That’s because blizzard intentionally printed those cards because they were bringing villains back from old sets. Priest gets a forbidden card, rogue and unidentified card, warrior omega and shaman echo (but not the keyword)
To me, it reads like it always attacks the _right_ minion. As in, the _rightmost minion on your opponent's board._ Which would actually be pretty fitting for an ogre card while still being a twist on the standard ogre effect.
@Trump - 7:13 The problem is that you keep arguing _whether_ Adapt will come back or not, when nobody else actually cares if it does or doesn't. It's a *Custom* card. The only things that should matter are the design and the balance, not Blizzard's release chronology and business decisions. People in CustomHearthstone rarely care about which expansions their cards could theoretically belong in, because they're not designing cards just so they could be put in the game - seeing as they don't work at Blizzard. It's just an unnecessary limitation you put on yourself and enforce on others. If a mechanic exists, and Blizzard didn't fully explore it in just 135 cards (hint: they never do), let people theorize for it without saying the opportunity is gone!
He is rating if the card will ever see play/print, explained within the next 40 seconds. The main issue with it was that it had the boomsday logo on the card, meaning it was meant to be "printed" in that set.
+oflords gamez I'm aware of his reasoning, but if he's going to keep mentioning it he should know why many people find it so irritating / silly. P.S: As far as I've seen, most people don't pay much attention to the expansion logo on their cards, it's just as likely they used that logo because it's the latest set, or because it involves a mechanic from that set. The set is released. The card will never be printed in that set. Arguing over that feels moot, but Trump often argues over it. - and, again, most people would rather find interesting combinations and synergies for game mechanics (like Omega + Adapt) without being bound by Blizzard's self-imposed set limitations. When it comes to theory-crafting, it's best to accept that some 'rules' are redundant and stifle creativity.
+Domas Smaliukas - He's free to do what he wants, but some people will continue to complain or laugh about it as long as he does. I'm only trying to raise the other perspective on this matter, as someone who made cards on the subreddit before and knows why his system might frustrate people. If he chooses to keep arguing that 'dead' mechanics should be rated lower then it's up to him, but he's going to keep seeing them at the top frequently.
He is free to do as he pleases, his rating system is his. But if he’s gonna rate the past keyword cards 1 star anyway because don’t get printed anymore, why don’t just skip them and show another card?
Trump, you're lowkey encouraging creators to be less innovative and explore less ideas by condemning old mechanics. There is a beauty in the liberty of design when creating a custom HS card, and it's from that freedom which intrigue manifests and pulls at the audience and creators alike into the exploration of new ideas (and new ways to approach old ideas). So creators will most likely draw on the whole toolkit of HS, not just one aspect of it. A change in perspective from "would Blizzard print this in the method we are used to," to "would Blizzard print this in a sorta Best-of-Hearthstone expansion that would go straight into Wild," would benefit your design rating ideology.
Yeah, I feel like "what mechanic to be printed on a card" should be the flavor that mattered rather than just limited to which expansion the mechanic came from. Omega being, for example, it probably survived for so long, it adapted multiple times.
Nah, he's lowkey enforcing better card design for the future. If customhearthtroggs were in charge of future expansions it would be a shitshow. It's not innovative or a """""""beauty"""""""" to add yet another broken ass legendary or shit OP card to the game because it has a zany and oh so creative effect. _B-But it's just for f-fun_ Then don't take it so seriously.
I dont think "hey let's reuse an old mechanic" is innovative. Since, you know, you're just reusing something blizzard has already done. Innovative would be making new mechanics or-better yet-making new designs without needing to add more keywords
Omega cards are meant to be a project assigned from the labs. Each class has its own theme. Druids have botany, though. Because botany isn't a creature which adapts, it loses flavor. Poor design. (Don't say it's a future expansion, the logo for boomsday is on the card.)
@@jomsies true, it still could be a hoke as well, or I've seen people in this comment section that say it counters things like misdirection which is valid as well for a flavor in my opinion
It's really stupid to give cards a low design just because it's an old mechanic. This is theorycrafting, Trump! Are we supposed to limit our imaginations to just whatever Blizzard is doing right now? It makes no sense. BTW, maybe Omega Being should have said "If you have 10 mana crystals, gain ALL Adaptations"
It's really stupid to shit on someone else's rating system just because it doesn't meet your standard. This is his system, imaloony8! Is Trump supposed to limit his imaginations to just whatever you prefer right now? It makes no sense.
you people keep being extremely hypocritical, you imply that he is imposing his wrong rating on the cards thereby not giving them justice but it is actually you imposing your own card rating criteria on a man who is giving FUCKING OPINIONS, not giving him justice to his creative liberties.
Gaining all adaptations would be ridiculously overpowered! 5 mana 8/8 stealth windfury taunt which cant be targeted by spells... next turn you deal 16 damage to your opponent and he cant even answer with a spell, this is not even close to be ok man.
I dont really like how trump talks about the lasting effects... like dr boom mad genius can be replaced as a hero and then there is no display to remind you that your mechs have rush also there is soo much dead space on the hearthstone field that adding some prompt or visual in one of the corners of the board wouldnt be to difficult imo Edit: i know your hero changes but you can replace doctor boom with another hero and the effect is still in effect without any indication other than “remember the card was played”
Fanofstuff don’t forget rogue quest and I think jaina giving lifesteal to elementals! Or yogg and shudder casting a random number of effects based on what was done earlier, this mechanic already exists I’m not sure why he acts like it doesn’t.
@@ishga1407 Yeah but it's not like you can read the hero card mid-game if you forget everything the enemy hero card does. After the hero is placed, you lose access to the card (not considering the action bar, since it will eventually go away). It's not a huge deal.
chocomonkey you can change your hero and the effect is still there... the point is that there exists lingering effects that dont necessarily have a visual all the time
11:44 I think a vaguely interesting thing that you might be able to do with the Hidden Knife, is to equip it and then equip another weapon. As it says "gain +2 attack this turn", it presumably applies it to the hero and not the weapon. I did say it was "vaguely" interesting.
He's mistaken on the interaction in the video; if the cards are played back to back it might not work at all, the damage absorbed by armor isn't counted as damage _always._
I love the idea of Studious Ogre -a bland card that does something amazing, albeit highly situational. Get around secrets, get around Mogor/ Noggenfogger effects, cool idea.
Regarding the discharge suit, wouldn't it just be like the Cavern's Below? Like one is immediately present while the other isn't but they really are just the same thing with different effects.
The armor is off flavor, maybe if it had a mini healing rain effect or froze a random enemy. I personally love the idea of small ongoing effects that make following plays slightly better.
Yes, I think he was being unreasonable with the card. 1 star design because the legendary spells released so far have high mana cost and that doesn't, what the fuck? Are Jaraxxus and Dr. Boom also 1 star because they gives you zero and seven armor when the other hero cards give you 5? Nonsense. Maybe armor isn't a Shaman mechanic (although there are neutral cards that give armor) but that could be changed to healing without hurting the card too much. All in all a needlessly harsh rating with very poor reasoning
The other legendary spells are high cost for a very good reason, which he talked about in the video. It's not arbitrary. It's a game design choice. What these custom hearthstone designers fail to understand very often is the general game design rules that Blizzard abides by.
Trump if you play Magic the gathering you know they have printed sets like time spiral that brought back older mechanics and cards to the standard game ! Nothing prevents Blizzard from designing such a set one day :D
Thugzor3000 did you know that if you go onto Blizzard’s website you can buy old packs? They purposely don’t put that in the game because they want to keep the menu clean and organized. Because that’s what players want. Players want clean and organized. They don’t want dead mechanics and rehashing.
Time spiral is probably one of the worst examples you could have made. It is the prime example of why a cluster of keywords, with lots of old references, in the same set is a absolutely horrible idea, having had the worst new player experience of any set. That being said blizzard definitely can (and should) reuse old keywords if it's fitting for the theme of the expansion. I would also love for them to come out with their own storm-scale to tell us how likely they are to reprint certain mechanics in the future.
