@@Mikey-t8d this entire show does not look anything like any of its predecessors. It’s doing something different, and it’s only got 10 episodes out. Give it some time to grow
The tragedy is that someone let Bruce Timm off his leash. He was better when he was in a controlled environment with Paul Dini and Alan Burnett. And RIP to Dwayne Mcduffie. DC animation is the poorer with out his input.
@@damiantirado9616 if they're making a series set in a certain time period, at least, make it authentic and accurate as possible. I am also part of your so-called minority but still I am complaining that they messed up historically wise since all characters should be all white. In 1940s, there would be no black dudes in a Commissioner position in the force, and also the film studios would not allow LGBT characters in their movies. Regarding the gender swapping, they should be ashamed how they disrespect Bill Finger's vision on the character. We watch these kinds of shows for escapism and not to be taught about diversity.
@@joeofmacabre07 again you don’t know shit about writing it even the show. Batman the caped crusader just like Batman the animated series is a show set in an Anachronistic society. Aka that means that it is supposed to be timeless. In Batman the animated series it feels like the 1920s with 1990s technology. It’s not set in any time period. Batman the caped crusader is again another anachronistic style. Set in the 1940s with modern day elements. I mean look at the batmobile that isn’t any car like the 1940s. And finally Batman the caped crusader isn’t a “historical film”. Batman is a goofy character that doesn’t exist. Batman did not exist in the 1940s. So I’m pretty sure that it’s not bad writing to simply add black people as cops since it’s lore unrealistic for a man in a bat costume to beat peoples than black people as cops Again if you think Batman is more unrealistic in the 1940s than black cops that sounds racism to me. “We watch this shows for escapism” that basically means I don’t like seeing black or gays in movies I live in my own little ignorant bubble where these people don’t have rights and don’t exist”. It’s pathetic you’re pathetic. No wonder right wingers can’t make good movies. You are aware that almost everything is political especially leftist since most great filmmakers are leftists.
@damiantirado9616 BTAS had diversity as well. No one has a problem with diversity. It's this weird obsession with race/gender-swapping and identity politics that people are fed up with.
@@The_Real_Rosey_Rose so if gender and race swapping is bad I guess you must hate Tim burtons Batman, and Christopher Nolan’s dark knight trilogy. Or is race swapping hood as long as it is white washing? Secondly imagine judging the quality of a film over race swapping what a loser. A good movie is judged by the writing, acting and visuals not race.
Nothing wrong with it just sick of all animation have lgbt kid animation adult animation all of the above they just shuft thos in our throat left and right and people are sick of it@animezilla4486
He made Harley Quinn, Bruce Timm (I believe) made Roxy Rocket. Harley got BIG fast, Roxy did not due to being a single filler villain with mild popularity whereas Harley was a Sexy Sidekick for Batman's Arch Nemesis. Bruce Timm should spend more time developing his "Filler Villains" as such that they could be used more frequently in his series. More Exposure means more Fan Love for the Character, which EVERY OTHER Batman Villain outside of the TOP THREE TIERS needs. I know Bruce loves Roxy Rocket, as do i. I love most Batman villains with great personalities and comparisons to Batman. I'd put Roxy in the Arkham Series in a Prequel Trilogy if i was in charge of one but Paul Dini was instrumental in shaping BTAS to where it is now.
There's others who don't get the credit also. Like Kevin Altieri, Boyd Kirkland, or Alan Burnett, there is too much emphasis on Timm. Who admittedly had the concept that was the winning ticket but hardly the one man who made it all happen.
I’m surprised you didn’t recognize that this trope of “early Batman” is about the ego of the people creating it. Every one of them is about themselves wanting the “definitive” title. BTAS still owns it. Nolan has the big screen title. And say what you will about the guy, but at least Snyder went for the veteran Batman.
I feel like the problem with Snyder is that he rushed everything. If he just planned out his story better and made smoother more logical progressions to the characters they became they’d be received a lot better.
@@tylerjames805 I agree on that front, but he did have a road map. WB just ended up hating it. And they tried to change it after having a panic about BVS’ reception. Suicide Squad hurt it more.
With "The Batman" I assumed it was early years so they could ride the line between letting Batman be cool for an audience, and ridiculing him as a concept like they want
I think we all should have saw this coming when it was announced that Jar Jar Abrams was producing this show as well as the absence of Paul Dini as a write because Bruce Timm is nothing without him.
Considering J.J. is going to be the architect of the new DCU, I guess we already have a clear indication how the live action movies and shows will be heading. Nope no surprise at all
My ideal Batman show/movie would be a story about a 20-something years into his career Batman’s no kill rule being challenged in the same way The Winter Soldier challenged Captain America’s faith in the government, but that’s never going to happen at a DC that can’t get past year one.
South Park predicted this "Put a Chick in it and make it Gay and Lame". I'd rather rewatch BTAS. I'm realizing that Bruce Timm just did the Character Design, Paul Dini was the real creative force.
Bottom line is, there isn't enough here for me to overlook social justice, race, gender swaps and political commentary. I can rewatch BTAS anytime and it is real Batman.
I always loved that BTAS had lots of Batman and Bruce in it. The movies at the time were swagger adverts for the bad guys and I found them as boring as hell. I loved as well that Batman was a detective and didn’t wander around blindly getting kicked in like in the Nolan trilogy. Yes that came later but I was surprised by what a thick lump Batsy was in it.
@@scarecrow730he felt like a side character in most of the episodes. The only episodes where he felt like the protagonist was the gentlemen ghost and catwoman episodes.
@@marquis8867 those were literally the worst episodes and that’s not true 😂 at all lmao Batman can’t be on scene for all 24 mins lmao u need to bulding up ppl not just have them appear he’s in it plenty
The *stories* are ....fine. The *characterization* is .... baffling. They choose to draw Montoya like a brick shithouse, then have her quip about being a figure skater. Only an addled mind would write such nonsense
Hehehe so true. Montoya was not given too many episodes in Batman: TAS, but in the episode called POV she is so well done without taking away anything from Batman. That show did a lot even with less screentime for countless characters.
@@animezilla4486 It matters if she is lame and they keep repeating over and over a trope that in reality is relatively rare. "Have abortions! Go gay! Cut your dick off!". It's like they're telling us to go extinct and then they can replace us with illegal immigrants.
Love that woman in the grey top saying these people are worse than Nazis as they set fire to a library. Burning books was literally the Nazis thing!!! 🤣
Do you know what kind of books the Nazis burned? All 4,000 books? Gender reassignment,how to do sex changes,ghey rights and troons rights. Child sexual psychology books used by groomers. Lgtbxyz rights and Jews rights. Etc etc books that are just disgusting.ni found this out recently when I got curious to see what they burned. Idk it's all screwed up. But
everyone complains that Uncle A burnt books, but y'all never say what books he had burnt. it's like being called anti-semetic. they call you that, but never call you wrong.
@@Soul-cry1lmao y’all would hate Batman year one the cops are literally needed in the early stages of his career. Not to mention he wasn’t treated like a side character lmao could they hav cut down on a lil bit of it sure but that’s not the problem the show has lol not to mention comparing 2004 to this is not gunna work 5 season vs 1 and 2004 had its problems also
@scarecrow730 I disagree batman 2004 quality went down as the show went on but it was always entertaining I bored from this new batman show only like the clayface,james craddock gentlemens ghost and nocturna episodes the others where boring and forgettable. The animation was also stiff and bland at times, making it feel cheap. This show is a mess, and it's very disappointing. I hoped it would be better, and i hope it improves. But atm, it's worse than every other batman show, including beware the batman that shit cgi show
How can they claim this is a successor to the OG Batman show, when it has completely different versions of these characters? That’s like saying the Arkham games are sequels to the Dark Knight trilogy.
@@SebastianEnamorado-ql4rh why? It’s worst then the OG, but still pretty okay. I really like the Clayface and Harley episodes for example cool unique takes on the characters and not disrespecting them
It's absurd at this point how every predominantly ginger character gets turned black. Almost makes you feel like everyone in every western entertainment industry has it out for gingers.
People with red hair and blue eyes are the rarest on earth, people with dark hair and dark brown eyes are the most common on earth. Yet they're called the minority. It's gas lighting.
It certainly doesn't help the claim of 'diversity' being a codeword for 'anti-white'. Gingers in particular are a minority in pretty much every country, and part of the reason why we had so many red-heads in the past was to try to give them some representation (even if it was tokenism). But after having established well-liked ginger characters, we suddenly have Hollywood swapping them all out for black characters in the name of 'diversity' despite there being more blacks in the US (and globally).
