Rob's put such a fantastic thing together here and his enthusiasm is really infectious. So gratfeul for the opportunity to check out a brand new museum and I'm glad my footage of the opening day was put to good use!
Can’t wait to visit when I’m back up in Derby! Not taking that ‘nothing to do in Derby’ line lying down. For those that are thinking of visit the museum and want to know more about derby. Derby is an amazing place to visit full of rich history. --For the average person/family;-- Saddler Gate: Cool independent street, with thrift shops, independent street wear shops, vegan food, cool cafes, tattoo parlours, and more. We have a cool fancy shopping centre if that’s your thing, though I’d argue Derby’s charm is in it’s history and old towny feel in a modern city. You need to check out our local bakery called ‘Birds Bakery. Founded in 1919 and still going today with many locations. I recommend the Caramel Doughnut. The Peak District is in Derbyshire and on our door step with… many many many world heritage cites and natural wonders. Bakewell, Buxton, Mam Tor… the list is quite endless. Derby Quad. A cool indy cinema and art gallery in the centre of town. Home of Format Photography Festival which attracts international attentions and visitors. < This is a BIG event : 16th March to - 9th April 2023 is the next one!! The Museum of Making: a brand new £21 million museum dedicated to the civic history and industry of Derby < incredible place to visit. Rivals that of much larger cities. Derby Museum and Art gallery: Including a room dedicated to the works of Joseph Wright, A Nature gallery, The World Cultures gallery, and War museum, there are also contemporary exhibitions throughout the year held in the top floor space. --For the Nerds!-- Yup, Core Design is from here 😎. We have a major road in town called ‘Lara Croft Way’ It’s a great photo op to get a photo next to this sign ;) Lara also has a Hall of Fame Star in the floor, it’s literally on the same street in front of the Derby Computer Museum. Britain first public park ‘The Derby Arboretum’ designed by John Claudius Loudon is located here; about a 10-15 minute walk from the city centre. In 1859 American landscape architect Frederick Law Olmsted visited the park whilst on a research/study trip for his coming design of New York’s Central Park. The Museum of Making: a brand new museum dedicated to the civic history and industry of Derby/shire, home of the world first factory that invented the factory and the factory operational system through the designs of Sir Richard Arkwright. This museum is built in the old Lombe's Mill (Derby silk mill) the first successful silk throwing mill in England and probably the first fully mechanised factory in the world. Derby Museum and Art gallery: is a fresh and insightful museum housing the works of world famous 18th centruty painter, Joseph Wright. Wright, who has works hung in The National Gallery in London and The Louvre in Paris, has an entire collection here in Derby Museum and Art Gallery. Spiritedly known as the “first professional painter to express the spirit of the Industrial Revolution”, for his innovative depictions the possibilities of science and industry. Rolls Royce has a headquarters based here in Derby. Today RR Derby produces high class aero engines for jet planes… and much more, the Derby Factory is where the famed Merlin engine, which powered the likes of the Supermarine Spitfire, Hawker Hurricane, and American P-51 Mustang during the Battle of Britain, was manufactured. They also have a heritage museum which you can visit.
Great video - I hope they have been in touch with Derbyshire Education Dept. as way back in the mid 1980's they produced a lot of Educational Software for the BBC Model B. some of it of local interest ie. 'Derbyshire Runaround' where the children had to plan a route between different towns (which had text instructions & basic line graphics)
Big thanks to Rob for hosting us today and telling his story, here are some useful links: Buy a charity calendar at rmcretro.store/charity-retro-calendar/ You can find out more at www.derbycomputermuseum.co.uk you can subscribe to the Derby Computer Museum TH-cam channel at www.youtube.com/@derbycomputermuseum6503 (Currently 22 subscibers) Also subscibe to CTRL-ALT-Rees at th-cam.com/users/ctrlaltrees Neil
I may be able to help with the retro music side of things. I was in a live band using cubase, MIDI and an atari st and later worked for 5 years in a popular computer music magazine. I would relish revisiting the hardware I used to use and help out at the same time...
It's great to see places like this becoming a reality. Can't say I've ever been to Derby but it's now on the list. Well done to Rob and all involved. Also, that Amiga story was heartwarming.
