Panasonic G9 Hands-On Field Test with Joe Desjardins

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.พ. 2018
  • Panasonic surprised a lot of photographers when they announced a flagship camera with even stronger photographic capability than the GH5. Panasonic is targeting pros with this camera, so we went out with professional wildlife and landscape photographer Joe Desjardins to see if this new body can compete with professional DSLRs.
    Panasonic G9: www.thecamerastore.com/12772-...
    Special thanks to Joe Desjardins (www.joedesjardins.ca)
    Music provided by BeatSuite.com
    www.beatsuite.com
    Shot on the Panasonic GH5S
    Shot and edited by Jordan Drake
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  • @FredGalang
    @FredGalang 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I don't recall seeing any videos where my eyes are just mesmerised by the beauty and clarity of Alberta. The grading is just absolutely phenomenal. This video is basically a moving desktop wallpaper.

  • @marc6652
    @marc6652 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A lot of guys post camera tests on TH-cam. 99% of them stay behind their desk or may be around there garden.
    As far as I know you are the only one who tests cameras in the worst conditions, with passion and professionalism. Warm congratulations and thanks. Concerning the G9, it made me change my mind.
    I used to buy FF. Currently for several reasons I use a GX8. But my next buy will certainly be this G9.

  • @808islandlife_HI
    @808islandlife_HI 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Wow, what beautiful scenery.

  • @iloper
    @iloper 6 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Very well colour graded

  • @Ouimzie123
    @Ouimzie123 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Simply the best camera review channel on TH-cam. Period. Thanks for all the effort you make to produce interesting video like that.

  • @thomasgunn4146
    @thomasgunn4146 6 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    This channel has always put out first-rate quality content, but lately especially it continues to improve even more with each video you guys put out. Fantastic review, set against a beautiful backdrop! Keep up the great work!

  • @geonik7
    @geonik7 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Great scenery! Also, colour grading is on point!

  • @bugsygoo
    @bugsygoo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Beautifully shot video.

  • @KlausPedersen_gaffa
    @KlausPedersen_gaffa 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Like always, excellent episode guys.

  • @climbthatmountain
    @climbthatmountain 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome review, and as you said, what an occasion! That snow and ice is gorgeous. Makes me feel like a wimp shooter when I shirk a day outside because it’s a little cool or wet. Awesome video, and amazing photographs. I always learn something, every time you shoot landscapes.

  • @davidperrin3398
    @davidperrin3398 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great review. This review made my mind up about getting this camera. I received mine yesterday and I'm blown away at how good this camera is. Thanks for sharing with us your views on this.

  • @smalltalk.productions9977
    @smalltalk.productions9977 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    some lovely landscapes! thanks for the effort and the sharing. coming from a g7, the idea of the g9 is very tempting. thumbs up.

  • @ST-oe5yf
    @ST-oe5yf 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was lucky enough to be at the same spot (Barrier Lake, Kananaskis Country) the day after you guys shot this. Wonderful spot, can't wait to go back in the summer. Your hard work is much appreciated, lads.

  • @davidperrin3398
    @davidperrin3398 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great review guy's. I've been using the g9 for about a month. And i love it. So thanks for sharing. I also use the Panasonic gx8. sony a7mk2 after moving from my Nikon D750 to mirrorless system and I've not looked back. All 3 of these cameras were reviewed by you and that made my mind up so big thumbs up guy's. Love your work shared on here 👍👍👍👍

  • @djtyros
    @djtyros 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this video is amazing compared to the other videos ive seen on the g9. well done!

  • @ScottJWaldron
    @ScottJWaldron 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video as always. I really like the point toward the end about the ergonomics making it a solid photographer's camera. Good grips and a lot of direct control on cameras make a big difference in the field.

  • @CGPhotoKandou
    @CGPhotoKandou 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very honest and good reviews. Thanks a lot. I know why this is one of favourite Photography channels. Love your work. Thanks a lot man !

  • @PedroGonzalez-oh8sb
    @PedroGonzalez-oh8sb 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What an awesome scenery for this video!

  • @joebuslife9275
    @joebuslife9275 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the fine tuning they are putting into this camera. Setting the stabilizer down to the decimal, allowing adjustment of how many of the frames are allocated to before pressing the shutter button in pre burst, choice to save a single photo also while doing high res. etc. Just awesome.

