Steve and Jeff - Another great show as always. A couple of points to clarify: Re: Eye Control: I never used to move my focus point. In fast-moving environments, I prefer to lock it in one spot (usually center-horizontal, about 1/3 down vertically). With multiple people in the frame, I find it quicker to point the camera so the locked focus is on the person I want. Using back button focus, I press the AF-on button to start focusing and can move around freely while the camera keeps that person in focus as long as I’m holding the button. Now, with eye control on the R52 (and R1), I no longer need to move the camera physically. I simply look at the person I want to focus on and press AF-on. This probably saves me a second or two, letting me start shooting faster - crucial in action photography, where timing can make or break a shot. As for People Priority: It doesn’t jump away from the person I’m locked on to focus on the registered person (Luke Combs, in my case). However, during the initial acquisition (before pressing AF-on), it will prioritize the registered person over the one I’m looking at. Note that registered person detection needs a clear frontal view. Hats or glasses can reduce accuracy if only the face was registered. I keep it on during Luke’s shows but still rely on eye control to focus on the person I want.
I’ve found the R3’s eye control to be good so long as I recalibrate with every unique environment I’m in (different lighting conditions). I use it to get the point there quickly and then let back button subject/eye detection take over. I have my eye control set to the first button on the right and I can toggle it on and off.
What a great show with the amazing photos of Jeff Cable. Thank you for that. About the pre-capture, I can say for me as an Olympus photographer this is a lifesaver sometimes. Can't believe these are the first Canon cameras with this feature. I use it for at least 4-5 years now. Hope Canon will make a firmware update to allow you to adjust the time of the pre-capture and the frames you want to record. Sometimes you need 5, other times maybe you will want more. I think in general both cameras are great, I was thinking about the R5 Mark II as a hybrid camera, but it will be way too expensive for the whole ecosystem with a couple of lenses to cover the focal lengths I'm using now.
Thanks for watching! And yes, pre capture has been around a long time, and I’ve wondered if Canon would ever implement it. Glad they did. It would help me a lot. If I were to guess they won’t add more options to it via firmware. Just doesn’t feel like something Canon would do. That said, they’ve surprised me a few times this year. lol.
Great show, great interview. I went to Costa Rica with Jeff last year. He shot my proposal to my fiance off the cuff because I didn't have a plan. He did great, the pics turned out great and he even got shots of the ring on a frogs head. It was a great trip and I consider Jeff a good friend now.
Steve, wonderful you are covering these topics with such a great guest. I remember a show you had with Rudy Winston where you talked about how the AF system worked. It was an in depth look and so revealing. Suddenly, everything was clear how it worked and why it was there. While Rudy isn't any longer associated with Canon (oh my, what a loss....) maybe you can find someone to redo this AF video for the R5 Mark II? Or do it on your own? Me thinks that the AF settings got a tad bit more complicated with this "whole area" and eye control stuff compared to the Mark Ones. Thank you!
The R5 II is a worthy upgrade to the R5 for me. I setup a one touch acess to pre-capture with 30 frames/sec by putting it on C1 and assiging the M-Fn button to "Switch to Custom shooting mode". Whenever I needed pre-capture, just press the M-Fn button once, It will instantly goes to C1 (pre-capture with 30frames/sec). When I don't need it, just press the M-Fn button to go back to manual mode. No need to go into the menu. Work very well. Cheers.
Wonderful interview, Steve. Absolutely love to listen to Jeff Cable’s thoughts on Canon equipment, from a Professional Photographer who has extensive experience with the Canon product line. Your questions posed to Jeff were helpful in understanding current features on the R1 & R5II. You have a great voice that is worthy of a radio/video talk show host, which you do so well. Best wishes & safe travels to both of you.😊
This is great, thank you for the details. I saw the Alaska Trip and Jeff is doing and asked if I could go mostly based upon his reputation and hearing him speak about photography
Great vid Steve. I'm a rank amateur compared with Jeff, but after coming from a 5D iv to R5 to R5 Mk ii that I use largely for sports (motor racing and small boat sailing regattas), can totally back up his comments on the improvement in autofocus.. especially the sailing where I'm trying to focus on the crews of the boats.. 90%+ keeper rate at first regatta shoot using auto AF setting... feel like I'm cheating!
Hi Steve, I feel fortunate to have ordered the R5 Mark II on the day of Canon's presentation at B&H and received it on the 20th - I'm thoroughly enjoying it!
@@BehindTheShot I upgraded from the R5 and had two to trade in, but the offer from B&H was disappointing. I'll decide what to do with them later. Initially, I wanted to buy the Mark II and R1 with the trade-in, but I see the R1 as an enhanced version of the R3.
@@BehindTheShot Exactly! But I tell you the R5M2 is exceptionally amazing, I'm fascinated by the "Eye control feature," in which I discovered the most effective way to calibrate it, customizing buttons for shooting, among many other wonderful features, in fact now that I've discovered almost 100% of how it works I'm not sure about going for the R1.
an easy way to switch "pre continuous shooting" off and on is to setup Quick Control, so that when you press the Q button while shooting, one of the options is "pre cont shooting". still a 3 step procedure, but better than going deep in the menu. or can just turn it on in one of the custom settings
My solution to Pre-Capture on R5M2 (Don't know if @JeffCable tried it) is to save my sport normal settings to C1. Save the same settings PLUS precapture to C2. So I am taking my sports/bird pictures and then all I have to do to get precapture is to hit Mode on the top of the camera and go to C2. This takes half a second without taking the camera from your eye. It it is bad you cannot turn precapture on and off with a button, but this is the fastest way to turn it on and off.
