Why Shooting Camels is Vital for Australian Outback
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In this video, Antony and I discuss the crucial role of firearms in rangelands and pastoral management, as well as the impact of feral animals on the landscape and the threats they pose to biodiversity and sustainable agriculture. We highlight the need for accurate data collection and discuss ways to improve accuracy, particularly in relation to total grazing pressure. The video features clips of feral animals, including horses, camels, and wild dogs, being controlled to mitigate their impact. We also delve into the challenges of operating within the national code of practice without access to appropriate firearms. Don't miss this informative discussion on the importance of managing feral animals for the benefit of our land and agriculture!
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The best presented view of feral animal control and why it’s needed that Ive seen , no emotion or BS , well done
You've nailed the reasons for feral animal control/management. Having come from the land myself, there's nothing in your conversation that can be legitimately challenged or discredited. Glib attacks by the bleeding hearts doesn't have any relevance in the real world.
Eliminate.........not manage ! Shoot them anytime any place........dead !
amazing way th-cam.com/video/zAUAcILiOYE/w-d-xo.html
just because you type that doesn’t make it fact. And you’ve already shown bias in your statement so your objectivity is in question.
@Ray-ru3pc As an armchair expert, you demonstrate a dis- accosiation with reality. Until your "experience" transcends from cerebral to real life, you're a flyweight weighing in on a heavyweight fight .
“. . . . We’ve got a lot to learn, but it’s the only way we can ensure that Australia keeps its unique landscapes.” What a profound summation at the end of a great and highly informative conversation.
We ? You .
can't believe that farmers who hold a valid firearms license still need to jump through so many govt. hoops every time they need a new gun, and that's just a single bolt-action rifle !
Imagine the increase in efficiency (money, time, etc) a semi-auto rifle would bring to feral animal control ?
They voted to let their government confiscate and melt down all the citizens firearms. It's their own fault, so now they get to try to stop an armed robbery with a baseball bat. Good luck with that.
From what I know, there's a LOT about the Australian government that must be corrected
Must just be WA at the moment because in Victoria I can get a permit and buy a new gun in about 3 days
Compared to usa its very hard to get guns in auatrailia and guns are such a great thing when not in the hands of adolf hitlers minions 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 there is so many aspects from hunting to protecting more importsnt native species by keeping the invasive populations at bay as well as recreational activities. Self defense
You've done an excellent job educating people on real issues and why what you do is important. Controlling pests in Australia is so important these days and for how much the feds spout about conservation, they sure don't help much. Keep your head up and keep doing the right thing. Good on ya mate!
Very well done on how you portray land management on the pastoral lands.
I was the bloke who wrote the project which the Federal Govt. adopted as the base model for all land and sea management across 11 million square klm's of northern Australia back in 1999/2000. You are exactly on the right path to successful management, if you can't quantify it, you will never be able to succeed at controlling or managing anything.
I loved your attitude towards protecting the native wildlife, at all costs, for the future generations to learn about and enjoy. We live in a totally unique and fragile country and it needs dedicated people who love and respect this environment to maintain it into the future.
Well done.
Well...this was very interesting! So many places in the US need to learn this conservation idea when it comes to ferel horses. They drink water that ranchers work so hard to keep up on for their cattle. A major college will come to the area for 2 weeks, do a report and then nothing gets done after the reports are brought to the public. The majority of the public wants to see the horses because of the romance of the "Wild West!"
Then, when it's obvious the numbers have significantly increased again, another report has to be done. So, nothing ever gets done! Some reports take up to 10 years! Some states are saying "no" to public outcry. Culling ferel horses has to be done to protect the land or we'll have no land with flora and fauna left! This was a great report on conservation. I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to share your channel and especially this report to friends that need to hear it's not just the US that has issues with ferel animals!
