Broken Withers and Broken Eyelids
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มี.ค. 2023
- Mandy came to us recently but a colic lead to a sooner-than-planned medical evaluation. Previously damaged withers were not the only problems this poor girl was experiencing.
Hopi, meanwhile, decided to scratch her healing eyelid, making Dr Nancy evaluate it again.
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Dr Nancy, you are a great asset to the Horse Plus team. Thank you for joining.
I have really come to be fond of her and respect her.
Veterinarians never cease to amaze me. The degree and depth of knowledge required to treat multiple species is immense. Tack on the critical need ethical decision making and the emotional intelligence required to feel compassion and empathy while compartmentalizing enough to take care of yourself... it takes a certain kind of person to excel at this profession.
And they treat animals that can and probably do sometimes severely injure them.
Dealing solely and expressly with the heart, alone, is never a good thing - not for any party. That's why God gave us a "head" 😂
"Be soft as a Dove and wise as a serpent" ✝️
I rescued an emaciated mare from auction one time, and she was so impacted that the vet thought the mass was cancer (she was a grey). He treated the colic anyway, but I wasn't ready to put her down, as I only had her 3 days. I walked her and walked her. Had a friend come over to help. She brought me an orange popcicle, but Mis Fortune wanted it. That's when I thought we had a chance. Kept walking her. I knew we had to get her to pass that mass. Gave her a warm, sloppy mash and she gobbled it up. Kept walking. At 11pm, she finally pooped! Huge mass of dry, hard poop. And full of worms. I took Mis to the vet a month later for follow-up, and he was shocked she was still alive. She was the sweetest girl, and I loved her so. Her early neglect finally caught up with her, and arthritis in her knees got her down and colicing. I had to let her go. We estimated her at 11-12 when I got her, and she lived to be about 22. I don't think she would have survived that colic if I had gotten her at 22.
Oh wow so she had so wonderful years with you. Bless you for what you did for her ❤ so sad and makes one so angry when you see how humans treat animals 😢
The only thing worse than putting down a 25-year-old horse is keeping a 25-year-old horse alive to continue suffering from multiple issues when the outcome's going to be the same eventually anyway. Much better to give her a final day of treats and love and let her go gently than to make her endure the pain for a few more months or years with increasingly poor quality of life.
I agree totally!!
Better to send them on a good note, than in a bad way.
I think it's sad that so many people think that 25 is "old" for a horse. That should be retirement age, and not hospice age. I've got a 23 year old Belgian cross mare that looks, acts, drives, and rides like she's 10. She's semi-retired, but only because I've got other horses that need schooling, too, and don't have time to ride or drive her every day.
Mandy had had a rough life. Bringing her peace was the best thing for her. Poor thing 😥
So nice to see a rescue with vet help on site so they get better intake as far as health. It's a truly beautiful thing to behold. Thank you for what you folks do.
This Channel is shaping up beautifully. I find the explanation of your thought processes very informative and can clearly see why you came to the decision to euthanise. There will always be voices suggesting that horses are being euthanised for no reason but this channel goes a long way to counteract their arguments. Good work Dr. Nancy & Team. ☘️🇮🇪
Well said 'UT'.
True
@Open2OpenUT you said this so well. I agree with you 100% on every word.
You are a God-send, Dr Nancy. You don't need to justify your decisions. You are the vet, the expert. So very glad you are there
One of the most important things I've learned over many years of animal care, is to let our animals go before they hit rock bottom. It never gets any easier, but letting them go on a good day is so much better than waiting until they are struggling just to breathe etc.
Which they only do because of us, and because of their bond and love for us.
It's the final act of love and most powerful last gift we can give.
I lost two of my doggos in 2019. In my video of one of my dogs Pinky, she's full of pee & vinegar playing with me, being her bossy lil self in my backyard, on the day I let her go. She was happy and doesn't appear sick at all. Especially for an almost 19yr old dog. When my vet arrived to euthanize her, Pinky fell asleep quickly with a wee doggie smile on her face.
