3D is incredibly well suited to video games. The interactivity mixed with depth really does feel Immersive. I played a 3D game on PS3 back in the day and even with glasses, it was incredible. If they can make that monitor larger and prices drop. That will be amazing! Converting games to 3D should be significantly easier than on films.
I am completely onboard with this! I have a passive glasses LG 1080p TV (and a New 3DS XL), and once you played games that supported 3D, like Tomb Raider or Crysis it is a fantastic experience, and once you turned the 3D off, you literally lost a whole dimension to the image. It is SO much easier to judge distance when you have stereoscopic vision. Another part of this as well is VR. I would rejoice if stereoscopic rendering becomes a standard in game development (both for VR and 3D monitors). It would also massively boost the amount of games you could use a VR headset for. Sure, they won't be as immersive as full VR games, but still, the stereoscopic vision and head-tracking is enough to make any game far more immersive, even if you play with a normal controller. I also think it would add immense value to purchasing a high quality PCVR headset. (as well as monitors like these)
I've mentioned this in another comment, but there's also a technology that CReal is developing for VR headsets to put images in and out of focus according to the distance from the viewer. While said like this it may sound necessarily incredible, it seems it looks super impressive and it adds a lot in terms of immersivity and how awesome it could be combining that technology with these 3d glassless displays for games.
I wanted that Nvidia 3D Vision so bad back in the day, from what I've heard, I'm glad I didn't get it. But, it sounds like this tech may actually be able to deliver on what that promised. Hopefully its popular enough to keep being developed.
I'm still using nvidia vision and its excellent. The problem was one eyed reviewers who didn't set it up properly, and poor native game support. Fortunately since then, many hundreds of games have been fixed for 3d, and with 3d fix manager you can easily install the fixes. Helixmod has a list of games. Its unfortunate that nvidia gave up on it, but that hasn't stopped more games being fixed.
You have no slightest idea of what you've been missing. for me Nvidia 3D changed my gaming forever. games are still being fixed into an amazing 3d experience on an 120" projected screen.
3D Vision was... Interesting. Unfortunately I just couldn't do it. Major eye strain, nausea, etc. Was pretty dark even with the Nvidia Light Boost certified display I owned. Cool, but the shine wore off very quickly and I maybe used it for a total of 10 hours. I still actually have my 2nd gen 3D vision glasses and emitter but have had zero interest in touching it again.
@@Felttipfuzzywuzzyflyguy Pitty that because of missing the right setting and some tweaks you missed the experience. i finished a dozen of games including God of war, Nioh 2, Dead Space 1-2 and 3 and alot more.
I wonder if Valve's Proton can intercept the game camera and render the game twice from two views, making every game playable on a glasses-free 3D Deck 2.
What you are describing is the exact same as what Nintendo 3DS did back in 2010. Using a camera to track your position and change the scene to match. There was a universal driver that you could use that turned a 3D rendered game that uses Direct X and made it possible to render in Anaglyph and make use of shutter glasses as well as support other features. Some obscure companies tried this and disappeared quickly. Does NVidia still support their shutter glasses? Some other companies quickly drop support for this and it is unfortunate
Notice how neither of those games was displaying a UI; the way they're doing their 3D-vision has the same issues with placing UI-elements correctly as every other tech that tries to apply 3D after-the-fact, instead of something that's baked into the game itself -- it works beautifully for some games, and it's complete trash for others.
This may be great for people who have to wear prescription eye glasses and don't have to place a 3D glasses over there own eye glasses to get the same 3D effect experience like non eye glasses folks. This may also come to advertising in public places too.
I had the Nvidia 3D Vision kit back in the day and it was pretty cool for some games but I honestly spent most of my time trying to make games work properly. The support was pretty awful and Nvidia would rate games as being "Good" for 3D when they really weren't. 3D movies was the only time it worked flawlessly but 3D movies died too.
I love 3D and am an avid collector of 3D Blu-rays, which are 2k resolution like Gordon says this monitor is. It sucks because Nvidia's Vision product is and was flawed. I really hope it will make a comeback.
Still use my PS3 with a LG Passive 4k TV from 2016. It's a better experience than a PS5 with newer 4k TV honestly, just for the 3D. Unfortunately not many games were made for PS3 3D :(
It would be awesome if this was possible! But Nintendo would not be making any sales on their consoles.. But i would buy all their games that work in 3D!! Otherwise Nintendo wont know I exist xD
@@WatchInVR1 Nintendo games would be the most technically simple for 3D because they have low polygon count and lo-res textures. I don't think it would compete against the Switch because of its price tag. Should the price of the 3D displays come down Nintendo could put a clause in the licensing agreement to be compensated for it.
I loved my 3D TV. I am still sorry to accidentally smash it with my vacuum cleaner. That was old 1080p samsung flicker 3D with glasses tech, but still good. Mad how 3D sort of went away.
I had Nvidia 3D Vision back in the day, and it was super cool, but I'm probably just nostalgic. I hope 3D becomes a thing again, and this shows a lot of potential.
It looks like to be the technology showed in the movie where ethan hunt intercepted the base in moscow, the "eye tracking" and real time rendering feature in that corridor.
I actually really enjoyed Geforce 3d Vision unfortunately it was just too much trouble and discomfort for long hours of gaming. I can't wait for this to become more readily available.
