I've been using Odin 2 forever. I never expected it to replace a real guitar player. I take what I come up with to a guitar player who can instantly figure out what I'm trying to do. It makes collaboration sooo much easier between a writer like me who doesn't play and a real player who can.
This reminds me of RealLPC 5. A midi guitar modeled from a Les Paul Custom. When I do metal I use RealLPC and Modo Bass because I'm a drummer. I don't have any musical friends , so I have to do everything on my own. But this seems a bit better and more simplified. I think I'll get this. Thanks for the video. You don't see things like this on TH-cam much. Especially as in depth as this.
Right, so I found this video/channel by accident since I'm currently working on reviving our old death metal band using VST's. (Long story) So the VST I was going to use is Prominy's V-Metal. Haven't seen the entire video yet, but if you know, which one is the better one, V-Metal or Odin 3?
22:48 I think you may have mixed up "Latching" and "Non-Latching". What you prefer (and I also very much prefer as well) is "Non-Latching", wherein you actually have to keep the keyswitch pressed for the whole duration that you need it, and thus the intention is clear at any point in time in the piano roll (and of course, it snaps to the default articulation when no keyswitch is pressed).
I think this is fantastic tech. Sampled instruments are excellent tools for composing -- occasionally the finished product (folks do this all the time with orchestral libraries). This is true even if you are a guitarist and simply want to write some music if your axe/rig simply is not handy.
Hey man, I've slowly been putting them up on Spotify but I have been slacking, haha. I have just one song up at the moment, but yeah, more are coming! open.spotify.com/playlist/48rQSoe4dQNxEe95n8omTZ
Isn't it much easier and time efficient to simply use a guitar and a midi converter? Serious question! I love this Odin VST but I am asking myself if it isnt too time consuming moving all of these notes blocks around
I don't see how it would be easier or more time efficient. But I guess it kind of depends on what are we comparing it with? Drawing it on midi roll or playing it with keyboard or what? Moving the notes around take a few second, recording a new take takes way more time.
Great plugin! As a keyboardist/composer my music has lots of guitars. However I do not have time to play in a band or work with an actual guitarist. The Odin III is the next best thing.
@@ChernobylAudio666 Interesting :) what is it you like most compared to s3? (tone can be adjusted with external amps, so most interested in the DI), but is the articulations better/more detailed etc? I'm asking as I haven't tried odin myself, only S3.
@@mattiasboden2329 It's just so much easier to use and faster for me. For my personal purposes, It's a pre-production tool that helps me write music and I've just had a lot of success using Odin over the years.
Hey mate, great video! :) You said that tremolo picking is a bit of a struggle here. I was wondering how tremolo articulation would work in that? (I saw it in articulation list) I'm quite into black metal and post rock myself, so I'm curious if it helps. :)
How good it sounds depends heavily on the amp used. Unless I missed it you didn't discuss. There was a quick peak though. So that would require another $150 bucks making it twice the cost of Shreddage and Ample all up. (Shreddage and Ample have built in). I can't see any big deal about double clicking in the library panel to open up an instrument in Kontakt, maybe it was different 14 years ago. However I'm still interested in this thing if the improved nuances are worth it to me and also I already have guitar rig for the amp simulation. I have shreddage and ample and I should probably stop right there but I like a shiny new thing.
Hi Scott, many thanks for your great videos. I've already learned a lot from you. And although you put a lot of effort into programming the midi, Odin 3 sounds very artificial, which is a pity. In my opinion, the most realistic VST guitars are still V Metal by Prominy and heavier7 Strings. Without working with many keyswitches or midi ccs they just sound much more realistic. With heavier7 Strings there is even a chord recognition for chords that are played through, which is often used in black metal.
I don't know if midi guitar will ever be able to hide the characteristics that make it sound like midi. Not as well as drum and bass emulators have become in recent years. But, holy shit does this one sound awesome. Especially when I'm still used to demoing parts in Super Nintendo guitars.
Okay, fine. What about the guy who isn't a guitar player that wants to write music? What about a guy like me who can't play lead guitar but has ideas for lead guitars? It's not all about you, champ.