  • @marcusnz232
    @marcusnz232 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm always very jealous of the marvellous wildlife and weather you guys get in Canada.

  • @ChrisProuse
    @ChrisProuse 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome review guys! Really enjoyed the location too!

  • @marcocendejas5144
    @marcocendejas5144 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Shoot out! Oly em 1 mk2 vs Panasonic G9!
    Great video and review, keep it coming.

    • @jackthehatphoto
      @jackthehatphoto 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. I'd like to see that too.

  • @pereirakelvin67
    @pereirakelvin67 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks bros very clear on that i make up my mind getting the g9 after watching multiple reviews on it.

  • @joebuslife9275
    @joebuslife9275 6 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    15:36 Impressive winter balance skills right there.

    • @grimacemcccheese
      @grimacemcccheese 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Joseph Hinkle I think he sneaked in a few dance moves on the ice.

    • @loudpanzer
      @loudpanzer 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I think its funny how there's no stress in his voice at all and his legs are doing spagetti moves, haha!

    • @ogmike6444
      @ogmike6444 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      who else read white balance skills?

  • @Tiltasauras
    @Tiltasauras 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The two of you should just piggyback a travel show onto these. You deserve way more subscribers than 300k!! I’d watch you guys talk about anything!

  • @KarimBonnardel
    @KarimBonnardel 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent episode !

  • @TerenceKearns
    @TerenceKearns 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I picked up this camera last week along with the LEICA 100-400. Oh boy, what a combo! I've been loving it. There is a lot of depth to this beast.
    I've been a Canon user for the past 10 years (professionally) and I have made the switch. I'm very excited.

  • @longrider9551
    @longrider9551 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I think its great there are so many good choices for us today, it really is the age of super cameras with so many advanced performance features!

    • @ZeekEOSZ
      @ZeekEOSZ 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m havin a blast with my Canon 6D in 2018.

  • @LyndonPatrickSmith
    @LyndonPatrickSmith 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    TCS reviews in the Rockies are the best! Great job guys. I had a chance to shoot with the G9 and 200 for a few minutes outside our local camera store. The closest EVF to optical I've ever used. One heck of a camera/lens combo.

  • @karls6802
    @karls6802 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not a fan of your in-store Talking-Heads videos, and more recently have been passing on notification of TheCameraStoreTV videos.
    So, I was glad to see with the Pana G9 that you guys chose to return to high value (more about the camera and less goofing) well done field test and evaluation of a really well done outdoor test. This video demonstrates why I came to this channel years back. Joe Desjardins was icing on the cake, although I wish he'd given a final evaluation of the 4/3's camera pros & cons for his kind of photography.
    Thanks again, a job well done.

  • @sammadonline
    @sammadonline 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stunning location. Great review.

  • @jimbean532
    @jimbean532 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent review! Thank you.

  • @colin-4794
    @colin-4794 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your usual thorough hands on review. The G9 looks very good.

  • @UMS9695
    @UMS9695 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review guys!

  • @JonJakubcin
    @JonJakubcin 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video guys! I've reeally enjoyed mine thus far.

  • @awksedgreep
    @awksedgreep 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video quality. This is def a step up.

  • @ulfjonsson2122
    @ulfjonsson2122 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lovely review!

  • @msamiullah001
    @msamiullah001 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    color grading is spot on , awesome review folks

    • @eveiasi5929
      @eveiasi5929 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      color grading is playing with colors and creating cinematic looks :)

  • @MichaelGerrard
    @MichaelGerrard 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video!

  • @tommy5770
    @tommy5770 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome review, very helpful

  • @tedbowling5036
    @tedbowling5036 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome scenery!

  • @maxheadrom3088
    @maxheadrom3088 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I got a GX85 (second hand) and soon a G85 appeared for sale (second hand also) and I missed it. After seeing this video I see I was lucky - I can build a small set of lenses and later, when someone travels to the US, get a G9 body. Very nice!!! Excellent video - these guys know their stuff and are entertaining!

  • @Ronbc000
    @Ronbc000 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    A nice review. Thanks.

  • @RossBarton2905
    @RossBarton2905 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video shot in some of the most beautiful country I've ever seen. I am keen to try the Panasonic G9, but not sure if it will handle my low light sports work. For everything else I shoot it's going to be ideal... Thanks for a fabulous, concise and to the point review guys! You highlighted all the areas of this camera's capabilities that I wanted to know more about. Very much appreciated.

