One time at a sleepover, my friends and I did the Charlie Charlie game (which is basically a makeshift oujia board). My dad (a strong Catholic) caught us, ripped up the paper, and sprinkled salt all over the house for about 30 minutes while praying to the Archangel Michael. I also got in huge trouble.
I've done Charlie Charlie before, in a christian school with a christian friend nontheless, and only found out recently how taboo it was. Shame nothing happened, lol
Super fair coverage! I am a a Catholic and have heard these ideas as well, but (at least from my research ) you covered exorcisms very accurately from a factual point of view. Really appreciate your videos!
There are other demons which people ignore : the demon of fornication, the demon of pride, the demon of vainglory, the demon of non-belief, the demon of gluttony, the demon of lazyness, the demon of avidity etc. Today we mostly talk about demonic possessions that bring us strange behaviours, but we forget about the demons that are right next to us. There are as many demons as there are passions. Confession to a priest is the way to deal with these demons, and with prayer and fasting, they can be expelled.
@Hauss of Compassion I've seen both. Therapists hardly even help you with something, they can't have a clear answer to questions. These guys also often use outdated research made by Freud. Priests, on the other hand, give clear answers and orders, which are a lot more useful. Their advices stem from the Holy Scripture and from Church Fathers, and they usually have empirical evidence, as they were often tried by the priest himself. There are however, good therapists and bad priests, it depends on who you encounter. The other advantage of confession, is that you don't have to pay the same sums of money you pay a therapist. I don't pay anything when I confess to a priest.
@Hauss of Compassion I should have specified Orthodox priests. Empirical evidence here: personal experience + experience of their spiritual fathers, from whom they learnt. Like, for example, fasting reduces libido. Orthodox priests aren't supposed to teach others what they haven't already tried on their own. They are supposed to send them to a more experienced Father if needed. I'm not sure Catholics still have the Holy Spirit upon them.
More films about exorcism of late = more people thinking that people are possessed it is hardly rocket science, the exact same thing occurred with alien sightings following the release of Close Encounters Of The Third Kind.
@supoy100 I think the veil is opening wider and attracting more of these negative entities. More and more people are experiencing a higer number of negative emotion due to stress of modern living
What a strange development. When I was a kid my mom mostly took me to Baptist churches, and she believed in demons that were real. She thought that all the time there is a war between the angels and the fallen angels. She always seemed more extreme than just about anyone else I've ever known. She also believed some of the typical things, like Ouiji boards could cause a demon to possess you, heavy metal bands were trying to turn the kids toward Satan, etc.
"Remember that a few years ago you played albums backwards there was satanic messages. Let me tell you something, if you ever sat around playing your albums backwards… …you ARE Satan." - Bill Hicks
Great video. However, I would argue that those Catholics who are are concerned with the "gifts of the Holy Spirit" and such are better classified as charismatic rather than Pentecostal (which from my understanding is its own family of denominations, in the USA at least).
I am a Catholic and I would argue that, after Council Vatican II, Catholicism has ceased to exist. So I agree with you, but at the same time I believe we can be called whatever you like. Fancy dressed protestants maybe?
@@ODC88888 So, every big doctrine-reshaping council from the Great Schism to the 20th century kept the fundamental essence of Catholicism, but deciding to be less exclusionary with God's grace was going too far?
@@timothymclean I must have been in a bad mood when I wrote that comment, and thought no one was going to read it. Nevertheless, it's quite obvious I have no "sympathy" for Council Vatican II I would argue that all previous councils's purpose was defining and clarifying doctrine, and not as you wrote "reshaping doctrine": that is precisely what I Vatican II did and what I don't like about it. The Great Schism was more of a political thing than doctrinal. The Filioque was really a pretext, and most Orthodox could settle for a "Through" instead of and "And". However, I believe the Orthodox are right to stick to the first 7 Nothing notable really has been decided from Lateran I until Lateran 5 then there is Trent, of course, and before Basil, Ferrara and Florence (but the union did not last long and Constantinople fell: one of the greatest disasters in history) I think any Pope, bishop, etc. before Vatican I (first) could recognise an Orthodox Divine Liturgy, but would be at total loss with a modern Mass. In conclusion, I believe that Ecumenical Councils after the Great Schism, even before actually: after Nicaea II and Constantinople IV, except the one of Ferrara (who failed) and Trent (badly needed) were mostly superfluous and dealing with banal questions, but that Vatican I and especially Vatican II practically all but destroyed the "fundamental essence of Catholicism". This said, if I were a good, observant Catholic, which I am not, I should not be questioning Ecumenical Councils (were they really Ecumenical?) Ups! I did it again! :) Anathema! :) Thank you for your interesting question. All the best.