I want to know what they're actually doing to achieve this. 'Hardware this,' and, 'software that,' doesn't cut it when it's not explained, and I can find no in-depth explanation of what they're actually doing. A promo image on their website shows what implies a multi-layer display, which would make some amount of sense if they're aiming for a lenticular effect, and I've seen one video that uses lenticular as an analogy, though I'm not sure how direct that analogy was meant to be. Also price isn't a generational thing. While it might be cheaper on the manufacturing side, the consumer side won't see deep cuts. What will reduce costs is competition, assuming anyone else catches on. Sony apparently has a 3D panel coming, though I don't have details on it. There's also the Looking Glass, though that'll forever be expensive due to what they're doing. I'm curious to see what other companies pop into the competition with, assuming 3D enters it's fad phase and survives beyond the fad phase.
I had tried Nvidia 3D vision back in the day, and man it was mindblowing. I'm really sad it didn't stick because the technology truly does help with immersion and the experience just simply is better than without 3D. The problem is true though, I'm already a glasses wearer and now I have to wear these funky glasses? Ick... I'm surprised there's still a pursuit from manufacturers towards 3D technology, and honestly if Gordon is impressed I'll have to follow this technology and see where it's headed. Hopefully for the better and maybe in a few years I'll pick it up. Thanks Gordon for the reporting!
The glasses problem is mainly because we are still using the same conventional curved lens technology that has been in use for centuries. With the upcoming future of flat metalenses the addition of extra optics for 3D would be completely unnoticeable because the layers are so thin.
3D gaming isn't a new thing. Nintendo tried it with the Famicom (it failed due to high price). They thought of 3D gaming for SNES, but dropped it. The first glasses-free 3D screen was when Nintendo introduced the GameCube. It had the hardware and everything, and at E3 (or SpaceWorld, I don't remember) it had a 4-inch glasses-free 3D display. Sadly, it was scrapped after it was done. Then, 3DS came in, and it wasn't that good. Enter New 3DS with face-tracking tech, and it got better. Then, Nintendo never revisited it ever again.
A month ago this would have been interesting. After the announcement of the Framework 16, can I upgrade this laptop? Can I swap CPU,GPU, screen... 1100 for a screen is still interesting though
@@TheDigitalGuerrilla I don't see why Nvidia or AMD would care that much, since they still get to sell one laptop GPU die whether customers buy it as a standalone or as a package. In fact, they might earn more money with this approach since people are more willing to upgrade and pay big bucks for that if they could get just the GPU. People already upgrade GPUs much more frequently on desktop than their CPU platform.
I wouldn't say 3dVision failed so much as like all marketing fads Nvidia pulls, they just stop bothering to support it and it loses momentum. 3DV has a dedicated following and people who have spent tons of time modifying games to be compatible. And they are still going at it as far as they can get with the last released drivers before it was ripped out. Again, this is more on Nvidia. They only care as long enough as they can pay to get mediocre implementation into latest AAA games to be a marketing check box. Do some googling, there are a LOT of games that have had 3DV support added out there. Personally I just want 3D Vision in a headset. No VR just the 3d part so it's like a 3DS strapped to your face.
But what you wish for exists. It was called Helix Vision that was based on 3DVision. Or it did exist until a few months ago. The same system is still alive and you could try it out for yourself. They need people to test games out right now. Its free.
It's not good for my eyes I tried out at my local microcenter when it works it works well but if you're off by the slightest the immersion is gone that's the only problem
As a 3D enthusiast this video makes me really really angry at the tech industry. I want my 30 usd Tridef 3D software license back (That they took away from me when the company went bankrupt). I want to be able to buy a new 300 usd 3D monitor (which stopped being available to buy, before my last 3D monitor died). We had really cheap perfectly working 3D allready. I shouldn´t have to spend 3500 usd to get that back.
There are still 3D monitors out there. And you could still play games in 3D. Tridef and 3DVsion are still operational but not in a user friendly state.
@@WatchInVR1 Are there? I think I saw 3D vision screens but I don´t think they are compatible with the sbs format or something like that. Atleast I cannot renew my Tridef license which was supposed to be a life time license. There might be other ways but it seems difficult. Do you have any suggestions?
@@ulrikfriberg8995 this page seems to hold my comments and the people who manage this YT channel doesnt seem to keep an eye out for it. So I cant share any links. The monitor that still works with 3DVision is the Asus PG278QR. It would be good to look into this. But on my channel you can also see many games that are still possible to work with VR or 3D monitors with a little bit of effort.
@@ulrikfriberg8995 I am just new to the scene after recently purchasing a 3ds and being blown away. super frustrating reading forum posts from 10+ years ago talking about cheap easy to find 3d monitors :( I just want to experience crysis in 3d and it seems the only way that's gonna happen is a ghetto ass parallax barrier mod to my monitor.
It runs God of War and Shadow of the Tomb Raider with pleasing performance. Like Bart says, it also has an external monitor on display at the end of the video.
Even if the video can't make it justice, this looks like the future to me. Personally I find this more exciting than a VR headset and I wonder how amazing it could look combined with the technology that Creal actually is making for vr headsets to put objects in and out of focus according to their distance from the viewer. And I wonder when this will be available on a lerge display, but I guess that if they had to show 4k only on 15 inch displays, to see it on a regular 32 inch we should have to wait for 8k to become a resolution effectively usable by normal gpus. But yes, this seems so promising.
Well, since VR has been a roaring success and taken the market by storm, not to mention 3D movies and TV, this is a logical development. Thank you, hardware manufacturers, for thinking about us.
