Hi Duade, I have just bought a R5II and watched at least 8 set up videos and I must say your pace and detail is superb. I tried the three button back focus for the first time this morning and it works a charm. It is a bit of gymnastics with the fingers operating this machine but wow, a whole new world is opened. I have been photographing birds - and many other things - for five decades and I would never have imagined in my wildest dreams technology like this. I will be recommending your channel in my Masterclass.
Good day Duade, another awesome video showing people how to set up their new camera. You are simply the best when it comes to teaching and demonstrating to us, how to be the best that we can be when out and about when birding. I don’t know what people will do if you didn’t put out these great video’s. Wishing you and family good health and fortune, so you can deliver to us these outstanding vids to teach us. Even thou I don’t own the Canon R5 ii, watching your video’s just shows how dedicated you are in being a professional to others. All the best Brian
Thanks for another great video Duade. There is an additional level of 'complexity' to the backbutton AF setup that you didn't mention. For both the AF-On and * buttons, when you are assigning, say, AF or AF w/ eye tracking to either of these buttons, the INFO button allows setting details for all AF functions (as you demonstrated when setting up your 3rd back button). All of these 'override' whatever defaults you have set up under the pink AF menu. E.g. this allows you to have different AF areas assigned to each button. (I currently use the 3rd back button for experimenting with eye-control ala Jan Wegener's suggestion) I have pre-capture on a separate Custom button, and have M-Fn button set to cycle among 3 custom modes (quicker than using the Mode button). Basically C1: Birds non flying C2: birds in flight C3: add pre-capture to C2. Love how the R5 ii gives us so many options for setup. Now I'm trying to figure out which button(s) I can use to try out the focus distance preset thing. :) Cheers.
Thanks for speed boost tip, didn't know that. I used method I saw on Fabian Fopp Photography channel and after using it I will never go back to triple back button again. I use triple buttons but I do use my shutter button with AF activated. Remember back button AF was invented way back in the day before Mirrorless when AF systems in camera was way more simple. So people were always having to focus on a spot in a scene and then recompose. Or you would have to compose your shot, then move the focus point in camera to where you needed it. That was impossible to do if your shutter button was auto focusing always. But now when I'm shooting fast action anything with the modern camera's AF systems and tracking we don't have those problems anymore. I now use shutter button to AF with whole area AF activated and then mostly use two different Zones I custom setup the size of. Then I setup my back button AF for "subject to detect" so if subject is to small or backlit say and camera can't see the eye's then it works great for just finding your subject. Then I set up button "Asterisk" for my "Spot" no tracking. Also if your using the shutter button for AF, any other button you assigned to a different AF mode on back of the camera the camera will use that mode and override what AF mode the shutter is using as long keep your finger on the back button. Technically you could setup four different AF modes, three on back and shutter. I setup my three Custom settings for my wildlife settings with C2 and Pre capture activated. Then I setup my camera so when I'm not in one of three Custom settings modes, with traditional back button setup with no AF on shutter for still subjects like landscape or anything with else not moving. If you never tried this method, give it a go sometime you might be surprised. Great video and thanks. Just as little tidbit, one of most famous bird photographers in the world Arthur Morris, still uses his shutter button for AF. Think about it, why hold down two buttons when you can do it with just one.
Thanks for the detailed comment Eric and a lot of valid points and very interesting to hear how you have your camera setup. I will give it a go next time I am in the field and see how I go. Cheers, Duade
Yeah, I made one mistake. I didn’t set my back AF button to subject to detect. I set it to register recall shooting functions. And then went into the info and set it up for animal, whole area AF tracking without eye detect.
Wow great video mate! I personally love the custom modes but I use it to have the camera setup for different genres. Eg c1 is landscape, c2 is portraits (NL), c3 is when I am using flash units. This is really helpful because I select like c1 and I know it’s got things at a good starting point for me. A week later if I am in the studio C3 and everything is ready for that. The custom modes are really powerful. Worth learning if you shoot different genres of photography.
That last incredible picture... Many will say "it's only possible with that camera" I think it's only possible with that camera in Duade Paton's hands! 🙂 So happy for you to have these amazing opportunities!
Great information! I had double back button autofocus set, but the addition of the spot autofocus with no tracking will be helpful to me in wooded areas. All topics well explained as always. Many thanks!
I found with the R5II that if you are a back button AF shooter you can just leave pre-capture enabled all the time. Because pre-capture can only be activated by a 1/2 press of the shutter, you will only have it activated when you decide to half-press the shutter combined with your back button for AF. Anytime you don't want precapture you just shoot how you always would and only press the shutter when actually firing a shot...pre-capture hasn't had time to activate and pre-buffer so you don't get any pre-capture frames. Want precapture? Just half press the shutter while doing AF and you will get you pre-capture frames. The problem I had with the R5II is I like to shoot shutter button AF with the back buttons used in conjunction for alternative AF modes. This actually gives me 4 AF modes ready to go at any time. This presented a problem because pre-capture was always running. I ended up switching back to to being a BBAF shooter (as I always was in the DSLR days) with the R5II as it just made the pre-capture workflow so much easier. What I'd wish to see on future Canon cameras are much larger back buttons. They have kept these buttons just way too small. They remind me of the original A9 buttons. Sony has made an effort to improve their back buttons with every new generation of camera. The A9II was better than the A9, the A1 was better than the A9II and now the A7RV/A9III are better than the A1. Not just improvement in size but also feel and slight changes to the position of the REC/C3 button to make it easier to hit. I hope Canon can start to do similar with future bodies. The R1 is certainly looking better for button size even over the R3 so at least at the top end they are improving.
Thanks Geoff, yes, that is one way to do it for sure, It probably is easier just to leave it enabled and like you say just quickly fully depress the shutter when needed. I think I have a habit now have half depressing due to pre capture so my brain might struggle to switch between the two but well worth trying. I also agree we had bigger back buttons as they are used all the time, Cheers, Duade
Thank you Duade! Your description of the utility of focus preset fit my situation exactly! I have a perch for belted kingfishers and my R5II seemingly loses focus just as the bird approaches and for no apparent reason. Now I have a tool to regain focus quickly! Wonderful information that I had not seen elsewhere and nicely explained - as always!