  • @DonSaeKang
    @DonSaeKang 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review! I want!!!

  • @appledadlife
    @appledadlife 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review, beautiful footage.
    I know G9 is mainly a Photography camera, but I wish the video usage review was more in-depth, since it is very capable.

  • @j.d.hughes3728
    @j.d.hughes3728 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A nicely produced and informative video. Considering a G9 to back up my GH5 and to use as a stills camera. There are pros and cons to MFT, but I also have full frame cameras and unless I really need wall sized prints or I'm shooting over 3200 ISO my hand will always reach for the GH5. If I need even bigger prints I default to my antique 5x4 Linhof and get my hands wet!
    Unlike some respondents, I don't have tracking or autofocus problems with the GH5: it's a simple fix and I'm surprised that Panasonic haven't dealt with it in firmware.
    Lovely pictures by Joe Desjardins, by the way.

  • @deepoteet7626
    @deepoteet7626 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a great review :)

  • @infoambient
    @infoambient ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful

  • @HusseinKefel
    @HusseinKefel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Panasonic is really doing well in photography especially now they came up with the G9 which is an impressive sport and wildlife camera for sure.

  • @bengregoire
    @bengregoire 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super helpful video

  • @buyingonabudget1916
    @buyingonabudget1916 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    G9 is really a mighty camera! It can shoot both stills and videos very well. It is a bit heavy for a m43 camera but will balance well with your heavier lenses. However, one thing I find frustrating is the autofocus in video mode. The focus will hunt around even when just I sit or stand still. I learnt to manual focus though so it is not that big of a problem right now. I really love the camera and feel like it is a perfect fit for me! I just did a review on my channel as well.

  • @weddingphotographer5858
    @weddingphotographer5858 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    felt in love with my G7, however, its Video AF was really bad, how is that in the G9? Jordan didnt mention much about video AF performance.

  • @DSD
    @DSD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cool video and walk through. Panasonic is really making some cool stuff! I’m torn between the GH5 or the G9

  • @lllcinematography
    @lllcinematography 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great detail and dynamic range. What camera was used to shoot this review? Also what profile was used and what grading?

  • @beaupfeifferrecordings
    @beaupfeifferrecordings 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice hardware mate I dig the view finder

  • @andresgonzalezcerda7635
    @andresgonzalezcerda7635 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review! . Thanks for your " shot on Panasonic GH5S" on description, but what lenses did you use?. Thanks for such a beauty landscape.

  • @brunootvos
    @brunootvos 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Finally! :) Great video! Thank you!
    I have some questions: What can you say about the pincushion effect on the G9 EVF? It's a software problem?
    Would an update solve this problem?
    Thank you!

  • @lophoto-net
    @lophoto-net 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What I really like so far about the G9 (especially compared to the Olympus em-5 & em-1): no (or limited) blackout + direct access through dials to the AF & drive modes, dedicated iso, wb, etc buttons. In other words, I don’t have any more memory issues when picking the G9... I'm in love with the ergonomic of this camera.
    Cheers from Montréal, where we do have the snow, but those magnificent mountains!

  • @jerryeisner1
    @jerryeisner1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Chris and Jordan this is SUCH a nice review and video!! Can you tell me if this camera also has the same Olympus feature as Live Composite for time exposures where you can see the time exposure on the screen and stop it when you feel it has the correct look to it. And what do you think of that feature? Please let me know! Thanks. Jerry Eisner

  • @Derekmeetsworld
    @Derekmeetsworld 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great video, a lot more different than the most of the hands on, guys! Not a fan of the bokeh on the 200mm panny though. I wonder if the next closest Olympus looks any better?

  • @markandannette
    @markandannette 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderful review, thank you for this, it helped me confirm that I will be upgrading my Nikon D7000 to the G9 I travel a good bit and have found I used my Nikon less lately. The Lumix will be much easier to carry all day long and will be a good upgrade from the D7000

  • @christofabt8958
    @christofabt8958 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best G9 field test by far.

  • @zacharywiley5754
    @zacharywiley5754 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jordan, how would the g9 be as a vlogging camera?

