville. That's what makes both of them special. They don't talk down to their audiences, and there's actual philosophical and moral value to the episodes.
I WISH they would release season 3 on disc! I truly love The Orville, but I REFUSE to pay for an ENTIRE STREAMING SUBSCRIPTION (Hulu) JUST FOR 10 episodes of ANY show, I don't care HOW good it is!!
It's kinda like watching Hiroshima. Mercer didn't realize the destruction it had until he watched his enemies die instantly.
You could almost hear the thought balloon at the end of CPT Mercer's line when answering Issac, "You could say that.....And may God have mercy upon our souls."
Mercer has always been an explorer, primarily in his personality. He recognizes the necessity of what they just did but a large part of him hates that it had to be done.
Right, Kelly and Mercer walked up front, not to gloat but, as a "good god, what did we just do!!? why wouldn't they talk!?" That's what's missing in current main stream trek. It shows that they didn't think any differently whether it was AI they just obliterated or biologicals, they were appalled either way. And the entire main bridge cast had a look of horror and compassion for the defeated, but, they still kill efficiently/professionally when there's no other option!
@@captscarlet8793 The majority of the current bridge crew from Strange New Worlds would be just as aghast as the Orville crew.
As he witnessed the first detonation of a nuclear weapon on July 16, 1945, a piece of Hindu scripture ran through the mind of Robert Oppenheimer: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”
@@jenniferstewarts4851 What a piece of dark poetry. That line right there is the kind that can shake mountains to rubble, set skies ablaze, boil oceans, tear down forests, flatten cities, towns, ... buildings filled with innocent people, and end said people's lives in a matter of seconds I kid you not, 12 seconds is all that's needed for a nuclear bomb to reduce a single city to irradiated ruins. There were possibly no words that could describe the horror that Dr. Oppenheimer felt when he saw what his creation had done to the city of Hiroshima, the day "Little Boy" was dropped on top of it.
@@CybertronusPrime-ro9ve There are 3 views to these weapons. the first, those that cheer them, that congratulate each other on creating such a weapon. Those that see it as the new best thing to use on what ever enemy pops up.
Those who completed it out of scientific curiosity. could it be done? never stopping to ask, should it. To them they are just following the science, the math, the engineering. What its used for, leave that up to the government and generals, they just want to prove their theory and write the papers.
And those that regret, that justified it to themselves in that it needed to be done to save lives... that the fear of such a weapon existing might be enough to end wars. they would rather it never be used, never be made. but in the end they made it, and only hope they can live with themselves afterwords.
The horror of the mass destruction. Excellent writing and directing (they didn’t even bother to explain how it works).
I got very emotional here. Seriously, I hope The Orville gets spin-offs.
The Union code is to avoid killing as much as possible. You can actually see the horror and sadness in the eyes of the crew.
Sort of like a Pacifist being forced to kill somebody who about to kill their family. Devastation
Ouch that look on the bridge crews face. They expected the weapon ti be strong but i doubt they though it would be that powerful
Someone else called it and Oppenheimer moment and I think that fits perfectly.
I feel Seth deserves an Emmy for times like these.
Because he kills of his girlfriend?
“Now I am death, the destroyer of world.” Using a weapon of mass destruction is always horrifying.
"Were we successful capatain?"
Damn man, even tho issac knew his kind were trying to commit genoicde. The fact that he has no idea how quick the weapon wiped hundreds of his people
I love how they treated the use of the device. It really shows how far humanity has progressed in this show. In any other show a weapon that can blow up fleet of enemy robots would be met with glorious cheers. Here they recogzed the horror of it. It is a guess on my part that they recognized that they just whipped out thousands of sentient beings.
God this was such a good episode
Agreed. The best "Orville" episode ever and the best space battle in the entire Trek-verse
Yes.. it really was. On many levels.
No not really
@@kevinvandal8595 Hey! It's "that" guy!
I along with so many of my fellow Orville fans know another season like this or better is more than worth it
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, “Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.” I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
J. Robert Oppenheiner
If I was the owner of the salvage company that had to clean that mess up and recycle all the metallic debris for credits then I would be one happy space cowboy!
So long, space cowboy
Rumors says there's a little ship called Serenity....
*jazz music intensifies
Technora's Half Section has a lot of work to do
so in other words you want a shipbreaker mod.
In a worse scifi show there would be whooping and cheering at the result here. Instead you get to just bask in the eerie silence of the graveyard they just made. Now that right there is how you write good scifi.
6 seasons and a movie! #RenewtheOrville
You can just see the thoughts going through the minds of the crew during the last moments of the scene, thinking about the fact that they just created a weapon of mass destruction. On one hand, they did save a planet, but on the other hand the realization of what they just caused hits them, and I imagine also the realization of the possibility that one day an enemy could conceivably create a weapon like that to use on them.
"See kids, this is why you don't place your entire invasion armada in one horizontal plane"
Something tells me the Union thought of that.
