For years I've seen this kitbash/variant of the Ambassador Class and I never really liked it much... However, after seeing it here in 3D, I think I'm warming up to it.
I would question the placement of phaser strips directly below the warp nacelles. Yeah, they could always program the phasers not to fire right into the nacelles. But, there's a serious waste of phaser strip just taking up space.
I didn't think much of this design on screen or paper, but once I got this model, I really warmed to it. She looks good at many angles, and I would have liked to see this as an actual ship on screen (rather than just wreckage).
I was just about to mention that. I also noticed that the bottom nacelle is rather close to the escape pod hatches at the bottom of the ship. Imagine frantically abandoning ship only to smack right into the nacelles!
The classes of starships represented at Wolf 359 likely DID fight in the Dominion War but by then, newer classes of starships probably largely replaced the older classes as Wolf 359 exposed how the Federation needed to upgrade its military forces to handle foes that weren't the local bunch in their part of the galaxy.
ryan I imagine newer ships would start taking over but I think it would have been nice to see the TNG erra ships instead of all the Miranda and Excelsior class ships. I know it's because they had models, both physical and later digital, for these and it was a means of keeping production costs down.
i loved this ship was really looking forward to it loved how because of this ships 3rd nacelle could still hold speed warp 8 unlike most could only hold speed of warp 6 but still has good reason why not common thing for star fleet ships to have. the one thing i noticed about this ship the position of the phaser strips at the rear of the saucer section in wrong position blocked bye the nacelles.
It's likely that Starfleet considered making a Niagara class starship an Enterprise but then decided that they needed Enterprise to be a larger class of starship to better honour the name Enterprise and so a Galaxy class starship got the name instead.
I'm really curious about this one! Without the 3rd nacelle it looks like it could have been a contemporary of the Ambassador, like an alternate to it. Registry is too high, but it makes me think of the fan Rigel class I've seen.
I've never been a fan of ships with odd numbers of nacelles. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I will say however that this ship has a great design. If you are going to have a ship with three nacelles THIS is the way to do it! Very cool looking.
Well..he also said that there will be no conflict aboard Starfleet vessels in the 24th century.Nice idea,horrible for writing a tv show :D But the "even numbered nacelle " thing could be explained away if the actually meant an even number of Warp Coils.Constitution Nacelles for example had only 1 set,Galaxy Nacelles 2 sets of Coils per nacelle,making the number even^^
For those who question the number of warp engines think of it like this: look to airplanes and the engines they have on them. Many, if not most, commercial airplanes have two engines just look at Beoing's 757, 767, 777, etc... Three engines MD-10, 11, etc. Four engines like the 747 or the A380... Take it further and have EIGHT engines like with B52 or the Antonov... but ask, WHY do I need eight warp engines on a starhip?
I noticed the saucer section and neck are misaligned. This seems to be a common problem. I’ve received several “Enterprise” models with this problem. I’ve contacted Eaglemoss and they acted as if they don’t care.
NihilusShadow no kidding , drop the third nacelle and you have a third class vessel behind the Galaxy and Nebula that is sort of a transition between the Ambassador era and the Galaxy era. Would rather have seen that than the damn Excelsior in seasons 1&2. Further if you want to have extra reserve drive system I would instead have mounted 1/3 sized nacelles off of the same mounting point of the hull but using an invert T mount so that the nacelles are on either side of the secondary but not below
Eh it would be close, but the only thing it shares is the stardrive section. The saucer, neck, pylons and nacelles are different enough from the Ambassador.
The three nacelles dont look a goofy if they were two below and one above. I also like how the top two block the phaser banks so better check your target before you fire haha.
I feel like this ship would look better without the nacelle attached to the bottom of the secondary hull... Reminds me of the New Orleans class, just seems to be added to be different from a standard enterprise design. However a cool ship none the less.
cool, i have like 40 issues, had to stop because the collection was too damn large lol, (also didnt like the join marks) wish they did micro-machine size models, i dont see any reason why they cant do small collections one day... i would kill for that. :D
I actually like this one. I think it would look better if they dropped the 3rd nacelle and spread the other 2 apart a bit. I prefer the nacelles to be above the Saucer section just like the original TOS Enterprise Our slung underneath like the Reliant. This is one of the few TNG era ships That actually looks quite well balanced. My opinion Voyager and the Enterprise D Look unbalanced as the rear end of the ships looks far too small compared to the front half.