@@zvonimirbaljak76 haha you wish, at the end most of the people is not a musician, and they don't even know and don't care if the music was made it by a machine, they don't hear any difference at all, if the song is good, who cares how it was created or produced?, that only affect geeks who claims they can hear the difference between 48khs and 98khz haha or any small diffetrence in audio, they are lying, and of course musicians that maybe will lose their job due to this tools haha, but as a producer I am totally on favor of this technology haha
@@marioaguilera9463I loved your comment and I support you, consult on this guitar do you think it is easier to play MIDI on the keyboard and make more decent and real palm mutes than the shredage hydra guitars?? the same doubt goes towards the distortions
@@eduosan well I'm a pianist and I program most of my projects by myself, bass , drums, synths, but for guitars because of the many variations you have and the articulations you need to make this Odin III to sound awesome I use the midi editor ans write the parts, I can play the parts but at the end I will be quantizing and editing velocities for palm mutes so I think is better yo write in the midi editor IMHO and for distortion neural dsp are my go to and sound is killer always
Thanks for checking it out, Scott !
You're the man! I sincerely appreciate the friendship over the years and what you bring to the table for shitty guitar players like myself! 😂Cheers!
I've been using Odin 2 forever. I never expected it to replace a real guitar player. I take what I come up with to a guitar player who can instantly figure out what I'm trying to do. It makes collaboration sooo much easier between a writer like me who doesn't play and a real player who can.
This reminds me of RealLPC 5. A midi guitar modeled from a Les Paul Custom. When I do metal I use RealLPC and Modo Bass because I'm a drummer. I don't have any musical friends , so I have to do everything on my own. But this seems a bit better and more simplified. I think I'll get this.
Thanks for the video. You don't see things like this on TH-cam much. Especially as in depth as this.
Used this while touring because we couldn't record in the van while driving, so useful!
If you have midi notes already written, this should be able to load up and play those notes no issues correct?
Very very useful to have in your toolbox! 🤘
Right, so I found this video/channel by accident since I'm currently working on reviving our old death metal band using VST's. (Long story)
So the VST I was going to use is Prominy's V-Metal. Haven't seen the entire video yet, but if you know, which one is the better one, V-Metal or Odin 3?
I'd probably go with Odin 3.. it's the one I have the most experience with and it sounds just fine!
22:48 I think you may have mixed up "Latching" and "Non-Latching". What you prefer (and I also very much prefer as well) is "Non-Latching", wherein you actually have to keep the keyswitch pressed for the whole duration that you need it, and thus the intention is clear at any point in time in the piano roll (and of course, it snaps to the default articulation when no keyswitch is pressed).
I no can do the talking! 😂
@@ChernobylAudio666 lol.
How much data is required
Hey does this work easily with a midi controller when writing chords/riffs?
I think this is fantastic tech. Sampled instruments are excellent tools for composing -- occasionally the finished product (folks do this all the time with orchestral libraries). This is true even if you are a guitarist and simply want to write some music if your axe/rig simply is not handy.
Where can we listen to your personal songs/compositions ?
Hey man, I've slowly been putting them up on Spotify but I have been slacking, haha. I have just one song up at the moment, but yeah, more are coming! open.spotify.com/playlist/48rQSoe4dQNxEe95n8omTZ
@@ChernobylAudio666 Nice, keep it coming 👍🏼
Man Odin and Loki are very awesome! I definitely need to check this plugin! Really cool video dude!
Sounds really good 🤘
Could see myself doing ideas with these whenever I’m not at home with a guitar at hand
Love your demos dude ❤️🤘
Love the song
Alternating palm mutes with open didn't sound convincing tbh but tapping was great
Isn't it much easier and time efficient to simply use a guitar and a midi converter? Serious question! I love this Odin VST but I am asking myself if it isnt too time consuming moving all of these notes blocks around
I don't see how it would be easier or more time efficient. But I guess it kind of depends on what are we comparing it with? Drawing it on midi roll or playing it with keyboard or what? Moving the notes around take a few second, recording a new take takes way more time.
Great plugin! As a keyboardist/composer my music has lots of guitars. However I do not have time to play in a band or work with an actual guitarist. The Odin III is the next best thing.
