you could not be more right egg, specially how most fire emblem relationships do end after marriage instead of blossoming further after their are bound in matrimony.
You point out a lot of good things about this pair. I really hope that we see more of these unit archetype in a future FE game. It is very rare to see such relationship in this franchise nowadays.
I've often brought up Pent and Louise as an example of why I think Avatar's inherently hurt narrative possibilities in FE, at least as long as they remain with their current "able to marry literally every playable character" design. But it's not just avatars, but also the reliance on supports to tell pretty much all stories relating to units developing relationships with each other. Highly prefer how the Kaga games do it with canonical pairings and possible ingame events that develop specific relationships.
The rarity of couples like Pent and Louise isn't a problem unique to Fire Emblem. Romance fiction in general tends to focus much more on how romances begin than what comes after people get together. For another example of the dynamic done right, look no further than The Incredibles.
One thin I enjoy about Unicorn Overlord so far is that there are seemingly set pairings that Alain can't interfere in. Monica and Clive, Chloe and Lex, and so on. These are people that care for one another deeply, and you're not able to 'Steal' anyone away.
From what bits of the story were shown in the demo it's clear that the game is setting up a relationship between Alain and Scarlet so it would be just weird if you could pair him with another character.
Unfortunately, you *can* interfere in these relationships. I believe you can give the ring to pretty much everyone; even if there’s hints of a relationship that said character has already.
The thing that made me love Louise was the story of how Pent asked for her hand in Marriage. When she brought her bow with her and said that she would defend both Pent and their children with her life if she had to. That always spoke the most about her character to me, cause there is no love quite like the love to fight to protect your family
I'm glad you could find your own Louise. And glad you pointed out how anime waifus would never reciprocate your love, I mean, nothing wrong with loving anime girls, I'm guilty as charged, but sometimes people take it too seriously
One thing I feel you forgot to mention in regards to Louise fighting the dragon while pregnant is that it's possible she just recently found out FE7 has you go all over Elibe in your quest to stop Nergal, and traveling takes time (hence why Hector asked Athos why he didn't just teleport them to the shrine) and let's be real there's no way a husband and wife like Pent and Louise don't get busy at least once in a while. It wouldn't surprise me if around Cog of Desnity they had a night of fun and it want until the fight with the dragon that Louise knew beyond doubt Great video Mangs and I'm super happy you were able to find your Louise, heaven knows you deserve it
In defence on Louise, she doesn't have enough hp to resist an attack from the dragon. She has to stay behind in a gameplay perspective and let the bulky legendaries weilders take down the dragon.
I love when I'm playing a game about war and then these two come on screen and all I can do is gush, giggle and smile like an idiot because they are so cute together and AAH I NEED more canon married fire emblem couples who's relationships we get to see like these two!
What love about the Avatar pairs is they are mostly not force. The fact that we are free to choose who are favorite couple's are and not force them to be with other characters due to system restrictions is always a major plus for me.
I find it funny how Shippers and Waifu F-words wind up becoming Dinks or Anti-Natalists. It is one thing if you are worried if you can raise a child in this economy but another if you have the means but choose not to. The reasonings for it also kinda makes my blood boil.
@kentknightofcaelin4537 Problem on the flip side is that there are too many people which shouldn't be parents who are and the ones that want to be can't cause of health as well as financial reasons only surmounted as of recently. I think you completely mistook my comment and its intent entirely.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 Again,it is more understandable now for people without the means in this economy to opt out. That and we are stuck with a generation of new adults who either got robbed out of their futures or just were raised horribly.
I wish we would return, in general, to more of a variety of ages among the units. FE4 was made all the richer, for instance, because so many kfnthe characters of thr first generation were older. Don't get me wrong, I love me some child soldiers. But older characters in the roster, some of whom are already husband and wife, would be great.
Something about Louise's daughter I think you failed to mention. It's a small thing but I noticed it: Her daughter being a spoiled brat is not necessarily indicative of Loise being a bad parent. I'd wager that she spoiled her daughter out of love and adoration, showering her with affection at every turn. It's not ideal parenting of course but it's the exact sort of circumstance that can lead to having your child being spoiled rotten, in case me describing it that way hasn't tipped you off. It seems to match her character, as far as I'm aware.
That would be a very in-character character flaw for Louise. Unfortunately it's impossible to say if that's what they were going for or if it's just a coincidence.
We need more pairs or groups that will bail out if someone centric to the group dies. A gut wrenching hit when a band of brothers quits fighting because big bro, middle bro, or little bro dies.
I hate this one. She saved his life and in return this guy impregnated the cute woman then did the classic "I will buy milk" and left her. Then when she found him, he lied it wasn't him and even joked around asking for kisses and the like. He could had a perfect life in a hidden sacred village but he abandoned his whole family and Igrene still seeks him for some foolish reason. I hate astore and I genuinely don't understand what people see in that "relationship"
Astore Cared too much about his Job as an Ostian Spy. It's a common lover's Quarrel but it's how most relationships starts: Both parties selfishly wanting one another despite everything. @@ZX-Gear
finally someone knowledges that marriage is the start of the relation, and i really agree how the newest games being centered in the avatars have made most a part of the cast just be waifus and husbando material
I think this is one of the games where Mangs got the Bethroted skill for his Rom Hack Andaron Saga. Pairing up your main lords to a lady unit you like to pair them up with, making them stronger when they are close together, also Congratulations on your wedding in Advance Mangs. 😊
Unfortunately, as you said, since the start of Post-Awakening there has been a major focus of pairing characters, and because of that the armies we get are filled with bachelors, plus the odd widow, but not a lot else beyond that. Also on the way Fire Emblem handles parents, the problem is compounded by the fact that a large representation of parents in the series are our lords' parents, who for the sake of plot, either need to be trash, dead, evil or otherwise removed from the lord's front so that he or she can actually take on the reins of the adventure. It would still be nice to have some kickass parents or married couples for a change of pace. Hell, Fire Emblem is set in Medieval Fantasy, why haven't we had an arranged marriage plot central to the game yet?