@@williamjeffery9653 my comment got deleted and i said basically the same thing.. you just said it better.. but yea red hair people are the rarest on the planet, and them being swapped out by dark hair/dark eyes "minorities" is very ironic and borderline gaslighting.. considering theyre actually the majority..
I'm going to say no to this series. I don't like the gender swap of the Penguin, which supposedly includes how "Oswalda" is some sort of sex symbol now, even if she is objectively ugly. And it supposedly detracts from the inevitable Batman/Penguin fight scene, because you can't have a man actually beating up a woman, even if she is demonstrably evil. And there is the bait-and-switch of making a Batman series without a lot of Batman in it. Then there is the anachronism aspect of 1940s Gotham with race-swapping and out-and-proud lesbians.
I do wish the '40s would be given more credit, though. This narrator makes sarcastic mention of the decade being a time of progress and reform. But, well, it really was. Some important milestones in social relations were achieved. Small steps, to be sure, and they encountered stiff resistance. But it's not as if the '40s was some dystopian dark age.
The show is kinda anti-woke, as it features black characters in power... in the 1940s... but doesn't explore the struggle of getting to that point. It basically pretends like racism and homophobia doesn't exist.
For a show that set place in the 40s, there are lots of modernization elements here. They just can't help themselves like seriously every freaking time that set in a different time. But it doesn't matter since nobody is talking about this show and Amazon was dumb enough to buy the rights off it and then dump it all at once with no promotion or marketing what's so ever. Stick with Batman The Animated Series because you get the feels of a retro old cartoon.
That is because those morons do not know history. They have their narratives and they force them everywhere. It is the same thing as with Woman King. They take a story and then they twist and pervert it to fit into their preferred narrative, resulting their story only bearing name of original and barely having anything in common.
No wonder why Warner brothers didn’t want it in hindsight it was one of the smarter decisions they’ve made in awhile and that’s saying something about a company that’s literally allergic to money
Disagree with everything you just said first of all people are talking about this show what are you even talking about and I heard that it done very well in the ratings for Amazon prime so what you say doesn't make a lot of sense if you don't like to show that's totally fine but others will like it is soda has some modernization it's not that big of a deal the story in the characters are still decent and that's what's most important
@@MrLeerolljankinsyou are wrong all the way you are wrong Warner Bros never had a problem with the this cartoon cartoon you seem to forget that they had a lot of money issues they never hate this show
Even little kids wanted their self-inserts to do good, save others, and be as cool as their heroes. Now, it's all about glorifying a mere identity to fill a fanfic writer's empty life and frail ego.
@@davidbranch1077No.. it’s just a female character. Are you this dense all the time? LMFAOO they even went so far as to give this penguin a different name and entirely new lore
@will441 different name yeah Oswalda cobblepot what a totally cool new and creative name from the normal Oswald cobblepot lol and many people think her episode is the worst outta the entire first season it was not a good starting point and honestly just a dumb adaptation. If your gonna change something change it for the better not worse
when I saw it drop I started skimming through a random episode, I like the art style, but then I got to black barbara gordon and that was enough for me to give it a hard pass, I enjoyed most of XMen 97 btw and aside from a couple episodes, I had never seen the original of that series
First, it was gay Superboy and his ecoterrorist boyfriend. Then Red Robin turned into a bisexual duckling. Gotham High starred a crazy rich asian Bruce Wayne as Edward from Twilight. And an ugly dwarf was Starfire's daughter. Now make way for PENGUINA vs THE CRINGE CRUSADER.
I got turned off to this show when I saw the ‘Harley, Renee and Barbara’ sitting down and talking screenshot. If you had told me those were different, new characters, I would have believed you.
@@will441By that logic, make Bruce Wayne an billionaire obese trans black woman name “Bruce Wayne.” That does everything Batman does but the appearance is different. See the issue here?
Is this post WWII or pre WWII? Why doesn't Bats have 40's dated tech? Why are there a bunch of Minorities in an era where not many had high positions of power like Barbara as a Lawyer or Gordon as Commissioner/Captain? Why do they show The Swat enforcment unit when the S.W.A.T Police wasn't founded until the mid-1960's? Why is the Specter not at all how he is when he's jusy another thug? Why make this a period piece if they're not making this set in certain said period?
does it even matter? it’s a fictional story where there race or sexuality doesn’t play a factor in the shows world which in my opinion makes the show better
To be fair, that's just how every version of Gotham City is. BTAS had Zeppelins, leather football helmets, 20s style gangsters, but it also had SWAT, modern sports cars, energy weapons, and robots (and 30 or so years later it's Batman Beyond with flying cars, and before that it's Justice League which is just straight up the 21st century). It's always been a mixture of time periods, that's what allows it to be timeless.
@@enityzeus1755you lost the feeling and meaning that the og show had. It didn’t just throw us into the characters it built into it. It didn’t matter why they changed Character. How they do it and what they do it for will define how the show runs
They never set the series in a precise time period in fact they never mentioned it, and they don't have to, why should we limit the fantasy of the writers by forcing them to set the story in a specific time? They made the show with an idea of the period they wanted and that's enough, it doesn't have to be perfect because it's not a damn documentary about the 40s it's a batman show, the period is just the contest where the characters live. Why are there so much minorities in high positions in an era where it would be difficult for them to achieve said positions? Because the show doesn't want to be "batman in the 40s" it's simply not what the writers were aiming for
Why race-swap the Gordons? Jim and Barbara have always been Caucasian, so going out of their way to brownwash them doesn't seem that great; people get all up-in-arms if characters are whitewashed, but apparently brownwashing them is A-OK. Ugh. Barbara also being much older than normal, and being a DA instead of a librarian, are also very strange decisions. Additionally, why bring back Harley fucking Quinn YET AGAIN? So sick of this stupid goddamn character; sure, she became popular after Batman: TAS, but does she really need to be in practically EVERYTHING since? Give her a rest, for once, DC! Oh, and I just realised they gender-swapped the Penguin. WHY. So bizarre and stupid; Penguin's always been a short, fat guy with a monocle, and he should have stayed that way; gender-swapping characters, just like race-swapping, is lazy and nonsensical in my mind. Just NO. If this show does the same thing as The Batman by making Barbara a Bat before Dick Grayson (who, from what I can tell, is still quite young)...then this show will have no appeal for me. I just can't stand Batgirl (or Batwoman) as a character, as she's completely redundant and extraneous compared to the classic Dynamic Duo pairing of Batman & Robin; when it comes to fighting and crime-busting, that's always been a man's role, what with fit and healthy guys far outstripping girls in physical strength and stamina (due to natural sexual dimorphism). Batgirl's never had a place here, in my book; her best role is as Oracle, supporting the Duo with info, rather than somehow beating up thugs physically stronger than her.
@@Nicejokerightno, that’s not at all the argument nor the point. Pretty hard Strawman there. Penguin being solely a woman but retaining her crime boss status and personality is not a big deal, and you can add fun bits like her being s dancer and such. Making Batman a Trans Obese Woman (which is a weird combination to point out and aren’t similar but ok) would subtract so many elements from Batman, such as his fighting skills, inherited wealth, and the Bruce Wayne-Batman dynamic. In the Penguin’s case, it’s painting slapping on a new coat of paint on a car. In the Batman’s case, it’s just replacing parts of the car til it’s something new. The argument here is that the gender-swap does not diminish the character of the penguin, which people tend to latch on to what gender swaps “ruin”.
I was planning on giving the show a watch because I loved the original animated series so much, but now I’m hesitant because of the reported woke elements. I don’t like it when they try to impose modern sensibilities on a period piece. It kills the immersion. I’ll probably still check it out, but I’m in no rush.
In my opinion the show is not that bad as people make it out to be of course you're going to have those anti-woke groups complain about every single thing I'm fully aware they made some changes to certain characters by the end of the day who cares it's all about the writing
A way Batman Caped Crusader could have worked with a black Jim Gordon and Barbara Gordon is by not making black Jim Gordon police commissioner. Back in the day there was a comic, Batman: Year One. It dealt with Batman in his first year crimefighting and dealing with a corrupt city government and police force who were in on the urban decay with the mob. A 30s-40s Batman could have run with that and had Batman being effective in cleaning up crime syndicates and mobsters in opposition to the Gotham elite's wishes. Where a black Jim Gordon could have come into this is by maybe having Gordon be a leader of the Gotham dockworkers, or warehouse workers, or general working class group who the Gotham city government dismisses as a nonentity. That could have been an interesting dichotomy. The elite hate Batman as a vigilante for ruining their corrupt graft while the blue collar working class like Batman for taking out the criminals no matter who they were or who they were connected to Downtown. That could have worked for subtly acknowledging 1940s racism while not making it obvious and having black Jim Gordon be like Batman's pulse to keep track of what was going on in the street. That could have worked as a good kind of duality to explore. Rich Bruce Wayne is completely out of his element as a vigilante and who he associates with to be effective as Batman, but learns and evolves and takes on the criminal element from the bottom street level up, following the connections to the bosses in their fitted suits and offices and high society parties. Instead we got this.
