I actually like Lobo, but......yeah. any argument i'd make for him will be as flimsy as wet cardboard. A lot of why I like him is his portrayal in TAS and his final scene in Justice League. Even then.........there's no real way to salvage his toxic behavior or his lack of restraint.
I'm genuinely confused how DC can do so well with Superman in animation but completely miss the mark in live action. This flick was fantastic and I'm looking forward to the future of this new timeline.
the DC cinematic universe fell when they decide to use the motif unique to batman and the dark knight trilogy and paste it in all of their movie. the moment they decide to stay on a rails and make all of their super hero movie dark and grungy, it was over.
DC animated movies are just for fans, so they hit the marks with a small, specific audience. They're also lower risk, less expensive and they basically get marketed directly to you, someone who understands the characters and has expectations for how they look, feel and behave. Those expectations are catered to in these projects. Big live action movies are expensive, high-risk and have to appeal to as many different people as possible, most of whom have never read a comic book, or at least haven't in years. Big studios don't like taking chances on anything they don't see as immediately acceptable and easily palatable in this sense, especially because anything truly unique and interesting in the theaters rarely makes money. In this regard, we are all responsible, because we show what we're likely to pay to see everytime something "safe" or "reliable" comes out. Superhero movies that are true to the characters we know and love don't sell to the larger target audience, so they give us dumbed-down action movies in plastic costumes that disappoint comics fans and barely sell the others. Even the typical plan of selling toys based on these movies is failing, if the shelves at Target and Walmart are any indicator. Meanwhile, we bitch about them until it spills over into their sphere of influence, and eventually they'll stop paying to see these movies, too. This is a problem in making the niche mainstream. Once a fine thing, now boiled down into something anyone can get into, it becomes as susceptible to market forces as the things to which it was the "alternative".
Parasite’s origin story is THE most terrifying and depressing villain origin I’ve ever seen. Rudy was a man with a family who didn’t deserve what happened to him. He didn’t choose this. He was caught in the crossfire with Lobo and Superman’s fight and he also didn’t choose to kill all those people, the parasite inside him demanded to feed. And when that kid said *”Is daddy gonna be ok?”* I lost it.. And I lost it even more when his daughter saw him and started crying and screaming. Now they’ll grow up and all they’ll remember is that their father turned into a monster and died. *Villain honestly isn’t the right word. He was a victim.*
I do agree, Doomsday was put out WAY too early. We should've had a death of Superman film after Justice League with Doomsday to properly showcase the impact of Superman's death and how powerful Doomsday is.
doomsday is something you should build up to. you wouldn't make a batman movie with bane and clayface if it's the second movie, that's too much too quickly.
Parasite has actually been one of my favorite super,an villains for a bit. Usually when he’s more sympathetic in the comics than just a random ass but I’ve always like his more monstrous designs and his absorbing powers always means theirs a potential for him to contest with superman. This movie might be one of my favorite portrayals yet! Don’t be dissing pre sam rami doc ock, that version was cool but he definitely had some sympathetic traits before hand!
Parasite is the best antagonist for this film, but he really isn't a villain in this story. He is clearly a victim of circumstances. It makes sense for Parasite to be considered the main antagonist rather than the main villain. Lex Luthor is a villain in the film, but he isn't the main villain, and only starts his rivalry with Superman. Lobo can be considered the main villain of the film since he was the catalyst for all of the events of the film, especially Rudy becoming Parasite, but Superman takes Lobo out pretty early in the film with help from Martian Manhunter, and Lobo somewhat tries to help to stop Parasite (I use the word help loosely). Parasite proves to be the perfect antagonist for Superman in this film because he's an enemy Superman can't beat into submission because he can absorb Superman's power. Parasite is also a villain that goes well with the themes of Superman man of tomorrow. The people trust Superman because he looks human, yet fear Parasite because of his monstrous alien appearance, but Parasite is human and Superman is an alien. Superman reveals his alien heritage to humanity, reveals that Parasite is a human, reaches out to Parasite's humanity through the use of his own humanity, and Parasite responds by saving the city at the cost of his own life in spite of Superman trying to help as well. Superman tends to bring out the best in people, which makes Superman man of tomorrow one of the best films to represent who Superman is at his core.
A question movie would be the same as The 2022 Batman though Except we wouldn’t know who the main villain would be, because in the 2022 Batman, the villain is probably Riddler or Ra’s al Ghul
Parasite's got potential to be an A list villain to me. If superman represents the best of what humanity can be then his villains should reflect on the worst of humanity. Instead of making him a sympathetic villain, a backstory of rudy jones whom is a social parasite, who leeches on society makes more sense to me.
I'd always considered Parasite a B-tier Superman villain, mainly because of his appearances in the DC Animated Universe and various other animations. I totally agree that he was excellently handled in Superman: Man of Tomorrow, and I thought it was really good movie too. Not one of the best, but definitely well above average.
