That “dating dungeon” thing was weird and at first I was like “well okay, bit odd but alright”. Then he drops down the age menu and my jaw actually dropped… Even their location is put in there, what does this have to do with gameplay besides being entirely creepy in every sense and actively looking for something predatory?
honestly dating system was great, once you started chating with someone you can choose the level of the onsters in the dungeon and how much exp will every person get (from 0% to 100% ) I had high levels friends who would use one of their daily dates to "date me" just to help me level up. I hide at some corner while they do all the killing lol and they gave me 100% exp!
@@renabp1138 Yeah but that isn't a function of the dating system. The dating system is incredibly creepy. What you described could have been achieved through a regular party system tied to a mentorship mechanic.
@@Sturmensky honestly i think dd (dating system) was a fantastic feature. Also, i don’t know what u mean by: “that isn’t a feature of the datong system” literally i was just describing to you how it was “dating” on Luna XD. Also it is lot different from regular party bc u and ur date were teletransported to a private “dungeon” (small one) so there was no other players interfering in yout leveling uvu it was Nice, periodt!
The weird size change thing and randomly calling a character a "pervert" didn't really get to me. What got to me was the fact that you can search for players by their age. The fact that the ages of players for a "child-friendly game" is exposed for all to see is really creepy and suspicious. Definately sounds like some kind of preditory shit is going on here.
Excuse me, I need to go take a mental shower and scrub my brain until it bleeds after your comment sunk in. No debating it, and I hope this game no longer exists as of writing this.
The size changing pills look like they harken back to Alice in Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass, which combined with the dating dungeon, the sexualized NPCs, etc looks really suspicious.
I honestly don't think it's supposed to be predatory, although it could be used as such. It was probably for people looking for someone with the same interests, around the same age and in the same state. So that people can easily make real life friendships and relationships out of it. Idk if it's just a difference of culture, but in America it's definitely a weird thing to have.
Right? When I was a kid under 10 I was still hit on by adults in fucking Virtual Magic Kingdom. There are so many horror stories out there of kids being groomed in online games like this. Why would you want to encourage that in your game?
@@vaan_ big facts. its why they love belle delphine so much cause shes like a real life loli they dont have to worry about having the fbi show up for watching.
Realistically the "age does not matter" choice is the only sane one, cause if you're just playing a game you genuinely don't care about other players' age. The only people who'd care enough to choose an age bracket are those who want to find a specific age with most likely bad intentions ;;
Date dungeon moniker aside, I wouldn't mind a system that helped me meet more gamers who are out of school/college. Once you make the transition from schooling to working, scheduling changes a ton, and finding people 24+ish would make it so much easier to build lasting friendships online. I also imagine once I hit mid 30s in like, a decade, my ham ng habits will have changed a lot, and I will be looking for people in the same position. Allowing people to search for kids specifically is obviously fucked, but not age search in general. I think the problems here are the name, and being too specific. Time zone for location would be awesome because as an east coaster, it sucks to get along with people, then have to hop off 3 hours early because they're on west. My worst time playing an mmo was when I was doing week 1 Savage clears in ff14, building a team only based on skill, then ending up with a squad where I ended up screwing over my sleep too accommodate late time zones. Once I started to include time zone reqs of east or central, I was having a much better time. Age too I think is fine when you take out age ranges less than 18 or something like that. Calling it friend finder or any party system just makes it less creepy without doing much at all.
Honestly the only thing stopping this game from being a prime child predation site is the fact that nobody plays it. Seriously, a system called "date dungeon" that lets you sort by CHILD? And it shows where you live, information you probably entered in and thought was private info but is just freely shown. Seriously, I know Discord has a child predator system, but at least the predators have to look for their victims, here it just lists them.
@@RSBDeprecated I don't know that it's discord fault though I mean you cannot monitor millions of accounts it's just not possible create a system thay flags them and home the system dosent get outsmarted
"Dungeon Date" its features like that in these kids of game that make me wish Josh would make female toons whenever he does these 'Anime' styled MMO's. Just to see how quickly his chat is flooded by the few creeps that DO play it.
Wait, are you implying people remember how to RP, or that people now assume that ingame gender equals real gender? Or that everyone is the social constructionist type and doesn't care, but does assume age is real? I'm so confused.
@@VandroiyIII well first off, I see the mistype. it should say "kind" not "kid". Also, it is referencing the fact that there are a fair number of creeps that will hit on/flirt with any female toon they find, hoping to have hooked a 'gamer girl'. The sad truth is if he made a female toon on those 'anime' styled games, he probably WOULD be flooded with whispers.
@@thomasallen3570 Interesting. Why is that sad? Compared to the usual insults, politics, and trolling, Flirting doesnt't sound like a bad meta? Unless they're outright using spambots or something. I mean, it would have to be pretty mental to undercut the gameplay, lol
Wow, that date dungeon is beyond creepy. Not so much the dating aspect, but the age search is surely breaking some privacy and child endangerment laws. That system needs to be gutted and removed and thrown into the seventh layer of hell.
The calling someone a pervert is a common 'cheap' laugh out of animes aimed at kids, preteens, or teenagers so not totally unexpected out of a game that pretends to aim at that demographic. The 'date dungeon' is..... well it's fucking disgusting.
@@nafrililystone okie I gotta debunk it right here. Perverted Weeb in Japan is also a very niche but big spender demographic. Most normal Japanese people rarely knew about anime out side few popular ones, some not at all
You mean the picture of a stylized fantasy anime character that mimics the look of a woman ... with a speech bubble over it? Besides that, I know what you mean and I find it as inappropriate as you do. But that is just the manifestation of the thoughts of some weirdo. But do we know if this isn't just laziness or bad translation? All of this is nothing against the built in child grooming functionality. Send these pedo-enablers(the game company) where they belong: To jail! Also: One should keep a good distance between yourself and people who can't distinct between reality and fiction/games/books/art/pictures/ideas/films ...
The Demon Race used to be a sort of "Advanced Class" that you could only pick if you had reached a certain level and it's story and starting area was completely different at one point.
Yeah, you'd need atleast 1 level 50 character before you could try out Majin. Then when you create one, you'll immediately be lvl 50, honestly it was a pretty cool character.
@@solidus_spence It wasn’t this bad back in the day. The original company that hosted it did a much better job. This is what happened after they closed the server and fans kickstarted this version. This is what happens when weebs are allowed any kind of power
Frankly the best thing about this game is the speech bubbles of the monsters, those messages are freaking hilarious, It's proof we really need a comedy focused/absurdist MMO that's well made XD
"They can't all of them be King Slime" I mean... go tell that to the emperor penguins. EDIT: I could swear that gnoll's soundclip was from something in Ragnarok Online.
I think King Slime was also used in Dragon Warrior/Dragon Quest too since there are slimes in that game. I had the Game Boy version and I think I ran into that mob at some point, a Slime with a crown.
AIM was only discontinued at the end of 2017 (and has been resurrected, along with MSN messenger, as part of the Phoenix messenger suite). I'm not sure exactly how I would say this fact influences how people should interpret yours, but it's a thing I learned after thinking "isn't AIM actually still around?" to myself and learning I was (sort of) wrong.
@@benjaminmiddaugh2729 It might have been discontinued in 2017 but its still pretty old and not many people used it, plus I don't have any problem with them using it since I still use MSN through escargot lol
I noticed there seems to be 3 types of MMOs that keep creeping up in the series: - Hardcore MMOs that don't want to railtoad the player, often by having experienced players take the job of teachers to their fresh bretheren, but without any population, thee is nobody to teach and the game feels empty and unguided. - MMOs that used to be fairly good, but ended up becoming a shell of themselves, getting patched with way to many unbalanced mtx with most of the retaining playerbase staying because they don't want to lose the money and time they invested. - MMOs that are genuinely bad from the start, but catch players with a gimmick, but unlike many "unique" MMOs, these ones failed with their gimmick.
Eyyyy, used to play this back then too. My cousin created a girl character for me and told me I'd thank him later lmao. Lo and behold, I got to around 70-80 and it was a fucking nightmare to level up because mobs kill you in 5 hits (I was playing Rogue with barely any EVA). Then someone told me about DDs (short for Date Dungeons) and just bit the bullet tried it out. I then got 10 levels from just 1 hour of DDs and at that point I said, fuck this game lol. Luckily, the people I've met weren't even creepy because they were also desperate to get out from the mob grinding lmao
@@JoNarDLoLz once I made an alt character on guild wars and I decided to play as a girl, just because. But instead of making a super hot babe I decided to make an intentional unattractive lioness mage with battle scars and a bad back. I still got one guy playing the lion race trying to flirt with me...
As someone who grew up playing the original Luna Online and Luna Plus, (it was my very first MMO) to hear the announcement that Suba Games would be bringing it back, was astounding not just to myself but to thousands of others. Then to see it be tarnished and spit on, was heartbreaking. I seriously didn't think that my very first MMO would make a pitiful come back like this and I curse Suba Games for it. They just did it for a quick buck and all of us original fans realized that. This isn't what I or anyone else wanted.
Thia video caught my eye because I used to play Luna Online and Plus for awhile after it came out. After watching even a small portion into this video about Reborn I had to quit watching. It does not in any way capture the greatness of the original Luna Online.