Btw...we don't necessarily have a problem with the inbreeding of horses in all western states. People move out of cities or states such as California, buy a few acres of land because they want horses. They know absolutely about them, and when they realize the cost of having just a "petting zoo" for their kids or "yard ornaments," then they turn the horses loose in the forests where the ferel horses are. Most times, not bothering to pull the shoes before release. Many of the horses are bred well and could rival any quarter horse in a show ring!
Right now, hay in the western states is anywhere between $26 to $35 per 100# bale. A set of horse shoes is running about $150 a set. These factors have contributed to alot of horses being turned out.
Brilliant shooting. Very accurate, humane and professional.
No needing to be humane to pests
I'd say start make your own tannerite. It's easy enough
Not very humain
Rubbish, for real world feral animal control, this is about as good as it gets. You have zero idea what you are talking about.@@flyingoneranch
The control and placement of the shots is expert level. well done!
Good presentation and good work. In the US wild hogs are destroying and displacing native and game animals. They are hard to control but it must be done. Thanks for the video.
And they are moving north, now in Southern New Jersey
FYI - we hear that you have about 6-8 million wild hogs in the US.
In Aus, we have about 24 million.
@@johnx9318 you have your work cut out for you.
@@johnx9318that’s insane i can’t believe i’m just now hearing of this, unreal i never expected i’d hear australia of all places would have feral camels. i never though camels would really pose a threat like that but after this video i understand. sorry your gun laws are so restrict , to be honest, i’ve seen the feral hogs hunted in the US with a literal mini-gun, like the rotary insanely fast rpm death machine from hell itself. so sorry that your government is so blind to this issue, we’re sinking in the same boat over the pond, just slower and our captain has dementia
@@GucciPasta Camels are one thing, but have you seen the size of the feral Asian water buffalo? Fkn huge!
They run to 1000 kg - 2200lbs!
Not so many of them though, 'only' about half a million!
Where I go, we get to put pigs, dogs, cats, rabbits, hares and foxes to sleep - all on one property!
There may even be a few dingo's too. (They are very unwelcome on livestock farms!)
A week on the ground there is quite the safari!
What a great way you've handled this subject and shown how it should be done. Thank you for sharing and hope all the right people get to see this.
This reminds me a bit of our feral hog problem here in Texas. Interesting to see how this situation translates across the world
They have feral hogs in Australia.
@@rickjason215 I know I just mean comparing the helo hunting videos
Amazing video. Very educational and informative. Thank you for presenting this issue in a respectful and professional manner. I wish more people understood the issues with feral animals.
Excellent, good job, I have been a Farmer most of my life and had to do the same thing, well done Jack
Great documentary guys. Introduced pests are by far the biggest problem to the Australian environment. Far bigger than worrying about green house gases.
Different and additional. Not worse.
Followed closely by our politicians 😂
Great video and very educational on the feral animal problem. Absolutely misunderstood and a significant lack of knowledge in the general public in Australia.
You guys have enough to deal with without weekend-experts putting in their spokes. A ten-day study proves nothing. Get them out there for three months or so and see the difference. Jack, you and others like you a doing a great job of keeping people fed.
Thanks for your very detailed response to the feral animal problem Australia has had to endure. I love horses, camels, donkeys etc but i do understand that the middle of Australia is not the place for them. The cats well there’s no where they should be in Australia imo. Good luck with the job ahead of you, and also you’re so right about the feral problem isn’t the fault of our indigenous brothers and sisters. 👍🏻
Its ridiculous you can not have a semi auto
For real
No, no its not, and don't say i don't know what I'm on about i live in the same conditions as this guy
@@grinslayer1232 okay well you enjoy
@@grinslayer1232You are living on emotion if you can not see the use of a semi auto but can of a pump action. You have let the Karens get under your skin and let them do the thinking for you.
@@grinslayer1232. Because why, specifically?
The Australian govt is more worried about DEI than protecting the land and wildlife.
I just want to add Jack . Good job on talking about who farmers are the ones who are caring for the land . Whether it lease of free hold land ownership,it always the farmer cost of everything to care for Australia.