3d movies/tv did poorly because 95% of what was played as "3d" wasn't actually 3d, just some shitty fake 2d converted to 3d crap (it has to be filmed with 3d cameras, you cant really convert it) so you just got a poor experience for more money. The actual 3d stuff which was rare, looks great and totally worth it. Just a great example of greedy capitalism and stupid consumers killing something. Good VR is awesome, but its not only expensive but it needs different content, you cant really just convert stuff. So its harder to develop for and until the prices come down, its hard to get mass adoption. But as someone who has a higher end set up, its absolutely amazing with the right software and hardware and an experience thats just not remotely available anywhere else. Actually being in these worlds is entirely different from just watching it on a screen.
@@BorisBlade7 this is a very misleading comment. 3D movie enthusiasts have known for a long time that conversions are a good solution when done right. In fact, almost all films shot in "native" 3d end up going through conversion anyway to fix artifacts.
Sounds like you got to be rather close to the screen for this to work either way in order to get this moving at any level anywhere they need to standardize this technology
@@ChiquitaSpeaks Keep fellating your techtuber gods pleb. And make sure you buy shiny-new-thing every year to keep the corpos happy! Thank you for your consumerist defense o mighty tech knight!!
@@ChiquitaSpeaks to me of course! lol Cuz techtubers sure as well wont tell you the truth. Yknow like how the custom calibration firmware in this thing will likely only work with current GPU drivers and you will ONLY be able to update with OEM drivers. And thats IF they even continue to support such a niche product. Not to mention that this being a laptop, users will need to enable FSR or DLSS to get decent framerates - and those drivers sure as hell won't take some rando 3D laptop's custom eye tracking and 3D panel into consideration for it to all work properly. But you do you oh enlightened one *bows down humbly*
When it make's it's way into a major TV brand I'll take it seriously. If AI gets to a point that it can optimize a tv show or video game on the fly in real time. That's when it will become a serious must have thing. When the tech can basically optimize and decide what content needs to be in 3d and what doesn't with little user input then I'm a buyer. My only question is viewing angles? Do you have to be dead center to the screen or can you be off axis?
I never buy high end laptops because they ar enot upgradeable and become obsolete / eWaste very fast. But in a portable monitor .... now we are talking.
Honestly, if we can actually get proper, affordable, high-quality 3D on our screens in the not-too-distant future, I'd probably go for it! Between displays and GPU tech, we're definitely better poised to make better use of it than we were 10 years ago.
Hey, if Gordon says so then I'll take his word for it. I think he's right because this will definitely appeal to those who play MMO's as they already invest their time playing a game that is personal for each player. Moving characters into different areas of the gaming world with such great appeal is gonna be very enticing. I hope Guidlwars2 would be one of those games.
I don't mind wearing glasses for 3D, just as long as they don't strain my eyes and give me a headache, which has been the problem with every 3D setup that I've tried. But, if these 3D displays look as good without needing glasses, and there's no eyestrain or headaches from using it, then all the better. I'd probably give it a go at some point.
Asus has done a similar thing on some of their laptops, but they seem to be more focused on creative applications. Since the hardware implementation seems to be about identical, it would be good for them to get the software together so that games and creative applications can benefit as one joint standard.
Except this is not like that, were you not paying attention? This tracks your eyes, its not reliant on being in a specific spot. And the resolution is massively higher. You are comparing a model T to a Camaro, "people didnt like the slow model T, they wont like the camaro either"
@@BorisBlade7 Same exact gimmick. Thats why the 'giant' 40-inch 3DHDTVs of yesteryear failed - even those which did not require the glasses. Why do PC nerds keep falling for every single corpo trick now? This is the same failed tech shoved into a new box! Techtubers have really done a great job dumbing their viewers down.
They need to release a Software tools Dev-Kit for people to make their own 3d Mods, then it will get more people buying their screens or Laptops. preferably open source, but proprietary works too if it's free or included with a harware sale, best if it works without a time limit (no online check to use it required).
After the disappointment of the 3DS, anyone and everyone has a very uphill battle of convincing me that glasses free 3D gaming is back and worth anything. And I bet it still causes headaches after just a couple of minutes. And what's the framerate, how does two cameras impact the framerate? Also I don't understand the resolution. Gordon says it's a 2160p display but then says you only get 1080p for each eye? Huh? Am I playing at 2160p or 1080p if I use this? If it's not obvious, I remain utterly unconvinced. (to be clear, the 3DS itself is a great system with plenty of great games - but the 3D was incredibly disappointing. within the first week I was already turning it off in everything. Even the "New 3DS" with improved 3D didn't change much, I had the same experience with that one - on for a few minutes, then off shortly after. And permanently off after about a week of owning it.)
If you understand how the technology used in this display works (Very similar in function to the Official PlayStation 3D TV) then you'd have a pretty good understanding of what's going on here in regards to the resolution. Essentially, if you understand what 1080i is, in that the resolution is pretty much 540 × 1920 × 2 (i = interlaced) then take that concept and boost from 1080i to 2160p, but remove the interlacing but still split the resolution of the image for each eye, that is when you end up with 1080p per-eye, or, 2160p when 3D is switched off.
Maybe some people are more sensitive to the 3D effect. I ONLY use my 3DS in 3D mode and I can play for hours no problem. When I turn it off it makes the games look dull and flat, I couldn’t imagine playing that way after enjoying the 3D for so long.
@@longnamedude3947 Pretty much everything. I never played it back when it was released and I bought two of the New 3DS XL’s and a bunch of games a few years ago when they were ending production. I finally got around to installing Homebrew the other day and have been catching up on all the games I missed. Currently playing Metroid Samus Returns and Fire Emblem Awakening the most. Also started Ocarina of Time which I’ve never actually played believe it or not, and the 3D effect is great on that game.