Hi Scott :) if you could only have one, would you have this one or shreddage hydra 3?
Odin 3!
@@ChernobylAudio666 Interesting :) what is it you like most compared to s3? (tone can be adjusted with external amps, so most interested in the DI), but is the articulations better/more detailed etc? I'm asking as I haven't tried odin myself, only S3.
@@mattiasboden2329 It's just so much easier to use and faster for me. For my personal purposes, It's a pre-production tool that helps me write music and I've just had a lot of success using Odin over the years.
Hey mate, great video! :) You said that tremolo picking is a bit of a struggle here. I was wondering how tremolo articulation would work in that? (I saw it in articulation list) I'm quite into black metal and post rock myself, so I'm curious if it helps. :)
How good it sounds depends heavily on the amp used. Unless I missed it you didn't discuss. There was a quick peak though. So that would require another $150 bucks making it twice the cost of Shreddage and Ample all up. (Shreddage and Ample have built in). I can't see any big deal about double clicking in the library panel to open up an instrument in Kontakt, maybe it was different 14 years ago. However I'm still interested in this thing if the improved nuances are worth it to me and also I already have guitar rig for the amp simulation. I have shreddage and ample and I should probably stop right there but I like a shiny new thing.
There is an included rhythm/lead/clean amp sound, it's a 5150 style sound.
@@ChernobylAudio666Hello friend, can this guitar be played using the midi keyboard? does it include clean guitar sound?
Hi Scott, many thanks for your great videos. I've already learned a lot from you.
And although you put a lot of effort into programming the midi, Odin 3 sounds very artificial, which is a pity.
In my opinion, the most realistic VST guitars are still V Metal by Prominy and heavier7 Strings. Without working with many keyswitches or midi ccs they just sound much more realistic. With heavier7 Strings there is even a chord recognition for chords that are played through, which is often used in black metal.
Sounds great, seems like we have come far in terms of the ease of writing. guitar used to be a headache to write in midi.
Thinking about how it had to be done in Kontakt 4 just makes appreciate where we are now.
@@ChernobylAudio666 agreed, thanks for the content man.
Great stuff for people like me who hate playing Metal riffs (and i play it too)....
Those 'highs' (freq.) pierced my ears so bad!
Damn! Sucks to know that your ears suck! 😝
@@ChernobylAudio666 this mix is super bright honestly
The pronunciation of the Viking names 😱
😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
I don't know if midi guitar will ever be able to hide the characteristics that make it sound like midi. Not as well as drum and bass emulators have become in recent years. But, holy shit does this one sound awesome. Especially when I'm still used to demoing parts in Super Nintendo guitars.
there is no guitar sampler an never will be that can play like real guitar player. real player, real guitar. that is only solution for good tone.
Okay, fine. What about the guy who isn't a guitar player that wants to write music? What about a guy like me who can't play lead guitar but has ideas for lead guitars? It's not all about you, champ.
@@ChernobylAudio666 you didnt under stand me. you can record demos but for real production sampler will never sound like real guitar.
@@zvonimirbaljak76 haha you wish, at the end most of the people is not a musician, and they don't even know and don't care if the music was made it by a machine, they don't hear any difference at all, if the song is good, who cares how it was created or produced?, that only affect geeks who claims they can hear the difference between 48khs and 98khz haha or any small diffetrence in audio, they are lying, and of course musicians that maybe will lose their job due to this tools haha, but as a producer I am totally on favor of this technology haha
@@marioaguilera9463I loved your comment and I support you, consult on this guitar do you think it is easier to play MIDI on the keyboard and make more decent and real palm mutes than the shredage hydra guitars?? the same doubt goes towards the distortions
@@eduosan well I'm a pianist and I program most of my projects by myself, bass , drums, synths, but for guitars because of the many variations you have and the articulations you need to make this Odin III to sound awesome I use the midi editor ans write the parts, I can play the parts but at the end I will be quantizing and editing velocities for palm mutes so I think is better yo write in the midi editor IMHO and for distortion neural dsp are my go to and sound is killer always