Great method, and a few others have mentioned that. I asked Jeff and he couldn’t do that. It was a pre-production body and he said I t didn’t support it at the time. They must have updated the firmware before public release.
I'm an amateur but interested in wildlife and aircraft. I have an R7 and an R6 but have an R5 Mk2 on order. Following this video I'm convinced that I made the right decision to buy the R5 Mk2 and am extremely excited and will try the C1 and C2 method.
as a long time photojournalist, I am getting the R5MKII, and appreciate the share of your experience But, since our lives are controlled in many ways by bean counters, what is to save us mature photographers when with an R1/R5mkII/etc can basically do the heavy lifting and getting a 90+% keeper rate akid can be pointed where to stand and prat n spray and it pays off with great pixs at say min wage? Once they can pair this with a self framing head like the Sony FR7... I feel like any 12 yr old can capture like you both can, even match Iooss Yes, I know we have non tangible skills that are hard to measure, but... Thoughts?
All great points, and yes, the camera does so much of the calculation and process work now. Still, a snapshot is always a snapshot. That intangible quality that sets a great photographer apart from a good or average one won’t change. We each have a photographic eye of our own that can’t be done in camera at all. A beginning kid will be able to focus more on the art and craft instead of the technical when learning, but in the end they will still need to learn that craft and art, and develop their own voice.
Great to hear from Jeff in so much detail! I had already read his blog post. It's refreshing to hear what really counts in the real world compared to all the "fancy reviews" on YT ;-) BTW, for my first soccer coverage with two R5mkii I set up two identical C1/C2 custom banks and disabled all other shooting modes for the game. Cycling with the M.Fn. key [C] gave me that 1-button switch between pre-shooting or not. Something real valuable to NOT come home with 5000 pictures LOL.
I think I've worked out how to assign precapture on/off to a single button press: customise the M-Fn button to C: Switch to Custom shooting mode, (this allows you to toggle between C1, C2, & C3) , then set up your favourite settings to both C1 & C2 with the only difference being C1 has precapture turned off and C2 has it turned on. Finally Untick C3 so that the M-Fn button only toggles between C1 and C2. (I had a 1DX mark ii before and used this idea to toggle between single shot and H+ shooting)
Same here. The issue is my idea of Low Light / High ISO isn’t what most people testing it think is High ISO. Most reviewers think 3200 is high. That’s regular to me. I want to know if 6400, 10k, 12,800 is noticeably better than the R5.
@@BehindTheShot Exactly, i just spend a weekend where i was hitting 6400 regularly, thanks to the subject matter (Festival) and LR denoise it's wasn't a huge issue. But 25.600 would make a huge difference. And thanks for this interview, most of the R1 content online is based on people reading specs or that 1 day session Canon had, it's nice hearing someone that has used the camera in anger. And i think Jeff nails it about the whole naming controversy, the R3 was a flagship (there wasn't anything better) and the R1 does that even better, and so does the R5MK2, so what's the fuss about. In any case, it seems to me that the R1 is 100% aimed at photographers and everything is about making sure you get the shot. The huge EVF, AF, Titanium House, Weather Sealing, Huge battery, Dual Cards, and hopefully a Sensor with impressive iso/low light/noise performance :)
Great question. There are some things the RF glass bring to the picture, being sharper edge-to-edge being one. IS specs partially depend on the glass working together with the body etc. But for AF, all the new tech features will work as expected. One key is that some of the newer RF is often faster at focusing, which existed in EF too, where some were just faster at AF, but overall the glass will work with the new bodies. If I’m incorrect on anything someone will correct me quickly, hahaha.
It would be nice to eventually have a scripting feature that allowed you to bundle settings so you can change 2 or more settings in one action (e.g. toggle FPS + recapture). I would guess that water splashing in front of the face wreaks havoc with the eye-detect AF. The technology now exists (robotics + AI + cameras) that would enable the creation of a totally autonomous robotic photographer. It is only a matter of someone having the resource for putting all the tech into one object. Most likely, pre-capture images use less battery than shooting one at a time.
Thanks for another great video! FYI ... around 27:05, you mention that the R5 Mark II AF is "sensitive both horizontally and vertical", which I would interpret (correct me if I'm wrong) as saying it has cross-type AF points. That is not the case. That is one of the big differentiators with the R1 which will have cross-type AF points.
Hey Michael, Thanks for watching! And yes, you are correct. Someone else pointed that out too, so I added a note at the top of the description correcting my mistake. 🤦🏼♂️ Thanks!
For the precapture button, I felt the same. But in addition to My Menu I've set C1 & C2 to pre-capture with different frame rates (20 & 30 on the R5ii). I still want the button but this works.
Haven’t seen those myself, but wouldn’t surprise me. Then the next camera from Nikon or Sony or whoever will leapfrog Canon. They’re all so good these days. I have link posting disabled here but if you have link could you send it to me via socials like X or IG?