@@adammat13 Time spiral was amazing and innovative for old players but very lackluster for new players. The flavor and uniqueness of the set was amazing. Its fine for a set to be this way as long as the majority of sets are good for new players. TS block happens to be one of my favorite blocks as it gave a LOT to the game and had loads of flavor.
@0IIIIII Hum a time spiral like set in standard would be part of the standard sets so it wouldn't affect the menu in any way ? Also "players want clean and organized" is your personal standpoint. What people seem to enjoy overall regardless of what standard looks like in terms of mechanics is variety in the decks they can field. I just think that sprinkling old mechanics in a set would be fun and help do just that.
Shadowverse already sloved the problem with on going effects for your hero (it has quite a few of those). You can just hover of the hero and it will show you all the effects. It's not like effects like this are new to HS anyway, so I don't get what the big deal is.
That's like not remembering that your elementals have lifesteal until you play them because you've since then transformed into shadow reaper anduin somehow, but at least in these cases you can see what's different about your minions once in play. Better than overloading, gaining armor, and still not knowing why it happened because your pet parrot just ate your burger so you're a little distracted, right?
@Firelord300156 Of course they don't. That's why they created a lot of new and complete different keywords and game modes since beta, which by the way outclasses Shadowverse by far.
So for the Suit: Make it a quest! But it would be like this: 4 Mana Quest --------- Play a card with Overload. Reward: 3 Armor and cast this again. --------- *Edit:* could also be something like: 1 Mana Quest --------- Overload a total of 10(15?) Mana Crystals. Reward: Discharge --------- Discharge: 5 Mana Gain 20 Armor
Your continuing insistence that use of an old mechanic makes a card unprintable shows you don’t understand the point of custom card creation. It’s a *custom* card. It’s imaginative. You can do what you like, including reworking old mechanics into fresh ideas, taking advantage of new mechanics and themes. Omega Being, for instance, is a really neat fusion of the Omega and Adapt mechanics. You don’t know that Adapt will never be resurrected or reworked for a future set. Joust was, in Raven Familiar. Even if it never is, *you shouldn’t penalise good ideas just because they use old mechanics.*
Rick Felt Trump can do what he wants. The card creators can also do what they want. When the card creators create stupid ass shit, let trump call them out for it. When trump calls a reasonable card stupid ass shit, we should call him out on it too.
It's easy to be imaginative. But much better design to imagine a card that also works with the game at its current state. That's what the ratings are for. You dislike that Trump "doesn't understand card creation" but clearly you don't understand the game. Creators can make whatever kind of cards they want with their """"" _imagination_ """", why can't Trump rate them however his format wants?
I think that one visual effect on a hero is already in the game and that is Priest's Shadowform. I know that also changes your hero power, but visual effect stays around even if you play hero card with new hero power. So i think that effects like that are memorable, even if you can't hover over them or see them
The Warlock Quest would be fine as long as it only counted damage to Health, not damage to Armor. You’d have to destroy your own Armor or get your opponent to destroy the Armor before using another Crystaliser.
Also your wrong, it doesn't counter any of those cards or any other card among that sort. Why is that the text on this card would overwrite theirs instead of vice versa?
Michael Kelly welp, it’s his system, on his video, on his channel. He likes this way and others (like me) like it too. It is different from other people’s design rating on CHS cards.
The Achiever I don’t mind his ratings in general. I just hate when there is an interesting card and then he says “this won’t be printed because it is an omega card”. No one cares if the card is printed or not, we’re here to see his opinion about the cards.
a cards power level depends on the other card of the set. it means, you can have a very op card by itself, what doesnt fit in any deck, cause the combo.
5:24 Finally! I'm so happy Trump is spreading the word that minions enter play before their battlecry effect occurs. This has got to be the number one misconception about hearthstone interactions. Even other hearthstone professionals on youtube get it wrong, and I've been correcting people for years about it. I've seen people defend it by saying "well of course everyone knows how it works, we all just say that battlecry happens first because it's easier than describing all the phases." But no. People get this wrong all the time for all situations. I don't know why it frustrates me so much, but I'm glad Trump mentioned it.
Food for thought about Overeager Corgi. Technically you can draw cards on your opponent turn (naturalize, coldlight, enemy trading into your loot hoarder etc.). Having loot hoarder topdecking that and putting it right onto the battlefield would make it pretty good card combo - especially that if your opponent would trade in the early game into loot hoarder and couldn't trade with card put on the battlefield you could instantly attack using it.
Discharge Suit is off flavor, but the concept is perfectly fine. Caverns Below does the same thing(a hidden, ongoing effect), and if it is really too difficult to track, have the hero portrait have a glowing aura around it and when you hover your mouse over it, you see a card with the ongoing effect pop up so you can read it, similar to how you can see what a hero power does when you hover it. I also love the idea of having a legendary cycle of ongoing effects that make your plays or other state based effects slightly(but not drastically) better. I decided to take a crack at such a cycle: Primal Rage(8 mana Druid card): "For the rest of the game, your choose one cards instead have both effects." Making it 8 mana avoids Nourish abuse and still allows for cheeky 10 mana plays with Wrath or Power of the Wild, and it specifying cards keeps the Death Knight hero power from being too strong. Hunting Trails(5 mana Hunter card): "For the rest of the game, your traps cost (1) and any minions summoned from your traps gain +1 attack." Not really breakable, and requires being built around to work. Spell Overflow(3 mana Mage card): "For the rest of the game, when you cast a spell, deal 1 damage to a random enemy." Mini Flamewaker effect that can't be removed, but 1 damage shouldn't be too problematic, objectively weaker than +1 spell damage. Blessing of Vengeance(4 mana Paladin card): "For the rest of the game, when a friendly minion dies, restore 1 health to all other friendly characters." Pushes a tempo Paladin, gives some additional value to the hero power when you hit late game, and doesn't make aggro too strong I think. Loving Piety(6 mana Priest card): "For the rest of the game, if an effect would restore health to a friendly character, double that effect instead." 6 mana feels like the right cost for this, but there just might not be a version of Priest that cares about this kind of effect. Spiteful Welcome(5 mana Rogue card): "For the rest of the game, after your opponent summons a minion, deal one damage to it." Tax effect that feels like something that would be on flavor for a control rogue card, 5 mana may be too low for this however and it may prove problematic since it directly counters Divine Shield. Exert the Elements(4 mana Shaman card): "For the rest of the game, whenever you Overload, restore 3 health randomly split among all friendly characters." Requires being built around and gives 1/4 of a Healing Rain effect on Overload, so it is an additional .75 mana value on Overload card. Looks strong at first, but I feel it might actually be too weak. A more on flavor version of the Shaman card in this video. Dark Scrying(3 mana Warlock card): "For the rest of the game, whenever you discard a card, draw a card." Permanent Malchezzar's Imp effect. Makes Doomguard and Soulfire very strong, but requires a 3 mana investment(which I think would kill it being useful in aggro), needs to be built around and most discard cards are not good enough to play to begin with. Zealous Frontline(7 mana Warrior card): "For the rest of the game, your Taunt minions gain Rush." I originally wanted this to also give your Rush minions Taunt, but that felt way too powerful since Dr. Boom exists.
Wording of 'Discover a card from your deck and discard it' would need to change to something like 'Reveal 3 cards from your deck and discard 1', as discover adds a card to your deck so the current wording would discard a card that was just added, (i.e. do nothing apart from adding to the discard count for other cards abilities), rather than actually discard a card from your original deck.
Actually chaining crystallizers would not activate that warlock quest more than once. Because the subsequent damage would not actually hurt the hero, it would just remove the armor. And that doesn’t count. We’ve found this with later cards like from Scholomance where losing armor as priest or warlock doesn’t count as your health changing. And I’m almost certain something like this would count the same (even though the wording is technically different for “deal 30 damage to your hero” versus “your health total changed”.) I’m pretty sure there are older effects that would support this same interaction explanation.