One heck of a wonderful, nostalgic experience to visit and for me, a great privilege to be asked to contribute to the British Games room (You'll see my original design sketches for Rick Dangerous in the exhibit). Rob is such a lovely guy and it's a real joy to see his dream come to realisation. Worth making the trip if you're a gamer or just want to re-experience typing text into a word processor on a beige PC running an ancient version of Windows on a low resolution CRT (how did we cope?)
Great to see you here Simon, I enjoyed your design notes on the wall (they appear for a moment in the video) and have reached out to you to see if you might be interested in coming to The Cave some day to share your stories. Thanks for the games!
Really enjoyed the video. Would love to visit some day. I really liked the themed rooms. It struck me that an idea for a room could be computers in schools since everyone can relate to that, BBCs, Archimedes, Apple 2, CBM Pet, RM Nimbus. Fantastic job getting it finished.
As an American, this is absolutely wonderful. I love learning about the experiences of others in the retro gaming era. Please, do more if they come up.
This is such a wonderful resource for the Derby area. It's evident that Rob has put a lot of love into the project and I'm glad to see it is gathering pace!
This is such an anamzig museum and what a friendly guy! Would love to visit The Cave and the Derby Computer Museum! Owning one of these museums is like a dream! :D
Lovely video. Hopefully the museum is successful. There is another place to visit in Derby; it has a well-maintained Church of England cathedral which has free entry. When I visited said cathedral the verger was willing to stop preparing the vestments and the altar and chat with me about the cathedral, too.
Love the driving intro at the start! Reminded me of Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge! Top driving passing those slows, Neil - it's a result of all your practice on Turbo Challenge ;-). Been dying to see something about the Derby museum - awesome stuff!
I'm a home health nurse and take care of a patient who has Duchenne's (pronounced Dew-Shens) and he's 21. I've been with him for four years and when I started I was feeding him solid foods and he was using his phone. Now he's being fed PN (peri-nutrition) and can hardly swallow. He's also in and out of the hospital. This disease also only effects men and is a genetic disorder that women carry. I helped him build a gaming PC so he can stream and he uses a quad-stick with his mouth to play games. Before the PC I would sit and go through entire single player franchises that he wanted to see. We went through all five Gears of War games, all three Batman: Arkham games, A Plague Tale: Innocence, the first two Metro games, and a few more. We built some great memories just gaming. That section of this video hit home. It's going to be incredibly sad when he does pass. He sadly doesn't have a loving and caring family. He's on an Indian tribe, and his entire family are drug abusers, and take advantage of him, and it's just us nurses there with him 24/7 and very few family visit him.
The 1040STE I had in the US actually said “4160STE” as the model # on the bottom label. That might be because it was only ever submitted for FCC/UL testing fully populated and not each configuration submitted separately.
Tomb Raider is potentially its own room. There's the level editor that came with TR5, that's been expanded upon over the years by the community (plus OpenLara). There's the cancelled Core Design version of the 10th anniversary game in its playable but unfinished state. There's the recent Myth of El Hawa animated short film, written by Murti Schofield and voiced by Jonell Elliott to give a canonical link between TR Chronicles and Angel of Darkness. Then there's the lesser known stuff like The Times Exclusive Bonus Level, TR1-3 Gold, and sketches for the cancelled TR4 Gold
I love the bit when Rob talks about the Mac SE30 being really expensive... would you believe? An Apple product being really really expensive... some things never change!
I am disappointed that you didn't travel in a Sinclair C5 for the road trip. I shall have to make a trip to the museum myself, though, as I'm fairly close.
It's a nice idea isn't it, like Rob I'd want someone with the technical and musical abilities to set it up and demonstrate it for a space like that to work
@@RMCRetro that Korg Trinity…you can hear some of it’s beautiful patches used in the Sonic Adventure soundtrack! It’s younger Brother, Korg Triton is heard in Sonic Adventure 2 😀 I can’t wait to visit to see it in action and maybe have a go!
Hey! Seeing the repairs that need to be done at museums, have RMC or the Derby museum here considered having a “hardware hospital” section where you - similar to your trash to treasure videos - do workshops on repairs, demoing repairs live and giving tips and advice to people visiting???
We've been asked many times, we're building a lab in 2023 which will become part of the visitor area, and in time maybe we can offer that but it would need a dedicated engineer who can make it work, my own time is already filled with making videos and running the museum.