Crazy to me that no noble in engage is betrothed to another while iirc three of them are in good terms with each other and with heirs of relatively similar ages
Heheheeh I love how you’re so touched by their relationship when I didn’t even know about supports until after the game. I had them separated the whole time, ain’t no archers allowed in my damn army! I missed the Secret Shops and the Silver Card too, lots of lil reasons to replay.
So imma be honest, my first fire emblem waifu was straight up Lucina. From her depiction in smash to her role in the story. As a player you get to see her as a warrior fighting for hope when her future had been starved of it, a daughter trying to save her father and mother, and the most surprising, a wife being forced to choose between her husband or father. That cutscene awakening, though the same for female robin if you are her mother. Ngl it hit me and made me like her more. And hell, me being able to choose whether or not i let myself be cut down. I look at her with a fondness now, that no other modern fire emblem character can capture. When i look at Lucina, i see the qualities of a wife and a mother that I'd like in a wife. And personally i think FE should actually delve more into an actual marriage more. We rarely get depictions of a wife and husband in war together. So i resonate with this video but i know the true reason you did this. The moment i saw this video and louise i knew it had to have been a piece to dedicate to why your fiancee is the one. Regardless i have never had such a small smile on my face for an entire video until this one. Knowing the man creating the content i have watched since fire emblem fates, struggled in his worst moments after being cancelled, to now soon to be in a devoted marriage. I don't know your true name mangs, but know i am not happy for you as a content creator, i am happy for you as a person. Enjoy the journey my man, it's going to be interesting.
3:38 one detail i'd really like to point out as i deeply appreciated it once i saw it: Louise doesn't put it as in Pent is neglecting her, but that he would commonly worry her by not even eating due to his obscession in his researches from time to time. However, even though Louise is talking first and foremost about her husband's health, Pent himself *does* see the subject as neglection to Louise, putting her in first place. That shows that, even though they're talking about the same thing, they still manage to put one another as their first respective priorities. it's so genuine and healthy, all irl couples should strive to be like that
8:42 Hilda from Genealogy is still the most psychopathic mother in all fire emblem games, but don't forget that Minerva, though she's a big sister she had to make sacrifices to keep Maria safe she even left her royal life to support her Sister, Minerva acted like a mother for her little sister and even for her big brother (see FE12 if want to know what happened) there's also Ethlyn who according to Sigurd she filled in after hers and Sigurd's mother passed away before she got married to Quan and even had to leave after she learned of her hometown was attacked
I'd love to see more content like this, Mangs. In addition to the usual streams, of course. It's just you're such a damn good scriptwriter and storyteller that it feels like a bit of a waste to only use these skills once in a lifetime.
Preexisting relationships get in the way of the dating sim that is modern FE. Wouldn't want some guy online getting butthurt that his Fire Emblem waifu is in a relationship already after all.
I think you're absolutely right that we're likely losing out on a lot of potentially great relationships between characters in modern FE games due to every character having to be available for the player avatar to romance. I also think that the lack of married couples may have to do with the experience of the writers since it's challenging to write about something that you haven't experienced and if modern FE writers are either single or haven't been married for very long (to be clear I have no idea if that's the case or not) then they don't have that experience. By contrast anyone who ever had a crush can imagine what confessing one's feelings or even proposing may look like and thus it's a lot easier to write about especially if it happens towards the end of the story where you can just say "they lived happily ever after" and not deal with the consequences. Quan and Ethlyn are another example of characters whose existing relationship enhances the story even if it does technically work against the inheritance mechanics of FE4. I also agree we need more variety when it comes to mother characters even if only because repeating the same type of character over and over makes them less special and more forgettable.
I think, weirdly, FEH has proven why we need more characters/dynamics like this. Henriette is a caring mother who is also pretty competent running the kingdom, even after losing her partner. The conversations not having so much gameplay burden means interesting dynamics can be explored too, like with Leif and the Askr trio. Releasing further content later and having 'side stories' in stuff like tempest trials or paralogue maps is a great way to delve into characters more, or let them engage in something goofy/fun/unusual for them without having to break the story in half. They can talk about ongoing events without assuming the player's gonna die of confusion or something. I'd be super down for modern fire emblem taking some cues from FEH in this! Especially if they don't wanna go the Pent and Louise route and expand it into gameplay features.
Louise is very well written character. While I am into blondes Lyn is still my favorite waifu in fire emblem 7, yes I know she sucks as a unit but I don't care.
i truly wished they put again a couple where it doesnt die and actually can fight along whit their kids or just accompain the main protagonist like Pent & Louise its sounds like something i will really want to see
3:20 That whole event based conversations on is something FE really needs alot more of. Three houses did it a little with exploration, but other games like the Tales of series's skits do it way more and way better. Supports are very restrictive because they are usuallly restricted to only 2 characters and they have to talk about something that's unrelated to current events. Personally I'm hoping for less supports, but more story/current events/lore related conversations. Conversations that bounce between more than 2 characters can also be alot more interesting. Another advantage is that you can then do conversations that build multiple characters at once or expand the characters and the lore at the same time.