Finally, a good Superman solo story. It feels so refreshing to see this side of his identity forefront after Man of Steel (live action), Injustice (Videogame) and even the previous Justice League animated movie focused on anything but his morality
@@s-wo8781 Short answer, yes and no. Long answer. Turns out there is/are Three different villains who use the name "Toy Man" (including who I was referring to. sorry.) Just a quick google showed a LONG history of "toy men" plus one lady.
This film was the man of steel film I wanted, you know a superman who actually likes helping people!! God is refreshing when they get a character actually correct these days and wonder woman 2009 is my fav!!!
@@Rei_Tatekei But did he like it. Did appear to want to save people in Man of Steel. Did he find joy in it? That's what thewackness95 is trying to say.
@@응가바보-j7k So u expect him to have fun while people are dying around him from a massive alien invasion. I prefer a more realistic take on superman that a childs cartoon type movie
I still think Lex Luthor is Superman's "best" villain on paper. He's a better foil. Superman was born with great power but has no means (poor). Lex was born with all the means, but no powers (and he thinks this was a terrible injustice). Lex thinks he's self made and Superman's existence is a threat to the natural order of things (aka capitalism). Superman, while being granted all the powers naturally, has earned his reputation as hero by doing the work and saving people. He's actually a self made hero, even though his powers are gifted. And he sees Lex's existence as a threat because *gestures broadly at Trump's America*. But I'm super interested in this movie. Parasite seems like a way more interesting villain in this story than I've ever seen. Thanks for the recommendation.
It definitely still holds up, that's for sure. And I'm definitely glad that current stories utilize the reasoning you explained as far as why their dynamic works so well as opposed to "the greatest criminal mind of our time" back in the 70's.
Parasite is great. But is he really better than Lex Luthor, Brainiac, General Zod, Darkseid, Mxyzptlk, Mongul and Manchester Black? Honestly Superman's rogues are dope, very underrated compared to Batman and Spider-Man's rogues.
2 years later and we’ve got a new Superman animated series with Parasite as basically the forerunner of Supes’ rogues. Willing to bet someone was inspired by this movie regarding the potential of the character.
The problem with this movie was the way they skipped ahead a few steps for this to be an origin story: Why introduce Kryptonite? Lobo is powerful enough to give Clark "year one" a decent fight. How did Lobo even KNOW Kryptonite would have any effect, since he's shocked by Clark's strength? Why put it in a ring? Why even call it "Kryptonite"? Kryptonite really wasn't needed in the story since Superman found another way. In fact, it would have made for a better story for Clark to have developed a relationship before Rudy became the Parasite so Superman's talk would have had more meaning, especially since Rudy discovered that Clark was Superman. Maybe I missed it, but when did they say Lex was SMART? As far as I could tell, he's a scrupulous rich businessman who uses his money and power to carry out schemes. Why would Clark even seek him out? Lex's a criminal and Superman getting launched into space was silly. Clark knew his powers weren't gone, so why wouldn't he make the same assumption Lex did that they would eventually return? Lex assumes Superman has a "secret identity", but why would he? Lex also assumes the sun is the source of Superman's power, but why would he? Why not assume Superman has a secret space station or spaceship out there that he's trying to reach? Parasite was a tragic character. He wasn't a "villain". However, what would make Lex think that Rudy NEEDS to siphon energy just because he can? They never explained any type of "need" for Rudy to absorb energy, so the whole setup of putting all that energy into the power plant to attract Rudy didn't work for me. Why did Rudy transform into Godzilla? That didn't make ANY sense. Why kill Rudy? Lobo came back. Jonn came back. Superman "came" back. Rudy is capable of absorbing the POWER OF SUPERMAN, but the energy of a power plant kills him??? Parasite can be a decent villain, but he would need to be written as a tragic one due to his abilities. In the comics, Parasite needs to feed in order to survive, much like Morbius over at Marvel. Parasite needs to be written that way, struggling with the morality of killing others just so he can live. Parasite's NOT a dirtbag, which is why he keeps Superman's secret identity. Yet he knows that Superman is a veritable feast Unless they are going to give Rudy the ability to control how much he feeds, stories could investigate how he feeds, while staying off Superman's radar. Basically, Parasite has the same problem as Rogue over at Marvel, so stories need to explore just how much he siphons and just how long he retains, as well as what happens to his victims. Rudy could be the ultimate crook, spy or information trader. The main problem with Superman's villains is the level of power needed to truly challenge him. In his battles, there are few villains out there who can actually hurt or kill Superman. That's why in order to challenge Superman, you need villains that challenge his morals/ principles/ beliefs rather than his powers. That's why Superman has one of the weakest Rogue's galleries. Right now, Superman has epic battles with Brainiac, Mongul, and Darkseid balanced against ridiculous ones with Mxyzptlk, prankster, toyman, Lex, livewire, parasite, metallo. Throw in the occasional "mirror match" with Zod, Bizarro, Eradicator, Ultraman, Cyborg Superman
....Lex Luthor. The overqualified 12th level intellect that overcame the infinite knowledge within the Source Wall and obtained the Anti-Life equation. The guy who invented the cure for cancer for someone only to take it away and give that person cancer again just to prove a point that he can. The guy with photographic memory and replicated the super serum in All Star Superman. The man who after swapping bodies with the Flash was able to display feats and abilities with ease utilizing his newfound powers. The guy who ran a whole fake presidential campaign just to egg Superman to reaching a level of public distrust and skepticism after learning about the Justice Lord and even in other instances where he did manage to frame Superman and have everyone chasing his ass in Public Enemies...and you couldnt infer that he was one of the smartest characters?