The Vatican may not keep a record of exorcism, but in the USA priests appointed as exorcists must keep case files. Just like baptismal records are super useful for genealogies and ancestry individual Catholic exorcists priest will have very accurate records.
Yes, check the number of exorcism requests in the year the movie came out the novel was popular. This is along shark bites after Jaws came out. With the rise of "nones" in the US it's hard to believe anyone thinks there is something to this and the belief in the devil should go down.
Some time ago ReligionForBreakfast did a video entirely on the "Disenchanted World" hypothesis he mentions in this video; he point out that, though more and more young people are leaving organized religions, a great number of them still consider themselves to be "spiritual," seeking paranormal nourishment in forms outside the traditional religious hierarchies. You don't have to be Christian to believe in demons, just really ignorant.
People can be despicable. They don't want to blame themselves. So, blame it on the devil. People have always preferred supernatural explanation (where they do not have to take the blame or work on the answer) than to take personal responsibility. Always easier to blame it on someone else.
@@peculiarlittleman5303 Did you know that after Christopher Hitchins acted as Devil's Advocate in the sainthood trial of Mother Teresa, the Vatican abolished the position? If you can't lick 'em, dismiss 'em.
Most of priests Ive met were good people. It must really sucks to devote your life to helping people spiritually, and end up having everyone suspect you of doing bad things to children, especially when other trades, like for example teachers, have the lead in that department.
@@whiteobama3032 I find it difficult to reconcile "spiritual" with "good person", when the person encourages others to believe in spirits. Well-meaning, yes; good, no.
@@JiveDadson sure, you could say that, but lets be honest - you know just as much about whats out there as any other schmuck. And if you think that anyone who have different beliefs than you is evil, then you probably know even less than that.
ReligionForBreakfast I don’t believe in God or the Devil, and if they were real, I’m not sure how I could conclude that the Devil is the ”bad” one. People say it's obvious; the Bible tells us God is Good and the devil is evil. I doubt if an evil God would claim he's the evil one in a book inspired by him/her/it
You make a very insightful point about a possible correlation between the decline in mental health services and the alleged rise in exorcisms. It stands to reason that if people can't get medical help for their troubling emotional issues, they would naturally seek help elsewhere, whether from a curandero or an exorcist.
Nice video as always. Just a note on your use of mental health terms. It’s hard to tell if you’re equating psychotic disorders like Schizophrenia with dissociative disorders like Dissociative Identity Disorder. They’re definitely not the same diagnosis and present with very different symptoms. People often think that individuals with Schizophrenia have multiple personalities like DID, but that’s not the case.
Lovin' your videos. It would be awesome if you did one on the birth of Catholicism. Not the basic stuff, but the origins for why it is a more mystical branch of Christianity, centering around ritual and evocation, and the inclusion of the divine feminine through the importance of Mary and mother worship .
But that's what the church is there for. They don't just dispatch an exorcist because you called in stressed out. The process is quite lengthy, they are very detailed and in-depth in the analysis.
@@baumholderh8425 You wish! Depends on the Parish and country. Not even close to that percentage, unfortunately. Especially non-Western countries. The majority are still highly uneducated in psychology and psychiatry and are superstitious with folklore Tradition and culture.
@@StellaMontenegro sorry, I should clarify I’m specifically speaking of the Catholic Church, I can’t speak for other groups. The whole point of the Catholic Church is having a pope to say the law, that’s why last week they sent a letter reminding every one of the one correct way to baptize. Likewise they have the exorcism standards defined very strictly. They specifically, reject 99% of cases
I think instant gratification is part of the problem. Mental or social problems take a very long time to treat and in this society of "I want it now!" the idea of Exorcism as a quick fix is appealing. Just like the televangelist shows, "I put my hand on your head, demon be gone, that'll be $1,000, next, "
Last year in Germany I went to the 16th annual conference between the Lutheran State Church and the Pentecostal Churches. The topic this time was exorcism. It was the best attended meeting in the last 16 years with Roman Catholic attendees from as far away as Vienna.
@@ReligionForBreakfast There is an increasing interest in- or need for exorcism here too. The Lutherans mostly take a more sceptical "atheist" stance, referring to the connection to pop culture, while the Pentecostals and Roman Catholics see it in the classical/biblical sense. Psychological problems and disorders are also on the rise.