@@BehindTheShot I think it's going to be a bigger hurdle for Nikon than others. Years ago they were leaders in the sports cameras. Sometime between now and then they made a strategic lean into optics while Canon included a side trip into data science and maybe a little physics and ceramics. Sony comes from places adjacent to that world so it was a no-brainer for them. Canon's reduction in power consumption is a telling statistic going forward so I'm looking to see more from them. Sony is a tech giant but, in my opinion, Sony may face some organizational friction in refining their coproccessor that Canon will not. Coprocessor algorithms is where the headroom is right now so I think Canon still has some room to run and that's what Jeff was experiencing with improved lock-in on the R1. The comparison I mentioned is not from a research lab but it's not a bad research design for a TH-camr. You can find it if you search on "Who has the BEST? Canon R5 Mark II Autofocus tested and compared!" The comparison I mentioned is in the first 10 minutes or so. Unfortunatly he's using the newer Z6 iii to represent Nikon, but Nikon claims this camera has an autofocus on par with the Z 8 and Z 9. If so, the truncated results were seeing for Nikon are probably indicative of a weakness in coprocessing. They ran the R5 ii against the Sony A 7r V and the differences are symptomatic of differences in bandwidth and coprocessor algorithms. Would be interesting to see this against the A1. As I said above, I think Canon still has some room to run in this area. We'll see.
Great show!!! Listen it will be worth your while to do another interview purely on expert first hand accounts about the video experience people had with these two cameras
That’s really interesting to me. I would have thought the people choice would solve that. Assuming you are using continuous AF with people, and face & eye detection, I don’t know why it would work for me with fast moving musicians and not running sports. I’d call canon and see what they say.
@@BehindTheShot A moving crowd that runs infront of each other is bound to go wrong with any autofocus, unless they make one that is programmed to do sonething else than seaching for people and eyes. Only way right now is to turn it off and go manual focus.
@baekmedier Both the R3 and 5 series have the ability to adjust if and how fast the AF does or does not react to something moving in front of the subject. Not just by Case # but but customizing that feature. I assuming you have customized those setting, but if no mt I’d try that. Beyond that I don’t see making that a subject of its own because the way AF works, as you say, something moving in between you and you subject for any extended period will pull focus. I do have a video on those settings, with Rudy Winston of Canon, if needed.
Not sure which camera you both were referring to at time index 27:44; based on the specs posted at Canon USA, the R1 uses cross type AF while the R5 does not.
Hey Mike, So it looks like you are correct. I wish I could remember where I saw or heard that, but looking it up now I appear to be incorrect. Only the R1 has cross-type. My apologies for the mistake.
Nice insight! Hmm I was leaning towards a used R3 bc I can’t have any rolling shutter for my work. I do some birding and sports but my business is dogs and I move and pan with them tons. I’m still rocking a 5D mk4 because I cannot deal with rolling shutter. Sounds like the R5 II has no RS?? I saw a review from a bird photographer and he said the R5 II is much better but still has slight RS?
Based on Jeff’s shots I say if it has any it’s very little. The readout is really fast. But remember, if you’re still using the 5D4 then you’re using mechanical shutter. You can of course do the same on the R52, but would have the electronic when it fits.
Great question. Both Jeff and I use ProGrade Digital, as does the person I quoted, David Bergman. I do know people that like Lexar and others, but I switch when I bought the R5 and R6 and love the ProGrade.
Great question, with an unfortunately vague answer. It greatly depends on what or where you are exporting for. If you’re exporting for a client then that will be completely different than exporting for social media, and even for socials exporting for Instagram is different than X or another. Here’s an older (2021) article on social media exporting from Jeff Harmon of the Photo Taco podcast. He did really detailed testing. Still, each platform has a page with their own recommendations. I had always exported at 1024px on the long side at 80-100 on quality - usually 100 even though everyone says 80 is fine. The last year or so I switched 2000px, but saw an article the other day said 1024 was best still. Hmmm. So yeah, a never ending battle.
@@BehindTheShot Thank you Steve, I'll check the reference u mentioned. I'm a neophyte and exporting really made my workflow so complicated 😞 hope I'll get used to it. Thanks :)
Hey Thomas, yes, but it hasn’t existed at the pro and semi-pro body level like the 1 or 5 series. The 6 and 8 series are amazing but internally Canon doesn’t see them at that higher end.
@@hawaiifreespeechnews There is always room for improvement regardless of which camera model. Personally, I'm always looking for better autofocus performance and handling of high ISO. Yes, sounds like the R1 is an improvement over the R3, although I have not seen any discussion of high ISO performance versus the R3. But it's also significantly more expensive and won't be available for another few months, at least. So in the mean time it would be interesting to hear what Canon's plans are for the R3, if any.
I was going to get the R3 since I qualify for an upgrade discount. No discount on the R1 or R5ll. Too new. Now the R3 is stale? What a dilemma. Dont get me started on the missing RF300 f2.8. I cant afford the RF400. Im stuck.
I totally get it, Angel. I was actually thinking it when he said it, but as we also mentioned… any camera can make sellable images. If the R3 is a good price then it’s very worth it. It was on sale for $4500, but if you get an additional discount it may be the choice that’s best for you.
@@BehindTheShot The R3 can be purchased at Best Buy for $4,000. In store is lower than the online price. It doesn't make sense for the R1 to be a little improvement over the R3 but then the R5II is better than the R3. Increments of improvement don't seem to match up.
Interesting about the in store price you reference. Didn’t know that, and I just looked up the Best Buy price while answering another post. But again, for someone making a living with it that could be two or three jobs to pay the difference, and if you want the better eye control AF, or faster readout, or pre-shoot etc that could be worth it. For me…. The R5 II looks awesome.