RPCS3 + Gran Turismo 5 w/Head Tracking in 3D = Cannot he matched by any other Racing Sim for Visual Immersion of Depth when not using a VR Headset. It's crazy that GT5, a game from 2010, still hasn't been surpassed in this regard.
@@WatchInVR1 For me it'd be Flight Sim and Division 2. But it's really the Windows Phone app problem, everyone is going to have that one game that must be supported. Also, i'm not a laptop kind of guy anyway. Give me a monitor. A big monitor. A huge monitor monstrosity that has 3D.
I'm watching this through an Acer monitor that has a Nvidia 3D Vision sticker on it... never bothered to try it. ...don't have those glasses, they weren't packed in with the screen and i'm not buying discontinued 150€ glasses just to try something out that no one liked using anyway.
I believe you, in sure it looks amazing. But you have to convince a lot of gamers who rejected the 3d function on the 3ds. If it keeps the 3d effect without issue, let's you keep the same resolution, doesn't require a massive GPU, and you can experience it on all your favorite games, then it may be a winner. Y'all ask though
It's still going to fail... again. The laptop screens are too small for it to be immersive. It's another marketing gimmick that will push prices even higher with laptops. Do you think Acer can maintain optimizng all the games for this 3D tech? They can't even have consistent firmware for their monitors and we expect them to do this for all games? How many years will they support it? So many questions that Acer needs to nail... good luck!
I suspect they are showing it on small displays because to push this on a regular monitor like a 32 inch they should use 8k, which is at the moment it's still in many ways beyond what gpus can do (ok, a 4090 with dlss on certain games could do it to a degree but it's super expensive stuff). But I think that in maybe five, seven years this will look a much more feasible thing.
@Rah the optimizing is just pointing or adjusting the cameras to focus on your eyes. I'm talking about when he mentioned that Acer would optimize for application and games instead of letting the developers do the optimizing.
It doesn’t just need Acer’s support though. These monitors work with the existing library of 3D Vision fixes w/ Helixmod, which number in the thousands, as well as the emulators and games with native 3D support built in, i.e. Citra, Dolphin. So the entire Nintendo 3DS, GameCube and Wii libraries already have 3D support.
3D is incredibly well suited to video games. The interactivity mixed with depth really does feel Immersive. I played a 3D game on PS3 back in the day and even with glasses, it was incredible. If they can make that monitor larger and prices drop. That will be amazing! Converting games to 3D should be significantly easier than on films.
I am completely onboard with this! I have a passive glasses LG 1080p TV (and a New 3DS XL), and once you played games that supported 3D, like Tomb Raider or Crysis it is a fantastic experience, and once you turned the 3D off, you literally lost a whole dimension to the image. It is SO much easier to judge distance when you have stereoscopic vision. Another part of this as well is VR. I would rejoice if stereoscopic rendering becomes a standard in game development (both for VR and 3D monitors). It would also massively boost the amount of games you could use a VR headset for. Sure, they won't be as immersive as full VR games, but still, the stereoscopic vision and head-tracking is enough to make any game far more immersive, even if you play with a normal controller. I also think it would add immense value to purchasing a high quality PCVR headset. (as well as monitors like these)
I've mentioned this in another comment, but there's also a technology that CReal is developing for VR headsets to put images in and out of focus according to the distance from the viewer. While said like this it may sound necessarily incredible, it seems it looks super impressive and it adds a lot in terms of immersivity and how awesome it could be combining that technology with these 3d glassless displays for games.
Agreed, sitting in VR in front of a virtual 3D screen would be pretty cool. It's crazy it's not already standard practice.
Imagine that you can experience 3D effect like Nintendo 3DS but in resolution of 2k!
Soo what the 3ds did, but with a laptops
Yes!!! Bring back 3D gaming!
Works just like the 3ds. I loved the 3ds!
Now we just need 3d bluray and TVs to come back so I can watch Avatar 2 the way God intended
3D Blu-ray isn't dead yet! I am pretty sure Black Panther 2 is just about to release on the format this week lol
I wanted that Nvidia 3D Vision so bad back in the day, from what I've heard, I'm glad I didn't get it. But, it sounds like this tech may actually be able to deliver on what that promised. Hopefully its popular enough to keep being developed.
It was actually really amazing for the games that supported it. The screen had about a foot of depth added to it.
I'm still using nvidia vision and its excellent. The problem was one eyed reviewers who didn't set it up properly, and poor native game support. Fortunately since then, many hundreds of games have been fixed for 3d, and with 3d fix manager you can easily install the fixes. Helixmod has a list of games. Its unfortunate that nvidia gave up on it, but that hasn't stopped more games being fixed.
You have no slightest idea of what you've been missing. for me Nvidia 3D changed my gaming forever. games are still being fixed into an amazing 3d experience on an 120" projected screen.
3D Vision was... Interesting. Unfortunately I just couldn't do it. Major eye strain, nausea, etc. Was pretty dark even with the Nvidia Light Boost certified display I owned. Cool, but the shine wore off very quickly and I maybe used it for a total of 10 hours. I still actually have my 2nd gen 3D vision glasses and emitter but have had zero interest in touching it again.
@@Felttipfuzzywuzzyflyguy Pitty that because of missing the right setting and some tweaks you missed the experience. i finished a dozen of games including God of war, Nioh 2, Dead Space 1-2 and 3 and alot more.
Give me an OLED HDR glasses-less 3d experience on a 32" monitor and I'll buy it
I wonder if Valve's Proton can intercept the game camera and render the game twice from two views, making every game playable on a glasses-free 3D Deck 2.
I cannot believe I have not subscribed to your channel shame on me. I'm going to do that right now.