Why is no one talking about how FREAKING SAD Rudy’s life and death is.. He didn’t chose this!? He had a loving wife and 2 kids for crying out loud!! *FLIP YOU LOBO FOR CAUSING THIS!!!* 😭😭
I think that Lex Luthor is still Superman's best villain, but I'm also of the opinion that that scene from All-Star Superman is the greatest, most powerful thing Superman has ever done. I think Parasite does become a much more interesting character/villain when you make him a pitiable, Grendel-esque monster and its great to see that Superman wins by empathizing with him and talking him down.
All this, plus Lex as the main antagonist of a Superman ORIGIN story simply doesn't make sense. Superman needs to be adored by the public for Lex to go mad with jealousy and try to kill him.
After watching this reminds me of Batman (90’s animated series) with Mr Freezes origins story equivalent, clayface, and currently kite man in the comics. You can possibly say their is a subset of villains that can be taken out of the “villain of the week” status and given the right light for them to be the best villain/middle ground/ hero I bet you can do a host of videos off villain me that can be in this area
@7:04 I’m sorry, but I hate that scene and I always will. Not just because of how heavy handed but simultaneously shallow the writing of it is over all. Not just because it makes Superman out to be even more of a Mary Sue than he already is. Not just because it stereotypically portrays a teenager who’s into the goth scene as being suicidal. But the way it makes light of the experience of a person succumbing to suicidal ideation with Superman saying a few words and the episode is over has to be the epitome of virtue signaling. And I don’t even like or usually use the term “virtue signal”, but my word, this scene is it. Let’s just forget about the fact that you aren’t going to talk down someone who’s committed to ending their life with 5 seconds of platitudes. There’s simply no care or thought to this scene. It’s just a throwaway scene to make Superman look good with no effort put into earning that praise. Even series and movies that put some effort into tackling the subject of suicide have trouble getting it right, and yet this throwaway scene is supposed to impress me? You put it out there to make the case for Superman as a beacon of morality, but it’s scenes like this that make people not like Superman because it comes across as phony. It panders to people who don’t really care about people experiencing suicidal thoughts, but like the idea of being seen as the hero who can talk them out of it. Sorry for the rant, but it always bothered me that so many Superman fans like fawn over these five panels. Edit: Additionally, I hated the 2009 Wonder Woman animated movie. It just seemed like a feminist Trojan horse. That is, in advertising it presented itself as being this kick ass feminist superhero movie, but if you listen to the message we’re meant to take away from it in some of the big scenes about halfway in and towards the end, the movie comes across as pretty anti-feminist and very pro-benevolent sexism.
Spoilers: While I understand the way we can find Rudy sympathy for what he's going through, I feel like at one point it just kinda loses that angle for me. I understand right after getting his powers he can't control them and starts killing people on accident cause that's just what his body does now. But what I can't look past was when HE BURNED J'ONN ALIVE IN FRONT OF CLARK AND THEN LEFT LIKE IT WAS NOTHING! I know J'onn tricked him using his mind but still, Rudy didn't even hesitate or seem reluctant to kill him. Also, I don't think we ca rack that up to instinct because he was speaking, like in complete sentences throughout that entire fight. So yeah, I wasn't totally convinced to be on his side when we saw him visit his family while using the powers of the person he had just incinerated a couple minutes earlier. Sidenote: I'm not trying to start anything, but am I the only one who though Lois was kind of a dick in this movie? Or at least disturbingly emotionally manipulative.
It is and always will be Lex Luthor being the best villain for Superman. The reason is not because of his backstory or just his villainy, but because of what he represents. Yes Superman is a 100% great and fantastic COMIC book hero, but for a moment, actually put yourself in that world. For a moment, think what it would be like living on that earth with the heros and villains existing. It’s absolutely fantastic. You feel safe, but as humans you will always have that gnawing sense of ‘what would happen if superman went rogue. No man is infallible, so what would happen if he failed. What if there was a force not even superman could stop?’ Lex Luthor is the sum parts of these gnawing emotions and beliefs. What makes Lex the greatest villain to superman is because he has a point. He has a reason even I could agree with and he would gain massive support if he would drop his arrogance. Sadly, the newer written forms of Lex have been missing the mark sadly and made him more ‘i’m evil’ rather then ‘if humanity is to survive, it is to surpass superman’.