Another great tutorial, Duade. Thank you so much! I was not aware of the speed boost feature. I have pre-capture set up using the Q button. You have to remove one item then there's room to add pre-capture.
Awesome. Thanks Duade. I just picked up my R5ii this arvo and it hasn't taken a frame yet as the battery charges. Really enjoyed that and thanks for all your work. 🙂
Hi Duade, thanks again for this video. I bought the R5 mkii just over a month ago and hadn’t had much chance to really use it due to foul weather. The shortcuts for the speed boost and the precapture options you described are absolutely brilliant. While I’m away at the moment I’ve been using them both on wildfowl and gulls at a local park and find the whole set up awesome. I bought both my R7 and my R5ii based on both yours and Jan’s reviews, so thank for those. Best wishes for Xmas from Scotland.
I have pre-capture mapped to the quick (Q) menu on the back of my R5 II - it seems faster (to me) than the My Menu. Thank you for the very helpful video!
Had to stop the video half way through to give my brain a rest/time to catch up! Really really helpful for those lucky folk with an R52. I'll bookmark the video for when (fingers crossed) I get an R52 myself - probably won't try to remember the content just now :). Thanks again Duade.
Very nice video!! You're a great teacher, always easy to follow and making things very clear! I followed tips from Syler for setting up my buttons. He was quick with ideas for Eye control; usage. So I use the back button for the speed boost as well, works very nice! Syler proposed in his video on leaving the AF-on on spot without tracking, but I turned my af-on to tracking,now, using your tips, - that seems more logical to me, I missed that... I set and stay for now for the star button on eye focus AND Eye control, without tracking. And I put according to Syler my AF point button on Eye control tracking. That works fine for me. The light dimmer for the upper screen I set to Eye control ON or OFF. But I leave it on mostly, I don't care so much seeing my eye movements...
Having probably lost more hair than I can afford, I "think" I have the settings I want. Many thanks Duade. Some very interesting setup comments from your members too. I plan to try the pre capture permanently on tip for sport. My problem is remembering which back button to use. I'm expecting the speed boost to be really helpful.
Thank you for this video and the button settings. I am really new back into photography and your presentation greatly helped in setting the now 3 button back focus process and the pre-capture. I have pretty much stayed away from this because of the process of turning it on and off - you solved that issue. Thanks again.
Ty Duade. Jan should me how to use the third, button for eye focusing. I’ve used it some. I appreciate you guys continuing to share your programming tips after the initial set up videos. Good stuff. Ty again. Good day!!
Some great ideas and tips here, Duade--I may have to set up that "speedboost" button! Another way to make switching pre-capture easier is to put it in the Quick Control menu, if you haven't reassigned the Q button. I've got that menu set up with everything I often change--drive mode, pre-capture, focus mode, subject to detect, etc. Also, when I'm shooting wildlife these days I generally leave pre-capture enabled all the time. It only buffers those 15 pre-capture frames when you hold the shutter button at half-press, so if you use back-button AF, you can simply bypass pre-capture via an immediate full-press on the shutter button. If you don't give it any half-press time to buffer pre-capture images, it will shoot as if pre-capture was disabled. Hopefully that makes sense!
Thanks for the great video, Duade. I shoot in Fv Mode and I have Pre-capture set up in Custom menu C1 and can rapidly cycle through the various modes using the Multifunction button. I now have the speed boost set up on the depth of field button instead of the 1.6X internal crop.
Another great video mate, thanks. Even though I don't own the R5 I usually get some useful tips for my R7 and this time it was the "start at my menu". I've always set up my own menus on my 7D Mk2 and now the R7 but had no idea that I could set it to start at these menus every time. That saves me lots of messing about scrolling through the menus 😃
Thanks for this! ... I've been a professional nature photographer for over 40 years and setting up the R5 mk2 was overwhelming to me at first (coming from the R5 mark 1) ... just so many really interesting settings you can make. Three days reading your advice and all the other top TH-camrs that I trust like W wings and Jan W., and also rethinking my R5 mark 1settings ... now finally with the your DOF button setting for "speed boost" I can start using the camera secure in my setup choices. Before the "speed boost" button change I found the buffer would crash too soon if shooting 30fps for some actions animals make ... For EX: leaping animals often take over 5 sec air time, large birds like ospreys often jump and readjust in the nest after landing and that takes at least three or 4 seconds blowing up buffer at 30fps. ... now if I can only learn Clog2 and how to really take advantage of it's added range over my old R5 Clog3 I'll get off the computer and out in the field! Whew, long process but what a great setup you can have with this Mark 2! Thanks again...
G'day Duade, Thanks for sharing these tricks mate ! Certainly the speed boost and focus pos recall are 'undocumented' features which make me want to upgrade even more 🙈 Your mirrored Crake is absolutely marvelous, and what a light !
Personally, I would set up spot without tracking to the shutter button so I could use the focus joystick to change what I want to focus on quickly, which you will be unable to do if you use a rear button. Then set up two rear buttons for whatever tracking modes you want. With mirrorless no need to waste the shutter button focusing as well.
Nice one duade, I was blissfully unaware of these additional features which look really useful. I do have triple focus as per your suggestion. Also appreciate your menu tips, very useful! Cheers Bob ex SWP.
Nice video Duade, I love the speed boost tip and will definitely be working it into my work flow. As far as pre-capture goes I also assign it to the my menu page, but the Q menu on the r5ii is customizable so I also assigned there. As far as BBF goes I use highbred-BBF, and I think you would like it. It will give you triple focus while freeing up a button. I do not take focus off the shutter button and set the M-fn button to switch focus modes but I typically leave the camera in spot focus. Doing this allows me to use the main focus with out pressing any buttons. I then assign the Af- on button to whole area eye af. I set the * button to small zone af and the far right button I set to put the camera immediately into bif settings. Right now I have the dof preview button set to use eye control focusing but I haven’t used it and I think I’m going to change that to your speed boost setting. Pressing any of the back buttons over rides the focus being on the shutter.
Great video Duade! Thanks for the comprehensive instructions on setting up the triple back button focus on the R5 Mk2. The upgraded AF + Pre-Capture is probably going to be enough for me to upgrade from my R5. As much as I liked all your great info on the camera I couldn’t take my eyes off that tiny but beefy looking tripod…..do you mind sharing what model that is?