Trump I have to disagree with your rating on Fel Imp I think it is fair because you only really run those cards on quest warlock and quest warlock sucks and needs a card like this to help bump it up. I cant be used for other decks but they have to give up better cards to even put in other discard cards. Thinning your deck isnt actually a great thing because fatigue is a thing but where i do agree that this card isnt too great to print is that if the cards you have to choose are all cards you want (which would be good cards like Lich King and etc.) then you basically have an automatic disadvantage and are automatically behind on a good card. Discard is just a bad mechanic in my opinion.
_Improvements_ [imo] *• Fel Corruption* Deal 30 damage to your hero _(armor loss doesn't count.)_ *• Ner'zhul | Battlecry:* At the start of your next turn, destroy the enemy hero. *• Grab-o-tron* -Warrior weapon- _Rogue weapon_ [stats unchanged due to weapon removal and face-tanking priority targets] *• Hellfire Spitter | Battlecry:* Deal 3 damage. _If target is your hero, deal 3 damage to all characters instead._ *• Vayne the Glorious* _Whenever an enemy attacks this minion, put a paladin secret from your deck into the battlefield._ *• Omega Being* [stats unchanged - there are some strong tri-adaptations] *• Omega Being v2* 5-mana 4/4 *Choose Twice: Rush; Lifesteal; Adapt* If you have 10 mana crystals, combine all 3 effects. *• Fel Imp | Battlecry:* Discard a random card from your deck. [stats unchanged due to random discard] *• Studious Orge* _50% chance to attack the enemy hero._ *• Overeager Corgi* _2-mana 2/1_ [text unchanged due to single health point] *• Electra's Discharge Suit* 3-mana *_Overload: (3)_*_ Summon a permanent suit that deals 3 damage randomly._ *• Electra's Discharge Suit* (minion) At the end of your turn, deal 3 damage randomly split among all enemies.
Why does it matter if a mechanic is "dead" or not? Who is to say someone isn't theory crafting a card retroactively. With more of a mindset of "Wouldnt it have been cool had this card been printed in that previous set". Trumps reasoning in my eyes is just very pedantic and pointless, yes we *know* the mechanic is from an older set, no need to keep pointing it out, just review the card as if it had been part of that set
IMO using "dead" mechanics is fine if you're making a custom card for the set those mechanics appeared in. But mixing and matching different mechanics (as almost all of these cards do) is sloppy design, so I'm ok with giving them low scores for that.
NoeLPZC Well then you're frankly kind of a fucking idiot. Custom cards don't have to be for _any_ set. They're hypothetical. And sloppy design is sloppy design, completely independant from whatever design space you decide to explore.
Dexxus More like you are the hypocritical idiot. Claims the cards are totally hypothetical so they shouldn't even be taken seriously, but can't stop being constantly butthurt over seeing some virtual stars taken out of them lol. Also, it's his opinion. He should be free to review whatever he wants the way he wants and he already made the point he will not change his ways, so why are you even watching his reviews? Do us all a favor (including yourself) and fuck off.
I think tracking effects is important, but let's not forget that we do actually already have an effect in the game that doesn't get tracked. dr boom mad genius' battlecry persists if the hero is overwritten.
9:55 That's... Actually not an awful mechanic. It means that any card such as misdirection gets countered, plays through something like Mayor Noggenfogger, etc.
Grab-o-tron may not be expensive but it means you take a shit ton of face damage to get a good minion. Like take 10 damage is 1/3 of your health and all you gain is 1 more draw and a expensive minion.
Problem with Meerkat is that if they even have a single taunt you can't attack, due to the deathrattle effect of all meerkats being shuffled back into your deck, even on your turn. So your opponent doesn't have to kill off your minion. Would be better statted at 2/3.
I just want to say that Studious Ogre counters other ogres and therefore serves a purpose, if rather niche. I can see it being in a control deck to stop counters.
7:33 *Omega Devastator* Battlecry: If you have 10 Mana Crystals, deal 10 damage to a minion. Released in Rise of the Shadows, literally the next set after Boomsday. I wonder if the second you saw that card revealed you realized how foolish you were going to look retro actively? Though since the community is obviously being influenced by you, perhaps you should probably stop putting arbitrary limitations on them for things you clearly can't predict.
They wanted to bring villains back so it was a special case. And now 3 years later, we still don't see omega anymore, so uhhhh... guess he was not the foolish one here.
I wonder how many people also think Inspire and Adapt where good mechanics? Inspire was a very nice mechanic that basically said, tempo me with your hero power for maximum benefit. Not to mention they had their own giant. Adapt was a nice way to get bonuses that where flexible. While I will see most adapt minions where meh, and the good ones where a tad ridiculous, yes, looking at you flappy aggro. It still was a good mechanic, and I would love to see blizzard use older mechanics again.
Betrayal is usually worse than supercollider because it is more situational as the targeted minion is not damaged, which is why supercollider is so strong. Against aggro decks a 7 mana entomb machine is a dead card because it only deals with one minion a turn, and against control decks it isn't even better than the rogue quest, shudderwock, frost lich jaina, etc. All of which generally cost less than 10 and are uninteractive. When every control deck runs weapon removal these days, a 7 mana entomb that damages you isn't actually that crazy. Entomb wouldn't even be that good in the current meta in my opinion.
Hey Trump, just a thought, instead of stars for the balance rating you could try a system of -2,-1,0,+1,+2, with 0 being balanced, 1 being needs a little tweaking, and 2 being *ridiculously overpowered* along with the ½'s in between for good measure. It could be like a meter with red on the sides fading through yellow into green in the middle. ...although at this point the current rating system has been there for quite some time, so it may just be more confusing to change it, but hey.
Persistent effects like Electra should be appended as a buff to the hero power. Make hero power icon glow instead of hero portrait to indicate there's a persistent buff.
for the suit an easy way to show it when played would be to use the mechanics like the one used for the demo quest portal and the cavern rogue quest : just use a creature spot for it ^^
MrKrasnox Yes, because Design is based on possibility of being added to the game, so all cards that are in the game have a probability of getting in the game at 1/1
Rick Felt Would warsong commander *really* be printed if it came to the chopping block? Also, what about cards that were hall of fame’d? That’s basically blizzard saying they printed a 1 star design card, since by your own words “1 star design means it couldn’t be balanced to be printed”
@@rickhaavisto9023 yeh i know, that was a rhetorical question XD there a definitively cards in the game with bad design, so trumps definiton of design doesn't really fit the word "design" in my opinion...
MrKrasnox Why ? Because Blizzard cant make mistakes and everything is perfect ? If Trump would rate official Hearthstone cards, they probably wouldnt all get 5 stars
@@pitmaster226 It's almost like no one is perfect and they can make mistakes aswell, but still, they are far beyond custom hs's design choices as many are just silly or would just HS level to Yugi-oh many years ago.
For those who shit on why Trump is giving low design just because people are using old keywords -- PAY ATTENTION TO THE VIDEO! He already explained he judges the design based on the possibility of the cards being actually printed in the future. And MOST old keywords (Adapt for Un'goro, Inspire for TGT, Omega for Boomsday like he mentioned) are fitted in their own theme. You are most likely not going to see them anymore in the future expansions when they are rotated out.
I feel like hearthstone needs to introduce what elder scrolls legends uses and MTG uses - support cards. These are either ongoing or active effects. Then there are cards printed in class and neutral that destroy said support cards. A lot of the recent designs you’ve showcased all are those kinds of players’ inspirations
The notion that Blizzard will never revisit old mechanics and themes bothers me. One of the most common complaints when MTG shifted from a 3 set per block structure to a 2 block per set paradigm was that there wasn't enough time or cards to enjoy the setting and mechanics and I feel that is true for Hearthstone especially with regard to the new "solo adventure content" What if there was a sequel to the Boomsday where all manner of irradiated or mutated creature and fel magic imbued mechs would be the theme expanding upon mechanics introduced in the set. The sparse few neutral and class mechs makes it difficult to adopt tribal strategies or any strategy really. If given more time and desig space Blizzard could improve the balance of certain mechanics and push new strategies instead of having to start over with something new every 4 months. The meta I feel has, for all of its diversity, stagnated over the past few expansions. After initial experimentation with new decks the decks proven successful from previous metas maintain their dominance into the new expansion and the former get scrapped. Narratively it would give them time to expand content as well. The puzzle labs could have been smaller and more succinct in design and the sequel set could have you achieving something with the knowledge accrued from experimentation in the boom lab. I like playing this game but I feel the story telling and design philosophy could be tempered and refined and as players experimenting with card design should he encouraged to refine it.