If they make this into a standalone monitor im buying it ASAP
after i saved up hahah
Nitendo DS has done it already in the past.
AMAZING ! Please bring it back !!
How about a modern game visual post-effects painted on another layer on-top of 3D scene itself?
What you are describing is the exact same as what Nintendo 3DS did back in 2010. Using a camera to track your position and change the scene to match. There was a universal driver that you could use that turned a 3D rendered game that uses Direct X and made it possible to render in Anaglyph and make use of shutter glasses as well as support other features. Some obscure companies tried this and disappeared quickly. Does NVidia still support their shutter glasses? Some other companies quickly drop support for this and it is unfortunate
Same tech that was in the SEGA 3D glasses back in....like 1988? People keep falling for this bs over and ove lol!
Nvidia dropped support in 2020. I keep a Windows 8.1 PC around for 3D vision.
So basically it's a high tech 3ds
With the possibility to experience every game ever made on PC like on the 3DS..
I use my Quest 2 these days to play my PC games in 3D/VR.
Notice how neither of those games was displaying a UI; the way they're doing their 3D-vision has the same issues with placing UI-elements correctly as every other tech that tries to apply 3D after-the-fact, instead of something that's baked into the game itself -- it works beautifully for some games, and it's complete trash for others.
It sounds like a nightmare once Windows overwrites the custom OEM graphics drivers on this thing!
@@cielazul713 It uses drivers that are based on directX11. As long as the game developer doesnt change this nothing serious would break.
Awesome! What great news! Thanks for covering this, I think it’s really cool to see 3D getting a second wind.
lots of amazing new tech being introduced in 2023
This may be great for people who have to wear prescription eye glasses and don't have to place a 3D glasses over there own eye glasses to get the same 3D effect experience like non eye glasses folks. This may also come to advertising in public places too.
I had the Nvidia 3D Vision kit back in the day and it was pretty cool for some games but I honestly spent most of my time trying to make games work properly. The support was pretty awful and Nvidia would rate games as being "Good" for 3D when they really weren't. 3D movies was the only time it worked flawlessly but 3D movies died too.
3D is still alive and well in the projector world. Many of the newest high end projectors are 3D capable.
3D looks cool!
I love 3D and am an avid collector of 3D Blu-rays, which are 2k resolution like Gordon says this monitor is. It sucks because Nvidia's Vision product is and was flawed. I really hope it will make a comeback.
Still use my PS3 with a LG Passive 4k TV from 2016. It's a better experience than a PS5 with newer 4k TV honestly, just for the 3D. Unfortunately not many games were made for PS3 3D :(
There is like 300+ games on pc in 3d.3d is alive but went underground.
They need to partner with Nintendo.
It would be awesome if this was possible! But Nintendo would not be making any sales on their consoles..
But i would buy all their games that work in 3D!! Otherwise Nintendo wont know I exist xD
@@WatchInVR1 Nintendo games would be the most technically simple for 3D because they have low polygon count and lo-res textures. I don't think it would compete against the Switch because of its price tag. Should the price of the 3D displays come down Nintendo could put a clause in the licensing agreement to be compensated for it.
@@0x8badbeef I don't think nintendo needs that partnership, seeing as they had very similar tech more than a decade ago...
I loved my 3D TV. I am still sorry to accidentally smash it with my vacuum cleaner. That was old 1080p samsung flicker 3D with glasses tech, but still good. Mad how 3D sort of went away.
I want Phasmophobia in 3D
I had Nvidia 3D Vision back in the day, and it was super cool, but I'm probably just nostalgic. I hope 3D becomes a thing again, and this shows a lot of potential.
You can use modern VR headsets to play flatscreen pc games in 3D
@@JustFeral oh i didn't know that. Thanks!
Hmm now only if I had a vr headset...
like a big 3DS.
It looks like to be the technology showed in the movie where ethan hunt intercepted the base in moscow, the "eye tracking" and real time rendering feature in that corridor.
I actually really enjoyed Geforce 3d Vision unfortunately it was just too much trouble and discomfort for long hours of gaming. I can't wait for this to become more readily available.
I want to know what they're actually doing to achieve this. 'Hardware this,' and, 'software that,' doesn't cut it when it's not explained, and I can find no in-depth explanation of what they're actually doing. A promo image on their website shows what implies a multi-layer display, which would make some amount of sense if they're aiming for a lenticular effect, and I've seen one video that uses lenticular as an analogy, though I'm not sure how direct that analogy was meant to be.
Also price isn't a generational thing. While it might be cheaper on the manufacturing side, the consumer side won't see deep cuts. What will reduce costs is competition, assuming anyone else catches on. Sony apparently has a 3D panel coming, though I don't have details on it. There's also the Looking Glass, though that'll forever be expensive due to what they're doing. I'm curious to see what other companies pop into the competition with, assuming 3D enters it's fad phase and survives beyond the fad phase.
I had tried Nvidia 3D vision back in the day, and man it was mindblowing. I'm really sad it didn't stick because the technology truly does help with immersion and the experience just simply is better than without 3D. The problem is true though, I'm already a glasses wearer and now I have to wear these funky glasses? Ick... I'm surprised there's still a pursuit from manufacturers towards 3D technology, and honestly if Gordon is impressed I'll have to follow this technology and see where it's headed. Hopefully for the better and maybe in a few years I'll pick it up. Thanks Gordon for the reporting!
The glasses problem is mainly because we are still using the same conventional curved lens technology that has been in use for centuries.
With the upcoming future of flat metalenses the addition of extra optics for 3D would be completely unnoticeable because the layers are so thin.