After watching your video, I realized that the R5 also has the feature you mentioned for changing frame rates. I utilized the same front button to make the adjustment. This modification enables the R5 to utilize all frame rates with electronic shutter. The same works with the Canon R3. Thank you for the informative video.
Canon NEEDS to make it so we can toggle pre-capture with a single button. This is basic stuff! Great video Duade, I'll definitely be setting up "speed boost" and focus presetting!
The bird in the reflection shot is beautiful! I always wonder if they see themselves and what they are thinking! I shoot with the R5, financially no R5ii for me. But I still enjoy watching to see what is new. While I love the gear reviews, I also enjoy your general photography teaching, especially in the field. Please keep doing those too! You’ve made me a better photographer, here in the USA, OH. TH-cam is an amazing place. I love your saying and hear you all the time when I’m alone shooting just as the light comes up….”Where else would you want you be!”…..Thank you!!
Thank you. I kind of understood your three button AF setup but admit I’m still confused by the changing capture box for the AF modes. Really need to understand this more and what is changing it so that I know I’m getting what I want to be in focus. Enjoy your videos. Just got my R5 Mark II so I need more time and lesson on understanding it. Up until now I’ve had the original R5 and several Sony bodies like the A1, A7RV, A7CR, A7CII, and A6700. Take care.
G'day Steven, whole area basically uses the entire sensors AF points to find subjects within that. When we use smaller capture boxes it is simply telling the camera to ignore anything outside that box. So less AF points are available. This in theory will narrow down the AF and help it to find the subject within that box. I find with Canon it is pretty good in whole area and I can get annoyed if I have a smaller box and the subject moves outside that box. Cheers, Duade
Favorite part of entire video? That clever little 'mini' tripod underneath your camera. I know it is the base to an iFoot monopod system. I have that same base which I take to the woods with me on some outings. It is small enough to slide into the water bottle pouch on my backpack and can serve as an excellent ground level mount on all kinds of terrain. I have even set it up in a shallow stream with camera and the RF 100-500 lens attached. It is heavy enough to handle a wide variety of tasks yet light enough to carry around all day.
I really wish when an option that does not require holding (for example Return to Focus Preset) is set to a button, you could still set another option for long holding the button (for example Set Focus Preset). That would allow a lot more flexibility without adding buttons to the body.
Dude, My r52 is on vacation but I just changed my DOF button to the instant " H+ " which is pretty sweet on the R1 because it can also be combined with "low speed continuous" which can be set to "1". This effectively allows a single shot user to then have instant button access H+ while the rest of the time it's still a single shot. Not having the r52 in front of me I can't see if it's low speed can be set to "1" but I kind of bet it can. I have my C1-C2-C3 set up for increasing degrees of automation and/or speedy shooting situations but it's now nice to have instant access to H+ while still in a basically slow paced manual set up C1 group.
I have been using triple BBF with the R5 with spot, expand and tracking , and now with the R5II I use the third button for Eye Control and start focus . Eye Control is not perfect but always a lot faster then moving AF points with the joystick. And if it's not accurate enough you can immediately take over with another BBF button. And I disabled that irritating ball...:-)
I set the shutter button to metering only. I also set up triple back buttons. Then I enable the pre- continous shooting. To start the pre capture, I half press the shutter button to engage the pre capture. No fiddling, it will be there as needed in any mode except single shot.
For focus preset, the best would be able to Press-hold a button to set the distance, and just press to recall that distance. That way only one button would be necessary. The R5 do not have many buttons so that would be helpful.
Another great video. Thank you very much! When setting the back button focus on the AF on button, what settings have you got in the INFO detail set section? There are a lot of options there.
Great video and very valuable informations , your reflection image is fantastic, would you mind sharing the lens used and camera settings (ISO, Aperture and shutter speed), for that picture ?
Hey and G'day sir, What will be better for wildlife and small bif's?The Nikon Z8+Z 800mm f6.3 vsZ9+600mm pf vs.Eos R1+Rf 100-500mm+1.4x vs.R5ii+100-500mm+1.4x+70-200mm rf z? Waiting for a clear and definite answer from you! Thanks in advance
@@Duade But for far away subject don't you think the 800mm pf is better?I already have a Fujifilm xh2s(40fps,raw preeshooting, stack sensor, etc)with the xf 150-600mm(225-900)to accompany it.
So, I found the triple back button autofocus interesting and I thought, "is there a way to get that to work on the R6mk2?" Well kind of.... it doesn't have the new feature that Duade describes here but if we follow the same instruction for the first two buttons and for the recall do check AF operation (On), Whole area tracking Servo AF (Off), and Subject to detect (Off) you can get something similar. Have to try it out and see how it works for me. I tend to have Spot with tracking, and Eye AF on dual back button focus
Hi Duade..thank you for your great contents, I always enjoy watching your nice videos... I have one question and please forgive me if it is a silly one as I'm coming from Sony world. How do you change exposure compensation if you use M mode? In sony there is a specific dial to control it. I used the Tv mode that you detailed in another video and I find it good, but what if I want to use M mode?mll
After the 5diii I think I need to get a licence. So different! I have never done a firmware, so maybe you could run through that as well. Excellent instructions here.
Hi Duade, nothing to do with the video although it is always interesting to watch your videos. But as another anniversary comes along could I suggest a new membership perk bird. A Powerful Owl sounds good. I saw my first one a couple of weeks ago. A magnificent bird. Or maybe at least a bird of prey. Cheers.
Félicitations pour vos vidéos, j'avais déjà un R5 depuis 4 ans et depuis le 20 août j'ai ajouté un R5 mark2 dans mon kit photo. Comme je fais beaucoup de photo de sports (hockey) moi j'ai programmé mon bouton de profondeur de champs(DOF) sur le format 1,6 du capteur. Très pratique lorsqu'on est un peu court avec mon RF70-200m en essayant de photographier un joueur de l'autre côté de la patinoire, un seul bouton et Bang, mon objectif deviens un RF112-320mm ! Évidemment, en cropant directement à la prise je passe de 45 à une vingtaine de mégapixel mais en sports le but ultime est pas tant la qualité maximale mais d'avoir LA photo d'action au bon moment crucial ! Je vous avoue que moi aussi depuis le 20 août je découvre de nouveau menu caché ainsi que quelques bogues mais le dernier firmware semble avoir corriger le problème, le plus gros bogue était l'écran qui devenait complètement vert.