The concept of waifus is ironic in nature, it blows my mind when people take it way to seriously (such as the people that asked you why go for someone already taken, or the inverse, people that stop having a waifu/husbando when getting into a relationship)
Waifus have always existed in history. Every men has their pursuit of an ideal women and our ancestors most likely did not find it but let their desired guide them to concieve us. I just wished more people would use those romanticized feelings for the benefit of others and themselves instead of selfishing divulging on fantastical desires and not what is around them
"of course, you can just bench the other character. But what monster would possibly do that?" Yeah... Who does that... Right? Jokes aside, Fire Emblem should have more pre-established couples like this, it's cool.
The timing of this video seems awfully suspicious... I wonder why you've got wholesome married couples on the mind :^) (disregard this part I just saw the end of the video LOL) But for real, this was a nice video. I can generally agree, though I will say Pent and Louise's relationship is quite interesting. They actually remind me of my aunt and uncle, in fact... the parallels are almost spooky. (including their parenting style RIP, so don't think kids can't turn out like the way you saw in FE6 from parents like them, its not necessarily bad writing... in fact, its more likely than you'd think and could very well be intentional on the writer's part). I think the people who wrote these characters knew people like them in real life, or at least had a strong idea of what those types of people are like, which is part of the reason why its portrayed so well imo. A lot of the characters in the newer Fire Emblem games nowadays often feel like caricatures. It feels harder and harder to find similar kinds of people like them in real life as time goes on. They feel more like personalities intended to pander to a person's indulgent thoughts and idealized views of what fictional characters should be, rather than like human beings. The gameplay integration for Pent and Louise is interesting, and I'm glad that they were still able to have equivalent conversations despite already having an A supports. I don't know who would think Louise is a bad mother for saving the world to ensure her child could even have a future in the first place... what a bunch of idiots and faux moralizers lol. In terms of marriage being the first step... I can agree on that. Though games are often made for young people, so it can be hard to appreciate older characters who have less to relate to when you're the target age for these games like Pent (I thought he was cool as heck and a great character when I played FE7, but not one I could really relate to). That's why I feel most Japanese games end up involving teenage protagonists or protags in their 20s, as that tends to be the period of time involving the most change in a person's life, where you start figuring out who you are and what your values are, what the world is like, what people are really like, and so on. (Doesn't mean it doesn't happen in the other stages of life, but I would say the teenage years and young adult years are the most tumultuous and subject to change... if you're still unstable and struggling to find yourself in your 40s... that's a problem) In western games cases, its often more about the coolness of the character when they're older (grizzled powerful, and often jaded veterans), rather than them being a role model or being relatable imo. You can't really relate to most older superheroes at a young age, but its cool to watch them be who they are. Marriage (or rather, the time during the marriage and beyond just the wedding) as a result is hard to depict well, especially in a game imo. I will say... one game that I feel handled this subject remarkably well is Dragon Quest 5. I would highly recommend it if you haven't played it before Mangs. Its both relatable, and an excellent and cleverly handled depiction of, well, life in general and really hits you in the heart. I don't want to spoil anything about it, but I highly recommend it. The DS version is great if you can play it. I wish you luck Mangs (not that you need it lol), and congratulations again on finding Bethany. She seems like a bright, shining light in your life and I wish you both great and loving times in your future.
Truly, I kind of envy you and Bethany. I thought I had what you have - in a certain Chloé. Eventually, more than a year ago now, I learned she had no problem with transing the kids, and cultishly shut down any counterargument. While my heart was heavy, and I still mourn what could have been, I thank the Lord for showing me her true heart so that I could make the right decision for my future children. While parasocial relationships are gay, I'm glad that you pushed through what the "community" did to you and saw the new dawn. That faith in a new dawn for our world in crisis too pushes me through my daily exercises every time I want to give up for a day. At risk of being a bit heavy - even if sectarian violence flares, even I do not live to see said dawn. Don't go trying to An Hero again either. I know from first-hand experience how unfair that would be on Bethany. I was more terrified than that time I thought I had cancer when I was only 13.
Unfortunately discussions such as this, are why I steer clear from new-aged FE. A lack of wholesome and traditional values, has lead to a downfall in quality of characters and story. I have incredible disdain for oversexualization and soft-core porn in my games. Avatars are also utter waste. So, I have dismissed all titles post FE11 besides Echoes. Pent and Louise have a beautiful relationship. Traditional Biblical marriage should be celebrated, not denigrated.
Even after all these years I think FE7 has still best characters and supports in franchise. You can disagree, but that's all you can do about it. And yes, Louise (as well as Pent) is prime example of that.
Calill and Largo also have interesting vibes. In Fe9 they already know each other, but are not a couple yet, even if there are hints without a support. There are now a couple in Fe10 who have a shop together and even an adopted child. I really hope you do the Fe10 Ironman and get Calill on Elincia's team, you can see Calill's motherly love at the best. =)
can you talk about best friends in Fire Emblem? and see who are the best buddies in Fire Emblem like Marth and Merrick, Alm and his four village friends, Sigurd Quan and Eldigan, Seliph Lester and Diarmuid and Lana, Leif Nanna (and possibly Tanya), Roy Lilina and Wolt, Eliwood and Hector, Lyn and Florina, Ephraim Lyon Erika and Tana (and maybe Innes), Chris and Nourn (they mentioned that they are from the same village, so I'd assume they were friends), and maybe i can put the 7th platoon even though they met in the prologue
Huh, I never knew they had conversations as I have never used these units. The B chat has Louise sounds exactly like my wife. It just hit me that the two are really similar.