3D gaming isn't a new thing. Nintendo tried it with the Famicom (it failed due to high price). They thought of 3D gaming for SNES, but dropped it. The first glasses-free 3D screen was when Nintendo introduced the GameCube. It had the hardware and everything, and at E3 (or SpaceWorld, I don't remember) it had a 4-inch glasses-free 3D display. Sadly, it was scrapped after it was done. Then, 3DS came in, and it wasn't that good. Enter New 3DS with face-tracking tech, and it got better. Then, Nintendo never revisited it ever again.
It's funny that he's saying like it's a new thing and not once he mentioned NINTENDO 3DS!!! LOL
YES! I've been waiting for this tech! Come out soon !
I love the 3D on 3DS and been waiting for this for a long time, so happy that it's finally coming to market... Now we just need it in bigger size :D
A month ago this would have been interesting. After the announcement of the Framework 16, can I upgrade this laptop? Can I swap CPU,GPU, screen... 1100 for a screen is still interesting though
i was watching linus and yah dam that looks so good i hope it really becomes a thing
@@pennykaye9971 I fear they won't find anybody willing to sell them the parts. Too many big companies would lose big chunks of market
@@TheDigitalGuerrilla I don't see why Nvidia or AMD would care that much, since they still get to sell one laptop GPU die whether customers buy it as a standalone or as a package. In fact, they might earn more money with this approach since people are more willing to upgrade and pay big bucks for that if they could get just the GPU. People already upgrade GPUs much more frequently on desktop than their CPU platform.
if that was 1000 bucks Cad (monitor) I'd buy it.
so they bring back technologies from 10+ ago... got it!!
Ok but he’s wearing glasses though 🤓
Remind me of my good old new Nintendo 3ds xl 😂😂😂
Its hard to evaluate this for myself through a youtube video
It is something you have to see with your own eyes unfortunately. But you could experience what you see here on this monitor in VR as well.
$1100 for a 4K 3D monitor? We pay that and more for the 4K gpu. Can this be used in multi-monitor for Sim racing or Flight Simulator?
I highly doubt it. Tracking for one monitor is troublesome enough. And view angles can go only so much
Maybe this is around the corner. The possibility is here!
I don't need a laptop. I just need a 3D monitor.
okay that's pretty cool... sounds like a cooler upgrade than an OLED display if it supported a good number of games.
I wouldn't say 3dVision failed so much as like all marketing fads Nvidia pulls, they just stop bothering to support it and it loses momentum. 3DV has a dedicated following and people who have spent tons of time modifying games to be compatible. And they are still going at it as far as they can get with the last released drivers before it was ripped out.
Again, this is more on Nvidia. They only care as long enough as they can pay to get mediocre implementation into latest AAA games to be a marketing check box.
Do some googling, there are a LOT of games that have had 3DV support added out there.
Personally I just want 3D Vision in a headset. No VR just the 3d part so it's like a 3DS strapped to your face.
But what you wish for exists. It was called Helix Vision that was based on 3DVision. Or it did exist until a few months ago. The same system is still alive and you could try it out for yourself. They need people to test games out right now. Its free.
that just means that all you need is a webcam with 2 lenses and the software to have it on you house??
I wonder how these compare to Looking Glass?
It's not good for my eyes I tried out at my local microcenter when it works it works well but if you're off by the slightest the immersion is gone that's the only problem
We need bigger monitors for this! And higher refresh rate
The real question is has glasses-free 3D video finally arrived and does it make things pop ;)
You can change how deep things are inside and outside of the monitor.
As a 3D enthusiast this video makes me really really angry at the tech industry. I want my 30 usd Tridef 3D software license back (That they took away from me when the company went bankrupt). I want to be able to buy a new 300 usd 3D monitor (which stopped being available to buy, before my last 3D monitor died). We had really cheap perfectly working 3D allready. I shouldn´t have to spend 3500 usd to get that back.
There are still 3D monitors out there. And you could still play games in 3D. Tridef and 3DVsion are still operational but not in a user friendly state.
@@WatchInVR1 Are there? I think I saw 3D vision screens but I don´t think they are compatible with the sbs format or something like that. Atleast I cannot renew my Tridef license which was supposed to be a life time license. There might be other ways but it seems difficult. Do you have any suggestions?
@@ulrikfriberg8995 this page seems to hold my comments and the people who manage this YT channel doesnt seem to keep an eye out for it. So I cant share any links. The monitor that still works with 3DVision is the Asus PG278QR. It would be good to look into this. But on my channel you can also see many games that are still possible to work with VR or 3D monitors with a little bit of effort.
@@ulrikfriberg8995 I am just new to the scene after recently purchasing a 3ds and being blown away.
super frustrating reading forum posts from 10+ years ago talking about cheap easy to find 3d monitors :(
I just want to experience crysis in 3d and it seems the only way that's gonna happen is a ghetto ass parallax barrier mod to my monitor.
Gordon: losing weight? Looking svelte, dude! Nice work!
I just wish they introduce a 3D display instead, crappy laptop graphics hardware is really not enough for even current gen games
They are. Lol. Watch to the end if the video
It runs God of War and Shadow of the Tomb Raider with pleasing performance. Like Bart says, it also has an external monitor on display at the end of the video.
Even if the video can't make it justice, this looks like the future to me. Personally I find this more exciting than a VR headset and I wonder how amazing it could look combined with the technology that Creal actually is making for vr headsets to put objects in and out of focus according to their distance from the viewer. And I wonder when this will be available on a lerge display, but I guess that if they had to show 4k only on 15 inch displays, to see it on a regular 32 inch we should have to wait for 8k to become a resolution effectively usable by normal gpus. But yes, this seems so promising.