1:30 Oooh Corporation. Did anyone ever actually send their discs in with a photo to have their face scanned into the game? I remember that being advertised.
I remember us being swamped with discs and photos back at Core - yes a lot of people did - had totally forgotten about that feature. I think everyone at the office at one point helped process the pics...
The white version with round buttons is the Japanese model 2. The original model 1 Japanese version is dark grey with a black front panel and blue buttons. Black ones (model 1 and 2) were standard in the rest of the world outside of Japan.
Nice idea but it does pain me to see the remote chains and brackets screwed into the CRTs. I would have preferred to see them screwed into the desks that are less valuable and collectible
@@samuell.foxton4177 Yes, the Todd in the Shadows One-Hit Wonderland video. "Your Woman" is one of my most favorite 90s one-hit-wonders, so I was happy to see that posted, and I knew it was pretty much guaranteed Jyoti would pop up in the comments there. Seems like a very cool dude.
Boring story but I used to go to Gunnersbury School in the later 80s and early 90s. I used to bypass the bus stop end of our school road as all the idiots would pile up there so the drivers rarely stopped. So I'd walk further down to the Great West Road. The point of the story? That's where the Wang building was. Right on the corner. No 1000 if I remember right. Its long gone now, that section of the road is totally different to how it was back then.
Call me oversensitive snowflake or whatever but I for one didn’t need or want to know that the guy thought the thing up while sitting on the toilet and I stopped watching right after this remark. I find it gross, disgusting and just not funny at all. If that’s really where you’re most creative, just keep this to yourselves, people. Also: no, that’s not where everybody comes up with their best ideas. Maybe change your diet so you won’t have to spend so much time there.
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Such a touching and emotional recollection of the young lad with Duchenne's MD. Amazing art, very inspirational. A strong person,
Remember reading about him a few months ago and teared me up then and it did it again when they brought the story up again
I donated a couple of mainly late 1990s PC things to Rob's museum via a mutual friend. Nice to see the museum getting featured on TH-cam.
Rob's put such a fantastic thing together here and his enthusiasm is really infectious. So gratfeul for the opportunity to check out a brand new museum and I'm glad my footage of the opening day was put to good use!
Can’t wait to visit when I’m back up in Derby!
Not taking that ‘nothing to do in Derby’ line lying down.
For those that are thinking of visit the museum and want to know more about derby.
Derby is an amazing place to visit full of rich history.
--For the average person/family;--
Saddler Gate: Cool independent street, with thrift shops, independent street wear shops, vegan food, cool cafes, tattoo parlours, and more.
We have a cool fancy shopping centre if that’s your thing, though I’d argue Derby’s charm is in it’s history and old towny feel in a modern city.
You need to check out our local bakery called ‘Birds Bakery. Founded in 1919 and still going today with many locations. I recommend the Caramel Doughnut.
The Peak District is in Derbyshire and on our door step with… many many many world heritage cites and natural wonders. Bakewell, Buxton, Mam Tor… the list is quite endless.
Derby Quad. A cool indy cinema and art gallery in the centre of town.
Home of Format Photography Festival which attracts international attentions and visitors. < This is a BIG event : 16th March to - 9th April 2023 is the next one!!
The Museum of Making: a brand new £21 million museum dedicated to the civic history and industry of Derby < incredible place to visit. Rivals that of much larger cities.
Derby Museum and Art gallery: Including a room dedicated to the works of Joseph Wright, A Nature gallery, The World Cultures gallery, and War museum, there are also contemporary exhibitions throughout the year held in the top floor space.
--For the Nerds!--
Yup, Core Design is from here 😎. We have a major road in town called ‘Lara Croft Way’ It’s a great photo op to get a photo next to this sign ;)
Lara also has a Hall of Fame Star in the floor, it’s literally on the same street in front of the Derby Computer Museum.
Britain first public park ‘The Derby Arboretum’ designed by John Claudius Loudon is located here; about a 10-15 minute walk from the city centre. In 1859 American landscape architect Frederick Law Olmsted visited the park whilst on a research/study trip for his coming design of New York’s Central Park.