An intriguing inspection of relationship dynamics in FE. Though considering what HAS been made available before, there's always a non-zero chance players are eventually presented with a couple just like them that you can romance; At the same time of course. Though it is likely them picking you, and not the other way around. [Andaron Saga spoiler ahead: ] Tragedy of the plot aside, isn't that the implication of the way it went for Kaethis x Maria x Iris after all?
Even some of the best parents can end up with some pretty bratty kids. I don't think it's that unreasonable to think that Louise and Pent put a lot of effort into being good parents only to have it not work out. There's also the matter of them being Lords and having to deal with the political aftermath of the chaos caused by the Black Fang. They may have spent years running around trying to stabilize things when they'd rather be with their children.
"You could just bench the other character, but what monster would possibly do this?" Yep, that's me! I always bench Louise. I didn't even know their A conversation was also something you could unlock. Guess she never saw that dragon on my copy of the game, lol.
For me it's simple. Beautiful man and woman are in love, faithful, loyal, and powerful. Dutiful and stands for good. Lovely designs is the cherry on top.
A very interesting video to say the least, although, you resumed it perfectly, modern fire emblem is plagued by avatars, or in awakening/fates with the pair up system, it's not a bad one, but the way IS did is not the best i'd say... After all, again, you said it, introducing a character already taken would probably not please a good amount of people sadly...particularly when we know some complain when they don't have the option to romance X person💀 In fact, I firmly believe Chrom was to marry Sumia, but it was removed on the last minute just so the players could do whatever they wanted, even if they hint it a lot, and even show it in the intro cutscene... And the worse part is, because of this, as great as some characters are, we can never fully explore them, because their stories remain about only them, whereas a couple would evolve together, and improve them...
I missed the more scripted character analysis videos like these. What a wonderful video ❤ I hope we get another video focusing on FE characters you like Mangs!
If FE7 ever gets the remake treatment, there should be a hidden cutscene for losing Pent or Louise. A playable couple in modern FE would be a nice change.
This is definitely an issue of support/shipping overload (and the avatar thing being bad for the series imo). I think more relationships should be set in stone, allowing for more time and care put into those relationships and supports, while also perhaps playing a role in the story. It also hurts the diversity of the cast : everyone is single/widow because everyone needs to otherwise you can't s support them or something
Do you agree with what I say in this video? Let me know!
you could not be more right egg, specially how most fire emblem relationships do end after marriage instead of blossoming further after their are bound in matrimony.
You point out a lot of good things about this pair. I really hope that we see more of these unit archetype in a future FE game. It is very rare to see such relationship in this franchise nowadays.
I've often brought up Pent and Louise as an example of why I think Avatar's inherently hurt narrative possibilities in FE, at least as long as they remain with their current "able to marry literally every playable character" design. But it's not just avatars, but also the reliance on supports to tell pretty much all stories relating to units developing relationships with each other. Highly prefer how the Kaga games do it with canonical pairings and possible ingame events that develop specific relationships.
Hey mangs! Pls make a video about the worst couple!
The rarity of couples like Pent and Louise isn't a problem unique to Fire Emblem. Romance fiction in general tends to focus much more on how romances begin than what comes after people get together. For another example of the dynamic done right, look no further than The Incredibles.
One thin I enjoy about Unicorn Overlord so far is that there are seemingly set pairings that Alain can't interfere in. Monica and Clive, Chloe and Lex, and so on. These are people that care for one another deeply, and you're not able to 'Steal' anyone away.
From what bits of the story were shown in the demo it's clear that the game is setting up a relationship between Alain and Scarlet so it would be just weird if you could pair him with another character.
Scarlett is clearly superior, so no big loss.
Unfortunately, you *can* interfere in these relationships.
I believe you can give the ring to pretty much everyone; even if there’s hints of a relationship that said character has already.
The thing that made me love Louise was the story of how Pent asked for her hand in Marriage. When she brought her bow with her and said that she would defend both Pent and their children with her life if she had to. That always spoke the most about her character to me, cause there is no love quite like the love to fight to protect your family
Mangs making wholesome videos is too nice. I can't even be snarky about it, it was super sweet!
Bethany must be feeling pretty smug rn
I'm glad you could find your own Louise. And glad you pointed out how anime waifus would never reciprocate your love, I mean, nothing wrong with loving anime girls, I'm guilty as charged, but sometimes people take it too seriously
One thing I feel you forgot to mention in regards to Louise fighting the dragon while pregnant is that it's possible she just recently found out
FE7 has you go all over Elibe in your quest to stop Nergal, and traveling takes time (hence why Hector asked Athos why he didn't just teleport them to the shrine) and let's be real there's no way a husband and wife like Pent and Louise don't get busy at least once in a while. It wouldn't surprise me if around Cog of Desnity they had a night of fun and it want until the fight with the dragon that Louise knew beyond doubt
Great video Mangs and I'm super happy you were able to find your Louise, heaven knows you deserve it
In defence on Louise, she doesn't have enough hp to resist an attack from the dragon.
She has to stay behind in a gameplay perspective and let the bulky legendaries weilders take down the dragon.
Such a Throwback to see a Spotlight-esque video again. Nice Video Egg
I love when I'm playing a game about war and then these two come on screen and all I can do is gush, giggle and smile like an idiot because they are so cute together and AAH I NEED more canon married fire emblem couples who's relationships we get to see like these two!