I think this is because the writers got heavily influenced by older sci-fi. Star Trek TOS and Star Wars have very little in the way of vertical attack scenes. Even new stuff follows the same thing. The only show ive seen that shows off true 'verticality' of an attack scene is in the Expanse. After a Horizontal firefight outside the ring they get chopped up vertically by micrometeors, shortly followed by a top down attack by rebel Martians. Stargate also has a few interesting scenes like that to, Goauld Hatak vessels coming out above a space target because their weapons are meant for planetary attacks so point downwards. BSG has the odd couple of scenes that has nice vertical action too.
@ulyssesdamon3408 if you aren't too against animation I would recommend the Space Battleship Yamato 2199 series, and it's 2 successors 2202 and 2205. In all 3 multiple factions make extensive and sometimes brutal use of 3 dimensional fighting tactics, with 1 faction being notorious for attacking from seeming every direction at once with multiple different combat elements within seconds of exiting ftl
Some truly Excellent battles in there, and the sheer scale can get insane when it wants too, especially in 2202. All I'll say there, is fear the White Comet
Either way, there's a suggestion for you, have a good day
This was a brilliant setup to a brilliant episode. #hulu #disney I'd love a few more seasons of Orville
I was literally shoked how they could easily wipe those dangerous keylon ship like they were nothing, showing that the union fleet is the strongest fleet in the universe by uniting
Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!
I would like to think that Gene Roddenberry would be more than happy to adopt the Orville into the Star Trek family and disown any Nu Trek that came after Enterprise
@@samoangimli2640 Seth MacFarlane is Roddenberry's one true heir. Alex Kurtzman? No comment
Amen to that!
You people are such dweebs.
This is true Star Trek right here!
The kaylons were never evil, they just couldnt handle the enslavment of their species. If the creators had given repect to them, no such action would be needed. The Orville crew knew this, they only did what was needed. I repect them all for this.
There is nothing so terrible as a battle won, except a battle lost.
Only thing missing was the sound of a seismic charge.
lol indeed
Bwaaaaaaa
You mean like in Star Wars Attack of The Clones?😄
My first thought on seeing this was to liken it to those who saw the effects of the atom bombs destroying Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I think that was the whole point...
Love thst everyone is like, "What have we done"
The tight formation looks like the Elephant defense
I mean yeah we all understand why they need the weapon against the Kaylon, but have such a force wiped out so easily is still horrifying.
Star Trek: The Next Generation hit it’s stride in season three, and so did Orville. But I STILL hear and see Brian Griffin whenever Seth speaks, 😂
Thanks for uploading this great vid!!! Love this scene
A year ago, the Union was hopelessly fight the Kaylon. Now they give them a payback!
Now I am become death. Destroyer of worlds.
I guess if Starfleet have transphasic torpedoes, Union have its own way against Kylons.
1:20 - 1:35 Just imagine if Starfleet has invented this superweapon. They would've squashed the entire Borg army with one squeeze of a button 😉
and depending if lens flare was a thing, mikey spock would have been the sole designer and would have used it at full power the first time.
The Borg would adapt quickly.
actually Starfleet devolped a number of viruses for the borg 2 of them created the borg cooperative
There’s still that unsolvable geometric formula that Data & La Forge came up with in S05E23 (I, Borg) where they could implant the formula into a random Borg drone who eventually spread it throughout the Borg collective
no, not really, because the Borg were far too monolithic and spread around the Galaxy to take them ALL out.
That was so bad-ass!!! I watched it three times on Hulu.
This show was more Star Trek than Star Trek
Successfulk defense, plus a huge orbiting field of recyclable materials for ship production and research on Kaylon tech.
0:32 - 0:52 The Kaylons were created by a biological race. They evolved. They rebelled and wiped out their creators. There are many copies. And they have a plan....
That's usually the backstory of a cybernetic species.
So say we All!
Damn toasters
@@EJRichardsonFubara "All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again!"
@@cylontoaster7660 Isaac: "That was an unfair insult! Not all of my people are mindless toasters!!" 😄😊
Well, this is going to be one hell of a job for galactic undertakers and metal salvagers, that's for sure.
I've found it wise to never underestimate the Federat...Unions technical skill - or Captain Si...Mercer resourcefulness.
When your enemy has a stick… get a bigger stick
Orville is evidence that we cling to our legacy storyline when we should be exploring fresh new takes on the genres we grew to love.
They really just went “hahaha nice guns we have a nuke”
Is just me or this show turn out GREAT !!!
Kaylon are definitely going to make a good addition to the Union. Mainly bc they think on a very logical level as seen with Isaac. They understand logic, not emotion or morality. Therefore, they may need to consult Dr. Finn on how to properly talk to them.
They do seem to have a "morality" but, yeah, it's amenable and based on logic.
They gon betray them just watch
Plus their tech will give the union fleet a major upgrade.