The Museum of Making: a brand new museum dedicated to the civic history and industry of Derby/shire, home of the world first factory that invented the factory and the factory operational system through the designs of Sir Richard Arkwright. This museum is built in the old Lombe's Mill (Derby silk mill) the first successful silk throwing mill in England and probably the first fully mechanised factory in the world.
Derby Museum and Art gallery: is a fresh and insightful museum housing the works of world famous 18th centruty painter, Joseph Wright. Wright, who has works hung in The National Gallery in London and The Louvre in Paris, has an entire collection here in Derby Museum and Art Gallery. Spiritedly known as the “first professional painter to express the spirit of the Industrial Revolution”, for his innovative depictions the possibilities of science and industry.
Rolls Royce has a headquarters based here in Derby. Today RR Derby produces high class aero engines for jet planes… and much more, the Derby Factory is where the famed Merlin engine, which powered the likes of the Supermarine Spitfire, Hawker Hurricane, and American P-51 Mustang during the Battle of Britain, was manufactured. They also have a heritage museum which you can visit.
Great video - I hope they have been in touch with Derbyshire Education Dept. as way back in the mid 1980's they produced a lot of Educational Software for the BBC Model B. some of it of local interest ie. 'Derbyshire Runaround' where the children had to plan a route between different towns (which had text instructions & basic line graphics)
Big thanks to Rob for hosting us today and telling his story, here are some useful links:
Buy a charity calendar at rmcretro.store/charity-retro-calendar/
You can find out more at www.derbycomputermuseum.co.uk
you can subscribe to the Derby Computer Museum TH-cam channel at www.youtube.com/@derbycomputermuseum6503 (Currently 22 subscibers)
Also subscibe to CTRL-ALT-Rees at th-cam.com/users/ctrlaltrees
Neil
An interesting video, with a nice chap and and an impressive museum. Hopefully it can succeed.
I may be able to help with the retro music side of things. I was in a live band using cubase, MIDI and an atari st and later worked for 5 years in a popular computer music magazine. I would relish revisiting the hardware I used to use and help out at the same time...
Nice! IPX/SPX... halcyon memories... along with Quake using NetBEUI :) respect guys
It's great to see places like this becoming a reality. Can't say I've ever been to Derby but it's now on the list. Well done to Rob and all involved.
Also, that Amiga story was heartwarming.
One heck of a wonderful, nostalgic experience to visit and for me, a great privilege to be asked to contribute to the British Games room (You'll see my original design sketches for Rick Dangerous in the exhibit). Rob is such a lovely guy and it's a real joy to see his dream come to realisation. Worth making the trip if you're a gamer or just want to re-experience typing text into a word processor on a beige PC running an ancient version of Windows on a low resolution CRT (how did we cope?)
Great to see you here Simon, I enjoyed your design notes on the wall (they appear for a moment in the video) and have reached out to you to see if you might be interested in coming to The Cave some day to share your stories. Thanks for the games!
Really enjoyed the video. Would love to visit some day. I really liked the themed rooms. It struck me that an idea for a room could be computers in schools since everyone can relate to that, BBCs, Archimedes, Apple 2, CBM Pet, RM Nimbus. Fantastic job getting it finished.
As an American, this is absolutely wonderful. I love learning about the experiences of others in the retro gaming era. Please, do more if they come up.
I'm definitely paying a visit to this, only live down the road in Burton
This is such a wonderful resource for the Derby area. It's evident that Rob has put a lot of love into the project and I'm glad to see it is gathering pace!
What a wonderful looking place, and some great stories to boot.
That intro 🤣 I can't wait to visit this place in the new year, it looks awesome.
If I ever find myself in the area, I'll be sure to visit! The museum looks great, thanks Rob and Neil for showing it to us!
This is such an anamzig museum and what a friendly guy! Would love to visit The Cave and the Derby Computer Museum! Owning one of these museums is like a dream! :D
I really love these kinds of community things that retro/vintage hobby creates. Lovely video, thank you all very much.
Great stories and shares guys, very much appreciate all the work in keeping these machines and history of them alive.
What another museum. Might have to invest in a campervan or caravan so I can do an around the country roadtrip visiting the various museums available.