This is EXACTLY what put me off the Arrowverse's LEGENDS OF TOMORROW -- early-mid 20th century settings with up to the minute, 21st century sensibilities.
@@dreamcastfan While it's true there was a lot of gender swap and race there is no girl boss just got done watching the series and there was no trace of girl boss. Female characters were kicking a lot of buty but that doesn't mean the male characters were weaker anything
From what I've seen, Caped Crusader could've worked well if Bruce Timm and company didn't crank the Wokeness levels to 15 and above. Though, if you're looking for an entertaining Batman period piece, I'd definitely recommend the book Gotham 1919-1939 by Giant Panda King. It basically reads like what if the world of Batman actually existed, but took place from 1919 to 1939.
It’s not the woke that bothers me in all honesty you all cry too much. The real failings are the boring characters the flat lifeless animation the lack of any batman characterisation (and at points even assassination) and Ofc the dull forgettable villains I think clay face was there and he got punched, yeah sure why not? Harley Quinn was erm something two face was kind of good but they made him crooked from the start so his whole justice schtick fell completely flat and contradictory they didn’t even use much jekyll and Hyde and Ofc a vampire girl and a ghost if i forget anymore it’s because they were forgettable entirely. Failing batman as a character and the characterisation of his rouges is already telling its failed as a show. But let’s not focus on the woke cry baby shit u all pull this show might be salvageable and I don’t want it cancelled just because people hate the existence of black people. Gordon was black in pattinson batman and penguin was forgettable and boring they could easily recast although him being a white male was integral to the alternative Bruce dynamic again another failing of characterisation
I won’t be watching the show because modern identity politics is put in the show. They could still deal with the issues but it should be unwraps as it was during this time period. There was so many social issues that the 1940s had that could be talked about. If they want to talk about modern issues, then they should linked them like the first Quantum Leap did. By showing a distorted view of the 1940s, then you are taking away the social advancements that we made during that decade. Period pieces are supposed to give you a glimpse of the life and limitations that time frame had. The swaps of a character’s identity also diminished who they are because now they have to be a stand in for the show’s forced messaging.
That's 100% ridiculous just because they change some characters that doesn't mean their personalities or the character itself is diminished. And there's definitely is no Force messaging in dare that's total rubbish just because it has some characters change or gay characters that doesn't automatically mean it has anything to do with agenda people can't tell the difference between and what's creative choices
@@animezilla4486 If a character’s identity doesn’t matter, then why change in the first place? The creator of show changed it for a reason which was to show force diversity like a black police commissioner during the height of the Jim Crow era and where being gay was considered a mental illness in the 1940s. I agree that it was a choice to change it because of the modern day idea “that I need to see my identity in a character”. So if there were black characters changed to white characters and gay characters changed to straight characters by your logic “of it doesn’t diminished the character”, so you would be fine with it going in the opposite direction?
I went into it with an open mind. Once I saw a huge hideous female version of the penguin dazzling a room full of rich business tycoons, I had to turn it off. “Just say no” to DEI
Jup, Its like what JJ & Timm were saying is; _These_ (or We) Elites & big buisness tycoons are into slobish really disgusting cross-dressing transformers who perform. > Massive Hollywood insider projecting or freudian slip-ing.
It doesn't forget it's a Batman show, it's just an intentional bait and switch using the Batman IP to bring in the established fan base, and force them to watch a show about ugly female girl bosses
Batman Caped Crusader is Garbage it has J.J. Abrams name attached to it so of course it was going to suck. J.J. is destroyer of Star Wars Star Trek and now Batman.
Using 'Batman: Caped Crusader' as a bait-and-switch for a show starring "queer women of color" the exact same way 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' was. Why am I not surprised.
@@longtsun8286 Ignorance? What are you talking about? You’d rather have BLAND, stereotypical and BORING side-characters and only focus on one main character? You must like watching paint dry.
@@will441 The fact 'Batman' is NOT a romance or a porn series, where Harley Quinn's sexuality would actually MATTER- it's an action-adventure, detective mystery and crimefighting series where her sexuality is UTTERLY IRRELEVANT.
I could like a Black Batgirl. Would have been awesome and refreshing. But she doesn't act like Barbara Gordon. Girl Bossing Harvey and Penguin and whatever is one thing, but she even Girl Bosses her own father. And that, is not, Barbara Gordon.
What's refreshing about race swapping a white red head to black? They've been doing it since 2015. Also, the black bat girl film was meant to be so bad that they cancelled it and made it a tax write-off.
I'm really into history so I hate it when the past gets "reinterpretted for a modern audience". A culture that doesnt understand its past has a very dark future ahead. Id rather not be reminded of how far we have fallen so quickly.
It's very rare that I agree with half the stuff you rant about. But with this topic, I 100% total agree with! I don't care if they screw up Star Wars and Marvel. But DO NOT mess with the The Dark Knight and his Rogues Gallery of villans!
If the gender swaps and diverse identities were less focused on I would not care, but the worst part about Harley Quinn is that they expose her as a villain in the same episode where she enters a relationship with Renee. I was staring at the scenes between them confused because on one hand, the show clearly treats the relationship as something to root for. But then the show turns around and shows Quinn relentlessly torturing people.
Being a Southie in Boston as a kid, Batman was my first "hero". Getting tired of shitty slash fan fic self insert dribblers passing themselves off as creatives. After trailers full of race and gender swaps, interjected sexual identity unrelated to story telling, very little Batman in a Batman series and wtf did they do the Penguin? I'll pass. And yeah, Batman's ears are odd. Just another indicator that there is no creative oversight.
I find it funny how people who maje these changes put so much emphasis on their identity and create a victimhood based on the struggles not they themselves but rather their demographic faced i the past, yet instead of showing this steuggle they are only too keen to erase that in historic settings. Montoya would face criticism enough as an ethnic woman in a male dominated job (especially inthe fourties) but since her relationships usually are a big part of her comic appearances it'd be interesting to see her struggle hiding her sexuality or face the homophobic that would be "normal" at the time. Similar with The Gordon instead of having Jim simply be painted black without issues. Make him a struggling detective working with Montoya both struggling to fit in at the NYPD (arent those types of writers usually only to happy to paint every cop a racist? Go back to the fourties and most people would be). Then Bullock could serve as their only friend at thw police. And if it's about a black person in a position of power take Lucius Fox and have Bruce keeping to defend his choice of making him CEO or CTO against his snobby board of directors.
@@ashhhhhhhhhhhhhhh she was not bland she was mad, charismatic by dancing, and doing all the other shit, and she was ruthless she was literally penguin but a girl version lol ik it sucks they ain’t use the real one but still tht don’t make her bad
Im not a fan of it usually but it doesn't immediately make it bad. Jim Gordon has been black multiple times it's pretty well established. We haven't really had black Barbara before but those stories just didn't include her by circumstances. Penguin being a woman is a bit jarring and probably unnecessary but comics do shit like that all the time and doesn't mean it's woke. Harley being Asian it's really minor too imo it's just kinda her eyes that look different they didn't change her last name or something like that. I think out of all race/gender swapping this show and the Superman anime do it the best. They're still just good characters.
My guess is there was an old script/treatment for a Detective Comics style Batman show floating around for YEARS, it just never got made Then lazy wokesters found it, "tweaked" it up (add a gay here, a fat person there), and BAM! A 'new' show was created. There is nobody lazier than an SJW, and that's why this show is so disjointed. It was a half-ass corruption of a half-finished product, and it shows. The animation is nice, but it's really just all wasted.
Blatantly, maliciously going after the fans. People will inevitably defend this, but it's so obvious what they're doing. "Different" for the sake of different isn't helping anyone. It's under the cloud of "representation", but it's obviously done to make decades long fans furious. There's no attempt to add anything, or to pop fans of the comics, the old tv show, the movies, or anything. It's strictly to anger your loyal fans. And that rather stupid business model never, ever works. How can anyone seriously defend this? Appealing to this incredibly small audience has killed networks, lost jobs, ended franchises. Remember The CW? Dead, because they went all in, on DEI, and sidelined the main heroes.
The only 2 things I liked about this series was Clayface 1, Boris Karlow, which was cool to see an old Rogue Gallery character. And 2 was the O.G. Catwoman outifit. I stopped after the Harley episode so I don't know what happens after that. The first thing I thought of when Alfred appeared was "Hey, Hey, Hey, It's Fatttt Alfred".