Mangs saying what I've been saying for over a decade now? I LOVE to see it! Thank you Eggman for being willing to talk about this subject.
It's not just Pent and Louise - FE7 just hit different, man.
Best FE on GBA
What love about the Avatar pairs is they are mostly not force. The fact that we are free to choose who are favorite couple's are and not force them to be with other characters due to system restrictions is always a major plus for me.
The virgin avatar boning simulator vs the chad comitted loving marriage with children.😭
I find it funny how Shippers and Waifu F-words wind up becoming Dinks or Anti-Natalists. It is one thing if you are worried if you can raise a child in this economy but another if you have the means but choose not to. The reasonings for it also kinda makes my blood boil.
@@ZX-Gearlol, what? Having a child is a deeply personal decision. No one owes you to have a child.
@kentknightofcaelin4537 Problem on the flip side is that there are too many people which shouldn't be parents who are and the ones that want to be can't cause of health as well as financial reasons only surmounted as of recently. I think you completely mistook my comment and its intent entirely.
@@ZX-GearI agree, but I still don't think you need a reason to not have a child. If anything I'd say the opposite.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 Again,it is more understandable now for people without the means in this economy to opt out. That and we are stuck with a generation of new adults who either got robbed out of their futures or just were raised horribly.
>Fire Emblem is full of gorgeous women
>puts Severa on the screen
Based
Not familiar with characters after FE7, someone please explain.
Out of just four choices I was not expecting to see my girl Nephenee, but I was delighted all the same :D
I wish we would return, in general, to more of a variety of ages among the units. FE4 was made all the richer, for instance, because so many kfnthe characters of thr first generation were older.
Don't get me wrong, I love me some child soldiers. But older characters in the roster, some of whom are already husband and wife, would be great.
Something about Louise's daughter I think you failed to mention. It's a small thing but I noticed it:
Her daughter being a spoiled brat is not necessarily indicative of Loise being a bad parent. I'd wager that she spoiled her daughter out of love and adoration, showering her with affection at every turn. It's not ideal parenting of course but it's the exact sort of circumstance that can lead to having your child being spoiled rotten, in case me describing it that way hasn't tipped you off. It seems to match her character, as far as I'm aware.
As Clarine says in heroes “Adore me!”
That would be a very in-character character flaw for Louise. Unfortunately it's impossible to say if that's what they were going for or if it's just a coincidence.
"Louise is not necessarily bad parent! She may spoiled Clarine rotten, which makes her bad parent, but that doesn't mean she is bad parent!"
Clarine is OP af
We need more pairs or groups that will bail out if someone centric to the group dies. A gut wrenching hit when a band of brothers quits fighting because big bro, middle bro, or little bro dies.
The relationship that Louise and Pent has is something that everyone deserves.
My vote for most interesting relationship goes to Astore and Igrene. It's a bit of a sad one but its always been one thats stuck with me
The part that messes me up is how neither could move on from the death of their child. As a result they became distant as a result.
I hate this one. She saved his life and in return this guy impregnated the cute woman then did the classic "I will buy milk" and left her. Then when she found him, he lied it wasn't him and even joked around asking for kisses and the like. He could had a perfect life in a hidden sacred village but he abandoned his whole family and Igrene still seeks him for some foolish reason. I hate astore and I genuinely don't understand what people see in that "relationship"
Astore Cared too much about his Job as an Ostian Spy. It's a common lover's Quarrel but it's how most relationships starts: Both parties selfishly wanting one another despite everything. @@ZX-Gear
finally someone knowledges that marriage is the start of the relation, and i really agree how the newest games being centered in the avatars have made most a part of the cast just be waifus and husbando material
I think this is one of the games where Mangs got the Bethroted skill for his Rom Hack Andaron Saga. Pairing up your main lords to a lady unit you like to pair them up with, making them stronger when they are close together, also Congratulations on your wedding in Advance Mangs. 😊
Unfortunately, as you said, since the start of Post-Awakening there has been a major focus of pairing characters, and because of that the armies we get are filled with bachelors, plus the odd widow, but not a lot else beyond that.
Also on the way Fire Emblem handles parents, the problem is compounded by the fact that a large representation of parents in the series are our lords' parents, who for the sake of plot, either need to be trash, dead, evil or otherwise removed from the lord's front so that he or she can actually take on the reins of the adventure.
It would still be nice to have some kickass parents or married couples for a change of pace. Hell, Fire Emblem is set in Medieval Fantasy, why haven't we had an arranged marriage plot central to the game yet?
Crazy to me that no noble in engage is betrothed to another while iirc three of them are in good terms with each other and with heirs of relatively similar ages
Heheheeh I love how you’re so touched by their relationship when I didn’t even know about supports until after the game. I had them separated the whole time, ain’t no archers allowed in my damn army! I missed the Secret Shops and the Silver Card too, lots of lil reasons to replay.
So imma be honest, my first fire emblem waifu was straight up Lucina. From her depiction in smash to her role in the story. As a player you get to see her as a warrior fighting for hope when her future had been starved of it, a daughter trying to save her father and mother, and the most surprising, a wife being forced to choose between her husband or father. That cutscene awakening, though the same for female robin if you are her mother. Ngl it hit me and made me like her more. And hell, me being able to choose whether or not i let myself be cut down. I look at her with a fondness now, that no other modern fire emblem character can capture. When i look at Lucina, i see the qualities of a wife and a mother that I'd like in a wife. And personally i think FE should actually delve more into an actual marriage more. We rarely get depictions of a wife and husband in war together. So i resonate with this video but i know the true reason you did this.