Amazing interview great to see other other than you Neil that’s saving our retro history well done to you all are hero’s ❤️❤️❤️❤️🎅🏻🎅🏻🎅🏻🎅🏻
the Derby museum looks pretty cool, hats off to them
Lovely video. Hopefully the museum is successful. There is another place to visit in Derby; it has a well-maintained Church of England cathedral which has free entry. When I visited said cathedral the verger was willing to stop preparing the vestments and the altar and chat with me about the cathedral, too.
I’m not too far from Derby and used to run the Atari Music Network so can help out with the Cubase side
Rob Watson was awesome, when I interviewed him……Retro Heaven &
Also Great interview :D
Love the driving intro at the start! Reminded me of Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge! Top driving passing those slows, Neil - it's a result of all your practice on Turbo Challenge ;-). Been dying to see something about the Derby museum - awesome stuff!
Cubase MCA crack for the ST. How many house, techno and drum and bass tracks did that power in the 1990s?
10-4pm for £7.50 sounds a bargain. Will definitely visit if I can get up to Derby with someone so we can check it out :)
That's even an understatement! Most other museums are a LOT more expensive.
Great price for going a day out with the family!
This is great. I love how it all started out as one mans idea. Fantastic.
That Roadtrip theme tune.. so cool :)
So had me extra intrigued with the 4160STe. It's my favorite all time machine. There are so many great stories in this though. Its really really cool.
I'm a home health nurse and take care of a patient who has Duchenne's (pronounced Dew-Shens) and he's 21. I've been with him for four years and when I started I was feeding him solid foods and he was using his phone. Now he's being fed PN (peri-nutrition) and can hardly swallow. He's also in and out of the hospital. This disease also only effects men and is a genetic disorder that women carry.
I helped him build a gaming PC so he can stream and he uses a quad-stick with his mouth to play games. Before the PC I would sit and go through entire single player franchises that he wanted to see. We went through all five Gears of War games, all three Batman: Arkham games, A Plague Tale: Innocence, the first two Metro games, and a few more. We built some great memories just gaming. That section of this video hit home. It's going to be incredibly sad when he does pass. He sadly doesn't have a loving and caring family. He's on an Indian tribe, and his entire family are drug abusers, and take advantage of him, and it's just us nurses there with him 24/7 and very few family visit him.
The 1040STE I had in the US actually said “4160STE” as the model # on the bottom label. That might be because it was only ever submitted for FCC/UL testing fully populated and not each configuration submitted separately.
Omg..omg!!! 26:24 KORG TRINITY!!! The synth involved in the making of the Sonic Adventure soundtrack! Nowhere near just a midi keyboard!
that's close enough for a visit! cheers RMC!
Tomb Raider is potentially its own room. There's the level editor that came with TR5, that's been expanded upon over the years by the community (plus OpenLara). There's the cancelled Core Design version of the 10th anniversary game in its playable but unfinished state. There's the recent Myth of El Hawa animated short film, written by Murti Schofield and voiced by Jonell Elliott to give a canonical link between TR Chronicles and Angel of Darkness. Then there's the lesser known stuff like The Times Exclusive Bonus Level, TR1-3 Gold, and sketches for the cancelled TR4 Gold
This is fantastic. I love the themed rooms.
Aww Populous.. the reason I bought my A500 mini.. looks like my next trip down the A52 has a new destination
6:44 PLAY button pushed on the C64 tape? It will definitely leave a mark :(
Excellent! Hopefully a worthy replacement for the Nottingham videogame museum that disappointingly closed recently.
I love the bit when Rob talks about the Mac SE30 being really expensive... would you believe? An Apple product being really really expensive... some things never change!
Close to me! :)
I was looking at the DCM, and then thought DMC, and suddenly realised Run DMC was named after the Deloren Motor car Company - lol -.
I am disappointed that you didn't travel in a Sinclair C5 for the road trip. I shall have to make a trip to the museum myself, though, as I'm fairly close.
The music room is interesting, The Caves not got that 🤣 see albums on the wall like Waiting for Cousteau and Outland Gary Numan 😁
It's a nice idea isn't it, like Rob I'd want someone with the technical and musical abilities to set it up and demonstrate it for a space like that to work
@@RMCRetro that Korg Trinity…you can hear some of it’s beautiful patches used in the Sonic Adventure soundtrack! It’s younger Brother, Korg Triton is heard in Sonic Adventure 2 😀 I can’t wait to visit to see it in action and maybe have a go!