Also no, doesn't counter that minion or any minion with similar text. There is no reason as to why this cards text would overwrite their text just because this says 100% and theirs is 50%. The 50% attack card could just as easily change the 100% to 50%.
If the Design rating reflects whether a card could ever be printed, wouldn't a Yes, No, Maybe rating be better and have another star rating category called something like Concept so if a card is a cool idea but would not see print (maybe because it includes a mechanic from an old set 😀) it could get acknowledgement that it's an interesting idea but not feasible?
On Choose One: It is a pretty dumb choice by blizz to limit choose one to druid. Choose One is not a "special" mechanic - it is a very, VERY useful balance lever. On Discharge Suit: Creating new UI isnt the biggest thing, really. So many options. If Blizz introduces many (semi)permanent effects, they would just create a UI element that would behave similary to the "Triggered Effect" UI on minions and hovering over that element shows which effects are currently active. It could be kind of a dropdown menu, allowing you hover over the effect names for details even. So this is pretty easy to implement, all things considered. So yeah, design on this card is 4-5 stars: It introduces an interesting new effect. The effect is possible to implement, fits the gameplay of HS very well and would elevate its depth and creativity to a new level.
Trump, the first card each week is the subreddit's weekly desigm competition winner. Maybe you could like mention that in the video and say what the design prompt was? Would just give more context.
Fel corruption is definetly more balanced and more interesting of a design than just 1 star, also trump, did it ever cross your mind that when you use crystalliser 4 times, you dont get 20armor, you only gain five because the damage is dealt to the armor that crystalliser gives you. It also wouldnt proc fel corruption, because it damages the armor, not your hero
I think that the over eager corgi could be : "If you draw this card with 5 or less cards in hand put it onto the battlefield" So its powerful card but not overtuned.
The only thing I come here for is to watch Trump give some ridiculous and insane commentary on custom cards. Literally everytime there's some mind-boggling reason to give super low rating to any card that's not a vanilla 2/3. If it is a River Crocolisk, then it's 5/5 for design, balance and excellence in card design.
the spell is a leate game spell. its cheap, cause it has to be. it could be 5 mana, but then you could only gain 2 + mana from it w a full board. it horrible. so think about it first, then speak.
5:33 What about tweaking the description to 'At the start of your turn play Noble Sacrifice.' ? That way it's only got one Defender per turn and the opponent has a chance to deal with it when first played.
"Omega is a mechanic that is never coming back"
May 2019- When a warrior reaches 10 mana crystals: "Save the best for laaaast!"
The man who always disagrees Exactly what I thought when I heard him say that lol
Omegalul
That’s because blizzard intentionally printed those cards because they were bringing villains back from old sets. Priest gets a forbidden card, rogue and unidentified card, warrior omega and shaman echo (but not the keyword)
@@DeEwouterKabouter wow you're right I haven't realized it, it's smart
I was going to coment that
Studious ogre is actually kind of interesting if it counters Misdirection, Mayor Noggenfogger, Noble Sacrifice, etc.
To me, it reads like it always attacks the _right_ minion. As in, the _rightmost minion on your opponent's board._ Which would actually be pretty fitting for an ogre card while still being a twist on the standard ogre effect.
I want to know what happens when you silence it ;)
@@BradGreer Then it becomes a normal non-texted minion
It might even counter Taunt and Stealth, depending on interpretation.
Doesn't it just always hit face? Kappa
Warlock Quest was ahead of its time lmao
@Trump - 7:13 The problem is that you keep arguing _whether_ Adapt will come back or not, when nobody else actually cares if it does or doesn't.
It's a *Custom* card. The only things that should matter are the design and the balance, not Blizzard's release chronology and business decisions.
People in CustomHearthstone rarely care about which expansions their cards could theoretically belong in, because they're not designing cards just so they could be put in the game - seeing as they don't work at Blizzard.
It's just an unnecessary limitation you put on yourself and enforce on others. If a mechanic exists, and Blizzard didn't fully explore it in just 135 cards (hint: they never do), let people theorize for it without saying the opportunity is gone!
He is rating if the card will ever see play/print, explained within the next 40 seconds. The main issue with it was that it had the boomsday logo on the card, meaning it was meant to be "printed" in that set.
This is very true, and sadly I don't think Trump even understands this.
+oflords gamez I'm aware of his reasoning, but if he's going to keep mentioning it he should know why many people find it so irritating / silly.
P.S: As far as I've seen, most people don't pay much attention to the expansion logo on their cards, it's just as likely they used that logo because it's the latest set, or because it involves a mechanic from that set. The set is released. The card will never be printed in that set. Arguing over that feels moot, but Trump often argues over it.
- and, again, most people would rather find interesting combinations and synergies for game mechanics (like Omega + Adapt) without being bound by Blizzard's self-imposed set limitations.
When it comes to theory-crafting, it's best to accept that some 'rules' are redundant and stifle creativity.
+Domas Smaliukas - He's free to do what he wants, but some people will continue to complain or laugh about it as long as he does.
I'm only trying to raise the other perspective on this matter, as someone who made cards on the subreddit before and knows why his system might frustrate people.
If he chooses to keep arguing that 'dead' mechanics should be rated lower then it's up to him, but he's going to keep seeing them at the top frequently.
He is free to do as he pleases, his rating system is his. But if he’s gonna rate the past keyword cards 1 star anyway because don’t get printed anymore, why don’t just skip them and show another card?
"Omega is never coming back"
Omega Lul
Fun fact about Overeager Corgi: Two-Two sounds like Toutou , the French equivalent of Doggo. The more you know.
That is indeed interesting.
@Francis Labelle élève uh do you know what plushie means at least ?
@Francis Labelle élève No it's definitly Doggo. Source : Am French and American
Francis Labelle élève I'm just French toutou is a small dog
7:30
"Omega is never coming back"
Rise of shadows would like a word...
well to be fair a lot of mechanics are coming back in RoS. It is supposed to be a commemorative expac.
@@spookie1024 Dio plays hs :D
Adapt exists in different forms also
Whenever Trump tries to explain how he rates the cards, it always just changes depending on the situation lol
Exactly what i thought after he explained it this time xD
Trump, you're lowkey encouraging creators to be less innovative and explore less ideas by condemning old mechanics. There is a beauty in the liberty of design when creating a custom HS card, and it's from that freedom which intrigue manifests and pulls at the audience and creators alike into the exploration of new ideas (and new ways to approach old ideas). So creators will most likely draw on the whole toolkit of HS, not just one aspect of it. A change in perspective from "would Blizzard print this in the method we are used to," to "would Blizzard print this in a sorta Best-of-Hearthstone expansion that would go straight into Wild," would benefit your design rating ideology.
Yeah, I feel like "what mechanic to be printed on a card" should be the flavor that mattered rather than just limited to which expansion the mechanic came from. Omega being, for example, it probably survived for so long, it adapted multiple times.
Nah, he's lowkey enforcing better card design for the future. If customhearthtroggs were in charge of future expansions it would be a shitshow. It's not innovative or a """""""beauty"""""""" to add yet another broken ass legendary or shit OP card to the game because it has a zany and oh so creative effect. _B-But it's just for f-fun_ Then don't take it so seriously.
i dont really agree. i enjoy when people try to make their card more realistic, i pretty much hate low effort "comedy" cards
I dont think "hey let's reuse an old mechanic" is innovative. Since, you know, you're just reusing something blizzard has already done. Innovative would be making new mechanics or-better yet-making new designs without needing to add more keywords
Omega cards are meant to be a project assigned from the labs. Each class has its own theme. Druids have botany, though. Because botany isn't a creature which adapts, it loses flavor. Poor design. (Don't say it's a future expansion, the logo for boomsday is on the card.)