Hi Duade, the r7 and r10 got firmware updates recently, the language around the update is slightly vague but they may have addressed the autofocus issue when shooting in bursts, have you by any chance tried this new update? Thanks 😊
Regarding Pre-Caputre, the fastest way is actually setting a custom mode (c1/c2/c3) with pre-capture enabled, and another with the pre-capture disabled, and then set the m-fn function to switch between them. Much faster than the suggested way.
I use my R6 with a 24-240, only I frequently find the focus is hiding on the edge. I have a back button set to spot, but once reset it starts to wander. I obviously need to study the menu to see if I can lock the spot, in effect use it as a DSLR focus point, to reduce frustration. I love the rail shot! Incidentally, if you have two rails close together, does it make them a track!
Duade - Thanks for the thorough review. I have tried to photograph songbirds using the pre-capture on my Z8 (because they are small usually 20 to 30 ft away). It works, but if the Bird moves out of the initial plane of focus from before takeoff, it doesn't seem to be able to keep up, resulting in a blurry image. Not complaining......these Birds move fast and depth of field is shallow at such close distances. Curious how the R5 Mark II does here. Is the improved auto focus on the R5 Mark II able to keep up with small fast birds taking off and quickly moving out of the initial plane of focus? If it offers a significant improvement, to me that would make it worthwhile purchase Thanks Ron
Good day! Focus preset seems to be the same one offered by a lot of L-series lenses. I feel I might prefer the on-lens button, as that can free up camera buttons for other settings. Is there a difference between in-camera version and the version on the lenses? What are your thoughts on lens vs in-body focus preset?
I have pre-shooting enabled in one of the custom modes. I only have M, C1, C2 and C3 enabled in modes. If I am in M and want to go to pre-shoot, i press the mode button and roll with the iso wheel to C1. No need to take my hand off the lens or to remove my eye from the vf. C1 also manual mode.
Thank you for making this very educational video to help us understand this very complex camera!! One problem i am hoping you can help me with if you know is i tried to add the hi-speed button to the back * button for my liking, and while it has been assigned when i press it the H+ symbol doesn't show on my screen and the camera does not shoot in hi speed when im pressing it. Is there something else i need to set up along with the button for it to work ? Thank you in advance!!
I think i answered my own question. I don't think you can switch to Hi+ from Single shot mode. Only if you already in Hi-speed you can switch to H+ How annoying as this doesn't work with my shooting style.
On my Canon R5 it is one of the modes I use the most (FV) and it even allows exposure compensation if the ISO is set to Auto. I don't understand why this mode is not covered!?
i think pretty much every camera has it? Either way according to the manual the r5II definitely has the mode. Even though i dont use it, i 100% agree it's pretty useful especially for cameras with less dials and arguably the other most powerful mode next to manual (with Auto-ISO only, ofc.)
@@jrnmiranda1tbh, I’ve never used FV. R5 shooter, I shoot manual with auto iso and use the back dial to adjust exposure compensation. My viewfinder shows the small histogram. This is very helpful. I’ll have to reread the use of FV.
I have not used pre-capture yet but from reading about it, it only works if the shutter button is half depressed prior to shooting ( fully depressing). If that is the case then why not just fully depress at time of shooting rather than holding at half depress. That way pre-capture work even quicker without the MY Menu being involved
Thanks Duade 👍👍👍 My R5ii is due this week and vlogs like yours will help me get the best out of it for sure.🤩🤩🤩
Congrats Mark, you will love it, have fun out there and thanks for the support. Cheers, Duade
Thank you. At first this camera was overwhelming to set up,but now I have come to appreciate all the options.
Hi Duade, I have just bought a R5II and watched at least 8 set up videos and I must say your pace and detail is superb. I tried the three button back focus for the first time this morning and it works a charm. It is a bit of gymnastics with the fingers operating this machine but wow, a whole new world is opened. I have been photographing birds - and many other things - for five decades and I would never have imagined in my wildest dreams technology like this. I will be recommending your channel in my Masterclass.
Good day Duade, another awesome video showing people how to set up their new camera. You are simply the best when it comes to teaching and demonstrating to us, how to be the best that we can be when out and about when birding. I don’t know what people will do if you didn’t put out these great video’s. Wishing you and family good health and fortune, so you can deliver to us these outstanding vids to teach us. Even thou I don’t own the Canon R5 ii, watching your video’s just shows how dedicated you are in being a professional to others.
All the best Brian
Thanks Brian, I appreciate it, Cheers, Duade
Thanks for another great video Duade. There is an additional level of 'complexity' to the backbutton AF setup that you didn't mention. For both the AF-On and * buttons, when you are assigning, say, AF or AF w/ eye tracking to either of these buttons, the INFO button allows setting details for all AF functions (as you demonstrated when setting up your 3rd back button). All of these 'override' whatever defaults you have set up under the pink AF menu. E.g. this allows you to have different AF areas assigned to each button. (I currently use the 3rd back button for experimenting with eye-control ala Jan Wegener's suggestion)
I have pre-capture on a separate Custom button, and have M-Fn button set to cycle among 3 custom modes (quicker than using the Mode button). Basically C1: Birds non flying C2: birds in flight C3: add pre-capture to C2. Love how the R5 ii gives us so many options for setup.
Now I'm trying to figure out which button(s) I can use to try out the focus distance preset thing. :) Cheers.