@2:50 he missed the first secret! 😭
Hey! Seeing the repairs that need to be done at museums, have RMC or the Derby museum here considered having a “hardware hospital” section where you - similar to your trash to treasure videos - do workshops on repairs, demoing repairs live and giving tips and advice to people visiting???
We've been asked many times, we're building a lab in 2023 which will become part of the visitor area, and in time maybe we can offer that but it would need a dedicated engineer who can make it work, my own time is already filled with making videos and running the museum.
wow nice to see an original Elonex pc, great video great to see Richards Artwork has been saved as it deserves to be.
Just round corner from me will have to go one day
No one ever visits their local tourist attractions. Actually some do but we all have things near by we take ages to go and see.
@Rob: If you haven't already, swap the 3V battery in the KORG Trinity that feeds the patch RAM...
Will the beautiful sounds it makes disappear when the battery dies?
@@SproutyPottedPlant You'd have to reload all patches from disk every time you switch it on 'cause all the RAM will be wiped when the power is off.
Interesting
4160 badges are on Etsy! cheap as chips.....
1:30 Oooh Corporation. Did anyone ever actually send their discs in with a photo to have their face scanned into the game? I remember that being advertised.
I remember us being swamped with discs and photos back at Core - yes a lot of people did - had totally forgotten about that feature. I think everyone at the office at one point helped process the pics...
Website URL dont work got redirected to a whole different site.
This museum looks like a lot of fun.
Thanks, I forgot the www's I've fixed it now www.derbycomputermuseum.co.uk
The first Japanese Saturn is white with round buttons there's a black version with round buttons too but I'm not sure where that's from
The white version with round buttons is the Japanese model 2. The original model 1 Japanese version is dark grey with a black front panel and blue buttons. Black ones (model 1 and 2) were standard in the rest of the world outside of Japan.
*adds another pin in Google Maps*
Nice idea but it does pain me to see the remote chains and brackets screwed into the CRTs. I would have preferred to see them screwed into the desks that are less valuable and collectible
I don't think the 4160ste was a thing. Someone just made some badges. ;)
I appreciate Rob making an allusion there to Jyoti Mishra, as Derby is why White Town is called that.
He's still about on TH-cam, he was in the comments of a video about "Your Woman" on another channel a couple of weeks ago
@@samuell.foxton4177 Yes, the Todd in the Shadows One-Hit Wonderland video. "Your Woman" is one of my most favorite 90s one-hit-wonders, so I was happy to see that posted, and I knew it was pretty much guaranteed Jyoti would pop up in the comments there. Seems like a very cool dude.
Интересное место, я бы сходил
Now I know where I can get shot of the ISA cards I still have. Too good to throw away but too obsolete to use.
Everybody knows there has never been a bad toilet idea.
No "Prince Of Persia" in the museum 😓😞
Cool video but the audio was little too loud sometimes and too quiet in others.
👍👍👍👍
Question: Do you know the Bakewell Tart? Answer. : Yes, I've met her several times.
A great story about the young Lad who past away and the donation of his Amiga 500 . Thank you may we never forget. ❤🩹
Boring story but I used to go to Gunnersbury School in the later 80s and early 90s. I used to bypass the bus stop end of our school road as all the idiots would pile up there so the drivers rarely stopped. So I'd walk further down to the Great West Road. The point of the story? That's where the Wang building was. Right on the corner. No 1000 if I remember right. Its long gone now, that section of the road is totally different to how it was back then.
Who else came to see Rob's granddad's Wang?
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Call me oversensitive snowflake or whatever but I for one didn’t need or want to know that the guy thought the thing up while sitting on the toilet and I stopped watching right after this remark. I find it gross, disgusting and just not funny at all. If that’s really where you’re most creative, just keep this to yourselves, people. Also: no, that’s not where everybody comes up with their best ideas. Maybe change your diet so you won’t have to spend so much time there.
Where do you come up with your best ideas?
Toilet humour isn’t for everyone
I never spend that long on the toilet to have an idea. Mine comes out like a shell from a field gun.
@@DaveVelociraptor I come up with all my ideas in the bath. Since we now only have a shower I've not had a single idea.
@@wayland7150 Oh I didn't need that image