TRUMP, studious ogre was meant to attack the right most card on the board, the creator said so on the thread
@@jomsies true, it still could be a hoke as well, or I've seen people in this comment section that say it counters things like misdirection which is valid as well for a flavor in my opinion
a hoax? or a joke?
Joke. J and H are just right next to each other on the keyboard. Also a card that can't be misdirected would be really cool to have.
It's really stupid to give cards a low design just because it's an old mechanic. This is theorycrafting, Trump! Are we supposed to limit our imaginations to just whatever Blizzard is doing right now? It makes no sense.
BTW, maybe Omega Being should have said "If you have 10 mana crystals, gain ALL Adaptations"
It's really stupid to shit on someone else's rating system just because it doesn't meet your standard. This is his system, imaloony8! Is Trump supposed to limit his imaginations to just whatever you prefer right now? It makes no sense.
you people keep being extremely hypocritical, you imply that he is imposing his wrong rating on the cards thereby not giving them justice but it is actually you imposing your own card rating criteria on a man who is giving FUCKING OPINIONS, not giving him justice to his creative liberties.
@@ishga1407 How can trump limit his imagination? Hes rating cards that are already made he isnt imagining anything really.
Gaining all adaptations would be ridiculously overpowered! 5 mana 8/8 stealth windfury taunt which cant be targeted by spells... next turn you deal 16 damage to your opponent and he cant even answer with a spell, this is not even close to be ok man.
@@oliver8500 not all adaptations, just the three that show up so three random ones
I dont really like how trump talks about the lasting effects... like dr boom mad genius can be replaced as a hero and then there is no display to remind you that your mechs have rush also there is soo much dead space on the hearthstone field that adding some prompt or visual in one of the corners of the board wouldnt be to difficult imo
Edit: i know your hero changes but you can replace doctor boom with another hero and the effect is still in effect without any indication other than “remember the card was played”
Fanofstuff don’t forget rogue quest and I think jaina giving lifesteal to elementals! Or yogg and shudder casting a random number of effects based on what was done earlier, this mechanic already exists I’m not sure why he acts like it doesn’t.
He says that the lasting effect is written on your hero card.
@@ishga1407 Yeah but it's not like you can read the hero card mid-game if you forget everything the enemy hero card does. After the hero is placed, you lose access to the card (not considering the action bar, since it will eventually go away). It's not a huge deal.
The visual effect is that your hero is Dr Boom.
chocomonkey you can change your hero and the effect is still there... the point is that there exists lingering effects that dont necessarily have a visual all the time
11:44
I think a vaguely interesting thing that you might be able to do with the Hidden Knife, is to equip it and then equip another weapon.
As it says "gain +2 attack this turn", it presumably applies it to the hero and not the weapon.
I did say it was "vaguely" interesting.
Nope. When a card does that it's talking about itself. Otherwise it would say "your hero gains +2 attack".
*cough* blade flurry *cough*
@@theatzhok8917 What even
@@theatzhok8917 cough Fiery war axe 2.0 cough nerfed
@@Aganie. nerfed? At least FWA went face only once a turn =)
Deal 5 Damage Gain 5 Armor
Gains 5 Armor
Deal 5 damage
Loose Armor
repeat
Gain 20 Armor?
He's mistaken on the interaction in the video; if the cards are played back to back it might not work at all, the damage absorbed by armor isn't counted as damage _always._
Armor would be counted as damage, it doesn’t specify health
Trump dumb
was thinking the same thing.
@@eladesorviews6561 Neither do a lot of things, but it's still never been consistent. Damage to armor does not always count as damage.
If you think about it, all magnetic cards are really just "choose one"...
How?
@@galindohugo3829 You choose to either buff an existing minion, or summon a new minion.
I love the idea of Studious Ogre
-a bland card that does something amazing, albeit highly situational.
Get around secrets, get around Mogor/ Noggenfogger effects, cool idea.
Regarding the discharge suit, wouldn't it just be like the Cavern's Below? Like one is immediately present while the other isn't but they really are just the same thing with different effects.
Yes, it can totally work, and is easily trackable, the armor with Shaman thing is off flavor though.
The armor is off flavor, maybe if it had a mini healing rain effect or froze a random enemy. I personally love the idea of small ongoing effects that make following plays slightly better.
Yes, I think he was being unreasonable with the card. 1 star design because the legendary spells released so far have high mana cost and that doesn't, what the fuck? Are Jaraxxus and Dr. Boom also 1 star because they gives you zero and seven armor when the other hero cards give you 5? Nonsense. Maybe armor isn't a Shaman mechanic (although there are neutral cards that give armor) but that could be changed to healing without hurting the card too much. All in all a needlessly harsh rating with very poor reasoning
The other legendary spells are high cost for a very good reason, which he talked about in the video. It's not arbitrary. It's a game design choice. What these custom hearthstone designers fail to understand very often is the general game design rules that Blizzard abides by.
@@justinz9225 the legendary spells are high cost because they are game changing, not because they are legendary.
Trump if you play Magic the gathering you know they have printed sets like time spiral that brought back older mechanics and cards to the standard game ! Nothing prevents Blizzard from designing such a set one day :D
Thugzor3000 did you know that if you go onto Blizzard’s website you can buy old packs? They purposely don’t put that in the game because they want to keep the menu clean and organized. Because that’s what players want. Players want clean and organized. They don’t want dead mechanics and rehashing.
Time spiral is probably one of the worst examples you could have made. It is the prime example of why a cluster of keywords, with lots of old references, in the same set is a absolutely horrible idea, having had the worst new player experience of any set.
That being said blizzard definitely can (and should) reuse old keywords if it's fitting for the theme of the expansion. I would also love for them to come out with their own storm-scale to tell us how likely they are to reprint certain mechanics in the future.
@@adammat13 Time spiral was amazing and innovative for old players but very lackluster for new players. The flavor and uniqueness of the set was amazing. Its fine for a set to be this way as long as the majority of sets are good for new players. TS block happens to be one of my favorite blocks as it gave a LOT to the game and had loads of flavor.
MEMES MLG time spiral was complete garbage, dude.
@0IIIIII Hum a time spiral like set in standard would be part of the standard sets so it wouldn't affect the menu in any way ? Also "players want clean and organized" is your personal standpoint. What people seem to enjoy overall regardless of what standard looks like in terms of mechanics is variety in the decks they can field. I just think that sprinkling old mechanics in a set would be fun and help do just that.
How about to make Electra's Discharge Suit a 0/3 weapon ?
Ya kinda like what they did with aluneth, that would also make it pretty well balanced too
It also gets rid of the interaction beetween electra + this card, giving it double the effect.
Yeah shaman needs something like this cos he is bad
Then stormforge axe would overwrite it.
@@EDoyl it makes it a limiting factor
Shadowverse already sloved the problem with on going effects for your hero (it has quite a few of those).
You can just hover of the hero and it will show you all the effects.
It's not like effects like this are new to HS anyway, so I don't get what the big deal is.
Not having a visual reminder is confusing for new players.
(Tfw you write a meme reply but it's actually a reasonable concern.)
Because blizzard employees dont like thinking outside of their box
That's like not remembering that your elementals have lifesteal until you play them because you've since then transformed into shadow reaper anduin somehow, but at least in these cases you can see what's different about your minions once in play.
Better than overloading, gaining armor, and still not knowing why it happened because your pet parrot just ate your burger so you're a little distracted, right?
TinyZu Blizzard already does it. Therefore it is absolutely retarded to shit on custom cards for doing the same thing.