Well, all of the games he checks out were being handed from company to company, each one making them worse and worse so no wonder It's like a curse lol
I loved this game when I was 14/15. Spent HOURS playing before I even realized it was a "date dungeon mmo" I had reached lv115 and the only way to grind past that was the date dungeons 😂🤣
My god, I actually played this as a kid and it was actually a lot of fun when it was official. I honest to God don't remember the cash shop (though I'm sure it existed off-site/out of game). The MMO itself died when gPotato went under, and since then, the fans kinda went wild with the source codes. The version in this video is actually moderated by fans as stated, and this means skills, exp, level-locked classes/races, etc was unlocked or modified manually by the fan who made themselves admin. The npc dialogue wasn't ever that bad, from what I remember, but the monster dialogue was added in as an April fools event or something back in official days, but I guess the fans never um, removed that. From what I remember, I had a lot of fun with this MMO back when it was run officially.
They're playing a fan remaster of an anime MMORPG, I'd be surprised if they've ever met anyone before. Not like us truly radical dudes who watch videos of a guy playing godawful MMOs...
So I played this back in 2009/2010 when it launched and the rabbit hole goes a looot deeper... For starters, this current iterarion of Luna online is like the 5th attempt to revive the game after its official servers closed in NA (it had an orinigal Korean version wich held strong for a while), suba games seems to only buy rights to dead games to try and profit from nostalgia, they developed 0% of the original game.. And before i go any further, let me declare my bias with this game, I met my first Online friends in this game and even went to some anime conventions with a few, so i have very fond memories of the original and spent good times in each iteration´s forums/guilds so suffice to say i see this with a midl- to high rose tint lol I did not notice how sketchy the date dungeon seemed to outsiders until you mentioned it , but we´ll talk about that one in a bit, i no longer play this game but i had a lot of experience with it in my younger years The game was oficially ported to america by Gpotato (where i met my friends) and it did its best to hold strong triying to localize what the original Korean Devs made, but alas , like any meh-decent 2010´s mmorpg it didnt last more than 2-ish years , but before it closed it spawned many "private" severs hosting altered rates , events and cosmetics wich really fixed some of the worse parts IMO , making it a decent fun game to play ! I moved a lot inbetween these as some managed to fund their server hostings and others failed, a lot of experimentation with the game source code happened among these people and some trully creative stuff has made adapting what the Korean Devs kept making, im not too sure when those closed but thats around the time it all started to fall apart, with no more content to add a lot more servers fell and some managed stable populations until a few years ago, I no longer know if they are active but the pages are still up At this point id talk about suba games´s ploy to cashgrab , but you might think Im still awfully quiet about that date dungeon thing, lets talk about that one first: Date Dungeons where a feature even when I first played Luna, and i dont have super clear memories of how it worked in there but the original idea never changed too much, you put some data In, add some likes and dislikes and look for matches, then you complete a small dungeon instance with a partner and win a good chunk of XP, In hindsight Id be suprised if something sketchy wasnt going on within some communities and yet; It was most dedicated players´s understanding that you only used it for leveling and mayybe meeting friends at best, the gender was linked to your characters gender and you could originally only "Date" the opposite gender so guilds would organize to level in pairs and boost eachother up until the weekly "DD limit" of each character, "mules" where very popular for this reason too, you could also raise the dungeons level and earn eve more exp for beating tougher monsters, so yo could boost a low lvl character with a hight level friend in one or two dungeons, so these leveling functionalities where most likely why it stayed in the game up until now, it was one of the best leveling methods, especially for alt characters The UI was never changed much even on the privater servers except for enabling any gender matches for easier leveling and just flat out removing the likes and dislikes, wich btw gave you a match % with anyone depending on the options picked, online dating functions where a bit more common back then i think, doesnt make them any less excusable now in hindsight however, you even had PUBLICLY displayed hearts between you and someone close to you with a high %match you could disable these and if i remember well the system was moderated often and they had people monitoring it in the official release so it didnt become too big of a festering ground for gpotato to manage It was not monitored that strongly on the private servers but most people in them where already veterans from gpotato or friends of them since it was a bit complicated to install the private clients, so Im assuming the idea of them used as just weekly exp dungeons held within most sub-communities after gpotato closed , in fact if my memories dont fail me i think the community asked for the date dungeons to stay when suba online wanted to flat out remove them in their own release , since they wehere such a good source of exp, same thing happened on some previous clients too Now to close out, the suba games situation, long story short, they promised the Luna online communities the world and took our money while we still believed them , they went as far as to close one of the most popular private servers after their advertisement campains WITHIN those same servers didnt give them enough money for their CRWODFUND campaign, so the Luna fandom even FUNDED their launch and steam greenlight , but when they had all they needed they just went silent and never followed up on promises and suggestions by the community, so the luna online you see in this video Is but the shadow of the shadow of what it once was on NA , i think some servers survive until today and there was a Luna Online 2 rebranded to some other name by the same Korean Devs, but its also pretty much forgotten for the NA community (that i know) Its a sad story for me because the game felt like it could ve been great but many circumstances prevented it from growing properly and its community was spread out, some of us never lost hope but i think Suba killed most of it , sadly, Oh and the game now has a bot feature wich never existed, so you can now program a bot for your character and letting it roam the wolrd , making it look like the game still has active players, wich is most likely what Josh found while playing, a lot of the good stuff invented by the private servers was never put in this version too, so its not even a good luna online version to play for nostalgia.
You were definitely right about the private servers one. Actually, the private servers of these bad MMOs were exponentially better because they understood the flaws and strengths of the game and developed systems that help make the game better to play. I used to hop on private servers around back then, but the one that stuck with me was Celestia Luna, it reduced the pay-to-win aspect of the game, though it still remained, it was more so minor advantages, while simple tools like fast travelling, stat potions, materials, and leveling were made available to everyone. In regards with Date Dungeon, same thing I felt, I never really thought too much about the matching system, but all I know is that it was the best leveling method you could do in this game, especially when you reach around 60-90, it becomes painful to level up chars that barely has any gear when mobs hit like a truck.
Celestia Luna also used the pre-Plus version of Luna which was more polished and I've heard it was quite preferred by many people as Plus removed a lot of beloved skills for example. I played on Aeterna Luna for a pretty good amount of time which unfortunately was decently P2W (you could earn some premium currency with votes but there was stuff like stat-boosting costumes) but also did a good mix of Plus and vanilla like restoring many of the old skills. Celestia is still going strong surprisingly enough from what I've found out. I sometimes feel like diving into Celestia for nostalgia reasons but I know I'd get easily bored, played too many more enticing games at this point and it lacks things I like doing in MMOs.
@@marcelleyva3278 I'm not playing MMOs that much anymore, mostly sticking to Warframe currently since I can do stuff pretty much by myself, outside that sometimes bouncing in and off GW2. Used to play WoW a lot but not anymore since my guild broke up and then the entire lawsuit situation happened. Tried ESO and FF14 but neither really stuck with me.
I know I'm super late to the party, but this and another comment further above (which explains the Gpotato-to-Suba-Games situation from what I would say is a sloghtly more matter-of-fact perspective) need pinned.
What strikes me is how many hours some of the reviewers have played of this "game". The "Run away from this game" person has logged eighty days worth of game time, including almost twelve days worth after their review. Bots ahoy!
“If this game were a spice, it would be flour. If this game was a music genre, it would be empty room ambience.” I forgot how funny these two lines where holy shit.
ngl the dialogue random enemies get is probably my favorite part of the game lol, it's so ridiculous and funny to imagine happening with story-important enemies
Back when this game first released for a western audience, I was absolutely hooked. The cute anime style definitely helped lure me in as a child, though it being "kid friendly" is the fattest lie I've ever seen. If my memory serves right, the patcher would change its background wallpaper randomly, and 2 of them were very sus and overly sexual for a supposed kid friendly game. I think they can be found online, they were official arts after all. One of them had the elf and human girl in provocative outfits with their breasts nearly spilling out of their dress, the other was them in their cutesy, kid-like chibi forms kissing on a bench... Needless to say, I had to be really careful hiding this game from my parents lol.
On top of that, I remember how 80% of the community would engage in very deplorable behavior. I used to see a bunch of players hang out in the starter area wearing nothing but their underwear and start sexting beginners. Age wasn't a matter of concern, I was 11 at the time and a lot of grown men tried to bribe me into becoming their girlfriends in exchange for some cash shop items. Another guy I thought was decent at first, went the extra mile when he found out I played tales runner and said he'd buy me one of the premium characters if I gave him a skype call. I dismissed it back then because it wasn't uncommon for mmorpgs to have weirdos. But now that I think about it, Luna Online made it easier for them.
I dont ever remember anyone saying it was ever kid friendly thats really my only problem with this whole thing. The box art literally has 2 elf girls with their tids falling out of their tops. Like I get waht everyone's saying in general but I don't get how it suddenly 20 years later became a kids game when it never was one. That's just a perception that frankly seems very shallow to me. It has a chibi art style, therefore its for kids? But it never was so that's wrong. I dunno makes no sense and then suddenly everything is a fetish for kids thing idk how this video got to this point but its creepier than the game to just randomly assume everything was made by pedos in order to attract children when NOTHING seems to say that at all about this outdated almost 20 year old random korean mmo. Maybe a bit of projection by the video creator.
@@cenciende9401it’s not by itself, but with context you can see what the intent of the creator was and whether it’s sexual or not. Also, in many places breasts are unfortunately viewed as inherently or usually sexual so…yeah, paired with everything else, in this case I think it’s fair to point out that the busty/skimpy art might be at least *questionable* in the context it’s presented in.
luna online was basically the first MMO where "it's ok to KS others" was a thing and it helped further the death of what was MMO etiquette, which basically doesn't exist today
reminds me of several players who complained about "kill stealing"...AFTER REPEATEDLY DOING IT THEMSELVES. ok, not exactly, they "aggroed" enemies six at a time, repeatedly, for a long time, then complained when i "stole" JUST ONE. oh, and then there was one a player who bad-mouthed me in open chat for a long time after i killed her "monster friend"...a quest boss.