Is the R5II better than the R3 for video? The R5II seems to be mirrored to the battery grip for cooling. Not sure I would go with the R5II over the R3. If the R5II is better than the R3 then how much better is the R1 over the R5II? It doesn't make sense for Canon to make the R5II almost as good as the R1 does it? So, according to this review the R1 is great but a little better than the R3 but the R5II would be a better choice over the R3 because the R5II is better. Something has to give. Which would you take to a high profile sporting event, the R3 or R5II? With your job on the line? Lol.
All such great points. I didn’t cover video here, as I’m simply not qualified to do it. I will say that Jordan and Chris at PetaPixel do cover that. For me, I’d 100% take the R5 II to the critical job. That active cooling grip alone could be the difference. Chris and Jordan do mention recording times and I think the R5 II would work great. The R1 may, if I’m being honest, be overkill for that use. Here’s a post I find that is interesting on the video side: www.provideocoalition.com/canon-r5-mark-ii-r1-hands-on/
The R5-2 is the same as my R5, which at roughly 45 MP is plenty. Along with my R5 (original) I also shoot an R6 (original), and while I love the R6 I definitely feel the lack of MP at 20.1. The R6-2 bumped it to 24.2, the same as the R1, and that a sweet spot for a lower count. Small enough file size, enough to work with on a crop, and faster turnaround when copying a lot of images. So to me, and I can’t speak for Jeff, one body at 45-ish and one at 24-ish is a great mix.
I still think the R3 is the best value comparing to the R1.. photo quality will be the same due to the sensor megapixel being the same. It’s a no brainer unless you are a professional and you always need the last tech.
@@RayValdezPhotography sensor read out speed almost the same.. autofocus improved that much? What can you photograph with the R1 that you can’t on the R3? Noise levels will be the same too.. you get an improved eye track and the new auto capture. Not saying the R1 is not an upgrade to the R3 but if you go for value then the R3 have the best value for me.
The R3 is a fantastic camera. The decision is really what do you need / want, and is the value right for you. That will be a different answer for each person. Love that we have the choice.
Unless you don’t need that many MP. That’s why I carry an R6 and R5. I get both high and low. If you’re a journalist that needs that fastest turnaround then lower is better.
Yeah, that is what my thought is too. Current pricing for the R3 varies, of course, but here are common retailers: B&H, Canon, Best Buy or Samy’s: $4,499 Adorama: Regularly $4,499 - Sale: $3,849 That Adorama price won’t last. So the “regular” price is actually $4,500, not $4,000. Refurbished is less of course. So yeah, it’s more common to see it $1,500 less than an R1, but if someone makes a living with it that might be one job. To pay for it. As with everything it really depends on what you need or want. EDIT: someone else pointed out that the Best Buy is $4,000 in store, higher than the online price. Still, depends on what someone really needs / wants. I’d find it hard to justify, but if the difference is paid with one to three jobs it could be worth it.
Best vid to show the skill of a world class pro. Jeff Cable.
Thanks for watching!
Possibly the most interesting and informative photography videos I have ever watched. Thanks
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Wow, this is the most useful video I've seen on the R52 and the R1.. great questions and answers!
Thanks so much, Paul. Real appreciate the kind thoughts, and thanks for watching.
Steve and Jeff - Another great show as always. A couple of points to clarify:
Re: Eye Control: I never used to move my focus point. In fast-moving environments, I prefer to lock it in one spot (usually center-horizontal, about 1/3 down vertically). With multiple people in the frame, I find it quicker to point the camera so the locked focus is on the person I want. Using back button focus, I press the AF-on button to start focusing and can move around freely while the camera keeps that person in focus as long as I’m holding the button.
Now, with eye control on the R52 (and R1), I no longer need to move the camera physically. I simply look at the person I want to focus on and press AF-on. This probably saves me a second or two, letting me start shooting faster - crucial in action photography, where timing can make or break a shot.
As for People Priority: It doesn’t jump away from the person I’m locked on to focus on the registered person (Luke Combs, in my case). However, during the initial acquisition (before pressing AF-on), it will prioritize the registered person over the one I’m looking at. Note that registered person detection needs a clear frontal view. Hats or glasses can reduce accuracy if only the face was registered. I keep it on during Luke’s shows but still rely on eye control to focus on the person I want.
Thanks, David. Appreciate your input so much, and that does clarify greatly.
R3 eye focus works great. Probably better than how you find focus. Haha.
@@contentm3893I never had much luck with it - probably because of my progressive lens glasses. But no longer an issue with the R52.
@@DavidBergmanPhoto Nice.
I’ve found the R3’s eye control to be good so long as I recalibrate with every unique environment I’m in (different lighting conditions). I use it to get the point there quickly and then let back button subject/eye detection take over. I have my eye control set to the first button on the right and I can toggle it on and off.
What a great show with the amazing photos of Jeff Cable. Thank you for that. About the pre-capture, I can say for me as an Olympus photographer this is a lifesaver sometimes. Can't believe these are the first Canon cameras with this feature. I use it for at least 4-5 years now. Hope Canon will make a firmware update to allow you to adjust the time of the pre-capture and the frames you want to record. Sometimes you need 5, other times maybe you will want more.
I think in general both cameras are great, I was thinking about the R5 Mark II as a hybrid camera, but it will be way too expensive for the whole ecosystem with a couple of lenses to cover the focal lengths I'm using now.
Thanks for watching! And yes, pre capture has been around a long time, and I’ve wondered if Canon would ever implement it. Glad they did. It would help me a lot. If I were to guess they won’t add more options to it via firmware. Just doesn’t feel like something Canon would do. That said, they’ve surprised me a few times this year. lol.