The Physical and Mental excellence human supremacist Lex from the Cartoons (90s I think) was the highpoint for Supe's villians for me. But you make a fine case for Parasite being a B villian with a side dash of dramatic villianess.
Okay for what i'm going to say spoiler warning ahead but something i think we should talk about is that they tried to kill parasite and none of it worked it just made him stronger and in the end he sacrificed his own life to save the lives of everyone in the city which in the end shows he fought against his instinct to consume energy and ended up burning himself out to save them so he died himself instead of the monster he could have become.
"I just wanna see the sun again, walk a few steps as a free man before I die. Let me go and I promise no one will hear from me again until they find my body." "I can't do that, but I want to. God help me I want to."
superman's best villain is grey hulk--I MEAN (insert the name of the weird Grey Hulk that killed him in the OG death of superman comic)** **I care so little about Superman villains I'm afraid I cannot be arsed to look him up...Superman has always shined brightest for me in his collaborative relationships as a friend (eg to Batman) or mentor (eg to Shazam)! I'm excited to check out this movie for its new and shiny animation style, as well as to maybe actually care?! about a Superman villain?!
While it's fun to watch Doomsday(the guy your talking about) and superman going at it. He has never been much more than a plot device. Good for pushing the overall story but never meant to be the true focus. Nothing inherently wrong with that. Though superman actually has a lot of villains that rarely gets any screen time my personal favorite is Manchester black because he directly challenges his morals and methods.
Love the move, but can't stand the fact that there are alot of haters outvoicing how good the movie was. They're trying to compare it to Batman v Superman level of bad! It's not even in the same bracket!!!
Yup because the villian defeated by starting to recall his time in the military just makes them great XD Superman : REMEMBER YOUR TIME IN THE MILITARY Parasite : th-cam.com/video/U1mlCPMYtPk/w-d-xo.html
My only issue with the movie was the animation. Art style was fine but the animation seemed...stiff at the best of times and I feel a few more “panels” would have massively helped
please update your patreon to start at $2, you definitely deserve it, and I want to see you grow. An extra $1 wouldn't hurt in my opinion, but is still less than a solid $5 ToT
I didn't care for the movie. I found it boring and the animation was to choppy, not smooth. I appreciate the comic book look though. And the lack of background music was killing me! And people America Godzilla Parasite. Oh well.
No, I didn't say it in my video just to be funny; I truly can't STAND Lobo...
But...Rock'n'Roll?
I bet you're just tickled at the idea of a Lobo movie directed by Michael Bay then. xD
@@ZGMFX28ANuLiberty well I'm screaming on the inside.
I actually like Lobo, but......yeah. any argument i'd make for him will be as flimsy as wet cardboard.
A lot of why I like him is his portrayal in TAS and his final scene in Justice League. Even then.........there's no real way to salvage his toxic behavior or his lack of restraint.
Yeah, I've never seen the appeal of Lobo as a character.
I'm genuinely confused how DC can do so well with Superman in animation but completely miss the mark in live action. This flick was fantastic and I'm looking forward to the future of this new timeline.
One answer: good writers..
The difference is that the animated movies are made by people that understand ans love DC,the movies are made by people wanting to pay their rent.
Different Writers and people in charge of the stories. Since not even all animated movies are created equal
the DC cinematic universe fell when they decide to use the motif unique to batman and the dark knight trilogy and paste it in all of their movie. the moment they decide to stay on a rails and make all of their super hero movie dark and grungy, it was over.
DC animated movies are just for fans, so they hit the marks with a small, specific audience. They're also lower risk, less expensive and they basically get marketed directly to you, someone who understands the characters and has expectations for how they look, feel and behave. Those expectations are catered to in these projects.
Big live action movies are expensive, high-risk and have to appeal to as many different people as possible, most of whom have never read a comic book, or at least haven't in years. Big studios don't like taking chances on anything they don't see as immediately acceptable and easily palatable in this sense, especially because anything truly unique and interesting in the theaters rarely makes money. In this regard, we are all responsible, because we show what we're likely to pay to see everytime something "safe" or "reliable" comes out.
Superhero movies that are true to the characters we know and love don't sell to the larger target audience, so they give us dumbed-down action movies in plastic costumes that disappoint comics fans and barely sell the others. Even the typical plan of selling toys based on these movies is failing, if the shelves at Target and Walmart are any indicator.
Meanwhile, we bitch about them until it spills over into their sphere of influence, and eventually they'll stop paying to see these movies, too. This is a problem in making the niche mainstream. Once a fine thing, now boiled down into something anyone can get into, it becomes as susceptible to market forces as the things to which it was the "alternative".