This is purely speculative, but perhaps there may be a correlation in exorcisms and generalized anxiety disorder and major depressive disorder. From talking with people in my day to day, people generally have a broad understanding of these disorders, but more an archetype of intuition than anything really actual, the classic “sometimes you’re just sad” or “I have anxiety all the time and I’m fine” deal. So perhaps people are exhibiting generalized anxiety disorder feel this heightened sense of fear and attribute to the demonic activity. The same may be possible with major depressive disorder as children with it will often say it’s a devil telling them their negative ideations. Purely a theory, though.
As someone who understands and teaches well about human religions, I was wondering if you'd feel comfortable sharing your own leve of religiosity. Thanks for posting this!
That’s a really good question, and I don’t know the answer. Jason Josephson-Storm did say that house exorcisms are popular too, but I haven’t seen data.
The numbers maybe not be "exact", but no doubt of the increase demand. I'm pretty sure that the number of request for exorcism would be a mix of both, for the property (house, building) & the person. Often times these 2 are linked either the property is haunted first then that leads to the oppression of the resident/s of the house & this could escalate in to an actual possession of the person. Other times it is the person bringing in these demonic entity in their home from rituals & seances performed outside of their homes. So from what I understand...when exorcism is done (after ruling out other factors) & a person is determined to be possessed, the priests will also perform an exorcism of the house...it is just how it is done. It is like when you clean your house, it really isn't completely clean unless you take the garbage out of your house, so a priest will do both. Performing legit exorcisms at least in the Catholic Rite involves consent & strict confidentiality and the fact that it happens everywhere, & the nature, severity, manifestations, frequency & involvement of possession/oppression involving people of different age group, background, status etc varies in nature, makes it really difficult to study & come up with a concrete "data".
@@ReligionForBreakfast That would be of people. Minors exorcisms like that of a house do not require a trained exorcist, just a priest with faculties in the Diocese.
I would add an even simpler possible explanation which refers to the "data" itself: it's easier to find and contact them. Priests report increase in requests for exorcisms because now you can Google "priest exorcism west coast contact"
I'm relieved that the church brings in science for proper medical diagnosis. Perhaps the church could go one step further and help those who receive diagnosis of mental illness by providing them with care, compassion, and appropriate medical support.
Agreed. Instead, it's either no community help, or community help but with more emphasis on the supernatural. This isn't a knock on anyone's beliefs, but peoples' health should be the bigger spotlight here, not whether the devil exists. Church communities can definitely hold a better reputation by going with the common sense method. We need more of this. As much as I enjoyed the first exorcist film, I don't like that it reinforces an archaic fear that we as humans should have left centuries ago..
Love your channel and videos! I was wondering if you could do one on Pentecostalism and maybe its relation with or effects on other Christian denominations?
You should research the Zar Cult in Northern Africa and middle east. The Zar cult performs ceremonial rituals that can last for days for the spiritual healing of possessed people. The Zar Cult has been able to heal possessed people that psychiatrists have been unable to treat or help in any way. Good stuff. The Zar Cult is not a religious group, but a group of ceremonial spiritual healers that work with possessed people of any religous group.
In all my years, I've only encountered 3 bodies that necessitated that kind of intervention. Most of the time(from my perspective), it's just a lack of personal responsibility.
Love your vids and have learnt a great deal, but may I make I small point. When discussing rates “spiked” does not just mean the rate has increases or increased rapidly. Spiked means the rate has increased rapidly and then decreased rapidly. So that when plotted on a graph it looks like a spike. I don’t think that’s what you meant here.
No peer review would even accept such a thing as something to catalog. Sociologists and psychiatrists are mostly devout materialists and refuse to even indulge in these ideas let alone take them seriously. I think you know this but I found it strange you cited lack of peer review as some kind of reason to not look at the priests evidence (anecdotal or not). No matter, still an outstanding video as usual. Keep up the Great Work.
if you are a materialist, then "evil" is as real as a demon would be in the Catholic view. Evil starts as a thought in the mind of a human, which has a material basis in brain chemistry etc. I am not in favor of drugging everybody to avoid evil thoughts. but if someone acts "possessed" then thorazine may be indicated.
When it’s darkest, the light shines brightest. If the light bearers aren’t afraid to take it out of the cupboard into the open. “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.” Matthew 5
The Catholic Chruch are pretty thorough in investigating "supernatural" claims. They don't readily accept claims about miracles, either, but look for other explanations first. Other kinds of congregations might not be equally thorough
@@adamplentl5588 Well, as a response to OP, the main point was that yes, they do consider mental health a whole lot. But of course, if you do not accept the concept of demonic possession in the first place, it's a given that you will never accept the need for exorcisms. But i think it's more relevant and interesting to see the matter in the context of the worldview in question. The alternative doesn't lead to a whole lot of understanding, it's just naysaying
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The USA: Boldly going backward like no country ever before.