I got " The Batman" vibes from what little bit I saw. "The Batman" with TAS/ retro paint and DEI quotas. I hated 'The Batman ' and I hate DEI . The voice acting and the cowl design don't help either. Guess this show won't be worth my time. Shame.
Honestly, my biggest compliment about this Batman show is how little they actually use Batman. Seriously, it's ridiculous how little Batman is on screen.
@@KingShibe yeah your right I never did. I didn't have a phone till my 16 birthday🤦🏾♂️😂, I could barely even play T games at 13. My point is, is that you are expecting it to be non inappropriate for a 13 year old WHEN ITS TV 14! 😭😂
@@Mr.Panther2320Yesterday I was at cinema on Deadpool and Wolverine and there were 12 year olds on R-movie Also Iam 20 years old and yet doing "EEEEW" when characters kiss in animated kids series
I have enjoyed the show so far. Don't get me wrong, the same things you mentioned stick out for me to, but you just have to try and overlook those things when you watch it. I do like how they've added extra layers to some of the villains, so they aren't just 'bad' people out to do 'bad' things for the sake of it, they have legitimate reasons for doing what they do. Overall, it's not going to replace BTAS but there is still enjoyment to be taken from the show.
Harley is a trash character and the worst sacrilege that Paul Dini could've come up with, and the writers dragged Poison Ivy with her right into the pit. I miss those days when femme fatales like Poison Ivy were not lesbians or bi by default.
@@TheBatman39 I really don’t care. Harley was in crazy love with Joker. The Ivy thing was just a strong bond not actual love. I was kind of unserious about it. Plus I do think Harley only works in small doses. Too much of her and it does become overkill
Do you really think the show runners care about the fans? I’ll tell you the truth. They’re doing this deliberately to destroy the franchise like they’ve done everything else. You really need to be realistic about that cause they really don’t care about the franchises they don’t care about good storytelling they just want to destroy the franchise, why because Batman is a man and they don’t care about men they hate men. They’re doing all the work nonsense that they can to destroy this franchise. I love Batman. I grew up with Batman and this makes me angry. No way with what they’re doing with exist in 1940s and they know that, but they don’t care about the fans they don’t care about the franchise they want to give you the finger.
I could not get pass 3rd episode due to how sloppy the art was. Whoever did the art did not understand perspective and scale. Characters looked bigger in 1 scene then smaller in the next. I could not tell if Montoya was supposed to be on the thicker or thinner side. Batman looked weird when he was doing any action except for standing or sitting straight. I could go on and on. I was even prepared to overlook the obvious DEI tone, but the art (style) just broke the immersion for me.
Anything associated with Jar Jar Abrams is going to suck.
He is the destroyer … the Galactus of classic franchises
Batman Beyond is the only one that tried something new.
And it was actually cool.
@GamerDude-xz8up I agree, I own the blu-ray.
@@Mikey-t8d this entire show does not look anything like any of its predecessors. It’s doing something different, and it’s only got 10 episodes out. Give it some time to grow
It was new but technically it was just the same ol' peter parker stories but dressed up as batman
@@AntondelaCruz2 wdym peter parker stories…
The tragedy is that someone let Bruce Timm off his leash. He was better when he was in a controlled environment with Paul Dini and Alan Burnett. And RIP to Dwayne Mcduffie. DC animation is the poorer with out his input.
Nah this show is great. Well written. The problem is you guys hate diversity
@@damiantirado9616 if they're making a series set in a certain time period, at least, make it authentic and accurate as possible. I am also part of your so-called minority but still I am complaining that they messed up historically wise since all characters should be all white. In 1940s, there would be no black dudes in a Commissioner position in the force, and also the film studios would not allow LGBT characters in their movies. Regarding the gender swapping, they should be ashamed how they disrespect Bill Finger's vision on the character.
We watch these kinds of shows for escapism and not to be taught about diversity.
@@joeofmacabre07 again you don’t know shit about writing it even the show.
Batman the caped crusader just like Batman the animated series is a show set in an Anachronistic society. Aka that means that it is supposed to be timeless.
In Batman the animated series it feels like the 1920s with 1990s technology.
It’s not set in any time period.
Batman the caped crusader is again another anachronistic style. Set in the 1940s with modern day elements. I mean look at the batmobile that isn’t any car like the 1940s.
And finally Batman the caped crusader isn’t a “historical film”. Batman is a goofy character that doesn’t exist. Batman did not exist in the 1940s. So I’m pretty sure that it’s not bad writing to simply add black people as cops since it’s lore unrealistic for a man in a bat costume to beat peoples than black people as cops
Again if you think Batman is more unrealistic in the 1940s than black cops that sounds racism to me.
“We watch this shows for escapism” that basically means I don’t like seeing black or gays in movies I live in my own little ignorant bubble where these people don’t have rights and don’t exist”.
It’s pathetic you’re pathetic. No wonder right wingers can’t make good movies. You are aware that almost everything is political especially leftist since most great filmmakers are leftists.
@damiantirado9616 BTAS had diversity as well. No one has a problem with diversity. It's this weird obsession with race/gender-swapping and identity politics that people are fed up with.
@@The_Real_Rosey_Rose so if gender and race swapping is bad I guess you must hate Tim burtons Batman, and Christopher Nolan’s dark knight trilogy.
Or is race swapping hood as long as it is white washing?
Secondly imagine judging the quality of a film over race swapping what a loser.
A good movie is judged by the writing, acting and visuals not race.
South Park was right. J.J. Abrams is running everything! 😂
Plus he did the Kathleen Kennedy meme, and put multiple chicks in it and made them gay.
No he didn't that makes no sense you seemed forgot that Bruce timm is involved with this as well
@@stevenkraft8070it has gay characters so what
Nothing wrong with it just sick of all animation have lgbt kid animation adult animation all of the above they just shuft thos in our throat left and right and people are sick of it@animezilla4486
Some people would called jojo bizarre adventures gay but the main character kills gay villans lol
Just shows how little Bruce Timm had to do with the greatness of BTAS. It is Paul Dini who should get the praise, not the over hyped designer.
He made Harley Quinn, Bruce Timm (I believe) made Roxy Rocket. Harley got BIG fast, Roxy did not due to being a single filler villain with mild popularity whereas Harley was a Sexy Sidekick for Batman's Arch Nemesis. Bruce Timm should spend more time developing his "Filler Villains" as such that they could be used more frequently in his series. More Exposure means more Fan Love for the Character, which EVERY OTHER Batman Villain outside of the TOP THREE TIERS needs.
I know Bruce loves Roxy Rocket, as do i. I love most Batman villains with great personalities and comparisons to Batman. I'd put Roxy in the Arkham Series in a Prequel Trilogy if i was in charge of one but Paul Dini was instrumental in shaping BTAS to where it is now.
Always loved Dini more because of Heart of Ice
dont forget dwayne mcduffie, though i cant remember if he was there by then or came later
There's others who don't get the credit also. Like Kevin Altieri, Boyd Kirkland, or Alan Burnett, there is too much emphasis on Timm. Who admittedly had the concept that was the winning ticket but hardly the one man who made it all happen.
@garycannon4644 I am almost certain McDuffie was not in BTAS or STAS.
I’m surprised you didn’t recognize that this trope of “early Batman” is about the ego of the people creating it. Every one of them is about themselves wanting the “definitive” title. BTAS still owns it. Nolan has the big screen title. And say what you will about the guy, but at least Snyder went for the veteran Batman.
I feel like the problem with Snyder is that he rushed everything. If he just planned out his story better and made smoother more logical progressions to the characters they became they’d be received a lot better.
@@tylerjames805 I agree on that front, but he did have a road map. WB just ended up hating it. And they tried to change it after having a panic about BVS’ reception. Suicide Squad hurt it more.
Nah, Burton owns the Batman movie titles to me. Those were more sourceful to me.
With "The Batman" I assumed it was early years so they could ride the line between letting Batman be cool for an audience, and ridiculing him as a concept like they want
I'm fine with a veteran Batman. But Batman v Superman is not Batman
I think we all should have saw this coming when it was announced that Jar Jar Abrams was producing this show as well as the absence of Paul Dini as a write because Bruce Timm is nothing without him.
Paul Dini carried BTAS and you can tell.
Considering J.J. is going to be the architect of the new DCU, I guess we already have a clear indication how the live action movies and shows will be heading. Nope no surprise at all
What is with JJ Abrams and race & gender swapping.
That doesn't make it a bad show it's still good wow I can never compete with the original Batman the animated series this still was a decent show
@@darkwolfe6286where did you hear this?
Why does Harley Quinn's Butler/Diver look more like Alfred than Bruce Wayne's Butler
Abbrams having his hands all over this series is a death sentence.