Parasite’s origin story is THE most terrifying and depressing villain origin I’ve ever seen. Rudy was a man with a family who didn’t deserve what happened to him. He didn’t choose this. He was caught in the crossfire with Lobo and Superman’s fight and he also didn’t choose to kill all those people, the parasite inside him demanded to feed. And when that kid said *”Is daddy gonna be ok?”* I lost it.. And I lost it even more when his daughter saw him and started crying and screaming. Now they’ll grow up and all they’ll remember is that their father turned into a monster and died.
*Villain honestly isn’t the right word. He was a victim.*
I always tough that either parasite or metallo should have been the final villain(with lex pulling the strings) of BvS instead of doomsday
I do agree, Doomsday was put out WAY too early. We should've had a death of Superman film after Justice League with Doomsday to properly showcase the impact of Superman's death and how powerful Doomsday is.
Not only should it have been Metallo but Metallo should’ve been the wheelchair guy
@@TheTrekkie42 what
doomsday is something you should build up to. you wouldn't make a batman movie with bane and clayface if it's the second movie, that's too much too quickly.
Na i think doomsday was the best choice. There doesn’t need to be a build up. I wouldn’t mind doomsday in the first movie tbh
Finally a Superman fan
Parasite has actually been one of my favorite super,an villains for a bit. Usually when he’s more sympathetic in the comics than just a random ass but I’ve always like his more monstrous designs and his absorbing powers always means theirs a potential for him to contest with superman. This movie might be one of my favorite portrayals yet!
Don’t be dissing pre sam rami doc ock, that version was cool but he definitely had some sympathetic traits before hand!
Rudy Jones as Parasite fucking sucks but the first and 3 parasite are pretty good.
Parasite is the best antagonist for this film, but he really isn't a villain in this story. He is clearly a victim of circumstances. It makes sense for Parasite to be considered the main antagonist rather than the main villain. Lex Luthor is a villain in the film, but he isn't the main villain, and only starts his rivalry with Superman. Lobo can be considered the main villain of the film since he was the catalyst for all of the events of the film, especially Rudy becoming Parasite, but Superman takes Lobo out pretty early in the film with help from Martian Manhunter, and Lobo somewhat tries to help to stop Parasite (I use the word help loosely). Parasite proves to be the perfect antagonist for Superman in this film because he's an enemy Superman can't beat into submission because he can absorb Superman's power. Parasite is also a villain that goes well with the themes of Superman man of tomorrow. The people trust Superman because he looks human, yet fear Parasite because of his monstrous alien appearance, but Parasite is human and Superman is an alien. Superman reveals his alien heritage to humanity, reveals that Parasite is a human, reaches out to Parasite's humanity through the use of his own humanity, and Parasite responds by saving the city at the cost of his own life in spite of Superman trying to help as well. Superman tends to bring out the best in people, which makes Superman man of tomorrow one of the best films to represent who Superman is at his core.
I'm still waiting for them to make movies about lesser known characters: Vixen, Question, Zatanna etc. But I wouldn't mind another Wonder Woman movie.
A question movie would be the same as The 2022 Batman though
Except we wouldn’t know who the main villain would be, because in the 2022 Batman, the villain is probably Riddler or Ra’s al Ghul
@@higaiwokeru How would it be the same as an unreleased movie, plus a writer had the creative liberty to write what the fuck ever?
This movie made parasite one of my favorite DC villains.
Parasite's got potential to be an A list villain to me. If superman represents the best of what humanity can be then his villains should reflect on the worst of humanity. Instead of making him a sympathetic villain, a backstory of rudy jones whom is a social parasite, who leeches on society makes more sense to me.
I'd always considered Parasite a B-tier Superman villain, mainly because of his appearances in the DC Animated Universe and various other animations.
I totally agree that he was excellently handled in Superman: Man of Tomorrow, and I thought it was really good movie too. Not one of the best, but definitely well above average.
Finally, a good Superman solo story.
It feels so refreshing to see this side of his identity forefront after Man of Steel (live action), Injustice (Videogame) and even the previous Justice League animated movie focused on anything but his morality
always love this guy basically DC venom so happy he is getting over finally
Underrated Superman villains:
1. Vandal Savage
2. ToyMan
3. Parasite
4. Metallo
5. Volcana
6. LiveWire
7. Anti Monitor
8. Imperiex Prime
No Great Wall of China Vision, (0/10)
This is the Superman we needed
Toy Master might be a good villain that doesn't get alot of attention.
While there have been many interpretations. you can do a lot with him.
I agree. There's a lot you can do with Toy Master
@@Readus101 I 'was' going to also suggest an alternate superman.
But with how many Evil supermen we get, it'd be a hard sell.
In all honesty, if done right, toyman could become Superman's joker.
Is this a different person from Toy Man?
@@s-wo8781 Short answer, yes and no.