Spot on mate. I used to live in Australia and I agree with everything. You have to love the land ❤
Hi Jack and Ant, Great insight to the challenges of feral animals and the professional way you deal with it and manage it as part of your business. Good to hear the data driven approach. Great footage of the countryside.
I'm amazed that the camels seem to have no sense of self preservation when their mates were dropping around them. Didn't realise there were so many camels out there. Thanks for another enlightening video.
I just revisited this video you should promote this video when you do more culling it gives all the answers to the many questions and complaints and uninformed suggestions. It’s a great video presentation by yourself and Ant❤
WOW! how informative was that! I know about the ferral dog, cat and hog problem, but I never knew how massive the camel and horse invasion is. Big Steve, East Yorkshire, UK.
Cheers Steve, our mission is to inform 👍
Well Big Steve , I hadn’t realised that wild camels were such a big problem in East Yorkshire. I hope you don’t advocate a red coat and wild dogs to pursue your sport.
@jack_out_the_back how do you have a firearm in australia?
@@billweaver9982 Pest control is a solid reason to get a license...
Jack you are a very intelligent man , God must be with you always with you mate . City dwellers would not know were you are . Clark Mchie in Queens land ahs experienced knee jerk reaction policies because they need to do things that keep them in office . I pray I can come out and assist you in your endeavours to help your land holders utilise these camels as a eatable resource .
This video should be shown in every school before you can graduate. Well presented!!
That shooting from the heli was elite
Must have something to do with the tactical electrical tape fore grip
Well put together edition Jack and Ant - thank you
Thanks for sharing Jack. First time on this sort of topic and fully understand why you need to do what you MUST to do with pests (camel). The questions and answers were well suited to answer the questions I had in mind. Well done !
This is such a fantastic interview I’m privileged to have watched and touches on so many important points in regards to feral animal management and land management….thank you for putting this in TH-cam 👍
Its not about management....... its about eliminating !
Logic > Emotions
what a great job you are doing at PRENTI ,there is just not enough shooters around to do the job that you would like done
Was looking at moving back to WA but with their ridiculous proposed gun laws I don’t think I will now.
It a shame that the the market for camel meat and skins is not up there like cattle meat sheep meat etc etc.
Excellent shooting with very basic kit. In the USA there $10k worth of equipment invested.
Baloney.
I really hope this stretches out for city ppl to see how vital firearms are for feral control, lot's of our native animals are near extinct from the British and our government should do more like paying land owners for their service, alot of money for fuel,time,ammo that could send a farmer broke
Great video jack , very informative and explanation of why kills like this need to happen. Well done. Loving your channel, I’d love to work on a station one day
great vid mate very well covered the issues , just a shame the government wouldn't support an industry to use the byproduct meat for human and animal consumption , win/win situation 👍
A great conversation about feral animals on the station.
Great story. I had no idea of those numbers.. wow.
Keep up the good work protecting this great country.
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I'm from the states and I knew about the Cane road but I didn't even know you had Camel's. That's nuts.
In the driest areas of South Africa, carrying capacity goes down to about 1 LSU / 40 hectares. I would assume it’s similar where you are?
A lot of sense jack, neighbors also need to understand this point of view.
Ant, you’re having the time of your life. I’m jealous! I feel I’m not using the opportunity you have, working with Jack. Perhaps I could do a locum for you when you’re ready for a holiday? Please keep producing these videos. Jack is modernizing agriculture in Australia in a real, acceptable and approachable way.
We have a similar problem here in the US with feral hogs, they destroy lots of crops but most people don’t realize they are a problem.
We have an idiot problem globally though thats why families go hiking and a bear shows up and they dont gave a gun. Their government says no you cant have one for saftey
Quantifying herbivorous pests is easier than some others, plants don't migrate and get wary. Some fenced sites excluding the feral pests would provide some visual information, paired within stock only country so the effects of livestock can also be demonstrated.