Thanks William, good luck with your camera setup. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for speed boost tip, didn't know that. I used method I saw on Fabian Fopp Photography channel and after using it I will never go back to triple back button again. I use triple buttons but I do use my shutter button with AF activated. Remember back button AF was invented way back in the day before Mirrorless when AF systems in camera was way more simple. So people were always having to focus on a spot in a scene and then recompose. Or you would have to compose your shot, then move the focus point in camera to where you needed it. That was impossible to do if your shutter button was auto focusing always. But now when I'm shooting fast action anything with the modern camera's AF systems and tracking we don't have those problems anymore. I now use shutter button to AF with whole area AF activated and then mostly use two different Zones I custom setup the size of. Then I setup my back button AF for "subject to detect" so if subject is to small or backlit say and camera can't see the eye's then it works great for just finding your subject. Then I set up button "Asterisk" for my "Spot" no tracking. Also if your using the shutter button for AF, any other button you assigned to a different AF mode on back of the camera the camera will use that mode and override what AF mode the shutter is using as long keep your finger on the back button. Technically you could setup four different AF modes, three on back and shutter. I setup my three Custom settings for my wildlife settings with C2 and Pre capture activated. Then I setup my camera so when I'm not in one of three Custom settings modes, with traditional back button setup with no AF on shutter for still subjects like landscape or anything with else not moving. If you never tried this method, give it a go sometime you might be surprised. Great video and thanks. Just as little tidbit, one of most famous bird photographers in the world Arthur Morris, still uses his shutter button for AF. Think about it, why hold down two buttons when you can do it with just one.
Thanks for the detailed comment Eric and a lot of valid points and very interesting to hear how you have your camera setup. I will give it a go next time I am in the field and see how I go. Cheers, Duade
Yeah, I made one mistake. I didn’t set my back AF button to subject to detect. I set it to register recall shooting functions. And then went into the info and set it up for animal, whole area AF tracking without eye detect.
Wow great video mate! I personally love the custom modes but I use it to have the camera setup for different genres. Eg c1 is landscape, c2 is portraits (NL), c3 is when I am using flash units. This is really helpful because I select like c1 and I know it’s got things at a good starting point for me. A week later if I am in the studio C3 and everything is ready for that. The custom modes are really powerful. Worth learning if you shoot different genres of photography.
Thanks, yes, very good use for the different types of shooting for sure. Cheers, Duade
That last incredible picture... Many will say "it's only possible with that camera"
I think it's only possible with that camera in Duade Paton's hands! 🙂
So happy for you to have these amazing opportunities!
Thanks, you are too kind, Cheers, Duade
I've been using triple back button for a while. I had it set up on my R5 also. Eye, Spot, Zone. The flexible zone is nice on the Mark ll. Thank Duade.
Great to hear, yes, very handy indeed, Cheers, Duade
Great information! I had double back button autofocus set, but the addition of the spot autofocus with no tracking will be helpful to me in wooded areas. All topics well explained as always. Many thanks!
My pleasure Eric, Cheers, Duade
Ty Duade. I use DOF button for crop mode. Good idea through.
One of the best videos on the Canon R5 II I’ve seen to date…I will consider becoming a member, thank you.
Incredible information 🎉 Thank you for efforts
Very informative video!! ❤❤ Thanks for sharing this.
My pleasure, Cheers, Duade
I found with the R5II that if you are a back button AF shooter you can just leave pre-capture enabled all the time. Because pre-capture can only be activated by a 1/2 press of the shutter, you will only have it activated when you decide to half-press the shutter combined with your back button for AF. Anytime you don't want precapture you just shoot how you always would and only press the shutter when actually firing a shot...pre-capture hasn't had time to activate and pre-buffer so you don't get any pre-capture frames. Want precapture? Just half press the shutter while doing AF and you will get you pre-capture frames.
The problem I had with the R5II is I like to shoot shutter button AF with the back buttons used in conjunction for alternative AF modes. This actually gives me 4 AF modes ready to go at any time. This presented a problem because pre-capture was always running. I ended up switching back to to being a BBAF shooter (as I always was in the DSLR days) with the R5II as it just made the pre-capture workflow so much easier.
What I'd wish to see on future Canon cameras are much larger back buttons. They have kept these buttons just way too small. They remind me of the original A9 buttons. Sony has made an effort to improve their back buttons with every new generation of camera. The A9II was better than the A9, the A1 was better than the A9II and now the A7RV/A9III are better than the A1. Not just improvement in size but also feel and slight changes to the position of the REC/C3 button to make it easier to hit. I hope Canon can start to do similar with future bodies. The R1 is certainly looking better for button size even over the R3 so at least at the top end they are improving.
Thanks Geoff, yes, that is one way to do it for sure, It probably is easier just to leave it enabled and like you say just quickly fully depress the shutter when needed. I think I have a habit now have half depressing due to pre capture so my brain might struggle to switch between the two but well worth trying. I also agree we had bigger back buttons as they are used all the time, Cheers, Duade
Exactly!!! I am still undecided about leaving Precapture on or restoring my fourth focus option.
thanks for this, I finally grabbed my camera and set it up properly
Thank you Duade! Your description of the utility of focus preset fit my situation exactly! I have a perch for belted kingfishers and my R5II seemingly loses focus just as the bird approaches and for no apparent reason. Now I have a tool to regain focus quickly! Wonderful information that I had not seen elsewhere and nicely explained - as always!
Really helpful. Good job, Duade! And thank you.
Another great tutorial, Duade. Thank you so much! I was not aware of the speed boost feature. I have pre-capture set up using the Q button. You have to remove one item then there's room to add pre-capture.
Thanks, great point that I was not aware of, Cheers, Duade
I leave Pre-Capture on and disable it by changing the drive speed to single shot, since Pre-Capture only works with continuous drive mode.
That's interesting
Thank you for the details of the different back button focus options. Now things are clear, or at least clearer!
Thanks for this video! This was the exact triple back button configuration I wanted with the R52! And the speed button is a great bonus. You rock!
Hi Duade many thanks for the heads up with these tips, certainly made life easier and more enjoyable in the field.
I can't save up fast enough, lol. I've got to get my hands on one of these. My R has served it's purpose. I'm ready 😁
Awesome. Thanks Duade. I just picked up my R5ii this arvo and it hasn't taken a frame yet as the battery charges. Really enjoyed that and thanks for all your work. 🙂
Have fun with the camera, Cheers, Duade
Thanks Duade for these helpful insights on the R5 MII.
Hi Duade, thanks again for this video. I bought the R5 mkii just over a month ago and hadn’t had much chance to really use it due to foul weather. The shortcuts for the speed boost and the precapture options you described are absolutely brilliant. While I’m away at the moment I’ve been using them both on wildfowl and gulls at a local park and find the whole set up awesome. I bought both my R7 and my R5ii based on both yours and Jan’s reviews, so thank for those. Best wishes for Xmas from Scotland.