Though many actually good MMOs these days have kind of managed to get rid of kill stealing by awarding stuff based on contribution instead of kill or simply giving each player who had anything to do with the kill the same amount of loot and XP (AKA "Guild Wars 2 is communism!")
I would love to see Animal Jam (both mobile and computer versions), Star Stable online and Fer.al in this series. I have spent so much time in them, and I *know* I've become blind to annoying details and the massive amount of faults that exist within them. Not to mention the field day that is AJ's cash and VIP system.
@@nebufabu It's free up to lvl 5. You're confined to the starting area and I believe the closest adjacent one/s and you'll be stuck with the starter horse. But yes, if you want to progress at all after that you'd have to pay. Whether it's expensive or not depends on perspective, SSO is ~$19 for three months (that's ~$6,3 per month) and World of Warcraft is ~$15 for one month (like many other popular MMOs). Then there's also the lifetime option for SSO at ~$107 and the cheaper bulk price for some MMOs, which can't be properly compared.
@@nebufabu Yea it is there are 3 tyes. Also amount is in USD for me as I live in the US. There is a 1 month (8.49) 3 month (20.99) and lifetime. (They have a sale rn so idk the og lifetime price rn its 63.75). This is on top of the fact that they relise horses often which cost quite a bit and you only get 100 SC a week on fryday. Srry this was long lol
Used to play this game with the ex 12 years ago when it was run by gPotato. We had fun with it, but we were also young, couldn't afford a better MMO, and living in different countries. Edit: came back to say that apparently another version of this game, titled "Celestia Luna Online", exists and celebrated its 10th anniversary last year, despite the gPotato version opening in NA in 2009 and closing in 2012.
I remember playing the original Luna Online back when I was around 12-14. Looking back I have fond memories of the friends I made, but I shudder at the hindsight of realizing how weird and creepy some of the stuff in that game was.
I wish you'll make a "almost unknown game that is actually pretty good" content too 🤔 for those looking for a good new game and help the proper newbie developers 😆 plus atleast you'll get a break from all the crap ones 😅
I'm really pressed about that game because it seems like it could actually be good. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, it hasn't been developed in since 2019. The Steam forum for it is pretty active though.
The only way a good MMO would be small nowadays is if it's old. with 10 remaining whales funding 1 remaining dev and a server. He actually rewiewed a couple ones like that, and it's usually a sad sight...
The pirate ship doing a 360 is a legit thing. I was in one at a university October-Fest like 15 years ago. No straps. Just a bar. My date lost her phone. It was the kind of fun you’re glad to survive and never do again.
@@hilvystewy7298 still blows my mind that the best sao game is the one sao game that has the most different setting and gameplay which is also based on what is imo the second worst arc in the show.
@@silverreaps6803 i know ur comment is old but it's so sad to see too. So many anime have great stories or a great world that could work very well in games but most of em get butchered
I'm going to write a fanfic where Josh and Callum goes on a journey to train in the Date Dungeon to defeat the lords of Dreamworld, and the reward at the end would be the ability to mount the fungus cake.
I can confirm that indeed I came back to this video thinking "have I watched this one already?". And then realized "oh yeah, it's the one with the dungeon date thing"... 10/10 will repeat this cycle next year
Gee whiz, I can't wait for JoshStrifeHayes to learn that Luna Online was just as bad back in the day when it was run by gPotato. Yes it still had the "Date Dungeon" It also has a "Family" system The size pills are new, more a novelty thing than anything else "hurr durr look at me I'm giant look at me I'm smol" The cash shop LOADED for you?? Holy crap it wouldn't even load for me when I downloaded the game a month ago. If you want to know more, just let me know. I'll see what I can pull out of my memory from when I was 16, and this game was massive.
I don't play the game, but I'd assume the pills are there to change the "height" of the characters, so some random sicko could roleplay as a little girl.
We have same age when i was playing it, But as for me i played it until i succesfully reached 3rd job change. I wasted so many hours and resources for a Job that picked wrong. So that was last time for me.
Damn, that date thing is indeed creepy as hell, wtf were they thinking?, I trust that review that says the community is full of creeps, with a system like that, for sure is.
this game is almost 20 years old, it's still creepy but back then it wasn't as acceptable to be an adult playing videogames, when I played it most of us would be 15 AT MOST, still, date dungeon always set me off lol
The bubbles actually reminded me of Spiral Knights, which has silly speech bubbles over enemy heads every April Fools' day. For instance, Constructs might say "Does not compute" or "I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle" or shout at you in binary, slimes can tell you "A slime draws near! Command?", and Gremlins will quote... What else? Gremlins. Fiends, hailing from a literal corporate hell and basically being one giant Office Space joke, may complain that they've got a bad case of the Mondays or that someone took their stapler. Good ol' Sp'Knights, it was a good one. And as much as Mist Energy was a pain and as much as the Forge utterly blows, at least it wasn't... *this.*
Luna Online teaches us that it is, in fact, wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon. Edit: Holy fuck, this is a top comment, go me. I'm totally not fighting the urge to self promote stuff on a great creator's content. I absolutely have more than enough respect for him to not ever be tempted by it. Seriously though, keep up the great work Josh!
I really like the Idea with the Speech-Bubbles a lot! But of course you need actual Humour-Skills to pull it off, so thats that. Hope the idea spreads and reaches the Smart and Funny Humans.
Slimes are honestly a great higher level enemy in my opinion. They can be tank and resistant to common attacks and generally yield few resources because honestly what are you gonna find in a slime. They're under-appreciated as good potential higher level enemies
Yes. This is a fetish game. I'm not sure if it was always the idea. The social aspect was the one thing that kept Luna afloat. It was one of those mmos people kept getting married in all the time. This video is a fever dream, though. I have no idea what was real and how much of it is the fan mod nonsense.
Josh Strife - That boat ride is very real, and it would do complete turns. In the 90s the only thing strapping you in was a Lap seatbelt and one of those chrome bars that you would pull down and squish your thighs with so you would hopefully not fall out. The ride was changed since I was a kid. It was a huge pirate ship. It does not flip anymore and was changed for 4 year olds to swing on
“If this game were a spice, it would be flour.” That’s an insult to flour, dude. Flour is what makes up the bulk of many delicious foods. It’s bland on its own, but it does its job well. This game is more like a packet of pepper from Burger King that’s been sitting in your glove compartment for 11 years.
@@Mouse_Librarian i mean, yikes. 9k hours is probably enough to learn how to make a living out of being an e sports pro at games like CSGO, in MOBAs. That is talking solely about video games, in real life you can do much more with that many hours. And yet people spend it on grind MMOs. it's like a drug addiction?
@@yuropean_eunion2133or maybe it’s just their personal past time, nothing wrong with that. For all we know he’s retired or already has a good paying job 🤷♂️
@@MagentaGiraffe or it's the corporations finding out the perfect way how to make the client use your product as much as possible. Grindy MMOs is the same thing as junk food in the end, some get fat, some can do it in moderation, some can get fit while eating it.
Why does almost every game in this category have a severe fabric shortage in their world...... Thank you again for playing the game so we don't have to.
Your right, 2 years later I forgot you played this game and it took me until the end to remember I watched it. See you in 2 years when I forget again Luna Oline
This was actually pretty fun to play when I was younger all those years back on gpotato. This along with Fylff were some of my first mmos. But nowadays I can see why this can be seen as what it is-
Having played this in my youth, it's definitely a product of it's time. Though, I'm surprised the "made by fans" rework seems to be worse off than the original game. BTW just a FYI, the worst thing about the original was it's abysmal drop rates for crucial weapons (IE: Lv.35~ 1h wand that's better than a 2h staff and allows for a mage to use a shield and can only be found by a certain mob, has a drop rate of roughly 1 in 5,000-10,000~) and it's absolute insane cost to build up to and create end game gear. That was exceptionally frustrating.
Oh darn I remember this game long ago. I thought it was pretty decent and I never even touched cash shop. Sure I got a pet that looks like a floating fetus, and said fetus died for some reason when I lost a PvP duel without it getting hit, and pet revival items are locked behind the cash shop so I proceed through my game with a dead fetus, but it still was pretty okay back then, so I thought to myself. There's also the dungeon dates in which the naive teenage me thought I had to talk to other players who should be IRL females just to play through a dungeon and get more EXP because the alternative is a 0.01% EXP per kill in the open world. 14:05 "You can't expect to aim at the anime crowd and accept low quality game design" Interesting. I also remember a time when there were a lot of people who hate anime MMOs just because anime and maybe they liked ugly looking 3D orcs instead. Now it gave me a different perspective why they hate anime MMOs.
10 seconds into the video, I see the chatbox, the font of the Quests, the kinda chibi art-style, the bow of that archer. Damn, this REALLY reminds me of Flyff, let's see how it goes hahahah 3:39 yep, still very much feels like Flyff 5:02 starting to get Flashbacks 5:19 Yiiiiikes 6:48 the similarities are starting to get kinda suspicious 7:09 ... 11:44 those icons and map design seem oddly familiar 15:49 starting to see a pattern here 21:55 literally all the quests in flyff. No "kill x enemies", but always "fetch y amount of item x from an enemy" the drop chance being like ~1% 23:15 Ah wait, nvm, there it is hhahahahahahah Only thing missing is ppl standing in front of ringmasters and ask "buff pls" and them responding "xy amount of penyas (money) or no buff" Thank you so much for suffering through this for us, Josh :D
There are in fact Pirate Ship rides that do the full loop. Our local fair has both the regular Pirate Ship, and the one that loops. They have the shoulder restraints and seatbelts, but really gravity holds you in place. We also have a wooden roller coaster that only has the lap bar to keep you in, and the first hill drops so fast it immediately presses you up against the bar and makes you feel like if you're skinny enough you'll fly right out of the car (but you never do).