It's the Kelvin timeline all over again
My ideal Batman show/movie would be a story about a 20-something years into his career Batman’s no kill rule being challenged in the same way The Winter Soldier challenged Captain America’s faith in the government, but that’s never going to happen at a DC that can’t get past year one.
Watch under the red hood
So basically BvS?
Jeff’s right, Batman’s mask in this does look…off. Like that Long Halloween mask.
It’s from a different version of his look. We’ve seen many styles but you right he seems a bit off
It’s Golden Age Batman.
South Park predicted this "Put a Chick in it and make it Gay and Lame". I'd rather rewatch BTAS. I'm realizing that Bruce Timm just did the Character Design, Paul Dini was the real creative force.
And Alan Burnett
Love original batman 90s good show. Woke batman 2024 so bad.
Bottom line is, there isn't enough here for me to overlook social justice, race, gender swaps and political commentary. I can rewatch BTAS anytime and it is real Batman.
My view 100%
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Same and I believe if the original did this they could’ve done better
Righht the first batman had no political commentary sure most 6 yr olds dont grasp that
Why the hell do you care
Best episode was the Gentleman Ghost one. Mainly because it actually had Batman for more than 10 minutes
I always loved that BTAS had lots of Batman and Bruce in it. The movies at the time were swagger adverts for the bad guys and I found them as boring as hell. I loved as well that Batman was a detective and didn’t wander around blindly getting kicked in like in the Nolan trilogy. Yes that came later but I was surprised by what a thick lump Batsy was in it.
That was literally the worst episode lmao and the othe ones had him in it to tf were u watchin
@@scarecrow730he felt like a side character in most of the episodes. The only episodes where he felt like the protagonist was the gentlemen ghost and catwoman episodes.
@@marquis8867 those were literally the worst episodes and that’s not true 😂 at all lmao Batman can’t be on scene for all 24 mins lmao u need to bulding up ppl not just have them appear he’s in it plenty
@@scarecrow730 I never said they were the best episodes but in every other he feels like a side character next to the cops and Harvey
Just watch TAS. Kevin was best Batman.
The *stories* are ....fine. The *characterization* is .... baffling. They choose to draw Montoya like a brick shithouse, then have her quip about being a figure skater. Only an addled mind would write such nonsense
Hehehe so true. Montoya was not given too many episodes in Batman: TAS, but in the episode called POV she is so well done without taking away anything from Batman. That show did a lot even with less screentime for countless characters.
...You do realize that there are fat figure skaters right? No clue how that counts as a characterization critique
@@esosa7725 Thanks for breaking the ice ;p
@@esosa7725and they are shit compared to their contemporaries.
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299Heavy comment! 😂
They put a chick in it and made it lame and gay!?!?? Color me surprised.
okay grampa we get it you hate women and gay people
Lol 😂😂😂😂 you had me rolling
Who cares having gay characters is not that big of a deal
@@animezilla4486 It matters if she is lame and they keep repeating over and over a trope that in reality is relatively rare. "Have abortions! Go gay! Cut your dick off!". It's like they're telling us to go extinct and then they can replace us with illegal immigrants.
@@animezilla4486 they cared enough to put them in
Love that woman in the grey top saying these people are worse than Nazis as they set fire to a library.
Burning books was literally the Nazis thing!!! 🤣
Do you know what kind of books the Nazis burned? All 4,000 books?
Gender reassignment,how to do sex changes,ghey rights and troons rights. Child sexual psychology books used by groomers. Lgtbxyz rights and Jews rights. Etc etc books that are just disgusting.ni found this out recently when I got curious to see what they burned. Idk it's all screwed up. But
and everyone dictadura and totalitarism goberment
"Those who ignore History are doomed to repeat it"
- Some Depressed Asswipe on TH-cam.
everyone complains that Uncle A burnt books, but y'all never say what books he had burnt.
it's like being called anti-semetic. they call you that, but never call you wrong.
Always nice to see you in an unexpected comment section, Larry.
Very disappointing show I only liked episodes 2 and 8. Is a shame because it had potencial but they couldn't deliver
The Batman from 2004 is better
He was a side character in his own show, they gave the cops way too much screen time
@@Soul-cry1lmao y’all would hate Batman year one the cops are literally needed in the early stages of his career. Not to mention he wasn’t treated like a side character lmao could they hav cut down on a lil bit of it sure but that’s not the problem the show has lol not to mention comparing 2004 to this is not gunna work 5 season vs 1 and 2004 had its problems also
@scarecrow730 batman 2004 The first 10 episodes are better than this trash batman show first 10 episodes
@@Logan-vf4zv yea they are but that dont make this one trash when it’s better than 04s worst season
@scarecrow730 I disagree batman 2004 quality went down as the show went on but it was always entertaining I bored from this new batman show only like the clayface,james craddock gentlemens ghost and nocturna episodes the others where boring and forgettable. The animation was also stiff and bland at times, making it feel cheap. This show is a mess, and it's very disappointing. I hoped it would be better, and i hope it improves. But atm, it's worse than every other batman show, including beware the batman that shit cgi show
How can they claim this is a successor to the OG Batman show, when it has completely different versions of these characters? That’s like saying the Arkham games are sequels to the Dark Knight trilogy.
Successor ≠ sequel? Very simple. And it is pretty much that, debatable if it’s good or not but has a very similar vibe and fundation
@@bencebabinszki is a trash show this one
@@SebastianEnamorado-ql4rh why? It’s worst then the OG, but still pretty okay. I really like the Clayface and Harley episodes for example cool unique takes on the characters and not disrespecting them
@@bencebabinszki they ruin the character meat bag
@@SebastianEnamorado-ql4rh In writing not
It's absurd at this point how every predominantly ginger character gets turned black. Almost makes you feel like everyone in every western entertainment industry has it out for gingers.
People with red hair and blue eyes are the rarest on earth, people with dark hair and dark brown eyes are the most common on earth. Yet they're called the minority. It's gas lighting.
Their anti-racism tactics turns out to be a form of racism in itself.
It certainly doesn't help the claim of 'diversity' being a codeword for 'anti-white'. Gingers in particular are a minority in pretty much every country, and part of the reason why we had so many red-heads in the past was to try to give them some representation (even if it was tokenism). But after having established well-liked ginger characters, we suddenly have Hollywood swapping them all out for black characters in the name of 'diversity' despite there being more blacks in the US (and globally).
Blacks just absolutely have to involve themselves in everything, remember that they wazzz kangssss
@@williamjeffery9653 my comment got deleted and i said basically the same thing.. you just said it better.. but yea red hair people are the rarest on the planet, and them being swapped out by dark hair/dark eyes "minorities" is very ironic and borderline gaslighting.. considering theyre actually the majority..
I see they’re taking Jokers words seriously “it’s not about money, it’s about sending a message.”
I'm going to say no to this series. I don't like the gender swap of the Penguin, which supposedly includes how "Oswalda" is some sort of sex symbol now, even if she is objectively ugly. And it supposedly detracts from the inevitable Batman/Penguin fight scene, because you can't have a man actually beating up a woman, even if she is demonstrably evil. And there is the bait-and-switch of making a Batman series without a lot of Batman in it. Then there is the anachronism aspect of 1940s Gotham with race-swapping and out-and-proud lesbians.
I do wish the '40s would be given more credit, though. This narrator makes sarcastic mention of the decade being a time of progress and reform. But, well, it really was. Some important milestones in social relations were achieved. Small steps, to be sure, and they encountered stiff resistance. But it's not as if the '40s was some dystopian dark age.
There is no such thing as objectively ugly
The show is kinda anti-woke, as it features black characters in power... in the 1940s... but doesn't explore the struggle of getting to that point. It basically pretends like racism and homophobia doesn't exist.
@@TheBlueArmageddon because it isn’t a main focus? It doesn’t want to focus on racism and stuff like that
@@mayonnaise3959 which is a shame, cause that would have been an interesting place to take it
For a show that set place in the 40s, there are lots of modernization elements here. They just can't help themselves like seriously every freaking time that set in a different time. But it doesn't matter since nobody is talking about this show and Amazon was dumb enough to buy the rights off it and then dump it all at once with no promotion or marketing what's so ever. Stick with Batman The Animated Series because you get the feels of a retro old cartoon.
That is because those morons do not know history. They have their narratives and they force them everywhere. It is the same thing as with Woman King.
They take a story and then they twist and pervert it to fit into their preferred narrative, resulting their story only bearing name of original and barely having anything in common.
No wonder why Warner brothers didn’t want it in hindsight it was one of the smarter decisions they’ve made in awhile and that’s saying something about a company that’s literally allergic to money
The studios are literally REQUIRED to do this.