I've been playing old PC games in VR using Vorpx, and for some games it's amazing. Currently going through Resiudent Evil 4 remake with a VR mod.
Well, since VR has been a roaring success and taken the market by storm, not to mention 3D movies and TV, this is a logical development. Thank you, hardware manufacturers, for thinking about us.
3d movies/tv did poorly because 95% of what was played as "3d" wasn't actually 3d, just some shitty fake 2d converted to 3d crap (it has to be filmed with 3d cameras, you cant really convert it) so you just got a poor experience for more money. The actual 3d stuff which was rare, looks great and totally worth it. Just a great example of greedy capitalism and stupid consumers killing something. Good VR is awesome, but its not only expensive but it needs different content, you cant really just convert stuff. So its harder to develop for and until the prices come down, its hard to get mass adoption. But as someone who has a higher end set up, its absolutely amazing with the right software and hardware and an experience thats just not remotely available anywhere else. Actually being in these worlds is entirely different from just watching it on a screen.
@@BorisBlade7 this is a very misleading comment. 3D movie enthusiasts have known for a long time that conversions are a good solution when done right. In fact, almost all films shot in "native" 3d end up going through conversion anyway to fix artifacts.
Didn't Asus also announced 3D glassless panels in January?
Most staunch, not most staunchest.
3DS but 4k?
vorpx knows
I think the real benefit won't be in laptops, but in a variant of the Steam Deck.
Sounds like you got to be rather close to the screen for this to work either way in order to get this moving at any level anywhere they need to standardize this technology
Its just a 'big' Nintendo 3DS screen shoved into a laptop. Gordon's consumerist mind is blown lol
@@cielazul713 wow man you really summed it all up that’s it, puts crown 👑 on your head, nothing else to see here
@@ChiquitaSpeaks Keep fellating your techtuber gods pleb. And make sure you buy shiny-new-thing every year to keep the corpos happy! Thank you for your consumerist defense o mighty tech knight!!
@@cielazul713 were you wearing your crown when you said that because I’m not sure exactly if I was supposed to be listening to you?
@@ChiquitaSpeaks to me of course! lol
Cuz techtubers sure as well wont tell you the truth.
Yknow like how the custom calibration firmware in this thing will likely only work with current GPU drivers and you will ONLY be able to update with OEM drivers. And thats IF they even continue to support such a niche product. Not to mention that this being a laptop, users will need to enable FSR or DLSS to get decent framerates - and those drivers sure as hell won't take some rando 3D laptop's custom eye tracking and 3D panel into consideration for it to all work properly.
But you do you oh enlightened one *bows down humbly*
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Good job, thanks. Shadow Of The Tomb Raider was awesome as hell on my large screen tv with 3D.
Looks really cool. If they can make a 48inch version of the monitor I'll replace my 48 inch monitor.
The 3DS lives on. Maybe the next switch will have a glasses free 3d screen.
I sure hope not. I'm not paying for that when I only ever use my Switch in docked mode.
Need a dadicated chip who make 3d with any 2d content
When it make's it's way into a major TV brand I'll take it seriously. If AI gets to a point that it can optimize a tv show or video game on the fly in real time. That's when it will become a serious must have thing. When the tech can basically optimize and decide what content needs to be in 3d and what doesn't with little user input then I'm a buyer. My only question is viewing angles? Do you have to be dead center to the screen or can you be off axis?
Would this work in larger screen sizes?
No. This method of 3d which is using a parrallax barrier just like the 3ds works on small screens only.
@@phrasheekwerk354 There is no parallax barrier. You can change how far things move in or outside the monitor...
I wonder if Reshade works with this
I never buy high end laptops because they ar enot upgradeable and become obsolete / eWaste very fast. But in a portable monitor .... now we are talking.
Honestly, if we can actually get proper, affordable, high-quality 3D on our screens in the not-too-distant future, I'd probably go for it! Between displays and GPU tech, we're definitely better poised to make better use of it than we were 10 years ago.
Hey, if Gordon says so then I'll take his word for it. I think he's right because this will definitely appeal to those who play MMO's as they already invest their time playing a game that is personal for each player. Moving characters into different areas of the gaming world with such great appeal is gonna be very enticing. I hope Guidlwars2 would be one of those games.
Looking forward to seeing these appear on eBay when the owners can't live with them anymore.
@Acer 🤝 @Samsung
Tú "glassless 3D" tecnología en la teléfono📱 = 💵💵💵...
Glasses-Free?
Dude is literally wearing glasses.
You're wearing glasses though 😅
I don't mind wearing glasses for 3D, just as long as they don't strain my eyes and give me a headache, which has been the problem with every 3D setup that I've tried. But, if these 3D displays look as good without needing glasses, and there's no eyestrain or headaches from using it, then all the better. I'd probably give it a go at some point.
Active 3d glasses are the ones that are uncomfortable. Passive ones are better for sure. Or glasses free like this
Asus has done a similar thing on some of their laptops, but they seem to be more focused on creative applications. Since the hardware implementation seems to be about identical, it would be good for them to get the software together so that games and creative applications can benefit as one joint standard.
Nintendo did this with the 3DS but it wasn't super popular, lots of users disabled it. If you move your head around, it breaks the effect.