The moment i saw this video and louise i knew it had to have been a piece to dedicate to why your fiancee is the one.
Regardless i have never had such a small smile on my face for an entire video until this one. Knowing the man creating the content i have watched since fire emblem fates, struggled in his worst moments after being cancelled, to now soon to be in a devoted marriage. I don't know your true name mangs, but know i am not happy for you as a content creator, i am happy for you as a person. Enjoy the journey my man, it's going to be interesting.
A lot of people gravitated towards Lucina. She's not my type at all, but I get the appeal. Laura Bailey has an amazing voice though.
“Pent and louise are two of my favourite fire emblem characters”
And one of them MUCH more than the other
3:38 one detail i'd really like to point out as i deeply appreciated it once i saw it: Louise doesn't put it as in Pent is neglecting her, but that he would commonly worry her by not even eating due to his obscession in his researches from time to time. However, even though Louise is talking first and foremost about her husband's health, Pent himself *does* see the subject as neglection to Louise, putting her in first place. That shows that, even though they're talking about the same thing, they still manage to put one another as their first respective priorities. it's so genuine and healthy, all irl couples should strive to be like that
8:42
Hilda from Genealogy is still the most psychopathic mother in all fire emblem games, but don't forget that Minerva, though she's a big sister she had to make sacrifices to keep Maria safe she even left her royal life to support her Sister, Minerva acted like a mother for her little sister and even for her big brother (see FE12 if want to know what happened)
there's also Ethlyn who according to Sigurd she filled in after hers and Sigurd's mother passed away before she got married to Quan and even had to leave after she learned of her hometown was attacked
I'd love to see more content like this, Mangs. In addition to the usual streams, of course. It's just you're such a damn good scriptwriter and storyteller that it feels like a bit of a waste to only use these skills once in a lifetime.
9:31 clever and wholesome
It's fine for Louise to fight the dragon while pregnant, maternity leave doesn't exist in Elibe anyways
Preexisting relationships get in the way of the dating sim that is modern FE.
Wouldn't want some guy online getting butthurt that his Fire Emblem waifu is in a relationship already after all.
Didn't something like that technically happen already when a SoV reviewer was butthurt they couldn't ship Celica with Saber instead of Alm?
@@asvadkhan9692 That reviewer was trash and received lots of backlash.
I think you're absolutely right that we're likely losing out on a lot of potentially great relationships between characters in modern FE games due to every character having to be available for the player avatar to romance. I also think that the lack of married couples may have to do with the experience of the writers since it's challenging to write about something that you haven't experienced and if modern FE writers are either single or haven't been married for very long (to be clear I have no idea if that's the case or not) then they don't have that experience. By contrast anyone who ever had a crush can imagine what confessing one's feelings or even proposing may look like and thus it's a lot easier to write about especially if it happens towards the end of the story where you can just say "they lived happily ever after" and not deal with the consequences.
Quan and Ethlyn are another example of characters whose existing relationship enhances the story even if it does technically work against the inheritance mechanics of FE4.
I also agree we need more variety when it comes to mother characters even if only because repeating the same type of character over and over makes them less special and more forgettable.
Marriage used to be the "beginning of one" now it is the death sentence for most people to be taken advantage of
Guys hear me out, I think Mangs might be thinkin a lot about marriage as of late for some reason.
1:13 Even in Fates. Baby Dimension.
9:08 She literally says "Mommy's here" when blocking an attack.
Mangs I was around 15 when I first got into fire emblem and fell in love with Lyn this around 2015
0:49 "But this isn't the only reason I like her. She's also blonde."
Saizo and Kagero are the closest thing we have to a Pent and Louise since they were once a couple (even if they broke up before the game's event).
I think, weirdly, FEH has proven why we need more characters/dynamics like this. Henriette is a caring mother who is also pretty competent running the kingdom, even after losing her partner.
The conversations not having so much gameplay burden means interesting dynamics can be explored too, like with Leif and the Askr trio. Releasing further content later and having 'side stories' in stuff like tempest trials or paralogue maps is a great way to delve into characters more, or let them engage in something goofy/fun/unusual for them without having to break the story in half. They can talk about ongoing events without assuming the player's gonna die of confusion or something. I'd be super down for modern fire emblem taking some cues from FEH in this! Especially if they don't wanna go the Pent and Louise route and expand it into gameplay features.
Louise is very well written character. While I am into blondes Lyn is still my favorite waifu in fire emblem 7, yes I know she sucks as a unit but I don't care.
Pent was a massive Gigachad
character spotlights mentioned‼️ would love to see them come back
i truly wished they put again a couple where it doesnt die and actually can fight along whit their kids or just accompain the main protagonist like Pent & Louise its sounds like something i will really want to see
3:20 That whole event based conversations on is something FE really needs alot more of. Three houses did it a little with exploration, but other games like the Tales of series's skits do it way more and way better.
Supports are very restrictive because they are usuallly restricted to only 2 characters and they have to talk about something that's unrelated to current events. Personally I'm hoping for less supports, but more story/current events/lore related conversations. Conversations that bounce between more than 2 characters can also be alot more interesting. Another advantage is that you can then do conversations that build multiple characters at once or expand the characters and the lore at the same time.
Stay beside me, Louise
Self-insert pandering is a plague these days, and the enemy of authentic romance stories.