I'm also a massive advocate for euthanizeing if at all possible, at home. There's a major difference in that our animals aren't scared or feeling anxious. It's literally just another day around the home with the people they care about and their favorite blanket, toys or dog bed. (As for cost, it's actually not much more.) So this is the second most important last gift we can give. For both my girls in 2019, I cut a piece of my hair off and tied it around their paws. Such a tiny thing to do, but it's a final thank you as well as continues the where you go, I go too.
Now it's time for my 16yr old blind and deaf since birth, dachshund. His heart is failing.
Yes, I could probably keep him going for another 6 months. But why do that to him when each day is harder and harder, and I know he's only doing it for me?
So we are going to spend the next few days having fun together, lots of cuddles, then let him fly free with one paw wrapped with my hair.
RIP Skeeter(Mosquito 🦟)😥🙏🏼🌈💜
You're a caring animal caretaker.
I’m so sorry for the losses of loved members of your family
I always think one week early is better than a day late
A truly good humane dog owner…thank you for your comments and always putting your dogs first 🥰
I find watching you and the thought process behind the tough choices you have to make very insightful...Best wishes from England UK 🇬🇧
Dr Nancy is so caring and explains everything so thoroughly! What a great addition to your organization!!
Again, Dr. Nancy, I give you total respect for making the tough but kind decisions. It must be emotionally exhausting to deal with this. Stay strong in the knowledge that you are doing right by these horses when no-one else has treated them right. Kudos.
Amen!
I asked my horse vet years ago how he managed to deal with that. He said that knowing he's the one who can help makes it easier to deal with.
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This is gold, I love all of this, wonderful information. So much learning, love and amazing folks.❤️
Dr Nancy is such a great teacher! Horse Plus is truly blessed!
This POOR baby girl. It's disgusting to me how cruel people can be to God's most beautiful creations. I'm happy she was surrounded by loving people that cared enough for her to do this last act of kindness. She's running free in the clouds.
Thank you for explaining that the long term quality of life for the horse is the big picture you look at, and how this horse is on a decline, and the best thing is to let them go before they are truly in bad pain, knowing that is just around the corner.
It sucks you had euthanized her, but preventing her from living day in pain and increasing pain is the kindest thing you could do for her. That wither injury would just get progressively worse. Poor girl saw things you can tell just by the shape she is in.
Thank you Dr. Nancy for taking care of these poor horses.
I am so glad you are part of this rescue. It is extremely important to me that horses don't have to suffer or suffer being hauled from auctions. You are doing God's work in the helping of these horses especially if they need the last act of kindness. I can hardly wrap my mind around they way people bring those that are at the end of life to an auction. All of mine I have kept into old age the oldest passing at 36 yrs of age, I don't get how people throw animals away like trash once they have got their "use" out of them be it horses dogs or what ever species it may be. Bless you for doing this. I know it's hard on you. You love horses like the rest of us. Do what you have to do knowing God looks upon you with a thank you.
Agree 100%.
Really appreciating this new addition to the HPHS family! A great learning experience and Dr. Nancy is really good at communicating what is going on and how she approaches her work with her lovely patients. Thanks for another learning experience! Be well.
I really love your new veterinarian! This poor girl has been through a knothole backwards. I agree with the decision completely. I'm old enough to have gone through crises with animals, and hindsight is that I waited too long. Now that I'm over 60 and have arthritis back/neck/pain, I wouldn't want to suffer with a combination of problems so I agree❤️
That mare looks tired. She looks sad. She's painful. She's old and you can not fix her withers and make her pain free. There is only one logical choice. Why drag it out, allow her to suffer when you already know how this ends? Every euthanasia is sad but it is necessary. No domesticated animal should suffer. As humans it is our responsibility to do what's right.
Your organization has nothing to explain, a wonderful group of caring loving people. You are there in the moment living it, making very tough decisions. We are on a phone or computer making arm chair decisions. Keep doing what is necessary and God bless
Thank you for breaking down the things taken into consideration when deciding the fate of these beautiful animals. It's several things. Not just age or that it costs money to fix it. Quality of life is the most important thing. I love your compassion. Keep up the awesome work you all do.