Long answer. Turns out there is/are Three different villains who use the name "Toy Man" (including who I was referring to. sorry.)
Just a quick google showed a LONG history of "toy men" plus one lady.
Fun fact about Lobo (the original): Lobo is a parody on violent antiheroes found in fiction.
This film was the man of steel film I wanted, you know a superman who actually likes helping people!! God is refreshing when they get a character actually correct these days and wonder woman 2009 is my fav!!!
He was savin dudes in Man of Steel bruh
@@Rei_Tatekei But did he like it. Did appear to want to save people in Man of Steel. Did he find joy in it? That's what thewackness95 is trying to say.
@@응가바보-j7k So u expect him to have fun while people are dying around him from a massive alien invasion. I prefer a more realistic take on superman that a childs cartoon type movie
I still think Lex Luthor is Superman's "best" villain on paper. He's a better foil. Superman was born with great power but has no means (poor). Lex was born with all the means, but no powers (and he thinks this was a terrible injustice). Lex thinks he's self made and Superman's existence is a threat to the natural order of things (aka capitalism). Superman, while being granted all the powers naturally, has earned his reputation as hero by doing the work and saving people. He's actually a self made hero, even though his powers are gifted. And he sees Lex's existence as a threat because *gestures broadly at Trump's America*.
But I'm super interested in this movie. Parasite seems like a way more interesting villain in this story than I've ever seen. Thanks for the recommendation.
It definitely still holds up, that's for sure. And I'm definitely glad that current stories utilize the reasoning you explained as far as why their dynamic works so well as opposed to "the greatest criminal mind of our time" back in the 70's.
@@Readus101 That's really fair. I'm kinda cutting around some of the versions of Lex I found uninteresting.
Parasite is great. But is he really better than Lex Luthor, Brainiac, General Zod, Darkseid, Mxyzptlk, Mongul and Manchester Black? Honestly Superman's rogues are dope, very underrated compared to Batman and Spider-Man's rogues.
2 years later and we’ve got a new Superman animated series with Parasite as basically the forerunner of Supes’ rogues. Willing to bet someone was inspired by this movie regarding the potential of the character.
The problem with this movie was the way they skipped ahead a few steps for this to be an origin story:
Why introduce Kryptonite? Lobo is powerful enough to give Clark "year one" a decent fight. How did Lobo even KNOW Kryptonite would have any effect, since he's shocked by Clark's strength? Why put it in a ring? Why even call it "Kryptonite"? Kryptonite really wasn't needed in the story since Superman found another way. In fact, it would have made for a better story for Clark to have developed a relationship before Rudy became the Parasite so Superman's talk would have had more meaning, especially since Rudy discovered that Clark was Superman.
Maybe I missed it, but when did they say Lex was SMART? As far as I could tell, he's a scrupulous rich businessman who uses his money and power to carry out schemes. Why would Clark even seek him out? Lex's a criminal and Superman getting launched into space was silly. Clark knew his powers weren't gone, so why wouldn't he make the same assumption Lex did that they would eventually return? Lex assumes Superman has a "secret identity", but why would he? Lex also assumes the sun is the source of Superman's power, but why would he? Why not assume Superman has a secret space station or spaceship out there that he's trying to reach?
Parasite was a tragic character. He wasn't a "villain". However, what would make Lex think that Rudy NEEDS to siphon energy just because he can? They never explained any type of "need" for Rudy to absorb energy, so the whole setup of putting all that energy into the power plant to attract Rudy didn't work for me.
Why did Rudy transform into Godzilla? That didn't make ANY sense. Why kill Rudy? Lobo came back. Jonn came back. Superman "came" back. Rudy is capable of absorbing the POWER OF SUPERMAN, but the energy of a power plant kills him???
Parasite can be a decent villain, but he would need to be written as a tragic one due to his abilities. In the comics, Parasite needs to feed in order to survive, much like Morbius over at Marvel. Parasite needs to be written that way, struggling with the morality of killing others just so he can live. Parasite's NOT a dirtbag, which is why he keeps Superman's secret identity. Yet he knows that Superman is a veritable feast
Unless they are going to give Rudy the ability to control how much he feeds, stories could investigate how he feeds, while staying off Superman's radar. Basically, Parasite has the same problem as Rogue over at Marvel, so stories need to explore just how much he siphons and just how long he retains, as well as what happens to his victims. Rudy could be the ultimate crook, spy or information trader.