Great review as always. Used to play this back in my early teens and remember it being really fun for the short time I was on it. It was a very social game and joining a clan made the experience great. You could also abuse the stats in this game unlike any other MMO I have come across, equipping a fairly early game shield to gain over 100% dodge chance and becoming immortal for the most part. I remember that when a certain amount of enemies attacking you they would all start hitting you despite the dodge chance. Wouldn't play it now though but fond memories nonetheless. Another MMO from that period I remember spending a ludicrous amount of time on was Megaten or Shin Megami Tensei online, no idea if you can still play that one though.
When I started watching, your patreon list was only 3 columns. And it wasn't very long ago. I'm so happy for your success. It finally is going to someone who deserves it. Your videos are fantastic!!
Dating mechanics is very common in eastern mmos. I remember playing a Chinese one where after a certain point in the game, you'd be at a disadvantage if you weren't married.
Is it just me, or are the vast majority of MMO's just being lazy, and purchasing models and content rather than designing their own? I swear, I've seen these same character models, the same trees, the same building models, and even the same menus, in so many of these MMO's.
You see how mobiles game are absolutly terrible, unoriginal , lazy cartoonish styled, pay 2 win to the extreme and somehow an absolute financial success in asia? That was asian MMO 10 years ago.
@@ballom29 I never played an asian MMO. Then again, I stopped playing MMO's when WOW came out. I enjoyed the hell out of Ultima Online, but when I tried WOW, no one even talked to each other. It was like a single player game that just happened to have other players that you had to team up with during "missions". Instead of being this amazing social sandbox with monsters and adventure that I enjoyed, it was this.. kind of linear, talk to person, do mission, talk to person, do new mission.. etc... type of game that really bores me. No one actually talked to each other. All the MMO's went in that direction so I stopped playing. I enjoy text based MUD's more than modern MMO's now.
It‘s just how asian mmo‘s work^^ It doesn‘t matter anyway because over in the east as long as there is a cash shop in the game the people are happy lelelelel
@@TheMCmace Nowadays, it seems that 99% of MMO's and video games are stores first, game as an afterthought. As someone who's loved video games since experiencing pong arcade machines, the current state of video games just angers me.
I would recommend Elsword as a unique MMORPG for this series. I played it for an embarrassing amount of time because there was no game like it to flee to, and it just became worse and worse. The P2W aspects are unbelievable, and you wouldn't believe what kinds of near-mandatory items that are required to make a character remotely viable in PvP. Love your videos - I discovered you recently and have been binging the series. :>
i would pay big money for a anime/manga were Josh is isakai'd into a anime world and was just angry at everthing for 12 or so episodes. I was sent to anime world and i Hate anime.
i also like that even just in the very same review that Josh highlights, it talks about the Majin "EdgeLord" race, being something that was supposed to be a level 50 unlock, but can be accessed at lvl 1 in creation. lol
20:10 "if you're reading this, run away from this game" says the guy with 1,656.6 hours at the time of writing this and almost 300 extra hours added after the review... I guess he really like bugs and creeps...
I actually played and liked this back when I was a high schooler. Hadn't played too much before that and it was cute... I liked feeling useful with giving out long buffs and power-leveling randoms with the date dungeon.
"My personality used to be different. It changed as I grew older."
I feel you, random anime turtle, I feel you.
Sadge
Turtle mood
Hahahahaha I thought the same xD
He gets it..
@@sanctumsomega From unique rawr xd *glomps you* to John MacDonald, Loves Cars #Trump2024 and Joe Rogan fan
That “dating dungeon” thing was weird and at first I was like “well okay, bit odd but alright”. Then he drops down the age menu and my jaw actually dropped… Even their location is put in there, what does this have to do with gameplay besides being entirely creepy in every sense and actively looking for something predatory?
bro tf is your youtube profile
that paired with the overall bad quality of the game makes me think its just a hub made for pedophiles to find victims but disguised as a game
honestly dating system was great, once you started chating with someone you can choose the level of the onsters in the dungeon and how much exp will every person get (from 0% to 100% ) I had high levels friends who would use one of their daily dates to "date me" just to help me level up. I hide at some corner while they do all the killing lol and they gave me 100% exp!
@@renabp1138 Yeah but that isn't a function of the dating system. The dating system is incredibly creepy. What you described could have been achieved through a regular party system tied to a mentorship mechanic.
@@Sturmensky honestly i think dd (dating system) was a fantastic feature. Also, i don’t know what u mean by: “that isn’t a feature of the datong system” literally i was just describing to you how it was “dating” on Luna XD. Also it is lot different from regular party bc u and ur date were teletransported to a private “dungeon” (small one) so there was no other players interfering in yout leveling uvu it was Nice, periodt!
"Not everyone can be kings"
Don't listen to him, you're all kings to me.
hey king, (shows the crown) you dropped this
Alright calm down Huey Long
Where your throne is your computer chair, Your crown is your headphones and your sceptre is your mouse lol
Neekolul is that you again?
To be fair, king cobras exist.
The weird size change thing and randomly calling a character a "pervert" didn't really get to me. What got to me was the fact that you can search for players by their age. The fact that the ages of players for a "child-friendly game" is exposed for all to see is really creepy and suspicious. Definately sounds like some kind of preditory shit is going on here.
Indeed. And it's worse when you realize other games like Luna Online have functions like that as well.
Excuse me, I need to go take a mental shower and scrub my brain until it bleeds after your comment sunk in. No debating it, and I hope this game no longer exists as of writing this.
The size changing pills look like they harken back to Alice in Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass, which combined with the dating dungeon, the sexualized NPCs, etc looks really suspicious.
I honestly don't think it's supposed to be predatory, although it could be used as such. It was probably for people looking for someone with the same interests, around the same age and in the same state. So that people can easily make real life friendships and relationships out of it. Idk if it's just a difference of culture, but in America it's definitely a weird thing to have.
Tbh I doubt even half of those ages are real. Not that hard to just put a random year on the account creation
Having a "Date Dungeon" is a bad idea by itself.
Adding a "1-10" bracket makes it downright disturbing.
The cancel culture chance of users is 99.89% with how little moderation
Right? When I was a kid under 10 I was still hit on by adults in fucking Virtual Magic Kingdom. There are so many horror stories out there of kids being groomed in online games like this. Why would you want to encourage that in your game?
@@bean6803 2 words. loli. lovers. for some reason the anime fanbase love catgering to the loli weirdos
@@Rocker-1234 no point calling them something different, they're pedophiles full stop
@@vaan_ big facts. its why they love belle delphine so much cause shes like a real life loli they dont have to worry about having the fbi show up for watching.
The fact the Date Dungeon has an age option of "does not matter" really says a lot about this game. A lot.
😭😭😭😭
the 1-10 age range is already disturbing lmaoo
Realistically the "age does not matter" choice is the only sane one, cause if you're just playing a game you genuinely don't care about other players' age. The only people who'd care enough to choose an age bracket are those who want to find a specific age with most likely bad intentions ;;
Sounds like that's just inside your head, chump
Date dungeon moniker aside, I wouldn't mind a system that helped me meet more gamers who are out of school/college. Once you make the transition from schooling to working, scheduling changes a ton, and finding people 24+ish would make it so much easier to build lasting friendships online. I also imagine once I hit mid 30s in like, a decade, my ham ng habits will have changed a lot, and I will be looking for people in the same position. Allowing people to search for kids specifically is obviously fucked, but not age search in general.
I think the problems here are the name, and being too specific. Time zone for location would be awesome because as an east coaster, it sucks to get along with people, then have to hop off 3 hours early because they're on west. My worst time playing an mmo was when I was doing week 1 Savage clears in ff14, building a team only based on skill, then ending up with a squad where I ended up screwing over my sleep too accommodate late time zones. Once I started to include time zone reqs of east or central, I was having a much better time. Age too I think is fine when you take out age ranges less than 18 or something like that. Calling it friend finder or any party system just makes it less creepy without doing much at all.
The font are getting smaller and smaller. True to his word.
Honestly I don't even look at the dates on the videos anymore. I guess how long ago it was based off of the patron font size lmao
w small can the community make the font?
if i wasnt poor id make a bunch of alt patreon accounts to donate so his life is hell to make the font smaller xD be pretty funny see what he does.
The date dungeon went from "wtf why" to "FBI open up" real quick.
My god it has a built in child predation mechanic!
I bet if you enter as an underaged player. Creeps in your area get notified of your arrival
A mechanic with an age category of "1-10" no less...
over the fucking line
WAY over
@@qerupasy and 11-14, 15-19. It makes you think about the most... popular age span
I've heard that the Cutie movie, got 10/10 in the Dating Dungeon😨😀
I like how Josh puts his disgust for the concept of the date dungeon aside to make room for his disgust of the poor execution of said concept.
Secret 10,000 year old dragon queen: take a look at this pervert!