Are docks designed for ships with two nacelles able to be used for a ship with three ? It is not clear whether the interiors of docks (which are certainly elegant pieces of engineering) can be adapted to suit different designs of ship, or whether “one size fits all”. An advantage with the familiar two-nacelle design is that shots damaging the nacelles are less likely to damage the saucer (and thus, the primary hull) than is the case with this more compact design, which looks more vulnerable than the usual design. A sufficiently powerful bomb could damage both a nacelle and the primary hull, because they are so close together.
I HATE HATE HATE the Engine Struts. Just hate them. As for the secondary hull combined with galaxy las like saucer section doesnt work for me either. Its like a mad attempt at building this ship with spare parts. I suppose its operates ok but its just damned ugly UGHHH
I'd rather the 3rd was mounted dorsally, off the back of the primary hull, like the classic dreadnoughts. I prefer to call three-nacelle ships "triremes"; all dreadnoughts are triremes (save for Section 31's _Vengeance_), but not all triremes are dreadnoughts.
I hate when they do crap like this. It comes off as so hillbilly in its estetic. The silhouette is completely F'd up.Looks like a lamprey stuck on the bottom of a shark whale.
IMDARKFIRE007 Uuhh, dude. The original model for this ship, including the third engine, were made about 3 and a half years before "Best of Both Worlds". And number of engines don't matter as much in Star Trek in terms of improving speed. Otherwise, why is the Enterprise D considered superior to say, the 4 engined Constellation class ship "Stargazer", Picard's own preceding command? And that ship appeared 7 years before AGT. Why didn't Voyager's crew just jury-rig like 10 engines onto the ship, instead of constantly looking for shortcuts like Wormholes, Slipstream and Transwarp to get home?
There is otherwise ships with more nacelles wouldn't exist. Most likely with more nacelles they can Switch between the nacelles. This prevents overheating for example for long Range ships.
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I've always loved three-nacelled designs, but had no idea about this ship! It is just ridiculous enough that I love it!
I think that's a great idea showing the ships that fought at Wolf 359
For years I've seen this kitbash/variant of the Ambassador Class and I never really liked it much... However, after seeing it here in 3D, I think I'm warming up to it.
I would question the placement of phaser strips directly below the warp nacelles. Yeah, they could always program the phasers not to fire right into the nacelles. But, there's a serious waste of phaser strip just taking up space.
I noticed that too. Could cause you to have a very bad day.
This is so much better than the XL A.
Love this, as I do all the Wolf 359 ships. :)
I too love the kit-bash aspects of the Wolf 359 ships.
Those phaser strips under the Bassard collectors are a great idea !!.
I didn't think much of this design on screen or paper, but once I got this model, I really warmed to it. She looks good at many angles, and I would have liked to see this as an actual ship on screen (rather than just wreckage).
I like how the bussard collectors are directly above the Phaser strips haha! Slight overlook there.
Whoops!
I was just about to mention that. I also noticed that the bottom nacelle is rather close to the escape pod hatches at the bottom of the ship. Imagine frantically abandoning ship only to smack right into the nacelles!
I noticed that too. Could cause you to have a very bad day.
I've always liked the Niagara Class because of the unique aspects of it. Great vid.
I think the uss prinston is a cool ship the colour is fantastic and am glad it’s amongst the collection
Also, I'm happy to see RCS decals on the nacelles. Something the Enterprise D models were missing.
The thing that I find odd, is how close those phaser strips are to those top bussard collectors.( careful not to shoot off the bussards.)
starship designs I NEVER even knew existed!
Never knew what to think about this ship, but it certainly stands out.
Not sure I care to have the phaser arrays so close to the edge of the saucer, but I love the profile of this, and can't wait to pick this one up.
Yes to Wolf 359 review
Has he done the review yet?
That's a strange one but I will still consider adding it to the collection...sucker for Federation ships.
I wish we would have seen the Wolf 359 ships in the Dominion War.
The classes of starships represented at Wolf 359 likely DID fight in the Dominion War but by then, newer classes of starships probably largely replaced the older classes as Wolf 359 exposed how the Federation needed to upgrade its military forces to handle foes that weren't the local bunch in their part of the galaxy.
ryan I imagine newer ships would start taking over but I think it would have been nice to see the TNG erra ships instead of all the Miranda and Excelsior class ships. I know it's because they had models, both physical and later digital, for these and it was a means of keeping production costs down.