How long will it take for a large culled animal to decompose in the outback?
Great video. Very informative and professional. Thank you. 😎🤙
Very educational thanks Jack and Ant.
Keep up the great work. I know its a tough decision but it has to happen to save the lands natural stuff.
Tough job 💪
What a great and informative video, very well narrated and some excellent examples of ethical kills. Thank you 👍🏻
Its not about ethics .......its about removing the feral animals...anyway possible ! eliminate.......not manage !
Very good explanation of the the us of the land . Its not easy doing what you what you have to do i can see it in your face stay safe . Bernie from NZ
I have seen a lot of programs on Pest control Rodents, Pigeons, Starlings etc and i must say you guys are doing a great job, however what everybody fails to mention about is how do you dispose off the Carcass of a Culled pest the Size of a Camel or Horse.
One of Australia drylands are notable for are flies. Decomposition is recycling, probably significant in the nutrient cycles in the quantity described.
As an ex farmer you eco my thoughts on all aspects of management that your practicing.
It would be lovely to see the national parks over here on the east be more practical with their management
Echo
Great vid with some great shots. I disagree with one statement, I believe all lands owners are responsible for feral animal control, including indigenous land holders. After all, it's in their interest too, to control introduced species. It's simlly not good enough to palm responsibility off to others and not executed your responsibility. If you fail in your responsibility you should be prosecuted, no exceptions! It's in everyone's interests!
Well done Jack. Informative and well presented. Personally I like all aspects of your Station life.
Do they use the met or just leave them lay
Wow I don't know what cartridge you're using or where the shot placement is but it seems like camels go down easy
Gents, my compliments on a well presented video. I am not a shooter, but I am a committed supporter of feral animal control, be these animals horses and camels in the outback, goats in the fragile high country, pigs down south, or all of these plus dogs, cats, foxes, rabbits, rats, and many other species introduced by man. ALL need to be controlled, and shooting by skilled shooters is by far the most humane solution available. I wish you success with your good work.
Shooting has very limited application, and relative humaneness can be subjective in it's comparisons. Much misinformation and assumptions are used to push agendas. Effective pest control often requires several techniques, none are really perfect.
Our program is an integrated system that has different techniques.
And unfortunately pop-n-rot is the cheapest solution. As the economic return on the meat is challenging to justify as the processes for enduring the hygiene of the meat is a logistics issue out here.
@@jack_out_the_back It is also a more humane solution providing the shooters are skilled at it. I would hate to see many of the amateurs (often self proffessed "experts"), or the American system with what seems like a machine gun spraying the area. Also virtually instant compared to things like the old fashioned gin traps which cause much suffering if not checked very frequently and not really viable in your instance. Even ferals don't deserve that treatment. Keep up the good work.
@@michaelcauser474Your assertions about the "amateurs" are based on ignorance and propaganda. If you knew any hog hunters, or others who pursue invasive quarry, you would know that they invest a lot of time and effort to become proficient, not to mention the monetary investment to use the proper equipment. These guys are doing a great job with the equipment they are limited to, but consistent humane dispatch of these large animals is just not possible with the firearms they are limited to. These clips are undoubtedly edited, as it is impossible to have one shot kills consistently from the a moving platform, even for top marksman and follow up shots are just short of impossible. So, before you denigrate the "rednecks" from the free world, take into account that you only hear the information that is deemed appropriate to subjects, and that only comes from speech that is permitted to occur.
If these men were free to use the proper equipment, they would undoubtedly be more effective and humane in their endeavors. If you don't believe me, ask them if they would orefer to have suitable rifles, night vision, and whatever else your centrist government is terrified to allow them to use. Other than the mobility a helicopter provides, they are using the equivalent of late 18th century equipment. My hat is off to them though- few would be able to do it as well as they are.
What happens to the dispatched animals? Are they left to decompose or are they harvested in some manor?