Great show, great interview. I went to Costa Rica with Jeff last year. He shot my proposal to my fiance off the cuff because I didn't have a plan. He did great, the pics turned out great and he even got shots of the ring on a frogs head. It was a great trip and I consider Jeff a good friend now.
That’s awesome, Jason! Congrats. Thanks for watching.
We are indeed!!!
Huge fan of Jeff’s work!
Jefferson! Dude! Thank you so much for watching buddy. Honored.
Thank you SO much!!!!
Steve, wonderful you are covering these topics with such a great guest. I remember a show you had with Rudy Winston where you talked about how the AF system worked. It was an in depth look and so revealing. Suddenly, everything was clear how it worked and why it was there. While Rudy isn't any longer associated with Canon (oh my, what a loss....) maybe you can find someone to redo this AF video for the R5 Mark II? Or do it on your own? Me thinks that the AF settings got a tad bit more complicated with this "whole area" and eye control stuff compared to the Mark Ones. Thank you!
Thanks as always for watching. I do wish I could get Rudy on right now. I’ll reach out, maybe Canon has someone that could help.
The R5 II is a worthy upgrade to the R5 for me.
I setup a one touch acess to pre-capture with 30 frames/sec by putting it on C1 and assiging the M-Fn button to "Switch to Custom shooting mode". Whenever I needed pre-capture, just press the M-Fn button once, It will instantly goes to C1 (pre-capture with 30frames/sec). When I don't need it, just press the M-Fn button to go back to manual mode. No need to go into the menu. Work very well. Cheers.
Thanks for watching! Great method for that. I’ll pass that on to Jeff.
thanks for that, great idea
Another great show, Steve. Thank you!
Thank you for watching! So glad you enjoyed it.
Wonderful interview, Steve. Absolutely love to listen to Jeff Cable’s thoughts on Canon equipment, from a Professional Photographer who has extensive experience with the Canon product line. Your questions posed to Jeff were helpful in understanding current features on the R1 & R5II. You have a great voice that is worthy of a radio/video talk show host, which you do so well. Best wishes & safe travels to both of you.😊
Thank you so much, Jeffery! Really appreciate the kind thoughts, and you taking the time to watch.
This is great, thank you for the details.
I saw the Alaska Trip and Jeff is doing and asked if I could go mostly based upon his reputation and hearing him speak about photography
Than you for watching! I’d love to go to Alaska with Jeff.
Another great show! Thank you
Bob!!!!!! Thank you so much for watching man. Please tell you wife we say hello!
Great vid Steve. I'm a rank amateur compared with Jeff, but after coming from a 5D iv to R5 to R5 Mk ii that I use largely for sports (motor racing and small boat sailing regattas), can totally back up his comments on the improvement in autofocus.. especially the sailing where I'm trying to focus on the crews of the boats.. 90%+ keeper rate at first regatta shoot using auto AF setting... feel like I'm cheating!
That’s awesome. I haven’t upgraded from the R5 yet, but definitely want to.
Thanks for watching!
Watched ur interview with Jeff when the R3 came out and he took it the Olympics. That interview was dope. This one is gonna be good!
So glad you liked that one, and hope this one lives up to it, hahaha.
I found out last month that my R6ii has pre-capture!
Yeah, it’s a feature I’d love to have on my R5-1 and R6-1.
Hi Steve, I feel fortunate to have ordered the R5 Mark II on the day of Canon's presentation at B&H and received it on the 20th - I'm thoroughly enjoying it!
That’s awesome! What did you upgrade from?
@@BehindTheShot I upgraded from the R5 and had two to trade in, but the offer from B&H was disappointing. I'll decide what to do with them later. Initially, I wanted to buy the Mark II and R1 with the trade-in, but I see the R1 as an enhanced version of the R3.
Yeah, if I could get enough for my R5 I might upgrade to the II. But the R1 is just out of my range, and honestly I prefer no vert grip.
@@BehindTheShot Exactly! But I tell you the R5M2 is exceptionally amazing, I'm fascinated by the "Eye control feature," in which I discovered the most effective way to calibrate it, customizing buttons for shooting, among many other wonderful features, in fact now that I've discovered almost 100% of how it works I'm not sure about going for the R1.
@yomismo1945 good to know. Thank you!
That was really good, thank you.
Thank you for watching.
an easy way to switch "pre continuous shooting" off and on is to setup Quick Control, so that when you press the Q button while shooting, one of the options is "pre cont shooting". still a 3 step procedure, but better than going deep in the menu.
or can just turn it on in one of the custom settings
Great tip. Thanks. Oh, and thanks for watching!
My solution to Pre-Capture on R5M2 (Don't know if @JeffCable tried it) is to save my sport normal settings to C1. Save the same settings PLUS precapture to C2. So I am taking my sports/bird pictures and then all I have to do to get precapture is to hit Mode on the top of the camera and go to C2. This takes half a second without taking the camera from your eye. It it is bad you cannot turn precapture on and off with a button, but this is the fastest way to turn it on and off.
Great method, and a few others have mentioned that. I asked Jeff and he couldn’t do that. It was a pre-production body and he said I t didn’t support it at the time. They must have updated the firmware before public release.
I'm an amateur but interested in wildlife and aircraft. I have an R7 and an R6 but have an R5 Mk2 on order. Following this video I'm convinced that I made the right decision to buy the R5 Mk2 and am extremely excited and will try the C1 and C2 method.