“Pervert”: actually just an average alchemist
Honestly the only thing stopping this game from being a prime child predation site is the fact that nobody plays it. Seriously, a system called "date dungeon" that lets you sort by CHILD? And it shows where you live, information you probably entered in and thought was private info but is just freely shown. Seriously, I know Discord has a child predator system, but at least the predators have to look for their victims, here it just lists them.
Lol every form of social media has child predators
@@RSBDeprecated I don't know that it's discord fault though I mean you cannot monitor millions of accounts it's just not possible create a system thay flags them and home the system dosent get outsmarted
the second I saw josh going through the search options on that feature I could see mamamax making a video on this game. if it actually had a community
@@odyx0 well, one of the people who moderate discord is into cubs.
@@Dadbeard89 I'm not sure "lol" is the appropriate way to start that sentence.
"Dungeon Date" its features like that in these kids of game that make me wish Josh would make female toons whenever he does these 'Anime' styled MMO's. Just to see how quickly his chat is flooded by the few creeps that DO play it.
“Female toons”
Cut the anime middleman out and just make him play ToonTown
Wait, are you implying people remember how to RP, or that people now assume that ingame gender equals real gender?
Or that everyone is the social constructionist type and doesn't care, but does assume age is real? I'm so confused.
@@VandroiyIII well first off, I see the mistype. it should say "kind" not "kid". Also, it is referencing the fact that there are a fair number of creeps that will hit on/flirt with any female toon they find, hoping to have hooked a 'gamer girl'.
The sad truth is if he made a female toon on those 'anime' styled games, he probably WOULD be flooded with whispers.
@@thomasallen3570 Interesting.
Why is that sad? Compared to the usual insults, politics, and trolling, Flirting doesnt't sound like a bad meta? Unless they're outright using spambots or something.
I mean, it would have to be pretty mental to undercut the gameplay, lol
Ewwww
Wow, that date dungeon is beyond creepy. Not so much the dating aspect, but the age search is surely breaking some privacy and child endangerment laws. That system needs to be gutted and removed and thrown into the seventh layer of hell.
The calling someone a pervert is a common 'cheap' laugh out of animes aimed at kids, preteens, or teenagers so not totally unexpected out of a game that pretends to aim at that demographic.
The 'date dungeon' is..... well it's fucking disgusting.
Honestly, anime is way too obsessed with pervert characters (I'm looking at you Naruto).
@@Nukestarmaster well anime are targeted to japanese audiences. As weird as it is, it is what it is.
@@nafrililystone yeah and Japanese culture is like that because the vast majority of the population consists of sad old single men.
@@shredgordon3240 lol true
@@nafrililystone okie I gotta debunk it right here. Perverted Weeb in Japan is also a very niche but big spender demographic. Most normal Japanese people rarely knew about anime out side few popular ones, some not at all
"That guy over. The one who looks like a pervert."
Says the woman with the top button of her pants undone.
You mean the picture of a stylized fantasy anime character that mimics the look of a woman ... with a speech bubble over it?
Besides that, I know what you mean and I find it as inappropriate as you do. But that is just the manifestation of the thoughts of some weirdo. But do we know if this isn't just laziness or bad translation? All of this is nothing against the built in child grooming functionality. Send these pedo-enablers(the game company) where they belong: To jail!
Also: One should keep a good distance between yourself and people who can't distinct between reality and fiction/games/books/art/pictures/ideas/films ...
@@dieSpinnt take your pills schizo
@@JarthenGreenmeadow Your 4 lazy words suggest that you don't agree with me. In ALL points.
So you support the children date dungeon?
@@dieSpinnt No1 is disagreeing with you on anything you said m8, try to calm it down in the comments.
@@conneremberton4018 Well, the criminal complaint is out.
The Demon Race used to be a sort of "Advanced Class" that you could only pick if you had reached a certain level and it's story and starting area was completely different at one point.
Oh so like dk and dh in wow before the level crunch made it so you can unlock them after an hour of play
Yeah, you'd need atleast 1 level 50 character before you could try out Majin. Then when you create one, you'll immediately be lvl 50, honestly it was a pretty cool character.
Kinda sad you know that
@@solidus_spence It wasn’t this bad back in the day. The original company that hosted it did a much better job. This is what happened after they closed the server and fans kickstarted this version. This is what happens when weebs are allowed any kind of power
@@gotmybootyout5793 As a Weeb I resent that comment.
Frankly the best thing about this game is the speech bubbles of the monsters, those messages are freaking hilarious, It's proof we really need a comedy focused/absurdist MMO that's well made XD
Does anyone else think that the name "Strife" for an edgelord character is just too perfect?
Square-Enix agrees. 🙃
Cloud moment
Too bad he didn’t use spiky hair
"They can't all of them be King Slime"
I mean... go tell that to the emperor penguins.
EDIT: I could swear that gnoll's soundclip was from something in Ragnarok Online.
I think King Slime was also used in Dragon Warrior/Dragon Quest too since there are slimes in that game. I had the Game Boy version and I think I ran into that mob at some point, a Slime with a crown.
I could swear the blue slimes were just differently colored Porings from Ragnarok Online
Fun fact: Suba's website is so old that you can still link your ICQ, AIM and MSN.
AIM was only discontinued at the end of 2017 (and has been resurrected, along with MSN messenger, as part of the Phoenix messenger suite). I'm not sure exactly how I would say this fact influences how people should interpret yours, but it's a thing I learned after thinking "isn't AIM actually still around?" to myself and learning I was (sort of) wrong.
@@benjaminmiddaugh2729 It might have been discontinued in 2017 but its still pretty old and not many people used it, plus I don't have any problem with them using it since I still use MSN through escargot lol
@@benjaminmiddaugh2729
Everyone but boomers only use anything else but Discord now anyway lol
@@PuellaMagiHomuraAkemi I use carrier pigeons and I'm only 27! Wayyyy more efficient. Much less packet loss.
@@tianamaycry
Oof, I had a bit of a typo XD I meant to say that at this point only boomers aren't using discord
I noticed there seems to be 3 types of MMOs that keep creeping up in the series:
- Hardcore MMOs that don't want to railtoad the player, often by having experienced players take the job of teachers to their fresh bretheren, but without any population, thee is nobody to teach and the game feels empty and unguided.
- MMOs that used to be fairly good, but ended up becoming a shell of themselves, getting patched with way to many unbalanced mtx with most of the retaining playerbase staying because they don't want to lose the money and time they invested.
- MMOs that are genuinely bad from the start, but catch players with a gimmick, but unlike many "unique" MMOs, these ones failed with their gimmick.
First one with Uncharted Waters Online hurt a lot to see it fall so far as it twisted from 1 to 2.
@@runakovacs4759 yeah, the hardcore MMOs and previously good MMOs are painful, because there was a genuine attempt at making a fun and fair game.
Yeah and the gimmick that this MMO wants to catch players with is pedophilia lol
When you decided to quit, you should have just kept consuming the growth pills to see how massive you can become.
He had eaten all 5 at the start.
The maximum size seemed to be the size he was at.
Fun fact about Dungeon Dates: during the late game where the grinding starts to get worse, they are BY FAR the best way to level up
You play this game?
@@silverreaps6803 used to - I was bored without anything to play with at one point and played this because I had nothing better to do 😔
Eyyyy, used to play this back then too. My cousin created a girl character for me and told me I'd thank him later lmao. Lo and behold, I got to around 70-80 and it was a fucking nightmare to level up because mobs kill you in 5 hits (I was playing Rogue with barely any EVA). Then someone told me about DDs (short for Date Dungeons) and just bit the bullet tried it out. I then got 10 levels from just 1 hour of DDs and at that point I said, fuck this game lol.
Luckily, the people I've met weren't even creepy because they were also desperate to get out from the mob grinding lmao
@@hyperionnova2854 Riiight. Nothing better to do, lol.
@@JoNarDLoLz once I made an alt character on guild wars and I decided to play as a girl, just because. But instead of making a super hot babe I decided to make an intentional unattractive lioness mage with battle scars and a bad back.
I still got one guy playing the lion race trying to flirt with me...
"Date Matching"? Sounds like this game is some sort of Honey trap for minors...
@@slevinchannel7589 Ur mom
Yes that's exactly what i recognized, especially if you can search for your area, it's very obvious.
As someone who grew up playing the original Luna Online and Luna Plus, (it was my very first MMO) to hear the announcement that Suba Games would be bringing it back, was astounding not just to myself but to thousands of others.
Then to see it be tarnished and spit on, was heartbreaking. I seriously didn't think that my very first MMO would make a pitiful come back like this and I curse Suba Games for it. They just did it for a quick buck and all of us original fans realized that. This isn't what I or anyone else wanted.
Thia video caught my eye because I used to play Luna Online and Plus for awhile after it came out.
After watching even a small portion into this video about Reborn I had to quit watching. It does not in any way capture the greatness of the original Luna Online.
Ah man yeah the good old times when I was creeped on by weird dudes in the date dungeon all the time just because I was 8 years old
I can't help but notice that "lack of players" is a recurring theme in your worst mmo series
Turns out, people would rather not play bad games
@@Speederzzz the remaining players are victim of sunk cost abusive relationship
Well, all of the games he checks out were being handed from company to company, each one making them worse and worse so no wonder
It's like a curse lol
I loved this game when I was 14/15. Spent HOURS playing before I even realized it was a "date dungeon mmo" I had reached lv115 and the only way to grind past that was the date dungeons 😂🤣
Please do a worst mmo tier list with the games you have covered up to this point!