Except this is not like that, were you not paying attention? This tracks your eyes, its not reliant on being in a specific spot. And the resolution is massively higher. You are comparing a model T to a Camaro, "people didnt like the slow model T, they wont like the camaro either"
@@BorisBlade7 Same exact gimmick. Thats why the 'giant' 40-inch 3DHDTVs of yesteryear failed - even those which did not require the glasses. Why do PC nerds keep falling for every single corpo trick now? This is the same failed tech shoved into a new box!
Techtubers have really done a great job dumbing their viewers down.
@@cielazul713 lmao this Ciel guy has been spamming all over this video with that crap
They need to release a Software tools Dev-Kit for people to make their own 3d Mods, then it will get more people buying their screens or Laptops.
preferably open source, but proprietary works too if it's free or included with a harware sale,
best if it works without a time limit (no online check to use it required).
Switch 2?
We will see, but I doubt prices will come down. Good monitors have always been and continue to be expensive.
After the disappointment of the 3DS, anyone and everyone has a very uphill battle of convincing me that glasses free 3D gaming is back and worth anything. And I bet it still causes headaches after just a couple of minutes. And what's the framerate, how does two cameras impact the framerate? Also I don't understand the resolution. Gordon says it's a 2160p display but then says you only get 1080p for each eye? Huh? Am I playing at 2160p or 1080p if I use this?
If it's not obvious, I remain utterly unconvinced.
(to be clear, the 3DS itself is a great system with plenty of great games - but the 3D was incredibly disappointing. within the first week I was already turning it off in everything. Even the "New 3DS" with improved 3D didn't change much, I had the same experience with that one - on for a few minutes, then off shortly after. And permanently off after about a week of owning it.)
If you understand how the technology used in this display works (Very similar in function to the Official PlayStation 3D TV) then you'd have a pretty good understanding of what's going on here in regards to the resolution.
Essentially, if you understand what 1080i is, in that the resolution is pretty much 540 × 1920 × 2 (i = interlaced) then take that concept and boost from 1080i to 2160p, but remove the interlacing but still split the resolution of the image for each eye, that is when you end up with 1080p per-eye, or, 2160p when 3D is switched off.
3DS has good 3D. The base model wasn't very good in the tracking department but the New 3DS is amazing
Maybe some people are more sensitive to the 3D effect. I ONLY use my 3DS in 3D mode and I can play for hours no problem. When I turn it off it makes the games look dull and flat, I couldn’t imagine playing that way after enjoying the 3D for so long.
@@JaguarXJ What games do you play?
@@longnamedude3947 Pretty much everything. I never played it back when it was released and I bought two of the New 3DS XL’s and a bunch of games a few years ago when they were ending production. I finally got around to installing Homebrew the other day and have been catching up on all the games I missed. Currently playing Metroid Samus Returns and Fire Emblem Awakening the most. Also started Ocarina of Time which I’ve never actually played believe it or not, and the 3D effect is great on that game.
They need a way for it to show up well on camera before anyone is going to buy it
RPCS3 + Gran Turismo 5 w/Head Tracking in 3D = Cannot he matched by any other Racing Sim for Visual Immersion of Depth when not using a VR Headset.
It's crazy that GT5, a game from 2010, still hasn't been surpassed in this regard.
80 games are nothing unless they support the few I actually play.
What games do you think should be supported Kevin?
@@WatchInVR1 For me it'd be Flight Sim and Division 2. But it's really the Windows Phone app problem, everyone is going to have that one game that must be supported. Also, i'm not a laptop kind of guy anyway. Give me a monitor. A big monitor. A huge monitor monstrosity that has 3D.
I'm watching this through an Acer monitor that has a Nvidia 3D Vision sticker on it... never bothered to try it. ...don't have those glasses, they weren't packed in with the screen and i'm not buying discontinued 150€ glasses just to try something out that no one liked using anyway.
I liked it and still use it. Its amazing!!! xD There are many who still use it! Can I buy your monitor?
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no, wear your glasses
That Nintendo Switch 3D screen....
3D, eh? I'll bet you mean, VR.
not VR..
He He He Ha
I believe you, in sure it looks amazing. But you have to convince a lot of gamers who rejected the 3d function on the 3ds. If it keeps the 3d effect without issue, let's you keep the same resolution, doesn't require a massive GPU, and you can experience it on all your favorite games, then it may be a winner. Y'all ask though
It's still going to fail... again. The laptop screens are too small for it to be immersive. It's another marketing gimmick that will push prices even higher with laptops. Do you think Acer can maintain optimizng all the games for this 3D tech? They can't even have consistent firmware for their monitors and we expect them to do this for all games? How many years will they support it? So many questions that Acer needs to nail... good luck!
I suspect they are showing it on small displays because to push this on a regular monitor like a 32 inch they should use 8k, which is at the moment it's still in many ways beyond what gpus can do (ok, a 4090 with dlss on certain games could do it to a degree but it's super expensive stuff). But I think that in maybe five, seven years this will look a much more feasible thing.
In the video Gordan says that you can optimize the games yourself for 3d.
@Rah the optimizing is just pointing or adjusting the cameras to focus on your eyes. I'm talking about when he mentioned that Acer would optimize for application and games instead of letting the developers do the optimizing.
It doesn’t just need Acer’s support though. These monitors work with the existing library of 3D Vision fixes w/ Helixmod, which number in the thousands, as well as the emulators and games with native 3D support built in, i.e. Citra, Dolphin. So the entire Nintendo 3DS, GameCube and Wii libraries already have 3D support.
@@ptose I wouldnt mind a 24-27 inch display. As it is, 15 inches is just too small for a non laptop form factor.
I'm down. Speaking of developer support, I bet the Adult Entertainment industry will probably lead the charge. They love novelty.
not fair he is using 3d glasses