The main problem with Superman's villains is the level of power needed to truly challenge him. In his battles, there are few villains out there who can actually hurt or kill Superman. That's why in order to challenge Superman, you need villains that challenge his morals/ principles/ beliefs rather than his powers. That's why Superman has one of the weakest Rogue's galleries. Right now, Superman has epic battles with Brainiac, Mongul, and Darkseid balanced against ridiculous ones with Mxyzptlk, prankster, toyman, Lex, livewire, parasite, metallo. Throw in the occasional "mirror match" with Zod, Bizarro, Eradicator, Ultraman, Cyborg Superman
....Lex Luthor. The overqualified 12th level intellect that overcame the infinite knowledge within the Source Wall and obtained the Anti-Life equation. The guy who invented the cure for cancer for someone only to take it away and give that person cancer again just to prove a point that he can. The guy with photographic memory and replicated the super serum in All Star Superman. The man who after swapping bodies with the Flash was able to display feats and abilities with ease utilizing his newfound powers. The guy who ran a whole fake presidential campaign just to egg Superman to reaching a level of public distrust and skepticism after learning about the Justice Lord and even in other instances where he did manage to frame Superman and have everyone chasing his ass in Public Enemies...and you couldnt infer that he was one of the smartest characters?
I think Parasite is firmly in B category. Good character, a lot of potential, but no a-lister
Is the list only up to A? or to S?
Did not know it came out. Pulling up. I'm finish your video after. Love
This review definitely makes me want to watch this movie.
Why is no one talking about how FREAKING SAD Rudy’s life and death is.. He didn’t chose this!? He had a loving wife and 2 kids for crying out loud!!
*FLIP YOU LOBO FOR CAUSING THIS!!!* 😭😭
I think that Lex Luthor is still Superman's best villain, but I'm also of the opinion that that scene from All-Star Superman is the greatest, most powerful thing Superman has ever done. I think Parasite does become a much more interesting character/villain when you make him a pitiable, Grendel-esque monster and its great to see that Superman wins by empathizing with him and talking him down.
I have been looking for a good Superman story
It feels good
I feel like DC uses batman alittle too much I need a break from Gotham
All this, plus Lex as the main antagonist of a Superman ORIGIN story simply doesn't make sense. Superman needs to be adored by the public for Lex to go mad with jealousy and try to kill him.
I want a live action cosmic horror Superman movie
After watching this reminds me of Batman (90’s animated series) with Mr Freezes origins story equivalent, clayface, and currently kite man in the comics. You can possibly say their is a subset of villains that can be taken out of the “villain of the week” status and given the right light for them to be the best villain/middle ground/ hero I bet you can do a host of videos off villain me that can be in this area
They could easily do what they did to parasite and do it to Metallo but even in a more sympathetic way
I can't wait to see when this franchise expands again. This superman vs darkseid is gonna be awesome. Its like a rematch in a nutshell.
*raises hand*
Gonna have to wait to see the movie for myself, teach, but I'll go in with an open mind. :)
@7:04 I’m sorry, but I hate that scene and I always will. Not just because of how heavy handed but simultaneously shallow the writing of it is over all. Not just because it makes Superman out to be even more of a Mary Sue than he already is. Not just because it stereotypically portrays a teenager who’s into the goth scene as being suicidal. But the way it makes light of the experience of a person succumbing to suicidal ideation with Superman saying a few words and the episode is over has to be the epitome of virtue signaling.
And I don’t even like or usually use the term “virtue signal”, but my word, this scene is it. Let’s just forget about the fact that you aren’t going to talk down someone who’s committed to ending their life with 5 seconds of platitudes. There’s simply no care or thought to this scene. It’s just a throwaway scene to make Superman look good with no effort put into earning that praise.
Even series and movies that put some effort into tackling the subject of suicide have trouble getting it right, and yet this throwaway scene is supposed to impress me? You put it out there to make the case for Superman as a beacon of morality, but it’s scenes like this that make people not like Superman because it comes across as phony. It panders to people who don’t really care about people experiencing suicidal thoughts, but like the idea of being seen as the hero who can talk them out of it. Sorry for the rant, but it always bothered me that so many Superman fans like fawn over these five panels.
Edit: Additionally, I hated the 2009 Wonder Woman animated movie. It just seemed like a feminist Trojan horse. That is, in advertising it presented itself as being this kick ass feminist superhero movie, but if you listen to the message we’re meant to take away from it in some of the big scenes about halfway in and towards the end, the movie comes across as pretty anti-feminist and very pro-benevolent sexism.
I like how it showed suicide squad hell to pay when he said others werent
When said he hates Lobo ,I didn't want to hear other word he had to say.
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While I understand the way we can find Rudy sympathy for what he's going through, I feel like at one point it just kinda loses that angle for me. I understand right after getting his powers he can't control them and starts killing people on accident cause that's just what his body does now. But what I can't look past was when HE BURNED J'ONN ALIVE IN FRONT OF CLARK AND THEN LEFT LIKE IT WAS NOTHING! I know J'onn tricked him using his mind but still, Rudy didn't even hesitate or seem reluctant to kill him. Also, I don't think we ca rack that up to instinct because he was speaking, like in complete sentences throughout that entire fight. So yeah, I wasn't totally convinced to be on his side when we saw him visit his family while using the powers of the person he had just incinerated a couple minutes earlier. Sidenote: I'm not trying to start anything, but am I the only one who though Lois was kind of a dick in this movie? Or at least disturbingly emotionally manipulative.