Disagree with everything you just said first of all people are talking about this show what are you even talking about and I heard that it done very well in the ratings for Amazon prime so what you say doesn't make a lot of sense if you don't like to show that's totally fine but others will like it is soda has some modernization it's not that big of a deal the story in the characters are still decent and that's what's most important
@@MrLeerolljankinsyou are wrong all the way you are wrong Warner Bros never had a problem with the this cartoon cartoon you seem to forget that they had a lot of money issues they never hate this show
Even little kids wanted their self-inserts to do good, save others, and be as cool as their heroes. Now, it's all about glorifying a mere identity to fill a fanfic writer's empty life and frail ego.
Slash fanfic writers could come up with better stuff than THIS and that' saying something.
@5:08 Soooo , this penguin, is Trans?
@@davidbranch1077No.. it’s just a female character. Are you this dense all the time? LMFAOO they even went so far as to give this penguin a different name and entirely new lore
@@will441people just complain nowadays. They made her a woman. So what. They kept the character good and made her evil af. That’s all that matters.
@will441 different name yeah Oswalda cobblepot what a totally cool new and creative name from the normal Oswald cobblepot lol and many people think her episode is the worst outta the entire first season it was not a good starting point and honestly just a dumb adaptation. If your gonna change something change it for the better not worse
I honestly see why this show was shopped around.
when I saw it drop I started skimming through a random episode, I like the art style, but then I got to black barbara gordon and that was enough for me to give it a hard pass, I enjoyed most of XMen 97 btw and aside from a couple episodes, I had never seen the original of that series
First, it was gay Superboy and his ecoterrorist boyfriend. Then Red Robin turned into a bisexual duckling. Gotham High starred a crazy rich asian Bruce Wayne as Edward from Twilight. And an ugly dwarf was Starfire's daughter. Now make way for PENGUINA vs THE CRINGE CRUSADER.
Man, calling trashfire a "Dwarf" ... What did dwarves ever do to you, gentleman?
trashfire is not good enough to be called a "goblin" , even...
When was Bruce ever Asian in Gotham?😂
@@herbz7143 Good catch, sir.
I meant GOTHAM HIGH. Thank you.
I got turned off to this show when I saw the ‘Harley, Renee and Barbara’ sitting down and talking screenshot. If you had told me those were different, new characters, I would have believed you.
they are different, new characters. it is a different, new show
Its crazy how so many of you dont understand how a character can have multiple iterations of itself
@@will441
Fuck your stupid excuses. These are not the characters. Don't give us that "iteration" nonsense.🤡
@@will441By that logic, make Bruce Wayne an billionaire obese trans black woman name “Bruce Wayne.” That does everything Batman does but the appearance is different. See the issue here?
@@Nicejokeright no, I see literally no issue
This isn’t Batman. It’s a race-swap, gender-swap parody version of the original.
I just knew that show was going to be woke trash. I'm glad I didn't waste my time.
I don't trust WB to do anything right, so yeah, ain't giving it the time of day outside of videos such as these to prove my point
Is this post WWII or pre WWII? Why doesn't Bats have 40's dated tech? Why are there a bunch of Minorities in an era where not many had high positions of power like Barbara as a Lawyer or Gordon as Commissioner/Captain? Why do they show The Swat enforcment unit when the S.W.A.T Police wasn't founded until the mid-1960's? Why is the Specter not at all how he is when he's jusy another thug? Why make this a period piece if they're not making this set in certain said period?
does it even matter? it’s a fictional story where there race or sexuality doesn’t play a factor in the shows world which in my opinion makes the show better
@@enityzeus1755 Yes it does matter, and it sucks.
To be fair, that's just how every version of Gotham City is. BTAS had Zeppelins, leather football helmets, 20s style gangsters, but it also had SWAT, modern sports cars, energy weapons, and robots (and 30 or so years later it's Batman Beyond with flying cars, and before that it's Justice League which is just straight up the 21st century). It's always been a mixture of time periods, that's what allows it to be timeless.
@@enityzeus1755you lost the feeling and meaning that the og show had. It didn’t just throw us into the characters it built into it. It didn’t matter why they changed Character. How they do it and what they do it for will define how the show runs
They never set the series in a precise time period in fact they never mentioned it, and they don't have to, why should we limit the fantasy of the writers by forcing them to set the story in a specific time? They made the show with an idea of the period they wanted and that's enough, it doesn't have to be perfect because it's not a damn documentary about the 40s it's a batman show, the period is just the contest where the characters live. Why are there so much minorities in high positions in an era where it would be difficult for them to achieve said positions? Because the show doesn't want to be "batman in the 40s" it's simply not what the writers were aiming for
That's why BatFleck was so good, cuz it was an older Batman working with the Justice League.
Why race-swap the Gordons? Jim and Barbara have always been Caucasian, so going out of their way to brownwash them doesn't seem that great; people get all up-in-arms if characters are whitewashed, but apparently brownwashing them is A-OK. Ugh. Barbara also being much older than normal, and being a DA instead of a librarian, are also very strange decisions.
Additionally, why bring back Harley fucking Quinn YET AGAIN? So sick of this stupid goddamn character; sure, she became popular after Batman: TAS, but does she really need to be in practically EVERYTHING since? Give her a rest, for once, DC!
Oh, and I just realised they gender-swapped the Penguin. WHY. So bizarre and stupid; Penguin's always been a short, fat guy with a monocle, and he should have stayed that way; gender-swapping characters, just like race-swapping, is lazy and nonsensical in my mind. Just NO.
If this show does the same thing as The Batman by making Barbara a Bat before Dick Grayson (who, from what I can tell, is still quite young)...then this show will have no appeal for me. I just can't stand Batgirl (or Batwoman) as a character, as she's completely redundant and extraneous compared to the classic Dynamic Duo pairing of Batman & Robin; when it comes to fighting and crime-busting, that's always been a man's role, what with fit and healthy guys far outstripping girls in physical strength and stamina (due to natural sexual dimorphism). Batgirl's never had a place here, in my book; her best role is as Oracle, supporting the Duo with info, rather than somehow beating up thugs physically stronger than her.
This
Everything WOKE turns to shite
"We keep getting the same story for40 years"
And thats why brave and the bold rocked.
I love it more that The Animated Series.
Yeah...no, thank you. This is Batman DEInimated series.
Excellent title!
Contrary to popular belief it IS ok to have a target audience. Not everything has to be widespread and inclusive
As soon as I heard it was on Amazon Prime, I knew it would be about the message.
It was on Max first.
@redactedandredactedaccesor7290 I stand corrected
I saw gender bent penguin and skipped. So disrespectful to one of the most classic batman rogues
No it isn't it's not that big of a deal
@@animezilla4486 Yes, yes it is a very big deal,just like removing the gingers and adding more lazy fatties in the show for more body positivity.
@@animezilla4486 Then by your logic, DC can make Batman an trans obese woman. By your logic it isn’t a big deal
Nothing can ever change ever everything must stay the same never do anything new
@@Nicejokerightno, that’s not at all the argument nor the point. Pretty hard Strawman there.
Penguin being solely a woman but retaining her crime boss status and personality is not a big deal, and you can add fun bits like her being s dancer and such.
Making Batman a Trans Obese Woman (which is a weird combination to point out and aren’t similar but ok) would subtract so many elements from Batman, such as his fighting skills, inherited wealth, and the Bruce Wayne-Batman dynamic.
In the Penguin’s case, it’s painting slapping on a new coat of paint on a car. In the Batman’s case, it’s just replacing parts of the car til it’s something new.
The argument here is that the gender-swap does not diminish the character of the penguin, which people tend to latch on to what gender swaps “ruin”.
I was planning on giving the show a watch because I loved the original animated series so much, but now I’m hesitant because of the reported woke elements. I don’t like it when they try to impose modern sensibilities on a period piece. It kills the immersion. I’ll probably still check it out, but I’m in no rush.
Spare yourself the agony since our friend here already watched it so you don't have to torture yourself.
I started to watch when it first came out before I saw the reviews. Made it to the end if Penguin's musical number. Nope, nope, nope.
If you check it out make sure it's for "free"
After 3 episodes I said I am done
In my opinion the show is not that bad as people make it out to be of course you're going to have those anti-woke groups complain about every single thing I'm fully aware they made some changes to certain characters by the end of the day who cares it's all about the writing
I tried to watch the first episode of this shyte and only made it through about 10 minutes. Couldn't watch any more of this woke mess.
Same for me
Watch the rest of episodes.
The show is bad this is a fact. But you crying and lacking media literacy and critical thinking brings all of us who have genuine criticism down
@@mayotango1317 Pass.
@@IncognitoActivado Crybaby.