@Firelord300156 Of course they don't. That's why they created a lot of new and complete different keywords and game modes since beta, which by the way outclasses Shadowverse by far.
Who else is watching this after rise of shadows?
Trump: "OmeWha iS a MecWaniK twAs neva cOmiN baG"
Blizzard saw the warlock custom quest and was like "Aye, that's good"
So for the Suit:
Make it a quest! But it would be like this:
4 Mana Quest
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Play a card with Overload.
Reward: 3 Armor and cast this again.
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*Edit:*
could also be something like:
1 Mana Quest
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Overload a total of 10(15?) Mana Crystals.
Reward: Discharge
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Discharge:
5 Mana
Gain 20 Armor
10:11 JESUS THE FLASHBACKS. I just realize Patches broke my life on some level.
Your continuing insistence that use of an old mechanic makes a card unprintable shows you don’t understand the point of custom card creation.
It’s a *custom* card. It’s imaginative. You can do what you like, including reworking old mechanics into fresh ideas, taking advantage of new mechanics and themes. Omega Being, for instance, is a really neat fusion of the Omega and Adapt mechanics.
You don’t know that Adapt will never be resurrected or reworked for a future set. Joust was, in Raven Familiar. Even if it never is, *you shouldn’t penalise good ideas just because they use old mechanics.*
Huwage So the card creators can do what they like, but Trump can’t rate them how he likes?
Rick Felt Trump can do what he wants. The card creators can also do what they want. When the card creators create stupid ass shit, let trump call them out for it. When trump calls a reasonable card stupid ass shit, we should call him out on it too.
It's easy to be imaginative. But much better design to imagine a card that also works with the game at its current state. That's what the ratings are for. You dislike that Trump "doesn't understand card creation" but clearly you don't understand the game. Creators can make whatever kind of cards they want with their """"" _imagination_ """", why can't Trump rate them however his format wants?
Omega Being was kind of a poorly designed card anyways
Huwage I think he’d rather see new interesting mechanics than just reusing old ones.
I think that one visual effect on a hero is already in the game and that is Priest's Shadowform. I know that also changes your hero power, but visual effect stays around even if you play hero card with new hero power. So i think that effects like that are memorable, even if you can't hover over them or see them
Hearthstone team made Fel Corruption a real card and balanced as the stormwind priest quest
The Warlock Quest would be fine as long as it only counted damage to Health, not damage to Armor. You’d have to destroy your own Armor or get your opponent to destroy the Armor before using another Crystaliser.
Grab-O-Tron: Shuffle a COPY of a minion into your deck. More balanced?
It would be way too weak
After a whole year, Overeager Corgi has finally been reborn into the form of Parachute Brigand
Studious Ogre can be a good card. It stops Noble Sacrifice, Misdirection and Mogor the Ogre. And other miss or target ATK effects.
Not a single one of those cards see play
Also your wrong, it doesn't counter any of those cards or any other card among that sort. Why is that the text on this card would overwrite theirs instead of vice versa?
"Make it glow is too complicated."
Shadowverse: Hold my fucking beer.
I don’t like when he rates a card down because it won’t be printed. I wish he just rated a card on its own merit.
Michael Kelly welp, it’s his system, on his video, on his channel. He likes this way and others (like me) like it too. It is different from other people’s design rating on CHS cards.
The Achiever I don’t mind his ratings in general. I just hate when there is an interesting card and then he says “this won’t be printed because it is an omega card”. No one cares if the card is printed or not, we’re here to see his opinion about the cards.
@@azazelop5223 And thats his opinon. He dont like using effects that were used and probably won't ever be
Bartek Karatysz fair enough. I’m just stating my opinion.
a cards power level depends on the other card of the set. it means, you can have a very op card by itself, what doesnt fit in any deck, cause the combo.
0:28 i like how in 2021 they printed exactly that but only 15 damage is really
Trump: (0) with 2/2 is op.
Blizzard: you‘re right let‘s give it rush and an extra Card draw.
And then there were felhound portals
Nerrox After i saw the Card i thought the same thing XD
It's almost like you need to play a higher cost card first to get those portals...
Ich think the Card Text of overeager corgi should read
"when you Draw this Minion at the start of your turn, Put It onto the Battlefield."
Eska That doesn’t help
Rick Felt why Not If youd draw It with a "Draw card" cards ud get a 3/2/2 thats a big downside tho
trump rating 1 star design 1 star balance at a quest we up getting but even stronger hehe
"None of the legendary spells from boomsday are cheap"
Blizzard: *5 Mana pocket galaxy*
0:19
Lmao how
Go home skipperino you are drunk
WTF are you doing here?? Where is Trumperino?
Hahahah
Change your name as "Skipperino Kripperino and Trumperino"
5:24 Finally! I'm so happy Trump is spreading the word that minions enter play before their battlecry effect occurs. This has got to be the number one misconception about hearthstone interactions. Even other hearthstone professionals on youtube get it wrong, and I've been correcting people for years about it. I've seen people defend it by saying "well of course everyone knows how it works, we all just say that battlecry happens first because it's easier than describing all the phases." But no. People get this wrong all the time for all situations. I don't know why it frustrates me so much, but I'm glad Trump mentioned it.
Fel Imp, while imbalanced, brings up an interesting concept. What if to fix discard, you just instead discover a card in your hand and discard it?
Food for thought about Overeager Corgi.
Technically you can draw cards on your opponent turn (naturalize, coldlight, enemy trading into your loot hoarder etc.).
Having loot hoarder topdecking that and putting it right onto the battlefield would make it pretty good card combo - especially that if your opponent would trade in the early game into loot hoarder and couldn't trade with card put on the battlefield you could instantly attack using it.
Spoiler alert! Omega came back in the rise of shadow!
Discharge Suit is off flavor, but the concept is perfectly fine. Caverns Below does the same thing(a hidden, ongoing effect), and if it is really too difficult to track, have the hero portrait have a glowing aura around it and when you hover your mouse over it, you see a card with the ongoing effect pop up so you can read it, similar to how you can see what a hero power does when you hover it.
I also love the idea of having a legendary cycle of ongoing effects that make your plays or other state based effects slightly(but not drastically) better. I decided to take a crack at such a cycle:
Primal Rage(8 mana Druid card): "For the rest of the game, your choose one cards instead have both effects." Making it 8 mana avoids Nourish abuse and still allows for cheeky 10 mana plays with Wrath or Power of the Wild, and it specifying cards keeps the Death Knight hero power from being too strong.
Hunting Trails(5 mana Hunter card): "For the rest of the game, your traps cost (1) and any minions summoned from your traps gain +1 attack." Not really breakable, and requires being built around to work.
Spell Overflow(3 mana Mage card): "For the rest of the game, when you cast a spell, deal 1 damage to a random enemy." Mini Flamewaker effect that can't be removed, but 1 damage shouldn't be too problematic, objectively weaker than +1 spell damage.
Blessing of Vengeance(4 mana Paladin card): "For the rest of the game, when a friendly minion dies, restore 1 health to all other friendly characters." Pushes a tempo Paladin, gives some additional value to the hero power when you hit late game, and doesn't make aggro too strong I think.
Loving Piety(6 mana Priest card): "For the rest of the game, if an effect would restore health to a friendly character, double that effect instead." 6 mana feels like the right cost for this, but there just might not be a version of Priest that cares about this kind of effect.
Spiteful Welcome(5 mana Rogue card): "For the rest of the game, after your opponent summons a minion, deal one damage to it." Tax effect that feels like something that would be on flavor for a control rogue card, 5 mana may be too low for this however and it may prove problematic since it directly counters Divine Shield.
Exert the Elements(4 mana Shaman card): "For the rest of the game, whenever you Overload, restore 3 health randomly split among all friendly characters." Requires being built around and gives 1/4 of a Healing Rain effect on Overload, so it is an additional .75 mana value on Overload card. Looks strong at first, but I feel it might actually be too weak. A more on flavor version of the Shaman card in this video.