So glad that you enjoyed the show. Good luck with the R5-2!
as a long time photojournalist, I am getting the R5MKII, and appreciate the share of your experience
But, since our lives are controlled in many ways by bean counters, what is to save us mature photographers when with an R1/R5mkII/etc can basically do the heavy lifting and getting a 90+% keeper rate akid can be pointed where to stand and prat n spray and it pays off with great pixs at say min wage?
Once they can pair this with a self framing head like the Sony FR7...
I feel like any 12 yr old can capture like you both can, even match Iooss
Yes, I know we have non tangible skills that are hard to measure, but...
Thoughts?
All great points, and yes, the camera does so much of the calculation and process work now. Still, a snapshot is always a snapshot. That intangible quality that sets a great photographer apart from a good or average one won’t change. We each have a photographic eye of our own that can’t be done in camera at all. A beginning kid will be able to focus more on the art and craft instead of the technical when learning, but in the end they will still need to learn that craft and art, and develop their own voice.
Great to hear from Jeff in so much detail! I had already read his blog post. It's refreshing to hear what really counts in the real world compared to all the "fancy reviews" on YT ;-)
BTW, for my first soccer coverage with two R5mkii I set up two identical C1/C2 custom banks and disabled all other shooting modes for the game. Cycling with the M.Fn. key [C] gave me that 1-button switch between pre-shooting or not. Something real valuable to NOT come home with 5000 pictures LOL.
Yeah, someone else mentioned that same method, using C#. Great idea.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks!
Thank you, Jeff!
Great show
Thanks, Charles. Really appreciate you taking the time to watch.
I think I've worked out how to assign precapture on/off to a single button press: customise the M-Fn button to C: Switch to Custom shooting mode, (this allows you to toggle between C1, C2, & C3) , then set up your favourite settings to both C1 & C2 with the only difference being C1 has precapture turned off and C2 has it turned on. Finally Untick C3 so that the M-Fn button only toggles between C1 and C2. (I had a 1DX mark ii before and used this idea to toggle between single shot and H+ shooting)
Yup. A few others have mentioned that too. Jeff said that they must have made changes in firmware after the pre-production model.
Low light / high ISO performance is my only unanswered question on the r1
Same here. The issue is my idea of Low Light / High ISO isn’t what most people testing it think is High ISO. Most reviewers think 3200 is high. That’s regular to me. I want to know if 6400, 10k, 12,800 is noticeably better than the R5.
@@BehindTheShot Exactly, i just spend a weekend where i was hitting 6400 regularly, thanks to the subject matter (Festival) and LR denoise it's wasn't a huge issue. But 25.600 would make a huge difference. And thanks for this interview, most of the R1 content online is based on people reading specs or that 1 day session Canon had, it's nice hearing someone that has used the camera in anger. And i think Jeff nails it about the whole naming controversy, the R3 was a flagship (there wasn't anything better) and the R1 does that even better, and so does the R5MK2, so what's the fuss about. In any case, it seems to me that the R1 is 100% aimed at photographers and everything is about making sure you get the shot. The huge EVF, AF, Titanium House, Weather Sealing, Huge battery, Dual Cards, and hopefully a Sensor with impressive iso/low light/noise performance :)
Agreed. Thank for watching!
Great interview, Steve. I have pre ordered the R1. 😬
Hey Bruce, thank you for watching. Hope you enjoy the R1!
Can you get this fantastic auto focus with EF lenses or do you also need to upgrade to RF lenses?
(Haven't seen a review address this).
Great question. There are some things the RF glass bring to the picture, being sharper edge-to-edge being one. IS specs partially depend on the glass working together with the body etc.
But for AF, all the new tech features will work as expected. One key is that some of the newer RF is often faster at focusing, which existed in EF too, where some were just faster at AF, but overall the glass will work with the new bodies.
If I’m incorrect on anything someone will correct me quickly, hahaha.
It would be nice to eventually have a scripting feature that allowed you to bundle settings so you can change 2 or more settings in one action (e.g. toggle FPS + recapture).
I would guess that water splashing in front of the face wreaks havoc with the eye-detect AF.
The technology now exists (robotics + AI + cameras) that would enable the creation of a totally autonomous robotic photographer. It is only a matter of someone having the resource for putting all the tech into one object.
Most likely, pre-capture images use less battery than shooting one at a time.
Oh wow
Thanks for another great video! FYI ... around 27:05, you mention that the R5 Mark II AF is "sensitive both horizontally and vertical", which I would interpret (correct me if I'm wrong) as saying it has cross-type AF points. That is not the case. That is one of the big differentiators with the R1 which will have cross-type AF points.
Hey Michael,
Thanks for watching! And yes, you are correct. Someone else pointed that out too, so I added a note at the top of the description correcting my mistake. 🤦🏼♂️
Thanks!
For the precapture button, I felt the same. But in addition to My Menu I've set C1 & C2 to pre-capture with different frame rates (20 & 30 on the R5ii). I still want the button but this works.
Yes, a few have mentioned that. Jeff couldn’t add the feature to a C# in the preproduction firmware. Clearly that’s possible now.
Recent AF tests I've seen across brands show the AF on the R5-ii to be more consistent across the entire frame with better detection.
Haven’t seen those myself, but wouldn’t surprise me. Then the next camera from Nikon or Sony or whoever will leapfrog Canon. They’re all so good these days. I have link posting disabled here but if you have link could you send it to me via socials like X or IG?