A way Batman Caped Crusader could have worked with a black Jim Gordon and Barbara Gordon is by not making black Jim Gordon police commissioner. Back in the day there was a comic, Batman: Year One. It dealt with Batman in his first year crimefighting and dealing with a corrupt city government and police force who were in on the urban decay with the mob.
A 30s-40s Batman could have run with that and had Batman being effective in cleaning up crime syndicates and mobsters in opposition to the Gotham elite's wishes. Where a black Jim Gordon could have come into this is by maybe having Gordon be a leader of the Gotham dockworkers, or warehouse workers, or general working class group who the Gotham city government dismisses as a nonentity.
That could have been an interesting dichotomy. The elite hate Batman as a vigilante for ruining their corrupt graft while the blue collar working class like Batman for taking out the criminals no matter who they were or who they were connected to Downtown. That could have worked for subtly acknowledging 1940s racism while not making it obvious and having black Jim Gordon be like Batman's pulse to keep track of what was going on in the street.
That could have worked as a good kind of duality to explore. Rich Bruce Wayne is completely out of his element as a vigilante and who he associates with to be effective as Batman, but learns and evolves and takes on the criminal element from the bottom street level up, following the connections to the bosses in their fitted suits and offices and high society parties.
Instead we got this.
Great show to drink too
Other that Fuck that
This is EXACTLY what put me off the Arrowverse's LEGENDS OF TOMORROW -- early-mid 20th century settings with up to the minute, 21st century sensibilities.
Another DEI show I can safely ignore. I save so much money these days being able to skip all the rubbish Hollywood puts out.
That's ridiculous there's no d e i involved
@@animezilla4486 They've literally race and gender swapped characters and added girl bosses. That's what every DEI movie/TV show/video game does.
@@dreamcastfan While it's true there was a lot of gender swap and race there is no girl boss just got done watching the series and there was no trace of girl boss. Female characters were kicking a lot of buty but that doesn't mean the male characters were weaker anything
@@dreamcastfan Are you solely basing your opinion on a piece of media because of its diversity and not it’s writing quality?
....Yes, and that's when the line of "Anti-Woke", and "Bigotry" begins.
From what I've seen, Caped Crusader could've worked well if Bruce Timm and company didn't crank the Wokeness levels to 15 and above.
Though, if you're looking for an entertaining Batman period piece, I'd definitely recommend the book Gotham 1919-1939 by Giant Panda King. It basically reads like what if the world of Batman actually existed, but took place from 1919 to 1939.
saedly it was created a couple of years ago, when wokeness was at its peak
@@R_wir3You think if they go with Season 2, it’ll be less woke?
@@puterboy2I know you didn’t ask me but I think it’s too late. The wokeness is written into the characters themselves
It’s not the woke that bothers me in all honesty you all cry too much. The real failings are the boring characters the flat lifeless animation the lack of any batman characterisation (and at points even assassination) and Ofc the dull forgettable villains I think clay face was there and he got punched, yeah sure why not? Harley Quinn was erm something two face was kind of good but they made him crooked from the start so his whole justice schtick fell completely flat and contradictory they didn’t even use much jekyll and Hyde and Ofc a vampire girl and a ghost if i forget anymore it’s because they were forgettable entirely. Failing batman as a character and the characterisation of his rouges is already telling its failed as a show. But let’s not focus on the woke cry baby shit u all pull this show might be salvageable and I don’t want it cancelled just because people hate the existence of black people. Gordon was black in pattinson batman and penguin was forgettable and boring they could easily recast although him being a white male was integral to the alternative Bruce dynamic again another failing of characterisation
That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard this show has nothing to do about wokeness people are just complaining everything
Just watch the old stuff...they can't touch and destroy the old stuff that you enjoyed...don't bother with anything new these days
Seems like a lame way to live.
@@redactedandredactedaccesor7290it is. This is partially the reason why non-horror franchises in the 80s tend to stay dead.
Why did they turn Alfred into Mr. Belvedere?
Body positivity?
The original Alfred was fat(don't dare you censor me TH-cam)
@@Zetirix lol
Yeah that was comic accurate
Y’all cry bout everything, but not even realize that most of the stuff is from the earlier days lol y’all ain’t fans
"OSWALDA Cobblepot." 🤦♂️
Joker: "I would laugh if it wasn't so pathetic...ah, what the hell, I'll laugh anyway! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!"
I won’t be watching the show because modern identity politics is put in the show. They could still deal with the issues but it should be unwraps as it was during this time period. There was so many social issues that the 1940s had that could be talked about. If they want to talk about modern issues, then they should linked them like the first Quantum Leap did. By showing a distorted view of the 1940s, then you are taking away the social advancements that we made during that decade. Period pieces are supposed to give you a glimpse of the life and limitations that time frame had. The swaps of a character’s identity also diminished who they are because now they have to be a stand in for the show’s forced messaging.
That's 100% ridiculous just because they change some characters that doesn't mean their personalities or the character itself is diminished. And there's definitely is no Force messaging in dare that's total rubbish just because it has some characters change or gay characters that doesn't automatically mean it has anything to do with agenda people can't tell the difference between and what's creative choices
@@animezilla4486 If a character’s identity doesn’t matter, then why change in the first place? The creator of show changed it for a reason which was to show force diversity like a black police commissioner during the height of the Jim Crow era and where being gay was considered a mental illness in the 1940s. I agree that it was a choice to change it because of the modern day idea “that I need to see my identity in a character”. So if there were black characters changed to white characters and gay characters changed to straight characters by your logic “of it doesn’t diminished the character”, so you would be fine with it going in the opposite direction?
I went into it with an open mind. Once I saw a huge hideous female version of the penguin dazzling a room full of rich business tycoons, I had to turn it off. “Just say no” to DEI
Jup, Its like what JJ & Timm were saying is; _These_ (or We) Elites & big buisness tycoons are into slobish really disgusting cross-dressing transformers who perform.
> Massive Hollywood insider projecting or freudian slip-ing.
Garbage, the show is absolute garbage.
You read comic books?
Okay you could come up with like better insults then that
It doesn't forget it's a Batman show, it's just an intentional bait and switch using the Batman IP to bring in the established fan base, and force them to watch a show about ugly female girl bosses
I love Batman, but I won't be checking this out. Too woke for me
Batman Caped Crusader is Garbage it has J.J. Abrams name attached to it so of course it was going to suck. J.J. is destroyer of Star Wars Star Trek and now Batman.
Using 'Batman: Caped Crusader' as a bait-and-switch for a show starring "queer women of color" the exact same way 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' was. Why am I not surprised.
Harley Quinn has been canonically Bi-sexual for a while now. Just say you don’t know what you’re talking about
@@will441 That would be fine if the show was titled 'Harley Quinn', but she's NOT THE TITLE CHARACTER. You're the one speaking from ignorance.
@@longtsun8286 Ignorance? What are you talking about? You’d rather have BLAND, stereotypical and BORING side-characters and only focus on one main character? You must like watching paint dry.
@@longtsun8286 Ignorance? How is this ignorance when you’re just choosing to ignore a pretty important fact about Harley Quinn?
@@will441 The fact 'Batman' is NOT a romance or a porn series, where Harley Quinn's sexuality would actually MATTER- it's an action-adventure, detective mystery and crimefighting series where her sexuality is UTTERLY IRRELEVANT.
Sadly, Batman The Caped Crusader, might be the future in the DCU.
More DEI, woke garbage.
I could like a Black Batgirl. Would have been awesome and refreshing. But she doesn't act like Barbara Gordon. Girl Bossing Harvey and Penguin and whatever is one thing, but she even Girl Bosses her own father. And that, is not, Barbara Gordon.
There was no girl boss in the show
What's refreshing about race swapping a white red head to black? They've been doing it since 2015. Also, the black bat girl film was meant to be so bad that they cancelled it and made it a tax write-off.
@@animezilla4486
Yes there was
I'm really into history so I hate it when the past gets "reinterpretted for a modern audience". A culture that doesnt understand its past has a very dark future ahead. Id rather not be reminded of how far we have fallen so quickly.
It's very rare that I agree with half the stuff you rant about. But with this topic, I 100% total agree with! I don't care if they screw up Star Wars and Marvel. But DO NOT mess with the The Dark Knight and his Rogues Gallery of villans!
If the gender swaps and diverse identities were less focused on I would not care, but the worst part about Harley Quinn is that they expose her as a villain in the same episode where she enters a relationship with Renee.
I was staring at the scenes between them confused because on one hand, the show clearly treats the relationship as something to root for. But then the show turns around and shows Quinn relentlessly torturing people.
one good thing about it.
it makes Beware the Batman more watchable.