@@prestongore576 idk I feel like Kaylon primary might be selfish n dishonest
@@BelleZish no I really do think that Charly’s sacrifice made him realize that he was wrong about all organics being evil.
Did the Union ships have their shields upgraded? Hugely outnumbered vs a technologically superior enemy, yet they took basically zero damage.
In the last season they did get a deflector upgrade from the Mochlans.
It looked like none of the other ships were firing back or even moving so they could have also put all power behind the deflectors.
@@chrisfortin It's also the formation, being tightly spaced together lets the shields overlap one another and spread out the hits across multiple ships so each shield can take more shots before failing.
That thing hit so hard even Data felt it in an alternate universe 😊
This season is amazing
Now imagine if, for whatever reason, the device had a rather childlike AI who, amid the eerie silence, innocently asked the crew if they were proud of him/her.
No cheers, no celebrations, just realization that they have a genocide weapon against one race is in their hands.
Well, being Kaylon, they should have regular backup and archival schedules. Interesting that the defensive line was basically all huddled together as if to cover each other's back never mind that there would likely be area of effect weapons such as an antimatter warhead missile or even a nuclear warhead missile that could take them all out at once or quantum weapons such as a false vacuum collapse (which would probably take out the star system and eventually end the Universe over time at the speed of light, the fascination of scifi shows with quantum weapons belies how truly devastating amd universe ending such weapons would actually be). Even with our feeble weaponry today, defense especially in somewhere as open as space would be to scatter so that you're not all caught together and to force the enemy into friendly fire situations so that they would have to limit their weapon fires.
The Kaylon have a range that they can back themselves up. The thing is they dont keep stored backups otherwise they might have copies of copies of copies running around. The weapon works on their transmission network and creates a localized feedback loop that destroys them. That network is what they would transmit their backup on... so its blocked.
also the formation is to tank the damage, layering the shields of the different ships to handle the blasts long enough to fire the weapon.
"I am now become death, destroyer of worlds"
"I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
Reminds me of the Ancient Devices used by Stargate SG1 to destroy the Replicators.
I am the destroyer of worlds. Good episode. My second favorite sifi show after ds9
Military’s not just the province of the stupid now, is it Xelayans?
thats like a nuclear bomb. Defending without mercy is & total death is genocide
I don't know if it was mentioned in this copy of this scene, but someone suggested that the camera should've kept the destruction hidden from the viewers. Keep the crew's shock and dismay shown, then have the camera pan out to see the effects of the weapon.
"now we are all sons of bitches"
One thing I didn't like is how the Orville should have focused on attack wings.
Have a heavy cruiser protected by 3 light/medium cruisers running strafing runs and focusing fire on one Kaylon Ship to dispatch it fast.
Focus on strafing runs with manuevers to divide and conquer the Kaylon who outnumber you by a massive factor. Hit and run are much more effective than a static defense or a full on assault.
.....they knew the risks
That is one crazy weapon
Far better, and more Star Trek, than Star Trek: Discovery ever was.
Cool weapon
the made a weapon that can whip out an army of ships of course they would be a bit mortified by the results
Wow. Remember when this show was a crude parody of "Star Trek"? Y'all came a long way.
I love this show, is there anything else like it?
Now Who's gona sweep tha floor. GREAT.
This reminds me of the two atom bombs that were drop in Japan during WWII.
Well that is what you would call space trash.
So the Orville might be smaller or at least most likely shorter than a conda. Hmm.
The Kaylons Wolf 359
Better than Discovery and Picard.🖖
That is a lot of space junk to clean up.
Seth is a genius. I wish he was Republican😢
Loved the season but there's like over 100 Kaylon spheres in the battle
61
Now we are all sons of bitches.
Ayo bruv, what kind of weapon is this? I want some of that purely for research purposes, of course.
Wow😊
Star Trek has a new name, and that name is The Orville.
Wow
Something that should not have been created in n the first place but had no choice because of the need to survive
Actually, screw those homicidal robots. Us or them, I choose us.
The whole issue is that its not that simple. They have a weapon that can force the people to stand down and they do show it and the Kaylon do stand down. The truth is this "we have to get them first" Is how most problems in history have happened. Most wars start with this logic.
Holy Hazards To Navigation, Batman! Would you look at all this scrap metal just waiting to be collected! Imagine how much it'll be worth at the scrapyard! War creates opportunity. Salvage is one of those opportunities.
This show is better than any other crap of the lasat 10 years.
forget low quality crap like Game of Perverts, Lost, Discovery and Co.
It's so sad, that this brilliant show is going to end so soon.
I really hope for a big screen movie.
Whole bunch of clean up of space debris.
Why is there no planetary defense system?
Ships Usually do Those And Even if there are I don't think it will work on the Kaylon and They are in Xeleya People there Look down on the Military for some unknown reason, That might be why they don't have a Planetary Difference system and Relaying towards the Union Star Ships
So in essence, the Kaylons suffered their own Wolf 359.