You should do a video on Paul and the Corinthian Church. Is there any reason to believe that these early Christians were obsessed with magic or other mystical arts from previous or competing religions? I would love to hear a psych experts opinion; preferably a Christian psychologist.
As a former scientific rationalist who discovered that Goetic magick evokes actual entities from the unconscious, I think it's necessary to ask if the rise in exorcism requests corresponds to an actual increase in demonic activity I know that sounds crazy, and I know you ignored this possibility when listing possible causes, but this does not change the facts of my experience, and the experience of thousands of others "Low Magick" or "My Life with the Spirits" by Lon Milo Duquette, one of the great living ceremonial magicians, will provide more details
There is no possession, its all psychological. There are countless studies on it. The Church is trying hard to keep this ruse going, there's lots of money riding on it.
I would agree. The Vatican may not have the number of every exorcism requests, but they would surely have the number of those they approved the rite to be done...after all those will not be done without Vatican's consent. Also the fact that the increasing number of priests being sent by their bishops to study exorcism is an indicator of the volume of requests for it & more importantly increase in the validity of these demonic possessions & oppression.
There was one Quora answer suggesting a person to seek an exorcist for his depression and most exorcist cases are calm and isn't dramatically scary like in the movies.
Perhaps you should see the association of schizophrenia and exorcism by Turkish professor of Histology by M. Kemal Irmax. He is also the one stated the connection of Hermaphrodism and the virgin Mary birth of Jesus.
Another factor is failure of mental public health in some countries can't afford psychiatric treatment they lead to have exorcism. P.S. off topic you're getting handsome! :)
But Catholic Priests won't perform exorcisms without a mental health screening. A decline in availability of mental health services would make it harder to get an exorcism.
But this is happening in the U.S. where they don't skip those evaluations. So the fact that they skip those evaluations in some countries is irrelevant. If an increase in exorcisms really is happening in the U.S., then a failure of mental health can't be the culprit.
@Chloe Stevens Easy. The human mind isn't for finding the truth. Its for making kids. People being wrong doesn't mean that their brain isn't functioning in a healthy way.
With the increased cost of healthcare, and general distrust of science growing in America, it's only natural people would seek out alternative remedies, including exorcism.
About 15 years ago, as an IT admin in a small company, I set up a daemon on a BSD Unix machine to synch a local and remote database. While developing and testing this, I had automated messaging setup to advise everyone not to make changes to the local database during the sync. The message mentioned the daemon. One woman freaked out.
Oh yeah I had a panicked call to my desk one day. Someone was looking through activity monitor on their mac and saw all these daemons running. They thought they were viruses or something. I don't mean to be cruel but the genuine horror in their voice was mildly amusing
and I can't tell you how many times I have to play along whenever someone confides in me that they see spirits or celestial entities or something. I like to remain empathetic but also don't want to reinforce possible psychiatric harm.
When The Exorcist played there was an uptick in this issue. Anecdotal? You think some entrenched bureaucracy is competent to objectively record, process, analyze etc spiritual disease?
You missed one: people are more exposed to mortal sin through globalised and instant media...that is of course assuming that the Catholic cosmology is correct. Which might be a fun assumption to make about some of the religions we study from time to time.
You certainly have high expectations for the scientific community. Psychiatric diseases prevalence is based on the number of diagnosed cases. So any number is likely to be biased. Certainly in a community where there is a distinct lack of psychiatric care. Your criticism of the article as anecdotal evidence is a bit weird since you right after it interview one author of a book trying to explain the phenomenon.
I know my wife has gotten into it recently. I think she needs to see a therapist, but refuses to go. She has gotten to a point where she claims she can't sleep at night without listening to the bible, or something bible related. I hear sometimes she is listening to TH-cam exorcism videos. Like she turns this stuff on and lays on her phone. This is every day and night now. To me it's quite disturbing, because what person can't sit in silence or sleep in silence because they feel "tortured" in her words.
@@Dizzinator2114 first we need to know why they possessed her, we can knw that from symptoms and ask her questions. after diagnosis I can tell you wht s the first step. could we just talk on facebook or watsapp if you don mind ?
It would be interesting if "speaking in tongues" groups required people to go through psychiatric help before declaring their tongues speaking as legitimate.