I always enjoy your reviews. Lots of fun and very informative as well!
i loved this ship was really looking forward to it loved how because of this ships 3rd nacelle could still hold speed warp 8 unlike most could only hold speed of warp 6 but still has good reason why not common thing for star fleet ships to have. the one thing i noticed about this ship the position of the phaser strips at the rear of the saucer section in wrong position blocked bye the nacelles.
Great place to store saucer phaser strips, right under the bussard collectors. Klingons on the starboard bow wont stand a chance!
nice model
I don't know if I like this ship or not. Interesting that it appears to be based on design's/material's from the C-era though.
The way I saw it is that the 3rd naecell could created a war field with a ship with 1 or another 3 naecell ship.
Nice looking ship.
Love to see a wolf 359 review but I would wait till the Uss Melbourne Nebula type is released which Ben has teased on twitter
I don’t know why, but I used to hate the ambassador class too. Then one day I started liking it.. a lot. No idea what changed.
Without the 3rd nacelle it looks good enough to be an Enterprise!
It's likely that Starfleet considered making a Niagara class starship an Enterprise but then decided that they needed Enterprise to be a larger class of starship to better honour the name Enterprise and so a Galaxy class starship got the name instead.
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I wonder if the designer had The Liberator in mind when they made that engine layout ?
Why do I picture a fanmade Star Trek series which makes use of a Niagara class starship as the main setting?
I just got this one and issue 125 alice. The serial number for the niagara class is 1034-A/A. Also issue 126 alice is 8275-A/A.
I'm really curious about this one! Without the 3rd nacelle it looks like it could have been a contemporary of the Ambassador, like an alternate to it. Registry is too high, but it makes me think of the fan Rigel class I've seen.
Largely because the original description given for the Rigel-class was likely mean't to be of THIS ship model, in the 90s.
I've never been a fan of ships with odd numbers of nacelles. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I will say however that this ship has a great design. If you are going to have a ship with three nacelles THIS is the way to do it! Very cool looking.
the best starship model i ever pick up great model😊😊
I like it but Gene Roddenberry would disapprove "warp nacelles must be in pairs".
Well..he also said that there will be no conflict aboard Starfleet vessels in the 24th century.Nice idea,horrible for writing a tv show :D
But the "even numbered nacelle " thing could be explained away if the actually meant an even number of Warp Coils.Constitution Nacelles for example had only 1 set,Galaxy Nacelles 2 sets of Coils per nacelle,making the number even^^
For those who question the number of warp engines think of it like this: look to airplanes and the engines they have on them. Many, if not most, commercial airplanes have two engines just look at Beoing's 757, 767, 777, etc... Three engines MD-10, 11, etc. Four engines like the 747 or the A380... Take it further and have EIGHT engines like with B52 or the Antonov... but ask, WHY do I need eight warp engines on a starhip?
I noticed the saucer section and neck are misaligned. This seems to be a common problem. I’ve received several “Enterprise” models with this problem. I’ve contacted Eaglemoss and they acted as if they don’t care.
Now thats a pretty cool ship. Love your videos man!
Irish Trekkie fantastic brilliant !!! Have you got a program like this on The Steamrunner Class ??? Thank you again all the best !!!
I think it would look better without the third nacelle, sitting nicely between Ambassador and Galaxy classes.
i would like to see a wolf 359 video
This is great! Thanks for the video. I hated this ship till I saw this video.
Where can I get these, are they a lot of money
The length here is MUCH bigger than listed on Ex Astris Scientia website (measured to the nacelles?) that was more 480 metres.
So it was kit bashed between a Galaxy class with Engines and the secondary Hull and Saucer of a Ambassador.
That third nacelle is really goofy looking. If they removed it, it would actually look like a nice little ship.
NihilusShadow no kidding , drop the third nacelle and you have a third class vessel behind the Galaxy and Nebula that is sort of a transition between the Ambassador era and the Galaxy era. Would rather have seen that than the damn Excelsior in seasons 1&2.
Further if you want to have extra reserve drive system I would instead have mounted 1/3 sized nacelles off of the same mounting point of the hull but using an invert T mount so that the nacelles are on either side of the secondary but not below
Take off the 3rd nacelle and you have an _Ambassador_ class; IrishTrekkie should have been comparing it to that, not a _Galaxy_
Eh it would be close, but the only thing it shares is the stardrive section. The saucer, neck, pylons and nacelles are different enough from the Ambassador.
I agree. It looks fine without the third nacelle.
The three nacelles dont look a goofy if they were two below and one above. I also like how the top two block the phaser banks so better check your target before you fire haha.