It's quite rare to see a couple like this
Character Spotlight series lives again!
And this video is telling us about how Mangs sharing us wisdom about how its feel in married life, Based on the man that already have wife...
The concept of waifus is ironic in nature, it blows my mind when people take it way to seriously (such as the people that asked you why go for someone already taken, or the inverse, people that stop having a waifu/husbando when getting into a relationship)
People who have no girlfriend or had one in real life
Waifus have always existed in history. Every men has their pursuit of an ideal women and our ancestors most likely did not find it but let their desired guide them to concieve us. I just wished more people would use those romanticized feelings for the benefit of others and themselves instead of selfishing divulging on fantastical desires and not what is around them
"of course, you can just bench the other character. But what monster would possibly do that?"
Yeah... Who does that... Right?
Jokes aside, Fire Emblem should have more pre-established couples like this, it's cool.
Perfectly wholesome video to enjoy knowing Mangs finally found her 😊
The timing of this video seems awfully suspicious... I wonder why you've got wholesome married couples on the mind :^) (disregard this part I just saw the end of the video LOL)
But for real, this was a nice video. I can generally agree, though I will say Pent and Louise's relationship is quite interesting.
They actually remind me of my aunt and uncle, in fact... the parallels are almost spooky. (including their parenting style RIP, so don't think kids can't turn out like the way you saw in FE6 from parents like them, its not necessarily bad writing... in fact, its more likely than you'd think and could very well be intentional on the writer's part).
I think the people who wrote these characters knew people like them in real life, or at least had a strong idea of what those types of people are like, which is part of the reason why its portrayed so well imo.
A lot of the characters in the newer Fire Emblem games nowadays often feel like caricatures. It feels harder and harder to find similar kinds of people like them in real life as time goes on. They feel more like personalities intended to pander to a person's indulgent thoughts and idealized views of what fictional characters should be, rather than like human beings.
The gameplay integration for Pent and Louise is interesting, and I'm glad that they were still able to have equivalent conversations despite already having an A supports.
I don't know who would think Louise is a bad mother for saving the world to ensure her child could even have a future in the first place... what a bunch of idiots and faux moralizers lol.
In terms of marriage being the first step... I can agree on that. Though games are often made for young people, so it can be hard to appreciate older characters who have less to relate to when you're the target age for these games like Pent (I thought he was cool as heck and a great character when I played FE7, but not one I could really relate to). That's why I feel most Japanese games end up involving teenage protagonists or protags in their 20s, as that tends to be the period of time involving the most change in a person's life, where you start figuring out who you are and what your values are, what the world is like, what people are really like, and so on. (Doesn't mean it doesn't happen in the other stages of life, but I would say the teenage years and young adult years are the most tumultuous and subject to change... if you're still unstable and struggling to find yourself in your 40s... that's a problem)
In western games cases, its often more about the coolness of the character when they're older (grizzled powerful, and often jaded veterans), rather than them being a role model or being relatable imo. You can't really relate to most older superheroes at a young age, but its cool to watch them be who they are.
Marriage (or rather, the time during the marriage and beyond just the wedding) as a result is hard to depict well, especially in a game imo.
I will say... one game that I feel handled this subject remarkably well is Dragon Quest 5. I would highly recommend it if you haven't played it before Mangs. Its both relatable, and an excellent and cleverly handled depiction of, well, life in general and really hits you in the heart. I don't want to spoil anything about it, but I highly recommend it. The DS version is great if you can play it.
I wish you luck Mangs (not that you need it lol), and congratulations again on finding Bethany. She seems like a bright, shining light in your life and I wish you both great and loving times in your future.
There already is 🥚. It’s Mangs and Bethany!
Ah, but Pent has a head full of hair, but Mangs is bald as an egg.
Truly, I kind of envy you and Bethany. I thought I had what you have - in a certain Chloé.
Eventually, more than a year ago now, I learned she had no problem with transing the kids, and cultishly shut down any counterargument. While my heart was heavy, and I still mourn what could have been, I thank the Lord for showing me her true heart so that I could make the right decision for my future children.
While parasocial relationships are gay, I'm glad that you pushed through what the "community" did to you and saw the new dawn. That faith in a new dawn for our world in crisis too pushes me through my daily exercises every time I want to give up for a day. At risk of being a bit heavy - even if sectarian violence flares, even I do not live to see said dawn. Don't go trying to An Hero again either. I know from first-hand experience how unfair that would be on Bethany. I was more terrified than that time I thought I had cancer when I was only 13.
Wtf dude?
Is that the plot of the next original FE game?
It's better than Engage for sure.
Unfortunately discussions such as this, are why I steer clear from new-aged FE. A lack of wholesome and traditional values, has lead to a downfall in quality of characters and story. I have incredible disdain for oversexualization and soft-core porn in my games. Avatars are also utter waste. So, I have dismissed all titles post FE11 besides Echoes.
Pent and Louise have a beautiful relationship. Traditional Biblical marriage should be celebrated, not denigrated.
Even after all these years I think FE7 has still best characters and supports in franchise. You can disagree, but that's all you can do about it.
And yes, Louise (as well as Pent) is prime example of that.
pretty good and wholesome content mangs, keep it up!
wait, i didnt realize that mangs made the video till the end
Calill and Largo also have interesting vibes.
In Fe9 they already know each other, but are not a couple yet, even if there are hints without a support.
There are now a couple in Fe10 who have a shop together and even an adopted child.