Dr. Nancy, thank you so much for doing the best thing for this sweet lady. We used to have dogs and too many times my mother would keep them way too long after they should have been given the last act of kindness. People really need to do what you all do and care enough to think of them instead of themselves and let them go.
I am so pleased with Dr. Nancy evaluating these horses so thoughly, its a shame that Horse Plus has to make the decision for the last act of kindness, I realize other rescues do not have the resources that Horse Plus has I just hope it doesn't turn into a dumping ground for horses needing put down.
It was a good decision Dr Nancy. Your compassion is incomparable. Blessing to you!
❤ Thank You for the teaching moments. I’ve had horses but I’ve never had a vet that was willing to teach so you knew exactly what they were talking about. This videos are so helpful. Please keep them coming. I’ve totally enjoyed everyone of them.
Love this VET section of Horse Plus. I'm into medical stuff. I've been the "vet" of this family. I Dr up injuries & medicate all critters, I groom too.
Lol, I do humans too
Love your show! You are wonderful Dr. Nancy, such a perfect fit for this show!
HUGE KUDOS TO EVERYONE 👍 for pitching in to clean out all the stalls Once again my hats off to Angela and Keith. Angela was actually going to clean all those stalls by herself 😮 what a trooper!! And Keith driving all the way to the auction, to get that poor downed "big lick" horse to the vet asap. He needed the last act of kindness so badly 😢 Dr. Nancy was sooo missed, but y'all jumped in and did whatever needed to be done to help all the horses Y'all are my "HERO'S"!! Great job HPHS STAFF 👍. Everyone was so helpful even though you were working on a skeleton crew. You all rock!! Love and Blessings to EVERYONE at HPHS ❤️🙌 Jennifer
Thank you Doctor Nancy for taking in the fact that she is very sick and very painful. A lot of people don't understand that horses suffer like people do I give you a lot of credit but the wonderful work that you do
Dr. Nancy is awesome. She cares deeply for the animals and I believe she does what is in their best interest always. Regardless of the negative opinions about the last act of kindness, she will inspite of that, do what is best for the animals. I respect Dr. Nancy and would never second guess her ability as a vet. She is intelligent, highly skilled, and thoughtful. What a blessing.
Tough decisions to make I’m sure. These animals are so fortunate to be under your care.
I agree with Dr. Nancy 100% it's such a shame she is leaving.
I am a retired RN with a specialty in Hospice--Quality of life vs Quanity. Excellent diagnosing and decision-imho. And to head off any comments-no we can't do this for humans -they can make their own decisions- our animal campanions cannot
I completely agree with the decision to put Mandy down. I have the same strategy in mind for my 30+ mare. She has had many minor colics, but if she has a severe one, I will take this same route. Once they colic, they're likely to colic again. She's already past her normal lifespan...if it comes down to it, I will opt to send her out on a high note, and not in an emergency.
Proof positive that you have genuine love for your horse. You're awesome, Terry.
@@maxine7088 Thank you, Maxine, I appreciate that. I will meet with resistance at her boarding place, but I will take a page from Dr. Nancy here and do what's right. End of story! I've put down 4, it's never easy but when you know you're relieving suffering, it changes things.
Hopi is such a pretty girl!
Thanks for taking such good care of them all, Dr. Nancy!
Great video. This team is extremely talented at providing engaging content
Thank you for putting reality ahead of emotion. What is perceived as love for prolonging life is actually prolonging the animal’s suffering.
I've watched you about 10 times every horse vet + I will miss you Nancy oxox hope 2 see you again ❤❤
hey,Doc,you have my utmost respect.
Thank you Dr Nancy for your thorough explanations, your expertise and your care for the animals.
Poor Mandy 😢. It's unfortunate that she has so many physical problems 😣.