My god, I actually played this as a kid and it was actually a lot of fun when it was official. I honest to God don't remember the cash shop (though I'm sure it existed off-site/out of game). The MMO itself died when gPotato went under, and since then, the fans kinda went wild with the source codes. The version in this video is actually moderated by fans as stated, and this means skills, exp, level-locked classes/races, etc was unlocked or modified manually by the fan who made themselves admin. The npc dialogue wasn't ever that bad, from what I remember, but the monster dialogue was added in as an April fools event or something back in official days, but I guess the fans never um, removed that. From what I remember, I had a lot of fun with this MMO back when it was run officially.
if so.. then, the fan made is worst, more worst is there luna online new world that just start this year. i just taste the beta and never open again..
"There are lots of women" - one steam reviewer
That person has never seen an actual woman in their life.
Probably never seen an actual one in this game either if we're being honest...
Either that, or his humor is 5 dimensions ahead of us..
I saw one once, was pretty scary. Didn't leave the Cave for weeks.
They're playing a fan remaster of an anime MMORPG, I'd be surprised if they've ever met anyone before.
Not like us truly radical dudes who watch videos of a guy playing godawful MMOs...
Neither have you.
So I played this back in 2009/2010 when it launched and the rabbit hole goes a looot deeper...
For starters, this current iterarion of Luna online is like the 5th attempt to revive the game after its official servers closed in NA (it had an orinigal Korean version wich held strong for a while), suba games seems to only buy rights to dead games to try and profit from nostalgia, they developed 0% of the original game..
And before i go any further, let me declare my bias with this game, I met my first Online friends in this game and even went to some anime conventions with a few, so i have very fond memories of the original and spent good times in each iteration´s forums/guilds so suffice to say i see this with a midl- to high rose tint lol
I did not notice how sketchy the date dungeon seemed to outsiders until you mentioned it , but we´ll talk about that one in a bit, i no longer play this game but i had a lot of experience with it in my younger years
The game was oficially ported to america by Gpotato (where i met my friends) and it did its best to hold strong triying to localize what the original Korean Devs made, but alas , like any meh-decent 2010´s mmorpg it didnt last more than 2-ish years , but before it closed it spawned many "private" severs hosting altered rates , events and cosmetics wich really fixed some of the worse parts IMO , making it a decent fun game to play !
I moved a lot inbetween these as some managed to fund their server hostings and others failed, a lot of experimentation with the game source code happened among these people and some trully creative stuff has made adapting what the Korean Devs kept making, im not too sure when those closed but thats around the time it all started to fall apart, with no more content to add a lot more servers fell and some managed stable populations until a few years ago, I no longer know if they are active but the pages are still up
At this point id talk about suba games´s ploy to cashgrab , but you might think Im still awfully quiet about that date dungeon thing, lets talk about that one first:
Date Dungeons where a feature even when I first played Luna, and i dont have super clear memories of how it worked in there but the original idea never changed too much, you put some data In, add some likes and dislikes and look for matches, then you complete a small dungeon instance with a partner and win a good chunk of XP, In hindsight Id be suprised if something sketchy wasnt going on within some communities and yet;
It was most dedicated players´s understanding that you only used it for leveling and mayybe meeting friends at best, the gender was linked to your characters gender and you could originally only "Date" the opposite gender so guilds would organize to level in pairs and boost eachother up until the weekly "DD limit" of each character, "mules" where very popular for this reason too, you could also raise the dungeons level and earn eve more exp for beating tougher monsters, so yo could boost a low lvl character with a hight level friend in one or two dungeons, so these leveling functionalities where most likely why it stayed in the game up until now, it was one of the best leveling methods, especially for alt characters
The UI was never changed much even on the privater servers except for enabling any gender matches for easier leveling and just flat out removing the likes and dislikes, wich btw gave you a match % with anyone depending on the options picked, online dating functions where a bit more common back then i think, doesnt make them any less excusable now in hindsight however, you even had PUBLICLY displayed hearts between you and someone close to you with a high %match you could disable these and if i remember well the system was moderated often and they had people monitoring it in the official release so it didnt become too big of a festering ground for gpotato to manage
It was not monitored that strongly on the private servers but most people in them where already veterans from gpotato or friends of them since it was a bit complicated to install the private clients, so Im assuming the idea of them used as just weekly exp dungeons held within most sub-communities after gpotato closed , in fact if my memories dont fail me i think the community asked for the date dungeons to stay when suba online wanted to flat out remove them in their own release , since they wehere such a good source of exp, same thing happened on some previous clients too
Now to close out, the suba games situation, long story short, they promised the Luna online communities the world and took our money while we still believed them , they went as far as to close one of the most popular private servers after their advertisement campains WITHIN those same servers didnt give them enough money for their CRWODFUND campaign, so the Luna fandom even FUNDED their launch and steam greenlight , but when they had all they needed they just went silent and never followed up on promises and suggestions by the community, so the luna online you see in this video Is but the shadow of the shadow of what it once was on NA , i think some servers survive until today and there was a Luna Online 2 rebranded to some other name by the same Korean Devs, but its also pretty much forgotten for the NA community (that i know)
Its a sad story for me because the game felt like it could ve been great but many circumstances prevented it from growing properly and its community was spread out, some of us never lost hope but i think Suba killed most of it , sadly,
Oh and the game now has a bot feature wich never existed, so you can now program a bot for your character and letting it roam the wolrd , making it look like the game still has active players, wich is most likely what Josh found while playing, a lot of the good stuff invented by the private servers was never put in this version too, so its not even a good luna online version to play for nostalgia.
You were definitely right about the private servers one. Actually, the private servers of these bad MMOs were exponentially better because they understood the flaws and strengths of the game and developed systems that help make the game better to play. I used to hop on private servers around back then, but the one that stuck with me was Celestia Luna, it reduced the pay-to-win aspect of the game, though it still remained, it was more so minor advantages, while simple tools like fast travelling, stat potions, materials, and leveling were made available to everyone.
In regards with Date Dungeon, same thing I felt, I never really thought too much about the matching system, but all I know is that it was the best leveling method you could do in this game, especially when you reach around 60-90, it becomes painful to level up chars that barely has any gear when mobs hit like a truck.
Celestia Luna also used the pre-Plus version of Luna which was more polished and I've heard it was quite preferred by many people as Plus removed a lot of beloved skills for example. I played on Aeterna Luna for a pretty good amount of time which unfortunately was decently P2W (you could earn some premium currency with votes but there was stuff like stat-boosting costumes) but also did a good mix of Plus and vanilla like restoring many of the old skills.
Celestia is still going strong surprisingly enough from what I've found out. I sometimes feel like diving into Celestia for nostalgia reasons but I know I'd get easily bored, played too many more enticing games at this point and it lacks things I like doing in MMOs.
@@Rylatar what other mmo u playing rn ? i be playing celestia on and off,
kinda dead rn
@@marcelleyva3278 I'm not playing MMOs that much anymore, mostly sticking to Warframe currently since I can do stuff pretty much by myself, outside that sometimes bouncing in and off GW2. Used to play WoW a lot but not anymore since my guild broke up and then the entire lawsuit situation happened. Tried ESO and FF14 but neither really stuck with me.
I know I'm super late to the party, but this and another comment further above (which explains the Gpotato-to-Suba-Games situation from what I would say is a sloghtly more matter-of-fact perspective) need pinned.
What strikes me is how many hours some of the reviewers have played of this "game". The "Run away from this game" person has logged eighty days worth of game time, including almost twelve days worth after their review. Bots ahoy!
“If this game were a spice, it would be flour. If this game was a music genre, it would be empty room ambience.”
I forgot how funny these two lines where holy shit.
ngl the dialogue random enemies get is probably my favorite part of the game lol, it's so ridiculous and funny to imagine happening with story-important enemies
Back when this game first released for a western audience, I was absolutely hooked. The cute anime style definitely helped lure me in as a child, though it being "kid friendly" is the fattest lie I've ever seen. If my memory serves right, the patcher would change its background wallpaper randomly, and 2 of them were very sus and overly sexual for a supposed kid friendly game. I think they can be found online, they were official arts after all. One of them had the elf and human girl in provocative outfits with their breasts nearly spilling out of their dress, the other was them in their cutesy, kid-like chibi forms kissing on a bench...
Needless to say, I had to be really careful hiding this game from my parents lol.
On top of that, I remember how 80% of the community would engage in very deplorable behavior. I used to see a bunch of players hang out in the starter area wearing nothing but their underwear and start sexting beginners. Age wasn't a matter of concern, I was 11 at the time and a lot of grown men tried to bribe me into becoming their girlfriends in exchange for some cash shop items. Another guy I thought was decent at first, went the extra mile when he found out I played tales runner and said he'd buy me one of the premium characters if I gave him a skype call.
I dismissed it back then because it wasn't uncommon for mmorpgs to have weirdos. But now that I think about it, Luna Online made it easier for them.
I dont ever remember anyone saying it was ever kid friendly thats really my only problem with this whole thing. The box art literally has 2 elf girls with their tids falling out of their tops. Like I get waht everyone's saying in general but I don't get how it suddenly 20 years later became a kids game when it never was one. That's just a perception that frankly seems very shallow to me. It has a chibi art style, therefore its for kids? But it never was so that's wrong. I dunno makes no sense and then suddenly everything is a fetish for kids thing idk how this video got to this point but its creepier than the game to just randomly assume everything was made by pedos in order to attract children when NOTHING seems to say that at all about this outdated almost 20 year old random korean mmo. Maybe a bit of projection by the video creator.