Thanks for the feedback, great to hear and I am glad you are enjoying the R5II, Cheers, Duade
I have pre-capture mapped to the quick (Q) menu on the back of my R5 II - it seems faster (to me) than the My Menu. Thank you for the very helpful video!
Thanks Jeff, yes, I was not aware of this but seems much faster, Cheers, Duade
Had to stop the video half way through to give my brain a rest/time to catch up! Really really helpful for those lucky folk with an R52. I'll bookmark the video for when (fingers crossed) I get an R52 myself - probably won't try to remember the content just now :). Thanks again Duade.
Thanks John, yes a lot tp try to understand but hopefully will be a good resource in the future. Cheers, Duade
Your reflection shot is great Duade !
Very nice video!! You're a great teacher, always easy to follow and making things very clear!
I followed tips from Syler for setting up my buttons. He was quick with ideas for Eye control; usage.
So I use the back button for the speed boost as well, works very nice!
Syler proposed in his video on leaving the AF-on on spot without tracking, but I turned my af-on to tracking,now, using your tips, - that seems more logical to me, I missed that...
I set and stay for now for the star button on eye focus AND Eye control, without tracking.
And I put according to Syler my AF point button on Eye control tracking. That works fine for me. The light dimmer for the upper screen I set to Eye control ON or OFF. But I leave it on mostly, I don't care so much seeing my eye movements...
Thanks for sharing, good to hear you have found a system that works, Cheers, Duade
Having probably lost more hair than I can afford, I "think" I have the settings I want. Many thanks Duade. Some very interesting setup comments from your members too. I plan to try the pre capture permanently on tip for sport. My problem is remembering which back button to use. I'm expecting the speed boost to be really helpful.
Great to hear mate, Cheers, Duade
Thank you for this video and the button settings. I am really new back into photography and your presentation greatly helped in setting the now 3 button back focus process and the pre-capture. I have pretty much stayed away from this because of the process of turning it on and off - you solved that issue. Thanks again.
Great Video - Just what I needed at this moment. Thank you so much....
Ty Duade. Jan should me how to use the third, button for eye focusing. I’ve used it some.
I appreciate you guys continuing to share your programming tips after the initial set up videos. Good stuff. Ty again. Good day!!
Excellent advice Duade!
Some great ideas and tips here, Duade--I may have to set up that "speedboost" button!
Another way to make switching pre-capture easier is to put it in the Quick Control menu, if you haven't reassigned the Q button. I've got that menu set up with everything I often change--drive mode, pre-capture, focus mode, subject to detect, etc.
Also, when I'm shooting wildlife these days I generally leave pre-capture enabled all the time. It only buffers those 15 pre-capture frames when you hold the shutter button at half-press, so if you use back-button AF, you can simply bypass pre-capture via an immediate full-press on the shutter button. If you don't give it any half-press time to buffer pre-capture images, it will shoot as if pre-capture was disabled. Hopefully that makes sense!
Agree, Q menu is pretty fast, I just moved the placement of the icon as well for faster operation.
Fantastic image Duade.
Thanks mate, Cheers, Duade
Backlit bee on Grass Tree... Stunning. Great pre-capture example too. Wow... that snake. 'Love your work', Duade.
Thanks Joan, yes, I enjoyed that shot for sure, Cheers, Duade
Thanks for the great video, Duade. I shoot in Fv Mode and I have Pre-capture set up in Custom menu C1 and can rapidly cycle through the various modes using the Multifunction button. I now have the speed boost set up on the depth of field button instead of the 1.6X internal crop.
good stuff thanks for the great video
I will definitely find the speed boost and pre-capture on/off features useful. Thanks!
Another great video mate, thanks. Even though I don't own the R5 I usually get some useful tips for my R7 and this time it was the "start at my menu". I've always set up my own menus on my 7D Mk2 and now the R7 but had no idea that I could set it to start at these menus every time. That saves me lots of messing about scrolling through the menus 😃
I’ll try your my menu suggestions for precapture. Ty!
These new focusing customizations are insanely useful !! Will definitely update to the new firmware asap
Thanks for this! ... I've been a professional nature photographer for over 40 years and setting up the R5 mk2 was overwhelming to me at first (coming from the R5 mark 1) ... just so many really interesting settings you can make. Three days reading your advice and all the other top TH-camrs that I trust like W wings and Jan W., and also rethinking my R5 mark 1settings ... now finally with the your DOF button setting for "speed boost" I can start using the camera secure in my setup choices. Before the "speed boost" button change I found the buffer would crash too soon if shooting 30fps for some actions animals make ... For EX: leaping animals often take over 5 sec air time, large birds like ospreys often jump and readjust in the nest after landing and that takes at least three or 4 seconds blowing up buffer at 30fps. ... now if I can only learn Clog2 and how to really take advantage of it's added range over my old R5 Clog3 I'll get off the computer and out in the field! Whew, long process but what a great setup you can have with this Mark 2! Thanks again...
Thanks for the feedback and glad to hear you have the camera setup how you like. Cheers, Duade
G'day Duade, Thanks for sharing these tricks mate ! Certainly the speed boost and focus pos recall are 'undocumented' features which make me want to upgrade even more 🙈
Your mirrored Crake is absolutely marvelous, and what a light !
Thanks Werner, I appreciate it, Cheers, Duade
Personally, I would set up spot without tracking to the shutter button so I could use the focus joystick to change what I want to focus on quickly, which you will be unable to do if you use a rear button. Then set up two rear buttons for whatever tracking modes you want. With mirrorless no need to waste the shutter button focusing as well.
Great episode, Duade!
A well explained video, how do you get to show frame rate in viewfinder?
Nice one duade, I was blissfully unaware of these additional features which look really useful. I do have triple focus as per your suggestion. Also appreciate your menu tips, very useful! Cheers Bob ex SWP.
Super helpful tips for the Canon R5 II. I wish the Nikon Z bodies had triple back buttons.
Great video! Have you incorporated eye control autofocus into your TBB focus setup? If so, how?
Nice video Duade, I love the speed boost tip and will definitely be working it into my work flow. As far as pre-capture goes I also assign it to the my menu page, but the Q menu on the r5ii is customizable so I also assigned there.
As far as BBF goes I use highbred-BBF, and I think you would like it. It will give you triple focus while freeing up a button.