We’ve always made quality of life decisions for our pets…we’ve never kept an animal alive because it was emotionally easier for us. Each time it broke our hearts, but we’ve never regretted the decision. Thank you for making that same decision. As someone in constant severe pain I know what that’s like. As a human I choose to go on for those I love and who love me…that love compensates for my limited life. Animals live entirely in the moment which means they live entirely in pain, without the compensation and distractions I enjoy. We are going to have to say goodbye to our much love elderly Boxer who has the canine version of ALS. We will soon have to say goodbye as he’s losing the use of his back legs. We are grieving. I’ve watched people protract the lives of pets with cancer, etc., and that hurts a lot more. I understand and try not to judge but it doesn’t feel like an ethical choice to me.
Love this channel. I have a soft spot for Ginger.
Isnt Ginger a darling? I think Dr Nancy should keep an eye on her - some of us may try to squirrel her away and have her in our paddocks..... lol
I am becoming disturbed by how many horses are being put down. I get how you are a rescue and some of the more heroic saves I see on other sites are impossible. But, it is hard to see so many being put down. It must be hard on you as well.
I think that is kind of unfair. They are rescuing the ones that nobody else is. And they do what can be done and that includes giving them a peaceful end if necessary. You can’t compare with heroic saves in other sites, they are not taking these horses.
Humans are the only animals who are routinely denied the last acts of kindness. HPHS always does what is in the best interest of the animal.
FYI; the horse's name is pronounced Hope ee. She must be named after the Indian tribe here in Arizona.
Sure appreciate your new vet's explanations and reasoning out the overall conditions!
I loved the 'Hoppy' lol!
Love !earning and watching thank you all at 🐴 plus .👋💚☘️🇮🇪
I’m glad that Dr Nancy puts the horses needs first instead of doing everything to keep an animal alive just to prolong its suffering. She’s the expert not us!
Dr. Nancy thank you for taking the time to explain everything so clearly. Cheers from South America Uruguay 🇺🇾
Thanks, Dr. and all the staff for all you do. God bless you all!!!
Super evaluation. Complete respect to Dr.
I just love how dainty Ginger is.
Also, I love how all of the other horses came out to say hello 😂🎉❤
Dr. Nancy you are definitely one of a kind!☺️ Your knowledge, manner on how you treat the horses medically and compassionately is outstanding….😲🥰 The way you explain all the ailments and procedures are very straight to the point without all the medical jargon we wouldn’t understand. Your channel was recommended to me by TH-cam and I immediately subscribed. Good luck with the growth of your channel….Excellent videos!👏🏼 May God Bless you Doctor, your staff and all the noble horses. Lots of best wishes send from Canada🙏🏼🍀👋🏼🇨🇦
Thank you for helping Mandy and did let her go. I feel so sorry for her, but the best is to let go. Thank you Dr Nancy for doing whats best for her. Love you for it.
Thank you Dr. Nancy. 🙏 ❤️
Goodness that poor old horse has gone through some things in her life.
I know a horse with broken withers that is not in pain. They fused at one point and she can be ridden lightly. Her owner is a vet and I’ve seen her X-rays.
Is the horse you know young? This poor horse is old and has many other problems as well. Each case is different.
My girl had to be put down to a twisted gut from Colic. It's devastating to see your loved horse in so much pain. Still makes me cry.
That's my biggest fear. My mare is 30+ and has had a number of minor colic incidents, all of which have been caught, and she was fine after some banamine. I'm afraid if it happens in the middle of the night, it will be another story. I saw a horse in severe colic, and it's something you can never unsee. I'm sorry about your mare.
@Terry, my girl was between 30-35, and the colic was caused by the land owner. He knew nothing about horses or other animals except dogs. He bought a cow for butchering (not a steer), but when it was taken for butchering, he had some oats left over. Threw them out for the birds, and my girl got into them. She was an easy keeper since alfalfa wasn't needed. Couldn't put her on free grass hay bales cause, even that caused laminitis. Didn't know till after the fact that he threw out the oats. Two vet visits later she had to be put down.