The human chest is not sexual, so that doesn't count. But this game has SO MANY red flags
@@cenciende9401it’s not by itself, but with context you can see what the intent of the creator was and whether it’s sexual or not. Also, in many places breasts are unfortunately viewed as inherently or usually sexual so…yeah, paired with everything else, in this case I think it’s fair to point out that the busty/skimpy art might be at least *questionable* in the context it’s presented in.
luna online was basically the first MMO where "it's ok to KS others" was a thing and it helped further the death of what was MMO etiquette, which basically doesn't exist today
reminds me of several players who complained about "kill stealing"...AFTER REPEATEDLY DOING IT THEMSELVES.
ok, not exactly, they "aggroed" enemies six at a time, repeatedly, for a long time, then complained when i "stole" JUST ONE.
oh, and then there was one a player who bad-mouthed me in open chat for a long time after i killed her "monster friend"...a quest boss.
@@ericb3157 Lol those were the times~
@@ericb3157 I try my best not to steal kills
Though many actually good MMOs these days have kind of managed to get rid of kill stealing by awarding stuff based on contribution instead of kill or simply giving each player who had anything to do with the kill the same amount of loot and XP (AKA "Guild Wars 2 is communism!")
found another poring :3
"Hey gorgeous, wanna mount the fungus cake?" is what someone would say to you right before they give you a yeast infection
6:46
That turtly is even more insane...it actually says: "I'm a turtle as fast as Michael Phelps!" ...
"Rien" That lady knight, her name means literally "nothing" in french... it's kinda fitting.
I would love to see Animal Jam (both mobile and computer versions), Star Stable online and Fer.al in this series. I have spent so much time in them, and I *know* I've become blind to annoying details and the massive amount of faults that exist within them. Not to mention the field day that is AJ's cash and VIP system.
So fucking true lmao
Isn't Star Stable sub-to-play and a fairly expensive sub at that?
@@nebufabu It's free up to lvl 5. You're confined to the starting area and I believe the closest adjacent one/s and you'll be stuck with the starter horse. But yes, if you want to progress at all after that you'd have to pay. Whether it's expensive or not depends on perspective, SSO is ~$19 for three months (that's ~$6,3 per month) and World of Warcraft is ~$15 for one month (like many other popular MMOs). Then there's also the lifetime option for SSO at ~$107 and the cheaper bulk price for some MMOs, which can't be properly compared.
@@nebufabu Yea it is there are 3 tyes. Also amount is in USD for me as I live in the US. There is a 1 month (8.49) 3 month (20.99) and lifetime. (They have a sale rn so idk the og lifetime price rn its 63.75). This is on top of the fact that they relise horses often which cost quite a bit and you only get 100 SC a week on fryday. Srry this was long lol
@@frozedlight2229 Didn't know they actually had a single month one, I couldn't find it
Used to play this game with the ex 12 years ago when it was run by gPotato. We had fun with it, but we were also young, couldn't afford a better MMO, and living in different countries.
Edit: came back to say that apparently another version of this game, titled "Celestia Luna Online", exists and celebrated its 10th anniversary last year, despite the gPotato version opening in NA in 2009 and closing in 2012.
"Being anime-inspired or child-friendly doesn't mean you _have_ to be crap" - it just means you _can_
I remember playing the original Luna Online back when I was around 12-14. Looking back I have fond memories of the friends I made, but I shudder at the hindsight of realizing how weird and creepy some of the stuff in that game was.
So, no one's gonna talk about the turtle asking "Who will I spit on today?"
"Who will I spit on today?"-A Turtle
I wish you'll make a "almost unknown game that is actually pretty good" content too 🤔
for those looking for a good new game and help the proper newbie developers 😆
plus atleast you'll get a break from all the crap ones 😅
check out his otherland series, its exactly this. was a fun watch
@@velybear wasnt the actual gameplay part of that garbage tho?
I'm really pressed about that game because it seems like it could actually be good. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, it hasn't been developed in since 2019. The Steam forum for it is pretty active though.
The only way a good MMO would be small nowadays is if it's old. with 10 remaining whales funding 1 remaining dev and a server. He actually rewiewed a couple ones like that, and it's usually a sad sight...
He did its otherlands
The pirate ship doing a 360 is a legit thing. I was in one at a university October-Fest like 15 years ago. No straps. Just a bar. My date lost her phone. It was the kind of fun you’re glad to survive and never do again.
That sounds like a severe malfunction and the passengers are lucky to be alive..
Gotta love centrifugal force
🤔@@mimisezlol
Oooookay, the minute the Date Dungeon thing came in that took a sharp turn from "This is just bad" to "...this is...wrong on so many levels
"Being anime-inspired doesn't mean you have to be crap."
Josh Strife Hayes's most controversial opinion yet.
Most anime games are hot garbage and that's a fact
Most SAO games in a nutshell
@@silverreaps6803 some are just fucking annoying
@@hilvystewy7298 still blows my mind that the best sao game is the one sao game that has the most different setting and gameplay which is also based on what is imo the second worst arc in the show.
@@silverreaps6803 i know ur comment is old but it's so sad to see too. So many anime have great stories or a great world that could work very well in games but most of em get butchered
"i forgot what the game was called, as i was playing it, out of ten."
The built-in child predation mechanic definitely makes this the worst mmo. I never thought an mmo could be so bad someone should go to prison.
I'm going to write a fanfic where Josh and Callum goes on a journey to train in the Date Dungeon to defeat the lords of Dreamworld, and the reward at the end would be the ability to mount the fungus cake.
his humanity... left him.
Do it you won't.
Do they kiss at the end?
The fungus cake is a lie
I'd read it
“I wish I was as fast as Micheal Phelps.” From a turtle might be the best dialogue I have ever heard
"If this game was a spice, it would be flour."
Oh, please leave that as your review on Google Play.
I can confirm that indeed I came back to this video thinking "have I watched this one already?". And then realized "oh yeah, it's the one with the dungeon date thing"... 10/10 will repeat this cycle next year
10:20 that pervert joke is something that totally would be in an eastern MMO, I guarantee you it's not the work of the translator.
Its straight out of anime too.
"If this game was a spice, it would be flour", is the best line ever
Gee whiz, I can't wait for JoshStrifeHayes to learn that Luna Online was just as bad back in the day when it was run by gPotato.
Yes it still had the "Date Dungeon"
It also has a "Family" system
The size pills are new, more a novelty thing than anything else "hurr durr look at me I'm giant look at me I'm smol"
The cash shop LOADED for you?? Holy crap it wouldn't even load for me when I downloaded the game a month ago.
If you want to know more, just let me know. I'll see what I can pull out of my memory from when I was 16, and this game was massive.
Oh LOLOL I remember this game now it’s been so long!
I don't play the game, but I'd assume the pills are there to change the "height" of the characters, so some random sicko could roleplay as a little girl.
We have same age when i was playing it,
But as for me i played it until i succesfully reached 3rd job change.
I wasted so many hours and resources for a Job that picked wrong.
So that was last time for me.
i can already see it:
"this is chris hansen with Dateline NBC.
Do you remember your friend "IMAREALCHILD" in Luna Onine Reborn?"
Damn, that date thing is indeed creepy as hell, wtf were they thinking?, I trust that review that says the community is full of creeps, with a system like that, for sure is.
this game is almost 20 years old, it's still creepy but back then it wasn't as acceptable to be an adult playing videogames, when I played it most of us would be 15 AT MOST, still, date dungeon always set me off lol
The bubbles actually reminded me of Spiral Knights, which has silly speech bubbles over enemy heads every April Fools' day. For instance, Constructs might say "Does not compute" or "I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle" or shout at you in binary, slimes can tell you "A slime draws near! Command?", and Gremlins will quote... What else? Gremlins. Fiends, hailing from a literal corporate hell and basically being one giant Office Space joke, may complain that they've got a bad case of the Mondays or that someone took their stapler.
Good ol' Sp'Knights, it was a good one. And as much as Mist Energy was a pain and as much as the Forge utterly blows, at least it wasn't... *this.*
Luna Online teaches us that it is, in fact, wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon.
Edit: Holy fuck, this is a top comment, go me. I'm totally not fighting the urge to self promote stuff on a great creator's content. I absolutely have more than enough respect for him to not ever be tempted by it.
Seriously though, keep up the great work Josh!
I really like the Idea with the Speech-Bubbles a lot!
But of course you need actual Humour-Skills to pull it off,
so thats that.
Hope the idea spreads and reaches the Smart and Funny Humans.
Unless you're Bell Cranel.
@@mahiru20ten in which case, it's still very much in question
@@kariissmol9172 awe, i appreciate that; tyty
HA! I knew there was gonna be at least ONE Danmachi reference in the comments and I wasn't disappointed.
Give Angels Online a try Josh! That game been going "strong" for 15 years.
I gave that game a try till like level 20. Art looked cutesy. Am I missing anything?
@@TheRobotDevilInside Not at all. I believe it was one of the first MMOs to introduce pay2win though.
“This game exists to satisfy someone’s kink”
Well....it IS an anime game...
That takes on a much darker tone when it gets to the date dungeon part..
Yeah, that went from "a bit odd" to "full on creepy" very quickly
I love how you went all-in with the Edgelord character. Even the name fits well :)
gotta go meet Josh in a date dungeon
Slimes are honestly a great higher level enemy in my opinion. They can be tank and resistant to common attacks and generally yield few resources because honestly what are you gonna find in a slime. They're under-appreciated as good potential higher level enemies
"Mount the fungus cake" out of 10.
Yes. This is a fetish game.
I'm not sure if it was always the idea. The social aspect was the one thing that kept Luna afloat. It was one of those mmos people kept getting married in all the time.