  • @gillyb44
    @gillyb44 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have the Olympus EM5ii and various olympus lenses including the pro 12-100. Will i still get the stabilization lens and body with the pro on. Also how much slower is the autofocus with Olympus lenses. Thanks for a great review. Really thinking about this camera now instead of the em1ii. Also does this camera have Live composite or just bulb? cheers in advance

  • @bird271828
    @bird271828 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice review. Thank you for sharing :-)
    It's interesting he said it's okay to let bears know you are there.

  • @richpetro5957
    @richpetro5957 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You should know that the shutter button sensitivity is adjustable in the menus. It has an option to have half-button release on or off. Turn it off and you have a normal shutter button.

    • @neonbirding2680
      @neonbirding2680 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly, I shoot the long lenses with G9 and I keep it in burst mode all the time. The hair-trigger shutter, allows for super fast and smooth bursting without any jerk of the camera. Takes some getting use-to, and with Back Button focus, the hair trigger is a great tool to have.

  • @nerdMike
    @nerdMike 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    About the silent shooting, does the camera reduce raw depth on Electronic Shutter o EFC like on G7 and G9? Good to shoot silent but if this degrade quality is not so good.

  • @kngkunaat
    @kngkunaat 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats the name/brand of his huge backpack? Quality video TCSTV, thx!

  • @richardbergeron4383
    @richardbergeron4383 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome review Chris and Jordan (as usual). I love what I'm seeing with the new G9, so I'm now selling my G85 with kit lens, and throwing in 3 G85 batteries and an Alturo sling bag. Then I can purchase the new G9. Where would the best place be for me to sell my G85??

  • @OlegYuferov
    @OlegYuferov 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for video. i was waited for it. But what about comparing this cam with fuji xt-2? it has bigger sensor , good amount of lenses ...

  • @weplaywax
    @weplaywax 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Photographer's camera my ass. Mic input, headphone output, decent pre-amps, full HDMI connector with 4K output at 30 FPS in 8-bit 4:2:2 format, 60 FPS, Slow Motion, 5-axis Dual IBIS, 2 card slots, flip screen, bigger battery and USB power. Guys you don't understand! This is the budget GH5 we have all been waiting for. Panasonic made this camera for video, not photo. For photo, they will be releasing their Full Frame line this year. Just think about it!

    • @notme1998
      @notme1998 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      gh5's prices dropped down quite a bit actually

    • @JohnSoh
      @JohnSoh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's obv it's a photo camera first with capable video features for enthusiasts since video is limited to 10 and 30 min for 4k60 and 4k30 respectively and since they skimped out on other shooting modes and professional video features. The heat sink and build design is made to support high burst rates for photos instead of dissipating heat during hot 4k video recording so no I don't agree with you.

  • @chanjiachi
    @chanjiachi 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the review and the video guy who popped out of nowhere.

  • @cmartin_ok
    @cmartin_ok 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video.... G9 or Nikon D500 for fast action sports?

  • @tomedwards81
    @tomedwards81 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not for me, but an impressive camera nonetheless and one of the best Camera Store reviews I’ve ever seen. 👏🏼

  • @MyNorthAmetican40
    @MyNorthAmetican40 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So now what do I get. The Olympus omdem1.2 or the Lumix G9. I'm primarily a stills shooter coming from full frame nikon.

  • @mountainhobo
    @mountainhobo 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jordan, how is the RX10 IV review coming along?

  • @MichaelBillerbeck
    @MichaelBillerbeck 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh, I love that snowy country side.
    What I would be interested in to know: Does the teleconverter, which came out with the 200mm lens, also work with the 100-400mm ?

  • @chadstrohmayer541
    @chadstrohmayer541 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about Time lapse, Long exposure? Esp for night sky images?

  • @fredbrackely
    @fredbrackely 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very impressive

  • @SoloBikeTrips
    @SoloBikeTrips 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    i ' m confused what scene shot on GH5 or G9

  • @HDSY05
    @HDSY05 ปีที่แล้ว

    great camera.

  • @IslandFilmMaker
    @IslandFilmMaker 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like where Panasonic is going with there G Camera line MFT camera system. From the Gh4 or 5, the G9 for stills , and now the GH5s with it's low light capabilities gives great versatility on a grand scale. What I think we all want to see now is a line of new "FAST PRIME LENSES" in the f1.0 range that are small, light, weather sealed, portable, and most of all affordable :)

  • @techno_techie2923
    @techno_techie2923 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would love to see the low light. You guys may have sold me on this because it has so much appeal in terms of size (for travel) and lens selection. I am between this and the a7iii. There is just a dearth of lens selection for the alphas and the size of the alphas is great but the FF glass is still huge. I love the look of the om-d e-m1 mkii, but this seems so feature-rich for the price. DECISIONS!!