@@susankoehler2883 Oh, how awful! My girl was also the victm of an ignorant keeper. You would think that people running a therapeutic riding program would have horse experience, but you would be wrong. I never even thought to ask that question when I boarded her there. The guy decided in winter that she was fat, and cut her feed drastically. She dropped about 100 lbs., got diarrhea, and colicked. He never even mentioned the feed change to me until afterward. I rescued a bunch of starved horses, but this girl was not one of those. i hated that she had to learn what hunger was, after a whole life without that info. I pitched a fit and they fixed the feed situation, though it took her the rest of the next year to gain it back.
I'm so sorry you and your girl had to go through that. I haven't replaced my girl, but we now have our own property, and hubby's medical horse is a short walk down our driveway to her. Even when we had them at someone else's property, we took care of their feedings and went every day. That's what was so devastating about it. We had just seen her about 8 hours before she went down. We got her back up, and I spent hours there walking her. Couldn't even get her regular vet to her since he was out of town. What hurt the most is that I couldn't even bury her. She had to go to the landfill. The landowner had no equipment and couldn't get anyone to do it.
@@susankoehler2883 so sorry that something already bad was made worse.
Dr.Nancy I definitely enjoy your segments you're quite informative I've learned a lot from you may God-bless you and the work that. You do and keep you safe and healthy from the Old Man in Tampa Florida.
I bet that poor horse was still being ridden with broken withers..must have been in such a lot of pain .. and blind and an older lady..so sad to let her go but i know it was the right decision..rest in peace beautiful lady..and Hopi did heal wwhh aa she got adopted and it had all healed nict
Great episode bc there's a great deal of information being shared about equine health, training & behavior. This team is really beginning to pull together in a way that wasn't possible before with certain former employees.
Good job, crew!
Oh Tawnee and Jason. What a breath of fresh air Dr Nancy is. Dr Nancy is gifted in my opinion to explain everything she is doing. Go Dr. Nancy. You’re the greatest. 🫶🫶🇦🇺🇦🇺
When I did dachshund rescue,for ten years
A shelter in Boston MA would call me to pick up dogs,dachshunds with serious behavior problems that needed the last act
I finally stopped taking dogs from them,they didn't want to deal with humane euthanasia
Our percentage rate of euthanasia was 4% not bad
I helped place foster and transport almost 400 dachshunds in ten years
Very rewarding!!!!
Love this show !!!
That's so wonderful. Thank you for your dedication. I love folks like you.
Dr Nancy thank you so very much for the information and nknowledge
Dr. Nancy is great. I wish she ran the country!
Always a tough decision. I know you do what is best for the horse and I thank you for that.
I totally agree with your decision for this poor mare. She is 25 and long term she’s not going to get better. I know your thinking of her long term prognosis.
I rescued a couple mares years ago that were really bad off. They got a few months of being spoiled before being PTS when walking became a challenge. One was drugged and being sold as a child’s horse. The cruelty of people amazes me sometimes. Another rescue mare kept throwing people, I later found out she had been impaled on a T Post years before(so she had pain). I gave her away as a broodmare(not to be ridden), and those people put their kid on her. These were well known trainers… He got injured and she got sent to slaughter. They stopped all contact with me, I had to find out from another person what happened. She didn’t deserve it. Now I’m afraid to ever rehome a horse again.
Awesome work and awesome videos, keep them coming! Super interesting!!
Such a great and informing channel!
Can’t imagine having a broken withers ,,,so sad
Loving your channel!!!
That poor girl. Her ear cartilage damage is probably from someone doing an ear twitch which is extremely cruel.
Wonderful channel. Keep up the great work! This is very educational.
Simply delaying suffering, is increasing suffering and really isn’t ethical or right. What those who judge don’t realise is that every decision weighs on you - you have to live with yourself and today you made the best possible decision.
Delaying relief.
Good catch Cory on eye of bay mare. Dr N. Gave easy to understand explanation of different conditions .
Love your channel ❤
Poor girl, how is any owner able to sleep at night allowing their horse go through this much pain? People suck. Hopi says "NO TOUCHY!!"