Dark Scrying(3 mana Warlock card): "For the rest of the game, whenever you discard a card, draw a card." Permanent Malchezzar's Imp effect. Makes Doomguard and Soulfire very strong, but requires a 3 mana investment(which I think would kill it being useful in aggro), needs to be built around and most discard cards are not good enough to play to begin with.
Zealous Frontline(7 mana Warrior card): "For the rest of the game, your Taunt minions gain Rush." I originally wanted this to also give your Rush minions Taunt, but that felt way too powerful since Dr. Boom exists.
When you put a better version of Tracking on a 2 mana 3/3 Demon you know you fucked up somewhere.
Wording of 'Discover a card from your deck and discard it' would need to change to something like 'Reveal 3 cards from your deck and discard 1', as discover adds a card to your deck so the current wording would discard a card that was just added, (i.e. do nothing apart from adding to the discard count for other cards abilities), rather than actually discard a card from your original deck.
I wonder if the armor would negate the dmg and not count it towards the quest :/
Yeah I think spellstone doesn't upgrade when you have armor
I know that the ones that require your hero to take damage still work.
Well, the "Deal x damage to the enemy hero" quest works with armor as well, so I assume it counts normally.
It does not.
It wouldn't
Actually chaining crystallizers would not activate that warlock quest more than once. Because the subsequent damage would not actually hurt the hero, it would just remove the armor. And that doesn’t count. We’ve found this with later cards like from Scholomance where losing armor as priest or warlock doesn’t count as your health changing. And I’m almost certain something like this would count the same (even though the wording is technically different for “deal 30 damage to your hero” versus “your health total changed”.) I’m pretty sure there are older effects that would support this same interaction explanation.
Trump I have to disagree with your rating on Fel Imp I think it is fair because you only really run those cards on quest warlock and quest warlock sucks and needs a card like this to help bump it up. I cant be used for other decks but they have to give up better cards to even put in other discard cards. Thinning your deck isnt actually a great thing because fatigue is a thing but where i do agree that this card isnt too great to print is that if the cards you have to choose are all cards you want (which would be good cards like Lich King and etc.) then you basically have an automatic disadvantage and are automatically behind on a good card. Discard is just a bad mechanic in my opinion.
The corgi could never be printed because nobody would ever kill it it’s too adorable and a 0 mana 2/2 with *immune* is op
I cant believe blizzard did print "fel corruption" 1:03
It's funny watching these old reviews now all this time later because some things that seem broken I dont think would make a lot of decks nowadays
On the first card it would depend if taking armor away counts as dealing dmg to your hero cuz if it doesnt it could work
Vayne + Defender of Argus + the new "can't be targeted" minion.
For a persistent effect, have it take up the quest slot. You just can't play a quest with it.
Shuffle the meerkats into your deck with the card that doubles cards shuffled and boom the meerkats are actually op. Betcha didn’t think about that!
1:21 I read that as "Shuffle seven and a half Meekats into your deck."
In Shadowverse the permanent leader effects can be seen by tapping portrait of hero in question
_Improvements_ [imo]
*• Fel Corruption* Deal 30 damage to your hero _(armor loss doesn't count.)_
*• Ner'zhul | Battlecry:* At the start of your next turn, destroy the enemy hero.
*• Grab-o-tron* -Warrior weapon- _Rogue weapon_ [stats unchanged due to weapon removal and face-tanking priority targets]
*• Hellfire Spitter | Battlecry:* Deal 3 damage. _If target is your hero, deal 3 damage to all characters instead._
*• Vayne the Glorious* _Whenever an enemy attacks this minion, put a paladin secret from your deck into the battlefield._
*• Omega Being* [stats unchanged - there are some strong tri-adaptations]
*• Omega Being v2* 5-mana 4/4 *Choose Twice: Rush; Lifesteal; Adapt* If you have 10 mana crystals, combine all 3 effects.
*• Fel Imp | Battlecry:* Discard a random card from your deck. [stats unchanged due to random discard]
*• Studious Orge* _50% chance to attack the enemy hero._
*• Overeager Corgi* _2-mana 2/1_ [text unchanged due to single health point]
*• Electra's Discharge Suit* 3-mana *_Overload: (3)_*_ Summon a permanent suit that deals 3 damage randomly._
*• Electra's Discharge Suit* (minion) At the end of your turn, deal 3 damage randomly split among all enemies.
Why does it matter if a mechanic is "dead" or not? Who is to say someone isn't theory crafting a card retroactively. With more of a mindset of "Wouldnt it have been cool had this card been printed in that previous set". Trumps reasoning in my eyes is just very pedantic and pointless, yes we *know* the mechanic is from an older set, no need to keep pointing it out, just review the card as if it had been part of that set
Right?
IMO using "dead" mechanics is fine if you're making a custom card for the set those mechanics appeared in. But mixing and matching different mechanics (as almost all of these cards do) is sloppy design, so I'm ok with giving them low scores for that.
NoeLPZC Well then you're frankly kind of a fucking idiot. Custom cards don't have to be for _any_ set. They're hypothetical. And sloppy design is sloppy design, completely independant from whatever design space you decide to explore.
Dexxus Trump has stated his reasoning multiple times.
Dexxus More like you are the hypocritical idiot. Claims the cards are totally hypothetical so they shouldn't even be taken seriously, but can't stop being constantly butthurt over seeing some virtual stars taken out of them lol.
Also, it's his opinion. He should be free to review whatever he wants the way he wants and he already made the point he will not change his ways, so why are you even watching his reviews? Do us all a favor (including yourself) and fuck off.
Interestingly enough, "If you have (X) Mana Crystals" did eventually come back as a mechanic....
I think tracking effects is important, but let's not forget that we do actually already have an effect in the game that doesn't get tracked. dr boom mad genius' battlecry persists if the hero is overwritten.
9:55 That's... Actually not an awful mechanic. It means that any card such as misdirection gets countered, plays through something like Mayor Noggenfogger, etc.
Grab-o-tron may not be expensive but it means you take a shit ton of face damage to get a good minion. Like take 10 damage is 1/3 of your health and all you gain is 1 more draw and a expensive minion.
Problem with Meerkat is that if they even have a single taunt you can't attack, due to the deathrattle effect of all meerkats being shuffled back into your deck, even on your turn. So your opponent doesn't have to kill off your minion.
Would be better statted at 2/3.
yeah.. thought the same. looks trashy
I just want to say that Studious Ogre counters other ogres and therefore serves a purpose, if rather niche. I can see it being in a control deck to stop counters.
7:33
*Omega Devastator*
Battlecry: If you have 10 Mana Crystals, deal 10 damage to a minion.
Released in Rise of the Shadows, literally the next set after Boomsday. I wonder if the second you saw that card revealed you realized how foolish you were going to look retro actively? Though since the community is obviously being influenced by you, perhaps you should probably stop putting arbitrary limitations on them for things you clearly can't predict.
MarxForever=Fucking moron...
They wanted to bring villains back so it was a special case. And now 3 years later, we still don't see omega anymore, so uhhhh... guess he was not the foolish one here.
@@Willowisp927
Hi, I'm Mana Thrist.
Have we met?
I wonder how many people also think Inspire and Adapt where good mechanics? Inspire was a very nice mechanic that basically said, tempo me with your hero power for maximum benefit. Not to mention they had their own giant. Adapt was a nice way to get bonuses that where flexible. While I will see most adapt minions where meh, and the good ones where a tad ridiculous, yes, looking at you flappy aggro. It still was a good mechanic, and I would love to see blizzard use older mechanics again.
Thia probably my favorite series and I really appreciate how he explains his ratings
Betrayal is usually worse than supercollider because it is more situational as the targeted minion is not damaged, which is why supercollider is so strong. Against aggro decks a 7 mana entomb machine is a dead card because it only deals with one minion a turn, and against control decks it isn't even better than the rogue quest, shudderwock, frost lich jaina, etc. All of which generally cost less than 10 and are uninteractive. When every control deck runs weapon removal these days, a 7 mana entomb that damages you isn't actually that crazy. Entomb wouldn't even be that good in the current meta in my opinion.