I'm guessing the remoteness of this land and the large areas covered by these culls would make recovery of dead animals impractical. There may also be an issues with feral animals carrying diseases that prevent them from being used as food of any type.
@DL M (Sarge) thanks, that was my question too
What type of weapons and calibers are appropriate for camel management? What is allowed/required by legislation?
Great video. But can you tell me if there's any post kill use of the ferals, outside of pigs and cattle. I know that Australia is the largest producer of goat meat because of new ideas. Is that being utilities else where?
Bloody brilliant content. 👏 ❤
Good video mate. I remember you from stint at Greenline
Great video!
I can understand more now why this is done. I'm not familiar with feral camels/horses but I am with what feral/stray cats do to the ecosystem so I can only imagine what camels take from livestock and native wildlife.
can't believe that farmers who hold a valid firearms license still need to jump through so many govt. hoops every time they need a single bolt-action rifle !
Anthony - we have a similar problem with Feral Australians here in the Uk, however, unfortunately we are not allowed to shoot them - any tips on how to control them 😂
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Hey grahamriley we have feral pommy back packers as well😁
@@ianbell735 you just shoot them though
Grahamriley nah mate no need shooting them they all try to drown themselves at Bondi beach😁
I find you need to control their food sources. By removing access to vegemite, lamingtons, and pavlova, I believe we've got a fighting chance of controlling the numbers.
That was really well done.
Is there any way to get into this iv been watching your channel for a while and I am interested in trying to help out
What is done with the horses, cammels, and donkeys that are shot?
Never knew camels where such a problem down under. Great work! Curious what you do with all the carcasses though.
The shooter is a great shot - what rifle and specific ammo is he using? Thanks - from what I see the camels are going down with 1 shot👍- 👍
Horses too. Great shot
So when do we start on crocks
Hay Jack great doco explains things in a very clear way. Is there any programs for the average shooters to get out and lend a hand? Or what is more important funding/ personnel / or just getting the knowledge of the problem publicised? As a novice hunter i for one would find the chance to lend a hand a great opportunity. As i am based in Tasmania opportunity is a little light on.
Doing something about the deer problem in Tasmania would be a start. Like stopping hunters etc protecting pests for thier own gratification.
@John Mead yep I agree I can't understand why farmers complain about the deer problem and then charge $800 just to get a spot on there ground and you have to know someone to get on. Surly having your own public liability insurance would be enough
@@ryandavey3374 Here in NZ hunters don't require insurance, or a hunting licence. They do require a firearms licence and permission to hunt from the owner/occupier. Many don't permit night hunting (hunters have difficulty identifying livestock & people, someone got fatally spotlighted in a roadside picnic area, and stock are regularly shot. Anyone claiming thermal etc is better shouldn't have a gun license, it's not).
So you can come here with a gun licence, get a free permit from the Conservation department, and hunt to your hearts delight, the only fees being for hut use etc. Note this isn't usually providing any animal control in many areas/species, you will probably shoot an insignificant amount and scare more. Like any other rec hunter, or oz pig hunters etc. But unless the site is scheduled for structured pest control that's of little consequence, & in the easier areas the population can be kept down to some extent..
@John Mead going for a hunt in NZ is a bucket list item for sure 👌
Hi Ryan,
Awareness is what we are aiming for here, to get the information out there.
So people in the cities begin to understand the challenges we face, and how decisions there impact us, and the work we do.
Look into Sporting Shooters Association of Australia. They have a farmer assist program. And there are conservation groups that do volunteer work with a high level of professionalism and enthusiasm.
Cheers!
It was a long video so I easily could have missed it, but what to do they do with the dead camel carcasses?
Are the canals used for meat, because there is a lot of food there.
I might have missed it, but I didn't see goats mentioned
Good video, I've done a lot of this in the NT and it's good to see it explained well.
Is there any way to make use of the camels on the property so they became an asset?
We have been advocating for a long time for it, but there's is no economic way to do so at this stage.