I do not take focus off the shutter button and set the M-fn button to switch focus modes but I typically leave the camera in spot focus. Doing this allows me to use the main focus with out pressing any buttons. I then assign the Af- on button to whole area eye af. I set the * button to small zone af and the far right button I set to put the camera immediately into bif settings. Right now I have the dof preview button set to use eye control focusing but I haven’t used it and I think I’m going to change that to your speed boost setting. Pressing any of the back buttons over rides the focus being on the shutter.
Great video Duade! Thanks for the comprehensive instructions on setting up the triple back button focus on the R5 Mk2. The upgraded AF + Pre-Capture is probably going to be enough for me to upgrade from my R5.
As much as I liked all your great info on the camera I couldn’t take my eyes off that tiny but beefy looking tripod…..do you mind sharing what model that is?
After watching your video, I realized that the R5 also has the feature you mentioned for changing frame rates. I utilized the same front button to make the adjustment. This modification enables the R5 to utilize all frame rates with electronic shutter. The same works with the Canon R3. Thank you for the informative video.
Canon NEEDS to make it so we can toggle pre-capture with a single button. This is basic stuff! Great video Duade, I'll definitely be setting up "speed boost" and focus presetting!
The bird in the reflection shot is beautiful! I always wonder if they see themselves and what they are thinking! I shoot with the R5, financially no R5ii for me. But I still enjoy watching to see what is new. While I love the gear reviews, I also enjoy your general photography teaching, especially in the field. Please keep doing those too! You’ve made me a better photographer, here in the USA, OH. TH-cam is an amazing place. I love your saying and hear you all the time when I’m alone shooting just as the light comes up….”Where else would you want you be!”…..Thank you!!
Thank you. I kind of understood your three button AF setup but admit I’m still confused by the changing capture box for the AF modes. Really need to understand this more and what is changing it so that I know I’m getting what I want to be in focus. Enjoy your videos. Just got my R5 Mark II so I need more time and lesson on understanding it. Up until now I’ve had the original R5 and several Sony bodies like the A1, A7RV, A7CR, A7CII, and A6700. Take care.
G'day Steven, whole area basically uses the entire sensors AF points to find subjects within that. When we use smaller capture boxes it is simply telling the camera to ignore anything outside that box. So less AF points are available.
This in theory will narrow down the AF and help it to find the subject within that box. I find with Canon it is pretty good in whole area and I can get annoyed if I have a smaller box and the subject moves outside that box.
Cheers, Duade
Very useful tips. Thx a lot !
6:55 that bee photo Is magical
Favorite part of entire video? That clever little 'mini' tripod underneath your camera. I know it is the base to an iFoot monopod system. I have that same base which I take to the woods with me on some outings. It is small enough to slide into the water bottle pouch on my backpack and can serve as an excellent ground level mount on all kinds of terrain. I have even set it up in a shallow stream with camera and the RF 100-500 lens attached. It is heavy enough to handle a wide variety of tasks yet light enough to carry around all day.
Thanks, yes, it is a lovely little tripod that actually hold a lot of weight so it is very handy. Cheers, DUade
wow!
Looks amazing for f9...
I really wish when an option that does not require holding (for example Return to Focus Preset) is set to a button, you could still set another option for long holding the button (for example Set Focus Preset). That would allow a lot more flexibility without adding buttons to the body.
Dude, My r52 is on vacation but I just changed my DOF button to the instant " H+ " which is pretty sweet on the R1 because it can also be combined with "low speed continuous" which can be set to "1". This effectively allows a single shot user to then have instant button access H+ while the rest of the time it's still a single shot.
Not having the r52 in front of me I can't see if it's low speed can be set to "1" but I kind of bet it can. I have my C1-C2-C3 set up for increasing degrees of automation and/or speedy shooting situations but it's now nice to have instant access to H+ while still in a basically slow paced manual set up C1 group.
Fantastic video!
Speed boost button is awesome! Some cool tips but now you need more buttons lol
Canon R7ii with a stacked sensor, bg accessory and latest spec bumps
great insight
I have been using triple BBF with the R5 with spot, expand and tracking , and now with the R5II I use the third button for Eye Control and start focus . Eye Control is not perfect but always a lot faster then moving AF points with the joystick. And if it's not accurate enough you can immediately take over with another BBF button. And I disabled that irritating ball...:-)
I set the shutter button to metering only. I also set up triple back buttons. Then I enable the pre- continous shooting. To start the pre capture, I half press the shutter button to engage the pre capture. No fiddling, it will be there as needed in any mode except single shot.
For focus preset, the best would be able to Press-hold a button to set the distance, and just press to recall that distance. That way only one button would be necessary. The R5 do not have many buttons so that would be helpful.
So helpful!!!
Great tips mate!
Another great video. Thank you very much! When setting the back button focus on the AF on button, what settings have you got in the INFO detail set section? There are a lot of options there.
Great video !!! Does the Rf 600 f4 uses all two autofocus motors with the new battery ?
I actually figured out the speed boost when I got it when it first came out. Just custom button and held. 😁
You can put pre capture in the quick menu and it allows it to a button in video mode. Having it those two ways it quicker than my menu
I have been using three back button focus on my old R5 for several months now
Great video and very valuable informations , your reflection image is fantastic, would you mind sharing the lens used and camera settings (ISO, Aperture and shutter speed), for that picture ?
Hey and G'day sir,
What will be better for wildlife and small bif's?The Nikon Z8+Z 800mm f6.3 vsZ9+600mm pf vs.Eos R1+Rf 100-500mm+1.4x vs.R5ii+100-500mm+1.4x+70-200mm rf z?
Waiting for a clear and definite answer from you!
Thanks in advance
The Nikon 600pf is the best lens for BIF on that list. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade But for far away subject don't you think the 800mm pf is better?I already have a Fujifilm xh2s(40fps,raw preeshooting, stack sensor, etc)with the xf 150-600mm(225-900)to accompany it.
So, I found the triple back button autofocus interesting and I thought, "is there a way to get that to work on the R6mk2?" Well kind of.... it doesn't have the new feature that Duade describes here but if we follow the same instruction for the first two buttons and for the recall do check AF operation (On), Whole area tracking Servo AF (Off), and Subject to detect (Off) you can get something similar. Have to try it out and see how it works for me.