I tried. I really tried to like this show. It isn't cool, it isn't edgy, it's stupid and really WOKE
They turned Batman into Betaman. Unacceptable and Unforgivable.
Liked the show, knew the internet would get pissy as soon as i saw female penguin. 😂
People are way too brainrotted by culture war shit.
Yeah no a male Poison Ivy and a female Bane would be dumb. A female Bane would be really disgusting lol
Being a Southie in Boston as a kid, Batman was my first "hero". Getting tired of shitty slash fan fic self insert dribblers passing themselves off as creatives. After trailers full of race and gender swaps, interjected sexual identity unrelated to story telling, very little Batman in a Batman series and wtf did they do the Penguin? I'll pass. And yeah, Batman's ears are odd. Just another indicator that there is no creative oversight.
you way too generous with this disaster of a cartoon.
All we've ever been asking for is a BATMAN BEYOND! movie franchise like the Spider-verse franchise, but NOOOO, we get a f*cking Kite-Man series.
I find it funny how people who maje these changes put so much emphasis on their identity and create a victimhood based on the struggles not they themselves but rather their demographic faced i the past, yet instead of showing this steuggle they are only too keen to erase that in historic settings.
Montoya would face criticism enough as an ethnic woman in a male dominated job (especially inthe fourties) but since her relationships usually are a big part of her comic appearances it'd be interesting to see her struggle hiding her sexuality or face the homophobic that would be "normal" at the time.
Similar with The Gordon instead of having Jim simply be painted black without issues. Make him a struggling detective working with Montoya both struggling to fit in at the NYPD (arent those types of writers usually only to happy to paint every cop a racist? Go back to the fourties and most people would be). Then Bullock could serve as their only friend at thw police.
And if it's about a black person in a position of power take Lucius Fox and have Bruce keeping to defend his choice of making him CEO or CTO against his snobby board of directors.
gender swap the penguin? really? why? SKIP!
If that’s your reason for not watching lmao they did her fine yes I would of loved it to be the og but that don’t mean that the replacement was bad
@@ashhhhhhhhhhhhhhh she was not bland she was mad, charismatic by dancing, and doing all the other shit, and she was ruthless she was literally penguin but a girl version lol ik it sucks they ain’t use the real one but still tht don’t make her bad
when gender and race swap beloved characters you lose
Im not a fan of it usually but it doesn't immediately make it bad. Jim Gordon has been black multiple times it's pretty well established. We haven't really had black Barbara before but those stories just didn't include her by circumstances. Penguin being a woman is a bit jarring and probably unnecessary but comics do shit like that all the time and doesn't mean it's woke. Harley being Asian it's really minor too imo it's just kinda her eyes that look different they didn't change her last name or something like that. I think out of all race/gender swapping this show and the Superman anime do it the best. They're still just good characters.
@@michealarwood7488 Tell me where exactly expect the new Batman movie has the Jim Gordon been black for years ?
@@albertosgr9 I'm not your personal Google look it up 💀
@@michealarwood7488
It's not, Gordon is white NOT black period. Stop this trash.
@@albertosgr9
He can't because he is lying.
My guess is there was an old script/treatment for a Detective Comics style Batman show floating around for YEARS, it just never got made
Then lazy wokesters found it, "tweaked" it up (add a gay here, a fat person there), and BAM! A 'new' show was created. There is nobody lazier than an SJW, and that's why this show is so disjointed.
It was a half-ass corruption of a half-finished product, and it shows. The animation is nice, but it's really just all wasted.
Blatantly, maliciously going after the fans. People will inevitably defend this, but it's so obvious what they're doing. "Different" for the sake of different isn't helping anyone. It's under the cloud of "representation", but it's obviously done to make decades long fans furious. There's no attempt to add anything, or to pop fans of the comics, the old tv show, the movies, or anything. It's strictly to anger your loyal fans. And that rather stupid business model never, ever works. How can anyone seriously defend this?
Appealing to this incredibly small audience has killed networks, lost jobs, ended franchises. Remember The CW? Dead, because they went all in, on DEI, and sidelined the main heroes.
i will go back to the 90's animated series
I stick to the original thank you not woke trash.
For a show about Batman, he bearly show up for most of the runtime. This show should've been called GCPD and air on CW with Batman as cameo
Just started watching this show and as soon as i seen The Penguin turned into Rosie O'Donnell i turned it off
Batman without Batman huh? Yup! Like Selling hamburgers in a hotdog stand!
The only 2 things I liked about this series was Clayface 1, Boris Karlow, which was cool to see an old Rogue Gallery character. And 2 was the O.G. Catwoman outifit. I stopped after the Harley episode so I don't know what happens after that. The first thing I thought of when Alfred appeared was "Hey, Hey, Hey, It's Fatttt Alfred".
Comic accurate early Alfred *
The dyslexia has stolen yet another ginger from us. Rip my baddie Batgirl.
She still exists.
I got " The Batman" vibes from what little bit I saw. "The Batman" with TAS/ retro paint and DEI quotas. I hated 'The Batman ' and I hate DEI . The voice acting and the cowl design don't help either. Guess this show won't be worth my time. Shame.
Imma stick to BTAS and The Batman (2004). Way better cartoons, with better versions or Batman.
The "woke' stuff was bad but I tried to enjoy it anyway. Seeing Bruce be a dick to Alfred just lost me though.
Btw Batman's and some of other villains designs are actually based off golden age batman comics
Honestly, my biggest compliment about this Batman show is how little they actually use Batman. Seriously, it's ridiculous how little Batman is on screen.
"i almost skipped this show because i didn't like the shape of batman's mask" so real man
The social issues. Another Batman project I’ll be skipping on. Don’t need bizarre propaganda in my Batman show..
my 13 yr old boy covered his eyes when the two main characters started making out. "Eeeeew"
Why is your "13 year old" watching A TV 14 show? The show isn't even for 14 year Olds it's for 16 and up.
@@Mr.Panther2320I'm sure you've never watched anything not meant for you at that age
@@KingShibe yeah your right I never did. I didn't have a phone till my 16 birthday🤦🏾♂️😂, I could barely even play T games at 13. My point is, is that you are expecting it to be non inappropriate for a 13 year old WHEN ITS TV 14! 😭😂
@@Mr.Panther2320Yesterday I was at cinema on Deadpool and Wolverine and there were 12 year olds on R-movie
Also Iam 20 years old and yet doing "EEEEW" when characters kiss in animated kids series
@@Mr.Panther2320 cope
I have enjoyed the show so far. Don't get me wrong, the same things you mentioned stick out for me to, but you just have to try and overlook those things when you watch it. I do like how they've added extra layers to some of the villains, so they aren't just 'bad' people out to do 'bad' things for the sake of it, they have legitimate reasons for doing what they do. Overall, it's not going to replace BTAS but there is still enjoyment to be taken from the show.
There is a reason MAX cancelled this and passed it to Amazon!
Montoya being gay is fine but Harley? Unless her girlfriend is Ivy that is shit
Harley is a trash character and the worst sacrilege that Paul Dini could've come up with, and the writers dragged Poison Ivy with her right into the pit.
I miss those days when femme fatales like Poison Ivy were not lesbians or bi by default.
@@TheBatman39 I really don’t care. Harley was in crazy love with Joker. The Ivy thing was just a strong bond not actual love. I was kind of unserious about it. Plus I do think Harley only works in small doses. Too much of her and it does become overkill
I watched 10 minutes and called it quits
a balanced critique. i hate the show btw.
I can't believe how many youtubers are downing the show. The show is awesome, with great writing. And it made at least me feel like the OG show.
Do you really think the show runners care about the fans? I’ll tell you the truth. They’re doing this deliberately to destroy the franchise like they’ve done everything else. You really need to be realistic about that cause they really don’t care about the franchises they don’t care about good storytelling they just want to destroy the franchise, why because Batman is a man and they don’t care about men they hate men. They’re doing all the work nonsense that they can to destroy this franchise. I love Batman. I grew up with Batman and this makes me angry. No way with what they’re doing with exist in 1940s and they know that, but they don’t care about the fans they don’t care about the franchise they want to give you the finger.
You think Bruce Timm hates Batman? 🤣
I could not get pass 3rd episode due to how sloppy the art was. Whoever did the art did not understand perspective and scale. Characters looked bigger in 1 scene then smaller in the next. I could not tell if Montoya was supposed to be on the thicker or thinner side. Batman looked weird when he was doing any action except for standing or sitting straight. I could go on and on.
I was even prepared to overlook the obvious DEI tone, but the art (style) just broke the immersion for me.
You are SPOT ON!
"Put a chick in it and make it lame and gay": well done JJ, you've followed 'THE MESSAGE' once again...