I really hope you do the Fe10 Ironman and get Calill on Elincia's team,
you can see Calill's motherly love at the best. =)
can you talk about best friends in Fire Emblem? and see who are the best buddies in Fire Emblem
like Marth and Merrick,
Alm and his four village friends,
Sigurd Quan and Eldigan,
Seliph Lester and Diarmuid and Lana,
Leif Nanna (and possibly Tanya),
Roy Lilina and Wolt,
Eliwood and Hector,
Lyn and Florina,
Ephraim Lyon Erika and Tana (and maybe Innes),
Chris and Nourn (they mentioned that they are from the same village, so I'd assume they were friends), and maybe i can put the 7th platoon even though they met in the prologue
Louise really is loyal to Pent. She's proven it time after time when Mangs would play Fe7 4 years ago 😂
f this guy. im not letting you die
Foreshadowing for Mangs and Bethany's A support.
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Huh, I never knew they had conversations as I have never used these units. The B chat has Louise sounds exactly like my wife. It just hit me that the two are really similar.
“Lousie” in the thumbnail lol
An intriguing inspection of relationship dynamics in FE. Though considering what HAS been made available before, there's always a non-zero chance players are eventually presented with a couple just like them that you can romance; At the same time of course. Though it is likely them picking you, and not the other way around. [Andaron Saga spoiler ahead: ]
Tragedy of the plot aside, isn't that the implication of the way it went for Kaethis x Maria x Iris after all?
Even some of the best parents can end up with some pretty bratty kids. I don't think it's that unreasonable to think that Louise and Pent put a lot of effort into being good parents only to have it not work out. There's also the matter of them being Lords and having to deal with the political aftermath of the chaos caused by the Black Fang. They may have spent years running around trying to stabilize things when they'd rather be with their children.
quan and ethlyn sad story always hit harder and complements the story of gae bolg curse but pent and louise is great too
This is a surprised to be sure, but a welcomed one.
"You could just bench the other character, but what monster would possibly do this?"
Yep, that's me! I always bench Louise. I didn't even know their A conversation was also something you could unlock. Guess she never saw that dragon on my copy of the game, lol.
I wonder if Mangs plans on eventually doing an "FE 3 Book 2" Ironman.
For me it's simple. Beautiful man and woman are in love, faithful, loyal, and powerful. Dutiful and stands for good. Lovely designs is the cherry on top.
A very interesting video to say the least, although, you resumed it perfectly, modern fire emblem is plagued by avatars, or in awakening/fates with the pair up system, it's not a bad one, but the way IS did is not the best i'd say...
After all, again, you said it, introducing a character already taken would probably not please a good amount of people sadly...particularly when we know some complain when they don't have the option to romance X person💀
In fact, I firmly believe Chrom was to marry Sumia, but it was removed on the last minute just so the players could do whatever they wanted, even if they hint it a lot, and even show it in the intro cutscene...
And the worse part is, because of this, as great as some characters are, we can never fully explore them, because their stories remain about only them, whereas a couple would evolve together, and improve them...
Mangs sound like he makes a great marriage counselor.
A spotlight video huh? Didn't think it was going to come back.
But hell if i say i'm not excited about this.
(Peri spotlight next Time? )
hahahahahaha
no
@@Mangs1337 Oh well, at least i tried
OMG I love lousie
Ah yes, Pent and Lousy
My favourite Flim Bliblim couple
Figar Bumbrum
I missed the more scripted character analysis videos like these. What a wonderful video ❤
I hope we get another video focusing on FE characters you like Mangs!
Definitely agree, been a while since Mangs' last scripted video imo (and especially involving character analysis), was very nice
I be down for more set or already married couple in fire emblem.
This is why Fire Emblem supports shouldn't end at S Rank! We need SS, SSS, and X Rank supports!
Definitely going to marry Lyn when FE7 gets remade.
i prefers annas love of gold. an everlasting love.
I have never had one of the die before so I didn't know the other would leave if one died.
If FE7 ever gets the remake treatment, there should be a hidden cutscene for losing Pent or Louise. A playable couple in modern FE would be a nice change.
This will be me and Rimer someday
Mangs getting one last opportunity to talk about his waifu before becoming a Husband
Mangs continues his trend of being late by missing a video deadline by 2 full weeks.
Based Mangs, wonderful analysis
They won’t make another blonde sniper like Louise but they will be a Sage as Stronk as Pent, right?
There is one, right???
The only person popping to my mind is Lindon in Engage. He arrives late and his person skill gives him the opportunity to be a crit beast.
no one will be as good as pent. he could dodge.
Louise manage to kill a Dragon while pregnant
Miss when Fire Emblem had characters that acted like believable (if a little eccentric) people, as opposed to caricatures
Pent and Louise are the ultimate power couple
more vids like this! i would make one on hector and lyn, but my other account has 1000 subs only, and cant do it as good as yall
Hmmmmmm do I sense a cosplay married FE theme character duo happening????
This is definitely an issue of support/shipping overload (and the avatar thing being bad for the series imo). I think more relationships should be set in stone, allowing for more time and care put into those relationships and supports, while also perhaps playing a role in the story. It also hurts the diversity of the cast : everyone is single/widow because everyone needs to otherwise you can't s support them or something
Dent is GOATED. No Sage can surpass him. Sorry Erk.
so i like the video and yes i would say it s long love letter for Bethany ^^
Same, like my gruff character in Awakening and Nowi uuuooh
Hah! I finally caught the vid in 1 second.
Should have uploaded this one on Valentine smh
Honestly though.
Awwww that was so sweet ❤