I tend to have Spot with tracking, and Eye AF on dual back button focus
Hi Duade..thank you for your great contents, I always enjoy watching your nice videos...
I have one question and please forgive me if it is a silly one as I'm coming from Sony world. How do you change exposure compensation if you use M mode? In sony there is a specific dial to control it. I used the Tv mode that you detailed in another video and I find it good, but what if I want to use M mode?mll
After the 5diii I think I need to get a licence. So different! I have never done a firmware, so maybe you could run through that as well. Excellent instructions here.
Hi Duade, nothing to do with the video although it is always interesting to watch your videos. But as another anniversary comes along could I suggest a new membership perk bird. A Powerful Owl sounds good. I saw my first one a couple of weeks ago. A magnificent bird. Or maybe at least a bird of prey. Cheers.
Thanks mate, good point, I need a new bird for sure, Cheers, Duade
Can you please share a link for the tripod you’re using in the video? The one the camera is attached.
Félicitations pour vos vidéos, j'avais déjà un R5 depuis 4 ans et depuis le 20 août j'ai ajouté un R5 mark2 dans mon kit photo. Comme je fais beaucoup de photo de sports (hockey) moi j'ai programmé mon bouton de profondeur de champs(DOF) sur le format 1,6 du capteur. Très pratique lorsqu'on est un peu court avec mon RF70-200m en essayant de photographier un joueur de l'autre côté de la patinoire, un seul bouton et Bang, mon objectif deviens un RF112-320mm ! Évidemment, en cropant directement à la prise je passe de 45 à une vingtaine de mégapixel mais en sports le but ultime est pas tant la qualité maximale mais d'avoir LA photo d'action au bon moment crucial ! Je vous avoue que moi aussi depuis le 20 août je découvre de nouveau menu caché ainsi que quelques bogues mais le dernier firmware semble avoir corriger le problème, le plus gros bogue était l'écran qui devenait complètement vert.
Hi Duade, the r7 and r10 got firmware updates recently, the language around the update is slightly vague but they may have addressed the autofocus issue when shooting in bursts, have you by any chance tried this new update? Thanks 😊
What issue was that?
@@davidstone8723 it would lose focus so half the shots in burst would be blurry
Regarding Pre-Caputre, the fastest way is actually setting a custom mode (c1/c2/c3) with pre-capture enabled, and another with the pre-capture disabled, and then set the m-fn function to switch between them. Much faster than the suggested way.
I use my R6 with a 24-240, only I frequently find the focus is hiding on the edge. I have a back button set to spot, but once reset it starts to wander. I obviously need to study the menu to see if I can lock the spot, in effect use it as a DSLR focus point, to reduce frustration. I love the rail shot! Incidentally, if you have two rails close together, does it make them a track!
Duade - Thanks for the thorough review.
I have tried to photograph songbirds using the pre-capture on my Z8 (because they are small usually 20 to 30 ft away). It works, but if the Bird moves out of the initial plane of focus from before takeoff, it doesn't seem to be able to keep up, resulting in a blurry image. Not complaining......these Birds move fast and depth of field is shallow at such close distances. Curious how the R5 Mark II does here. Is the improved auto focus on the R5 Mark II able to keep up with small fast birds taking off and quickly moving out of the initial plane of focus? If it offers a significant improvement, to me that would make it worthwhile purchase
Thanks Ron
Good day! Focus preset seems to be the same one offered by a lot of L-series lenses. I feel I might prefer the on-lens button, as that can free up camera buttons for other settings. Is there a difference between in-camera version and the version on the lenses? What are your thoughts on lens vs in-body focus preset?
I have pre-shooting enabled in one of the custom modes. I only have M, C1, C2 and C3 enabled in modes. If I am in M and want to go to pre-shoot, i press the mode button and roll with the iso wheel to C1. No need to take my hand off the lens or to remove my eye from the vf. C1 also manual mode.
Thanks for the useful video! But I'll wait with my old R5 until Mark iii, maybe) The update is ambiguously better than the current model on all counts
Unless you need the video upgrades
@@StoicJason I think you're right. But I'm still learning how to shoot video and mastering DaVinci Resolve. So I have time)))
Thank you for making this very educational video to help us understand this very complex camera!! One problem i am hoping you can help me with if you know is i tried to add the hi-speed button to the back * button for my liking, and while it has been assigned when i press it the H+ symbol doesn't show on my screen and the camera does not shoot in hi speed when im pressing it. Is there something else i need to set up along with the button for it to work ? Thank you in advance!!
I think i answered my own question. I don't think you can switch to Hi+ from Single shot mode. Only if you already in Hi-speed you can switch to H+ How annoying as this doesn't work with my shooting style.
Can the FV mode be used on the R5 Mkii as on the Canon R7? Because it is very useful. Thank you!
On my Canon R5 it is one of the modes I use the most (FV) and it even allows exposure compensation if the ISO is set to Auto. I don't understand why this mode is not covered!?
@@jrnmiranda1 Maybe Duade will answer us. It is a very useful mod
i think pretty much every camera has it? Either way according to the manual the r5II definitely has the mode. Even though i dont use it, i 100% agree it's pretty useful especially for cameras with less dials and arguably the other most powerful mode next to manual (with Auto-ISO only, ofc.)
@@jrnmiranda1tbh, I’ve never used FV. R5 shooter, I shoot manual with auto iso and use the back dial to adjust exposure compensation. My viewfinder shows the small histogram. This is very helpful. I’ll have to reread the use of FV.
I have not used pre-capture yet but from reading about it, it only works if the shutter button is half depressed prior to shooting ( fully depressing). If that is the case then why not just fully depress at time of shooting rather than holding at half depress. That way pre-capture work even quicker without the MY Menu being involved
Could the Register/Recall feature be programed to activate pre capture?
Duade, how is R5II performance with EF glasses? Especially your EF500F4ii. Thanks for wonderful insights as always.
It worked well, that lens is very nice that is for sure, Cheers, Duade
@@Duade thanks a lot!!!
@@Duade thanks a lot!!!
I have pre-shoot on the third button, and AF select on the lens ring.
A third option for managing pre capture is to simply leave it on and only half press the shutter when you want to use it