Hey Trump, just a thought, instead of stars for the balance rating you could try a system of -2,-1,0,+1,+2, with 0 being balanced, 1 being needs a little tweaking, and 2 being *ridiculously overpowered* along with the ½'s in between for good measure. It could be like a meter with red on the sides fading through yellow into green in the middle.
...although at this point the current rating system has been there for quite some time, so it may just be more confusing to change it, but hey.
Persistent effects like Electra should be appended as a buff to the hero power. Make hero power icon glow instead of hero portrait to indicate there's a persistent buff.
One thing to balance grabotron even though it hurts the flavour: if it kills the minion shuffle it into your deck.
for the suit an easy way to show it when played would be to use the mechanics like the one used for the demo quest portal and the cavern rogue quest : just use a creature spot for it ^^
Vayne the Glorious is not hard to hit with a minion -- as soon as the target player can't summon more minions, the attack goes through.
To balance fel corruption you could just say "deal 30 damage to your hero's health", that makes crystallizer worse if played consecutively
Okay i get trumps design rating but according to that, every hs card in the game is actually a 5 star on design...? Sounds odd^^
MrKrasnox Yes, because Design is based on possibility of being added to the game, so all cards that are in the game have a probability of getting in the game at 1/1
Rick Felt Would warsong commander *really* be printed if it came to the chopping block? Also, what about cards that were hall of fame’d? That’s basically blizzard saying they printed a 1 star design card, since by your own words “1 star design means it couldn’t be balanced to be printed”
@@rickhaavisto9023 yeh i know, that was a rhetorical question XD there a definitively cards in the game with bad design, so trumps definiton of design doesn't really fit the word "design" in my opinion...
MrKrasnox
Why ? Because Blizzard cant make mistakes and everything is perfect ?
If Trump would rate official Hearthstone cards, they probably wouldnt all get 5 stars
@@pitmaster226 It's almost like no one is perfect and they can make mistakes aswell, but still, they are far beyond custom hs's design choices as many are just silly or would just HS level to Yugi-oh many years ago.
For those who shit on why Trump is giving low design just because people are using old keywords --
PAY ATTENTION TO THE VIDEO! He already explained he judges the design based on the possibility of the cards being actually printed in the future.
And MOST old keywords (Adapt for Un'goro, Inspire for TGT, Omega for Boomsday like he mentioned) are fitted in their own theme. You are most likely not going to see them anymore in the future expansions when they are rotated out.
The grab-o-tron can be if u killed a minion then shuffle a copy into your deck and raise the mana
I feel like hearthstone needs to introduce what elder scrolls legends uses and MTG uses - support cards. These are either ongoing or active effects. Then there are cards printed in class and neutral that destroy said support cards. A lot of the recent designs you’ve showcased all are those kinds of players’ inspirations
The notion that Blizzard will never revisit old mechanics and themes bothers me. One of the most common complaints when MTG shifted from a 3 set per block structure to a 2 block per set paradigm was that there wasn't enough time or cards to enjoy the setting and mechanics and I feel that is true for Hearthstone especially with regard to the new "solo adventure content" What if there was a sequel to the Boomsday where all manner of irradiated or mutated creature and fel magic imbued mechs would be the theme expanding upon mechanics introduced in the set. The sparse few neutral and class mechs makes it difficult to adopt tribal strategies or any strategy really. If given more time and desig space Blizzard could improve the balance of certain mechanics and push new strategies instead of having to start over with something new every 4 months. The meta I feel has, for all of its diversity, stagnated over the past few expansions. After initial experimentation with new decks the decks proven successful from previous metas maintain their dominance into the new expansion and the former get scrapped. Narratively it would give them time to expand content as well. The puzzle labs could have been smaller and more succinct in design and the sequel set could have you achieving something with the knowledge accrued from experimentation in the boom lab. I like playing this game but I feel the story telling and design philosophy could be tempered and refined and as players experimenting with card design should he encouraged to refine it.
9:57 actually studios ogre can counter mayor?
(there was an another ogre that makes everyone %50 chance to attack wrong enemy but i forget his name)
Mogor.
Also no, doesn't counter that minion or any minion with similar text. There is no reason as to why this cards text would overwrite their text just because this says 100% and theirs is 50%. The 50% attack card could just as easily change the 100% to 50%.
Fel Imp's text should say Battlecry: discover a card from your deck and send it to the shadow realm.
If the Design rating reflects whether a card could ever be printed, wouldn't a Yes, No, Maybe rating be better and have another star rating category called something like Concept so if a card is a cool idea but would not see print (maybe because it includes a mechanic from an old set 😀) it could get acknowledgement that it's an interesting idea but not feasible?
Hidden Knife is remarkably close to Ritual Chopper pretty cool
*Kidnap* could be the mechanic name of shuffling an enemy minion into your deck
Watching this in 2023, I see that Trump was way off the evaluation of the cards if we consider them for now.
On Choose One: It is a pretty dumb choice by blizz to limit choose one to druid. Choose One is not a "special" mechanic - it is a very, VERY useful balance lever.
On Discharge Suit: Creating new UI isnt the biggest thing, really. So many options. If Blizz introduces many (semi)permanent effects, they would just create a UI element that would behave similary to the "Triggered Effect" UI on minions and hovering over that element shows which effects are currently active. It could be kind of a dropdown menu, allowing you hover over the effect names for details even.
So this is pretty easy to implement, all things considered. So yeah, design on this card is 4-5 stars: It introduces an interesting new effect. The effect is possible to implement, fits the gameplay of HS very well and would elevate its depth and creativity to a new level.
The legendary armor thing should function like a netherportal and take up a minion slot
3:20 super collider is way better than betrayal because the minions attack each other instead of just one doing its damage to two others.
Trump, the first card each week is the subreddit's weekly desigm competition winner. Maybe you could like mention that in the video and say what the design prompt was? Would just give more context.
they should introduce continuous spells into hearthstone, and have a spot on the field for it like a dormant minion.
Change the Grab-o-Tron to shuffle a copy into your deck, while making it have 2 durability
Fel corruption is definetly more balanced and more interesting of a design than just 1 star, also trump, did it ever cross your mind that when you use crystalliser 4 times, you dont get 20armor, you only gain five because the damage is dealt to the armor that crystalliser gives you. It also wouldnt proc fel corruption, because it damages the armor, not your hero
I think that the over eager corgi could be : "If you draw this card with 5 or less cards in hand put it onto the battlefield"
So its powerful card but not overtuned.
I like how Trump said that Omega won't ever come back. I wish it didn't xD
For the first one crystalizer doesnt break it because when you play the second one it just destroys the armor and reapplies 5 more armor
Madden Gold it just says hero damage, so it would still count because wording.
Damage to armor is still damage buddy, you can check out other synergies that are similar
@@FishTall well thats fucking stupid
The only thing I come here for is to watch Trump give some ridiculous and insane commentary on custom cards. Literally everytime there's some mind-boggling reason to give super low rating to any card that's not a vanilla 2/3. If it is a River Crocolisk, then it's 5/5 for design, balance and excellence in card design.
Apparently Trump doesn’t think Floop’s Glorious Gloop is a low cost spell... the more you know I guess.
the spell is a leate game spell. its cheap, cause it has to be. it could be 5 mana, but then you could only gain 2 + mana from it w a full board. it horrible. so think about it first, then speak.
Rambrus0 13:23 His exact words were “There were no cheap legendary spells”. He didn’t say there were no early game spells, he said no cheap spells.
he sad that too, that the other legendary spells are not go for it early spells
@@GG-dt5hh Apparently somebody can't read anything except if taken literally.
5:33 What about tweaking the description to 'At the start of your turn play Noble Sacrifice.' ?
That way it's only got one Defender per turn and the opponent has a chance to deal with it when first played.
K R make it end of turn or it’s just a 3 mana 1/2