Trans Sports | Jon Pike

Are transathletes a minority group that warrant special protection? Is the purpose of sport to be inclusive or fair? Should the Olympics exclude the best athletes because they are professionals?
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[@CasualPhilosophy]

So much of this issue comes down to a lack of any clear account of what "fairness" amounts to in sport

[@DIDHEJUST]

Love that all points are accompanied by examples, lovely conversation!

[@nubula1016]

What if trans athletes don't want to play shport, but insist on playing sport?

[@bismillah5060]

This guy probably gave some of the worst arguments and defenses of his position that I could imagine. What an absolute waste of time.

[@jollyscholar888]

There is nothing to discuss. The biology and the technology at this time is self-evident. We already know the purpose in having separate male and female sports. This "pitch" factor is not relevant. Fairness is not even a factor. The game is no longer salient if men are playing against women. No one is interested except people with a political agenda. The only argument worth pursuing is a political argument- which is completely contrary to why we have sports- as opposed to political maneuvering and actual battlefield battles.
a man 6'8'' has an "unearned" benefit...a political definition, not a sport consideration. Sports develops cultural values and physical excellence. Men playing against women accomplishes neither objective.

[@Clem62]

We really must have a trans ballet company. Both trans identified men and women. I'd watch it. Would be a hoot.

[@OddawallWood]

Women might have an advantage in extreme events like long distance running or swimming.

[@BraininaVat]

Sounds like we need to Harrison Bergeron them to make things fair when they compete against men. How big does the millstone need to be for a 200 mile race?

[@OddawallWood]

@@BraininaVat In long distance swimming, women dominate the sport; so if anyone gets a milestone, likely they be women. I know that people compete in 100 mile races. We have one here in the San Gabriel Mountains. I don't know about 200 mile races, but I wonder if women might have an advantage. In dogsled racing in Alaska, women compete with men and sometimes they win.

[@OddawallWood]

@@karlgimmedatforfreemarx The Iditarod received more attention outside of the state (of Alaska) after the 1985 victory of Libby Riddles, a long-shot who became the first woman to win the race. The next year, Susan Butcher became the second woman to win the race and went on to win in three more years.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iditarod_Trail_Sled_Dog_Race

[@OddawallWood]

@@karlgimmedatforfreemarx Florence May Chadwick (November 9, 1918 - March 15, 1995)[1] was an American swimmer known for long-distance open water swimming. She was the first woman to swim the English Channel in both directions, setting a time record each time. She was also the first woman to swim the Catalina Channel, the Straits of Gibraltar, the Bosporus (one way), and the Dardanelles (round trip)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Chadwick

[@OddawallWood]

@@karlgimmedatforfreemarx Diana Nyad /ˈnaɪˌæd/ (née Sneed; born August 22, 1949) is an American author, journalist, motivational speaker, and long-distance swimmer.[2] Nyad gained national attention in 1975 when she swam around Manhattan (28 mi or 45 km) and in 1979 when she swam from North Bimini, The Bahamas, to Juno Beach, Florida (102 mi or 164 km).[3] In 2013, on her fifth attempt and at age 64, she became the first person claiming to have swum from Cuba to Florida without the aid of a shark cage, swimming from Havana to Key West (110 mi or 177 km) although this has not been formally ratified by any recognised swim body.[4]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Nyad

[@juliawall8335]

Nope