Dr. Nancy….tip my hat ma’am ♥️
Totally respect Dr nancy
Well done doc
The worst decision a human has to make is end of life care, either for another human or an animal. I don’t want my loved ones of any species to ever suffer, esp if the suffering is only prolonging their discomfort or if the creature is so affect by an ailment that they’re no longer themselves. That’s when it’s time to let them go peacefully
Hey Dr. Nacy. You may the right decision on Mandy. Poor Mandy girl. She is cute. But we can't make her suffer anymore. And she going to free of pain. RIP little Mandy. And walk the rain bow brige.
RIP Mandy... 😢🌈🐴💚
The horse has no long term life without pain, there's no others choice but to put her down. I hate that it has to happen, but sometimes the hard decisions is the best one.
Dr Nancy is Awesome
Thank you for sharing.🐴
Love this channel.
I'm not even halfway through this one, and know what y'all are going to do with her. I can at least hope y'all keep her around long enough for her to understand that not all humans suck, like maybe a week or two. You know, just long enough to know that some of us are okay. My heart breaks just thinking about what her life was like. Now, break's over, so back to work with my latest rescue (who happens to be a mean little yit, but still didn't deserve what he carries with him).
Tough call, but I cringed when I saw that vertebrae at her withers and I have no training at all reading x-rays. As much as anything else, her general demeanor just seemed kind of defeated and tired. Her mouth hurt, her tummy hurt, her back almost certainly hurt and that was always going to hurt. She didn't seem to have any real fight left so I think you made the kind decision.
Poor horse shes obviously had a very hard life. Im glad shes beinglooked after now
I love Dr Nancys accent.
Awwww poor Miss Mandy..... She has had a rough trot hasnt she the poor love.... The worms are always a worry but as you say Dr Nancy, not always the 'cause', huh? They certainly can be, but not always.
Colic is a pain in the backside and NOT good, her withers are NOT good - I winced seeing those xrays, and her dental wave/hook - meh - can be sorted as you say.
Im totally with you Dr Nancy - if you were to get her through the colic - she could go down with it later but she would still have all these other issues. She is going to have the kindest thing you can do for her - a lovely feed and sleep eternally.
Hopi - she was really nervy initially wasnt she? So she was basically totally untouched apart from being put through a chute in the wild and branded then shoved in a truck to auction? Poor kid. Shes landed in a good spot with you guys and with Kody working with her training wise... that looks quite good doesnt it? and Kody - that will be awesome work for head handling! :D
You guys are AWESOME - I keep saying it - I absolutely love what you do for the horses and the way you explain everything - not just in the HPV videos but all of the sections that get put out for HPHS.
I ALWAYS wanted to be a vet - and having lived in the middle of nowhere (in Australia that is NOT difficult when your nearest vet can be thousands of km or more - the furthest Ive lived from my horse vet was 800km - I was lucky - there were others closer who were not horse vets - or would treat under sufferance but you had to talk them through what was wrong and what treatment they needed, and to throw a colicy or injured horse in a float/trailer to go to the states capital city for an operating room was a 13 hour trip to give them a nice ride, or 10 hours for a rough as guts ride - not practical). I can stitch, if I dont have suture kits, its a case of just sterilising fishing line, and depending on the wound just one or two little ones or a slice the edges off so they do knit back together and stitch wide past the edges and put in large flat buttons so that pressure necrosis doesnt slice the fishing line through - shark line gets used on those types though.
Anyhow - I'd love to be a vet. I am nearly 50 (in September) - and I know you are never too old to learn - however my health won't allow now :( Cannot very well be a large animal vet (I really have no interest in small animal - while I love them and of course would treat them if I was qualified - there are plenty of those in the area) when I am in a powerchair. :/ I'd love to do an instructors course also - but theyve changed it all now here and you have to do a ridden component. ARGH... Being in a chair these days does NOT change the fact that I rode all my life til I couldnt and have always instructed and was good at getting, in particular youngsters and beginners going and then through to some basics in a lot of different activities with them.
What a heartbreak this sweet mare couldn’t enjoy treats and grass … my heart!
good job w this channel!
Note to self: never eat spaghetti while watching a vet video
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Great explanation. Love thought process.😅