The native wildlife shall dine upon theor corpses its austrailia the rock might even have 8 legs bro its like wjere i live you see a hole yoh dont stick yojr fingers in that shit unless you want to die early
Can the camels, Horses be sold or given as meat?
dog food
great work Jack !!
Outstanding
It’s a shame we can’t harvest this meat for human consumption for eight export or domestic purposes
They do sometimes. They make camel sausage and dog food and probably a few other things. Itscall on this channel
The surely practiced this conversation
Another great video. Very well explained. Keep up the good work.
Excellent explanation of the situation. What are the protocols for the carcasses? 👍🏴
I'm sure the dingoes and wild dogs help clean up.
Now I see why you love that old rifle. You are so spot on with that banger.
What size rifles do you use? And scopes? or just an “iron sight”..?
How do they taste ? Can they be an eatble resource?
Gents - Completely agree with controlling ferals. Just wondering if you clear the camels, do they then become food for other ferals? Thanks and best of luck.
What does he do with the dead camels
I understand the removal of pests but there is another side to this argument as well why are you trying to farm cattle on such arid soil while camels don't require as much water per day and which animals are doing the most damage . Also which would you get more money for the end product . Have you thought of selling the camels back to Saudi Ariba or framing them for meat . I have eaten camel and it is a nice meat to eat .
Here in Texas, US we have thousands of wild hogs that tear up the land so we hunt them like you do, but from what I’ve seen from your videos camels aren’t very hard to hunt
How do you remove the carcass?? I would think the animals can't be left where they drop....
We have always had a dedicated Animal Funeral Service in Australia. They have also taken care of the animals that die naturally (both native and introduced) to keep the Australian Bush looking Disneyland nice for all the city tourists who breeze through the Outback. Mostly the Funeral Home staff are First Nations People who are paid by the Government for the service that they perform. At least I think that's what all the money they are handed is for. 🤔
@@theoztreecrasher2647 Hey thanks for the reply, I was thinking the risk of disease and smell. I knew a guy who worked as a road kill collector in the more urban rural/populated areas of Australia, the Disneyland locale. The First nations people can have that job, after years of travelling out bush I still can't handle that smell.
@@yossarianbombardier6823 🤔🙄 I am assuming from your answer that you are not a fortunate resident of the exalted land of Terror Australis? You should probably seek out a movie entitled "Welcome to Woop Woop" to get a better appreciation of the status quo re road kill collection. 😁
@@theoztreecrasher2647 I'll check it out.
Your claiming that the ferals eat food that should be feeding native species but the reality is that you cull them to keep cattle on the land. Surely the cattle are competing with the native wildlife in the same way that ferals do?
The fact that there is no system by which you can have access to more effective firearms, like higher capacity semi-automatic rifles, is hard for me to wrap my head around. The difference for aerially gunning could be dozens of animals. At the very least you would think these could be good military training opportunities.
so once you manage camels and horses you never harvest the meat it just rots there and become fertilizer im still trying
Can the meat be exported?
I’ve been on several what we call “ cull” hunts? It’s not what is normally a true hunt but eliminating of too many deer and or feral pigs. These are usually on very large Texas ranches that weren’t managed for whatever reason and generally a new land owner with state biologists involved. Depending on the acres, usually several thousands, a number is selected for how many deer should be taken. Note that all the deer are processed immediately by law. Food banks give this meat to those that need help with food. The feral pigs are not governed by law so every one that can be taken is very acceptable. The meat is usually processed too but not required. Literally, it is possible on some occasions to take hundreds of deer depending on ranch acreages. These are usually 3 to 4 day events with many shooters involved.
Nice vid and very professional 👏
Well spoken there Jack. Some nice shooting out of the chopper. Was that you in the chopper? Do you fellas get any feral goats through that country?
Yeah that's me in the chopper, much easier than the back of a ute! No goats out here, thankfully!
We have goats and deer and thar here in NZ..treated the same way.They don't belong here
What’s the point of aim you’re targeting on them?