@@BehindTheShot I think it's going to be a bigger hurdle for Nikon than others. Years ago they were leaders in the sports cameras. Sometime between now and then they made a strategic lean into optics while Canon included a side trip into data science and maybe a little physics and ceramics. Sony comes from places adjacent to that world so it was a no-brainer for them. Canon's reduction in power consumption is a telling statistic going forward so I'm looking to see more from them. Sony is a tech giant but, in my opinion, Sony may face some organizational friction in refining their coproccessor that Canon will not. Coprocessor algorithms is where the headroom is right now so I think Canon still has some room to run and that's what Jeff was experiencing with improved lock-in on the R1.
The comparison I mentioned is not from a research lab but it's not a bad research design for a TH-camr. You can find it if you search on "Who has the BEST? Canon R5 Mark II Autofocus tested and compared!" The comparison I mentioned is in the first 10 minutes or so. Unfortunatly he's using the newer Z6 iii to represent Nikon, but Nikon claims this camera has an autofocus on par with the Z 8 and Z 9. If so, the truncated results were seeing for Nikon are probably indicative of a weakness in coprocessing. They ran the R5 ii against the Sony A 7r V and the differences are symptomatic of differences in bandwidth and coprocessor algorithms. Would be interesting to see this against the A1. As I said above, I think Canon still has some room to run in this area. We'll see.
Great show!!! Listen it will be worth your while to do another interview purely on expert first hand accounts about the video experience people had with these two cameras
Thank you for watching! I’m definitely hoping to do that.
Hope that Canon will add a Marathon running - setting to the AF menu... sounds like an awesome camera that R1
Wouldn’t the People subject work for that?
@@BehindTheShot Im having trouble with my R3 and R5C and C70 for running crowds... maybe with firmware updates..
That’s really interesting to me. I would have thought the people choice would solve that. Assuming you are using continuous AF with people, and face & eye detection, I don’t know why it would work for me with fast moving musicians and not running sports. I’d call canon and see what they say.
@@BehindTheShot A moving crowd that runs infront of each other is bound to go wrong with any autofocus, unless they make one that is programmed to do sonething else than seaching for people and eyes.
Only way right now is to turn it off and go manual focus.
@baekmedier Both the R3 and 5 series have the ability to adjust if and how fast the AF does or does not react to something moving in front of the subject. Not just by Case # but but customizing that feature. I assuming you have customized those setting, but if no mt I’d try that. Beyond that I don’t see making that a subject of its own because the way AF works, as you say, something moving in between you and you subject for any extended period will pull focus. I do have a video on those settings, with Rudy Winston of Canon, if needed.
Not sure which camera you both were referring to at time index 27:44; based on the specs posted at Canon USA, the R1 uses cross type AF while the R5 does not.
Hey Mike,
So it looks like you are correct. I wish I could remember where I saw or heard that, but looking it up now I appear to be incorrect. Only the R1 has cross-type. My apologies for the mistake.
I’m going to add a note at the top of the comments. Thanks for pointing that out.
I added that comment here and to the blog post. Appreciate the help.
Get Rudy lol , he is the man.
Yeah, Rudy is the best. Unfortunately, he’s no longer with Canon.
Nice insight!
Hmm I was leaning towards a used R3 bc I can’t have any rolling shutter for my work. I do some birding and sports but my business is dogs and I move and pan with them tons. I’m still rocking a 5D mk4 because I cannot deal with rolling shutter. Sounds like the R5 II has no RS??
I saw a review from a bird photographer and he said the R5 II is much better but still has slight RS?
Based on Jeff’s shots I say if it has any it’s very little. The readout is really fast. But remember, if you’re still using the 5D4 then you’re using mechanical shutter. You can of course do the same on the R52, but would have the electronic when it fits.
I set up my R5II with the eye tracking switched on or off with the DOF preview button. Works great!
Love that idea.
@@BehindTheShot I also used the eye tracking right out of the box with no calibration and it worked great. Thanks for doing these podcasts!
@thelensmanphotography appreciate you taking the time to watch.
great video.What are the best SD cards for the Canon 5D Mar 2../
Great question. Both Jeff and I use ProGrade Digital, as does the person I quoted, David Bergman. I do know people that like Lexar and others, but I switch when I bought the R5 and R6 and love the ProGrade.
Hi Steve, do u have any video related to the best export settings from Lightroom Classic as a Sports Photographer?
Great question, with an unfortunately vague answer. It greatly depends on what or where you are exporting for. If you’re exporting for a client then that will be completely different than exporting for social media, and even for socials exporting for Instagram is different than X or another.
Here’s an older (2021) article on social media exporting from Jeff Harmon of the Photo Taco podcast. He did really detailed testing. Still, each platform has a page with their own recommendations.
I had always exported at 1024px on the long side at 80-100 on quality - usually 100 even though everyone says 80 is fine. The last year or so I switched 2000px, but saw an article the other day said 1024 was best still. Hmmm.
So yeah, a never ending battle.
@@BehindTheShot Thank you Steve, I'll check the reference u mentioned.
I'm a neophyte and exporting really made my workflow so complicated 😞 hope I'll get used to it. Thanks :)
Everybody talking about pre-capture like there's no tomorrow.
I have had this on my R6 mark ii for years. R8 also has it.
Hey Thomas, yes, but it hasn’t existed at the pro and semi-pro body level like the 1 or 5 series. The 6 and 8 series are amazing but internally Canon doesn’t see them at that higher end.