I'v always had a soft spot Parasite, but the Man of Tomorrow Parasite was grate. Good movie all round.
I haven’t seen any DC animated movies after 2012’s Justice League Doom, what has happened since then?
A lot
I 100% agree that this is the best Superman movie. Period. Superman's The Mask of the Phantasm and 2009 Wonder Woman.
Parasite is one of the very few Earth-based Superman villains that can physically hurt him. I also really like his portrayal in Superman: Earth One 2.
It is and always will be Lex Luthor being the best villain for Superman. The reason is not because of his backstory or just his villainy, but because of what he represents. Yes Superman is a 100% great and fantastic COMIC book hero, but for a moment, actually put yourself in that world. For a moment, think what it would be like living on that earth with the heros and villains existing. It’s absolutely fantastic. You feel safe, but as humans you will always have that gnawing sense of ‘what would happen if superman went rogue. No man is infallible, so what would happen if he failed. What if there was a force not even superman could stop?’
Lex Luthor is the sum parts of these gnawing emotions and beliefs. What makes Lex the greatest villain to superman is because he has a point. He has a reason even I could agree with and he would gain massive support if he would drop his arrogance. Sadly, the newer written forms of Lex have been missing the mark sadly and made him more ‘i’m evil’ rather then ‘if humanity is to survive, it is to surpass superman’.
The Physical and Mental excellence human supremacist Lex from the Cartoons (90s I think) was the highpoint for Supe's villians for me. But you make a fine case for Parasite being a B villian with a side dash of dramatic villianess.
I'm sure someone mentioned it, but there's a green arrow comic that features [arasite, and it's fantastic
Okay for what i'm going to say spoiler warning ahead but something i think we should talk about is that they tried to kill parasite and none of it worked it just made him stronger and in the end he sacrificed his own life to save the lives of everyone in the city which in the end shows he fought against his instinct to consume energy and ended up burning himself out to save them so he died himself instead of the monster he could have become.
"I just wanna see the sun again, walk a few steps as a free man before I die. Let me go and I promise no one will hear from me again until they find my body."
"I can't do that, but I want to. God help me I want to."
What's this quote from, if you don't mind saying?
Dc should use more Superman ‘ villains.
Wasn't gonna buy this movie, but I think I will now :)
superman's best villain is grey hulk--I MEAN (insert the name of the weird Grey Hulk that killed him in the OG death of superman comic)**
**I care so little about Superman villains I'm afraid I cannot be arsed to look him up...Superman has always shined brightest for me in his collaborative relationships as a friend (eg to Batman) or mentor (eg to Shazam)! I'm excited to check out this movie for its new and shiny animation style, as well as to maybe actually care?! about a Superman villain?!
While it's fun to watch Doomsday(the guy your talking about) and superman going at it. He has never been much more than a plot device. Good for pushing the overall story but never meant to be the true focus. Nothing inherently wrong with that.
Though superman actually has a lot of villains that rarely gets any screen time my personal favorite is Manchester black because he directly challenges his morals and methods.
Love the move, but can't stand the fact that there are alot of haters outvoicing how good the movie was. They're trying to compare it to Batman v Superman level of bad! It's not even in the same bracket!!!
Welcome to the under 301 club, how tough are yah?
That just stung because I love HUSH and only to find out that you think he's lame or bad batman villian that's sad to hear for me 😔🥺💔💔
Yup because the villian defeated by starting to recall his time in the military just makes them great XD
Superman : REMEMBER YOUR TIME IN THE MILITARY
Parasite : th-cam.com/video/U1mlCPMYtPk/w-d-xo.html
My only issue with the movie was the animation. Art style was fine but the animation seemed...stiff at the best of times and I feel a few more “panels” would have massively helped
"and then theres batmans hush"?"
Me: Then there's what now?
I like a big daft geek like me. Good man
Finally a Superman fanboy with an entertaining voice. Tired of the socially awkward monotone dudes.
How smart is superman? Is he only book-smart or is there a story that exploits some kind of detective/street kinda intelligence?
Why do you hate Lobo?!
He is annoying
Real douche
Parasites appear lance in this movie is the best let’s be real.
Idk mayeb parasite is the best villian of superman or maybe lex luthor
please update your patreon to start at $2, you definitely deserve it, and I want to see you grow. An extra $1 wouldn't hurt in my opinion, but is still less than a solid $5 ToT
who should play him live action
Yeah I still think Lex Luthor is better but best movie certainly raised him up a notch
I didn't care for the movie. I found it boring and the animation was to choppy, not smooth. I appreciate the comic book look though. And the lack of background music was killing me! And people America Godzilla Parasite. Oh well.
Lobo is the shit bro you lost me with that bs comment