Looks cool! I want to order this one or join the starship club!
I feel like this ship would look better without the nacelle attached to the bottom of the secondary hull... Reminds me of the New Orleans class, just seems to be added to be different from a standard enterprise design. However a cool ship none the less.
Great video. Im not upto this one on reviews yet, but im posting daily so i should be on this one next week.
I have been thinking of buying a second one of these and cutting off the bottom nacelle as I do like this design.
cool, i have like 40 issues, had to stop because the collection was too damn large lol, (also didnt like the join marks) wish they did micro-machine size models, i dont see any reason why they cant do small collections one day... i would kill for that. :D
love the 4 aft phaser emitters on the main hull, especially on the top of the saucer... see you in hell side by side warp nacelles!
This ship is so cool.
Very nice!
I actually like this one. I think it would look better if they dropped the 3rd nacelle and spread the other 2 apart a bit. I prefer the nacelles to be above the Saucer section just like the original TOS Enterprise Our slung underneath like the Reliant. This is one of the few TNG era ships That actually looks quite well balanced. My opinion Voyager and the Enterprise D Look unbalanced as the rear end of the ships looks far too small compared to the front half.
yes please. do a wolf 359 ships video
wolf 359 plz
Would have looked so cool without the third nacelle
So I guess Niagara class starships can't land on a planet's surface like Voyager can then?
Probably no.
Just park the whole ship on the bottom nacelle :D
Not sure why there are no RCS thrusters on the saucer section.... Thank you for another great review Irish Trekkie!
Are docks designed for ships with two nacelles able to be used for a ship with three ? It is not clear whether the interiors of docks (which are certainly elegant pieces of engineering) can be adapted to suit different designs of ship, or whether “one size fits all”.
An advantage with the familiar two-nacelle design is that shots damaging the nacelles are less likely to damage the saucer (and thus, the primary hull) than is the case with this more compact design, which looks more vulnerable than the usual design. A sufficiently powerful bomb could damage both a nacelle and the primary hull, because they are so close together.
Saucer: Galaxy
Neck: Excelsior
Hull: Ambassador
Warp Naccels: Galaxy
Pylons: Constitution Refit/Excelsior mix...
Quite a mixed up ship...
The Kindambassador class
Without the third nacelle it would look like a boring overused one saucer, 2 nacelles, Main section and neck Design.
I HATE HATE HATE the Engine Struts. Just hate them. As for the secondary hull combined with galaxy las like saucer section doesnt work for me either. Its like a mad attempt at building this ship with spare parts. I suppose its operates ok but its just damned ugly UGHHH
As interesting as it seems, the design is so awkward. Unique, for sure, but enough to make me want it? Not so much. Great video as always!
I hope we get this series in SA.
Shave off that third necele and I think it would look pretty neat.
I'd rather the 3rd was mounted dorsally, off the back of the primary hull, like the classic dreadnoughts. I prefer to call three-nacelle ships "triremes"; all dreadnoughts are triremes (save for Section 31's _Vengeance_), but not all triremes are dreadnoughts.
Back Ground ships may not have Lore!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My eyebrows are not raised.
Arrrgh, pain, pain. " I hate this ship" Verdict, let the horta eat it.
Take away the third nacelle and you have a TNG era constitution class
I hate when they do crap like this. It comes off as so hillbilly in its estetic. The silhouette is completely F'd up.Looks like a lamprey stuck on the bottom of a shark whale.
Kitbashing gone wrong!! I mean hate DSC all you want, but fresh design language is a thing!
Pathetic copy of the "All Good Things" future Enterprise which the POINT of the third nacelle was the extra 4 warp speeds, hence warp 13.
IMDARKFIRE007 Uuhh, dude. The original model for this ship, including the third engine, were made about 3 and a half years before "Best of Both Worlds". And number of engines don't matter as much in Star Trek in terms of improving speed. Otherwise, why is the Enterprise D considered superior to say, the 4 engined Constellation class ship "Stargazer", Picard's own preceding command? And that ship appeared 7 years before AGT. Why didn't Voyager's crew just jury-rig like 10 engines onto the ship, instead of constantly looking for shortcuts like Wormholes, Slipstream and Transwarp to get home?
Theres no sense in more than 2 nacelles.
There is otherwise ships with more nacelles wouldn't exist.
Most likely with more nacelles they can Switch between the nacelles. This prevents overheating for example for long Range ships.