So will there be any updates to the R3 in the future? Is the R3 a dead end at this point?
There’s no way to know what Canon will do, but we do talk about the R3 in comparison during the show.
What kind of updates? The R3 doesn’t need anything more. It’s the R1’s turn to outshine its predecessor now
@@hawaiifreespeechnews There is always room for improvement regardless of which camera model. Personally, I'm always looking for better autofocus performance and handling of high ISO. Yes, sounds like the R1 is an improvement over the R3, although I have not seen any discussion of high ISO performance versus the R3. But it's also significantly more expensive and won't be available for another few months, at least. So in the mean time it would be interesting to hear what Canon's plans are for the R3, if any.
Is the spot metering linked to the active focus point like it is in the 1dx mk3 ?
Yes, I haven’t looked it up for that body, but it should be. It’s only on the 1 series bodies.
Thanks that’s good to hear
I was going to get the R3 since I qualify for an upgrade discount. No discount on the R1 or R5ll. Too new. Now the R3 is stale? What a dilemma. Dont get me started on the missing RF300 f2.8. I cant afford the RF400. Im stuck.
I totally get it, Angel. I was actually thinking it when he said it, but as we also mentioned… any camera can make sellable images. If the R3 is a good price then it’s very worth it. It was on sale for $4500, but if you get an additional discount it may be the choice that’s best for you.
@@BehindTheShot The R3 can be purchased at Best Buy for $4,000. In store is lower than the online price. It doesn't make sense for the R1 to be a little improvement over the R3 but then the R5II is better than the R3. Increments of improvement don't seem to match up.
Interesting about the in store price you reference. Didn’t know that, and I just looked up the Best Buy price while answering another post. But again, for someone making a living with it that could be two or three jobs to pay the difference, and if you want the better eye control AF, or faster readout, or pre-shoot etc that could be worth it. For me…. The R5 II looks awesome.
Is the R5II better than the R3 for video? The R5II seems to be mirrored to the battery grip for cooling. Not sure I would go with the R5II over the R3. If the R5II is better than the R3 then how much better is the R1 over the R5II? It doesn't make sense for Canon to make the R5II almost as good as the R1 does it? So, according to this review the R1 is great but a little better than the R3 but the R5II would be a better choice over the R3 because the R5II is better. Something has to give. Which would you take to a high profile sporting event, the R3 or R5II? With your job on the line? Lol.
All such great points. I didn’t cover video here, as I’m simply not qualified to do it. I will say that Jordan and Chris at PetaPixel do cover that.
For me, I’d 100% take the R5 II to the critical job. That active cooling grip alone could be the difference. Chris and Jordan do mention recording times and I think the R5 II would work great. The R1 may, if I’m being honest, be overkill for that use.
Here’s a post I find that is interesting on the video side:
www.provideocoalition.com/canon-r5-mark-ii-r1-hands-on/
Do you guys notice the mega pixel size?
The R5-2 is the same as my R5, which at roughly 45 MP is plenty. Along with my R5 (original) I also shoot an R6 (original), and while I love the R6 I definitely feel the lack of MP at 20.1. The R6-2 bumped it to 24.2, the same as the R1, and that a sweet spot for a lower count. Small enough file size, enough to work with on a crop, and faster turnaround when copying a lot of images.
So to me, and I can’t speak for Jeff, one body at 45-ish and one at 24-ish is a great mix.
I still think the R3 is the best value comparing to the R1.. photo quality will be the same due to the sensor megapixel being the same.
It’s a no brainer unless you are a professional and you always need the last tech.
more to image quality than megapixels. 5DSR would be the best camera camera ever made by canon if it was down to megapixels.
@@RayValdezPhotography sensor read out speed almost the same.. autofocus improved that much? What can you photograph with the R1 that you can’t on the R3? Noise levels will be the same too.. you get an improved eye track and the new auto capture.
Not saying the R1 is not an upgrade to the R3 but if you go for value then the R3 have the best value for me.
The R3 is a fantastic camera. The decision is really what do you need / want, and is the value right for you. That will be a different answer for each person. Love that we have the choice.
Unless you don’t need that many MP. That’s why I carry an R6 and R5. I get both high and low. If you’re a journalist that needs that fastest turnaround then lower is better.
@dragSD666 I agree. The R3 is still a great option. All comes down to individual needs and preferences.
The R3 is $4,000 new so it's a big difference in price compared to the R1.
Yeah, that is what my thought is too. Current pricing for the R3 varies, of course, but here are common retailers:
B&H, Canon, Best Buy or Samy’s: $4,499
Adorama: Regularly $4,499 - Sale: $3,849
That Adorama price won’t last. So the “regular” price is actually $4,500, not $4,000. Refurbished is less of course.
So yeah, it’s more common to see it $1,500 less than an R1, but if someone makes a living with it that might be one job. To pay for it. As with everything it really depends on what you need or want.
EDIT: someone else pointed out that the Best Buy is $4,000 in store, higher than the online price. Still, depends on what someone really needs / wants. I’d find it hard to justify, but if the difference is paid with one to three jobs it could be worth it.
Rolling shutter on the R1 shot @ time index 1:13:42? The ball has a rolling shutter effect, but I guess could be due to being kicked?
It’s a Rugby Ball. they aren’t round.
www.worldrugbyshop.com/products/gilbert-g-tr4000-training-rugby-ball
@@BehindTheShot Wow...not round...would not have thought....thanks!
LOL