This video is a fever dream, though. I have no idea what was real and how much of it is the fan mod nonsense.
This game is literally so forgettable that my girlfriend fell asleep while watching the premiere of this video.
Your body-pillow fell asleep? I'm afraid of this game now 😐
i'll wake hger uip
@@axmoylotl hger uip
@@axmoylotl gamers hger uip
@@katiekaliber premiere hger uip
Josh Strife - That boat ride is very real, and it would do complete turns. In the 90s the only thing strapping you in was a Lap seatbelt and one of those chrome bars that you would pull down and squish your thighs with so you would hopefully not fall out.
The ride was changed since I was a kid. It was a huge pirate ship. It does not flip anymore and was changed for 4 year olds to swing on
I needed this. I woke up feeling like shit and it's such a relief to be able to just hear you talk about some dumb f*cking game.
yes! it definitely makes you feel like a god compared to this game
“If this game were a spice, it would be flour.”
That’s an insult to flour, dude. Flour is what makes up the bulk of many delicious foods. It’s bland on its own, but it does its job well. This game is more like a packet of pepper from Burger King that’s been sitting in your glove compartment for 11 years.
19:33 Did that person actually watch bots do their thing for 1937 HOURS?
I've spent more than 9000 hours playing Runescape watching repetitive actions be repeated ad nauseum. MMOs are just like this.
@@Mouse_Librarian i mean, yikes. 9k hours is probably enough to learn how to make a living out of being an e sports pro at games like CSGO, in MOBAs. That is talking solely about video games, in real life you can do much more with that many hours. And yet people spend it on grind MMOs. it's like a drug addiction?
@@yuropean_eunion2133or maybe it’s just their personal past time, nothing wrong with that. For all we know he’s retired or already has a good paying job 🤷♂️
@@MagentaGiraffe or it's the corporations finding out the perfect way how to make the client use your product as much as possible. Grindy MMOs is the same thing as junk food in the end, some get fat, some can do it in moderation, some can get fit while eating it.
@@yuropean_eunion2133 it’s not that deep dude 😂
Why does almost every game in this category have a severe fabric shortage in their world......
Thank you again for playing the game so we don't have to.
For some reason the idea of whoever made the localization just taking the piss is extremely hilarious to me.
Your right, 2 years later I forgot you played this game and it took me until the end to remember I watched it. See you in 2 years when I forget again Luna Oline
what pervert caught you off guard? have you ever watched anime ? even child friendly anime chances are eventually somone's gonna get called a pervert.
I thought the same.thing tbh
"Mount the fungus cake", possibly the best line from any MMO.
This was actually pretty fun to play when I was younger all those years back on gpotato. This along with Fylff were some of my first mmos. But nowadays I can see why this can be seen as what it is-
Yeah same here
Same, and I love Flyff so much back then
Someday, you'll find a hidden gem and we will all be confused.
Haha YEP
Having played this in my youth, it's definitely a product of it's time. Though, I'm surprised the "made by fans" rework seems to be worse off than the original game.
BTW just a FYI, the worst thing about the original was it's abysmal drop rates for crucial weapons (IE: Lv.35~ 1h wand that's better than a 2h staff and allows for a mage to use a shield and can only be found by a certain mob, has a drop rate of roughly 1 in 5,000-10,000~) and it's absolute insane cost to build up to and create end game gear. That was exceptionally frustrating.
The "made by fans" slogan were definitely scummy devs scamming on old nostalgia players. The private servers on this game were better.
Oh darn I remember this game long ago. I thought it was pretty decent and I never even touched cash shop.
Sure I got a pet that looks like a floating fetus, and said fetus died for some reason when I lost a PvP duel without it getting hit, and pet revival items are locked behind the cash shop so I proceed through my game with a dead fetus, but it still was pretty okay back then, so I thought to myself. There's also the dungeon dates in which the naive teenage me thought I had to talk to other players who should be IRL females just to play through a dungeon and get more EXP because the alternative is a 0.01% EXP per kill in the open world.
14:05 "You can't expect to aim at the anime crowd and accept low quality game design"
Interesting. I also remember a time when there were a lot of people who hate anime MMOs just because anime and maybe they liked ugly looking 3D orcs instead. Now it gave me a different perspective why they hate anime MMOs.
The bear quotes are literally unBEARable.
I will see myself out
this one is still funny a year later
10 seconds into the video, I see the chatbox, the font of the Quests, the kinda chibi art-style, the bow of that archer.
Damn, this REALLY reminds me of Flyff, let's see how it goes hahahah
3:39 yep, still very much feels like Flyff
5:02 starting to get Flashbacks
5:19 Yiiiiikes
6:48 the similarities are starting to get kinda suspicious
7:09 ...
11:44 those icons and map design seem oddly familiar
15:49 starting to see a pattern here
21:55 literally all the quests in flyff. No "kill x enemies", but always "fetch y amount of item x from an enemy" the drop chance being like ~1%
23:15 Ah wait, nvm, there it is hhahahahahahah
Only thing missing is ppl standing in front of ringmasters and ask "buff pls" and them responding "xy amount of penyas (money) or no buff"
Thank you so much for suffering through this for us, Josh :D
I like when Josh tries to find logic in the names and speech translation. "They can't all be King Slime" lol
There are in fact Pirate Ship rides that do the full loop. Our local fair has both the regular Pirate Ship, and the one that loops. They have the shoulder restraints and seatbelts, but really gravity holds you in place.
We also have a wooden roller coaster that only has the lap bar to keep you in, and the first hill drops so fast it immediately presses you up against the bar and makes you feel like if you're skinny enough you'll fly right out of the car (but you never do).
Great review as always. Used to play this back in my early teens and remember it being really fun for the short time I was on it. It was a very social game and joining a clan made the experience great. You could also abuse the stats in this game unlike any other MMO I have come across, equipping a fairly early game shield to gain over 100% dodge chance and becoming immortal for the most part. I remember that when a certain amount of enemies attacking you they would all start hitting you despite the dodge chance. Wouldn't play it now though but fond memories nonetheless.
Another MMO from that period I remember spending a ludicrous amount of time on was Megaten or Shin Megami Tensei online, no idea if you can still play that one though.
When I started watching, your patreon list was only 3 columns. And it wasn't very long ago. I'm so happy for your success. It finally is going to someone who deserves it. Your videos are fantastic!!
Dating mechanics is very common in eastern mmos. I remember playing a Chinese one where after a certain point in the game, you'd be at a disadvantage if you weren't married.
Sounds like real life. The people who get it together and keep it together have a big advantage and always will.
That doesnt hold true for all animals in nature, many literally drop dead after or during caring for offspring
I've glanced over to my second monitor when I heard "date dungeon" and misread "matching list" for "mating list" ......
Is it just me, or are the vast majority of MMO's just being lazy, and purchasing models and content rather than designing their own? I swear, I've seen these same character models, the same trees, the same building models, and even the same menus, in so many of these MMO's.
You see how mobiles game are absolutly terrible, unoriginal , lazy cartoonish styled, pay 2 win to the extreme and somehow an absolute financial success in asia?
That was asian MMO 10 years ago.
@@ballom29 I never played an asian MMO. Then again, I stopped playing MMO's when WOW came out. I enjoyed the hell out of Ultima Online, but when I tried WOW, no one even talked to each other. It was like a single player game that just happened to have other players that you had to team up with during "missions". Instead of being this amazing social sandbox with monsters and adventure that I enjoyed, it was this.. kind of linear, talk to person, do mission, talk to person, do new mission.. etc... type of game that really bores me. No one actually talked to each other. All the MMO's went in that direction so I stopped playing. I enjoy text based MUD's more than modern MMO's now.
It‘s just how asian mmo‘s work^^
It doesn‘t matter anyway because over in the east as long as there is a cash shop in the game the people are happy lelelelel
@@TheMCmace Nowadays, it seems that 99% of MMO's and video games are stores first, game as an afterthought. As someone who's loved video games since experiencing pong arcade machines, the current state of video games just angers me.
I would recommend Elsword as a unique MMORPG for this series. I played it for an embarrassing amount of time because there was no game like it to flee to, and it just became worse and worse. The P2W aspects are unbelievable, and you wouldn't believe what kinds of near-mandatory items that are required to make a character remotely viable in PvP.
Love your videos - I discovered you recently and have been binging the series. :>
Too be fair, this game was pretty par for the course when it comes to Korean f2p MMOs of the mid-2000s
Me @ 15:45
Gonna have to borrow your words:
"Officers... that's the game right there." *points at game*
i would pay big money for a anime/manga were Josh is isakai'd into a anime world and was just angry at everthing for 12 or so episodes. I was sent to anime world and i Hate anime.
That sounds cool
I don't think Josh hates anime. Just when the anime aesthetic is used in shitty games.
I would pay to see anything properly done like that ! Don't have to be Josh, just the plot you described.
Sounds like a light novel title
i also like that even just in the very same review that Josh highlights, it talks about the Majin "EdgeLord" race, being something that was supposed to be a level 50 unlock, but can be accessed at lvl 1 in creation. lol
20:10 "if you're reading this, run away from this game" says the guy with 1,656.6 hours at the time of writing this and almost 300 extra hours added after the review...
I guess he really like bugs and creeps...
Sunk cost, can't escape despite knowing its bad because of all the time already invested.
I actually played and liked this back when I was a high schooler. Hadn't played too much before that and it was cute... I liked feeling useful with giving out long buffs and power-leveling randoms with the date dungeon.