  • @joegrossinger3381
    @joegrossinger3381 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like shooting video at events like fairs, farmers markets, news and so on. Can I use the G9 for handheld videos?

  • @CGPhotoKandou
    @CGPhotoKandou 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    do you guys think this is a good camera for hybrid shooting most of the time photos like fashion photos and concerts event photography but also fashion videos and concert videos? :) usemy gh4 so far and i like it so far. The stabilizer would be amazing in myopinion as i likeusing prime lenses which sadly dont have stabilizer.

  • @martinweber3859
    @martinweber3859 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The speed of video autofocus was severely dependent of the frame rate in older models. How about the G9?

  • @vpr5562
    @vpr5562 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys, could you please share what was the name of the Joe's awesome big bag?

  • @ItsAMbutyoutubechangedmyname
    @ItsAMbutyoutubechangedmyname 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay here is probebly a question you guys have got 1000 times and then some this one maby have a twist. Im a nikon shooter i love my Nikkons the glas etc etc that i have and to be honest i cant se my self shooting with something else BUT here is my dilemma a few months ago I was in a car accident and now I have come to the part where I have to look for another camera and gear. My Nikons are now to heavy even with my smallest leans . What camera would you guys recommend that is on the lighter side but still in class better or similar as lets say my nikon D5 ?

  • @LetsGoOutdoors
    @LetsGoOutdoors 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    While filming with the G9 I have noticed the countdown is indicated in terms of how long I have shot a video clip but then it defaults back to 29:55 It doesn't give me a time remaining on the card? Any one else have this issue?

  • @InDepthAdventures
    @InDepthAdventures 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    you guys gonna review the GX9?

  • @mannysegovia9339
    @mannysegovia9339 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    please3x do a review of old camera canon g3 x.. thank you

  • @danieldougan8613
    @danieldougan8613 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you at least output 10-bit to an external recorder? Just wondering if the G9 is a camera that will grow with me later if I get to more advanced video recording.

  • @simianinc
    @simianinc 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the Teleconverter from Panasonic or does the Olympus one work with it?

  • @MysticCaravan
    @MysticCaravan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the left most dial in the car dashboard right at the intro? It looks like maybe RPMs but its like at 0. Somethings wrong ?

  • @jankarlsson8341
    @jankarlsson8341 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah, finally!

  • @dj.adrianbit.4730
    @dj.adrianbit.4730 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do not see any difference on contrast, light and color in Adobe camera RAW when i shooting in raw with color profiles ( Normal,Natural,CinelikeD/V ) . Panasonic G9

  • @edsbloggingcom
    @edsbloggingcom 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful pictures. What backpack is Joe having?

    • @erincthomson
      @erincthomson 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      edsblogging. com He has an F-Stop Backpack, not sure exactly which one fstopgear.com/

  • @petebuoy
    @petebuoy 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys I know I keep asking the same question, but ... what you think if I put metabone smart adapter, for m43 to Canon, and then put on top Tamron 150-600 Zoom lens, will it work for video?
    It will be on tripod. And also can also add teleconverter in a mix, like 1.4x or even 2x. will it work with G9? You have all the gear, can you tell me if it even will work? I really need loooong lens.

  • @Smoothblue90
    @Smoothblue90 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am very interested in the burst viewfinder experience of the G9 versus the Olympus M1.2 for mechanical shutter high speed burst in the 9 to 12 fps speed range for shooting runners, soccer players, and skateboarders. What was said about the G9 shaky viewfinder experience bothers me. I don't just want good results. I want an enjoyable shooting experience. I am a tactile person who cares about how the knobs look and work and how the camera feels and looks in operation. Which camera has the better experience? Does the viewfinder black out? Is the viewfinder more or less of a live view experience? Does the viewfinder show the current focus point group or focus point used positions? My Olympus M1.1 at 9 fps mechanical shutter shows the last picture taken, without indicating the location of the focus point. I would prefer more of a live few experience with visible focus points.