BlakeBigfoot saying people in Hollywood are more likely to need an exorcism is not antisemitic. The fact that there are a greater than average portion of Jews living in Los Angeles probably didn’t have anything to do with this comment. You’re being needlessly easy to offend.
Your comment, most Catholics are actually pentacostal. Can u do a video on it? My mum went from a Normie catholic to what feels more like I'd imagine an evangelical to be.
Wow. I have an understanding of what is going on.... I would love to express my beliefs. I do feel like I have an overall understanding that most would not consider
While it's true that certain mischievous planetary rebellious angels who followed Lucifer's program of atheism and unfettered free will, had the ability to enter the feeble minds of the mentally ill from time to time, even up to and including the days of Jesus, these occurances were extremely rare. And after his Ascension to heaven as the supremely exalted and elevated Master Creator Son of his universe 2000 years ago, Jesus imprisoned Lucifer, Satan, and all of their rebel followers on an isolated detention world. And on the 2,000th birthday of Jesus of Nazareth, August 21st 1994, the long-awaited local universe trial verdict of 'Gabriel vs Lucifer', was announced. The rebels were declared "guilty", and were instantly annihilated by the Executioners of the super universe governors, the Ancients of Days. Therefore, it is absolutely impossible for humans to become possessed at all by so-called evil spirits, and the future possibility of becoming demon possessed no longer poses a threat to mankind.
Hey! Love the work you do and your fair and evenhanded study of religion, I really appreciate it. I feel there is one other explanation you did not consider; Could the rise in exorcism be a rise in genuine demonic activity? I know you’re mostly neutral when it comes to talking about religious truth, and perhaps aren’t religious yourself, but I think there could be evidence here of supernatural phenomena. Worth consideration, at least.
There is no proof of demons existing and no proof of them possessing people. A rise in dissociative disorders, psychotic or schizophrenic disorders would make more sense than just assuming that it’s a undocumented and unproven supernatural phenomenon.
Not a word on the rate of success. How do we know the increased number of exorcisms is due to new “clients” and not to old ones that keep getting repossessed? 🤔
Dude! these alleged possessed people are christian believers. And saying that pagan practices is medium for demonic manifestation, then most of the roman empire citizens had been probably got possessed?
I am not a psychologist but I do read up on psychology hence I know that there are many overlapping symptoms for different psychological disorders. It really not easy to claim that these victims of exorcisms posses some of the symptoms so they have those disorders. We need more research; please do recommend if you come across. I do follow your channel for breakfast sometimes though.
One time at a sleepover, my friends and I did the Charlie Charlie game (which is basically a makeshift oujia board). My dad (a strong Catholic) caught us, ripped up the paper, and sprinkled salt all over the house for about 30 minutes while praying to the Archangel Michael. I also got in huge trouble.
And your 15 ? You do this nonsense?
I've done Charlie Charlie before, in a christian school with a christian friend nontheless, and only found out recently how taboo it was. Shame nothing happened, lol
1 in a 100 Italians possessed? Sounds about right.
Even consevative
@@joseelempecinao89 yes, quite conservative
It would explain a lot about our current government...
You expect no duplicates. The struggles of the people sending them makes it it plausible that they send more than one
might be the cause of my drug abuse problem
Super fair coverage! I am a a Catholic and have heard these ideas as well, but (at least from my research ) you covered exorcisms very accurately from a factual point of view. Really appreciate your videos!
Thanks! I try to be as balanced as possible.
There are other demons which people ignore : the demon of fornication, the demon of pride, the demon of vainglory, the demon of non-belief, the demon of gluttony, the demon of lazyness, the demon of avidity etc.
Today we mostly talk about demonic possessions that bring us strange behaviours, but we forget about the demons that are right next to us.
There are as many demons as there are passions.
Confession to a priest is the way to deal with these demons, and with prayer and fasting, they can be expelled.
@Hauss of Compassion I've seen both.
Therapists hardly even help you with something, they can't have a clear answer to questions. These guys also often use outdated research made by Freud.
Priests, on the other hand, give clear answers and orders, which are a lot more useful. Their advices stem from the Holy Scripture and from Church Fathers, and they usually have empirical evidence, as they were often tried by the priest himself.
There are however, good therapists and bad priests, it depends on who you encounter.
The other advantage of confession, is that you don't have to pay the same sums of money you pay a therapist. I don't pay anything when I confess to a priest.
@Hauss of Compassion I should have specified Orthodox priests.
Empirical evidence here: personal experience + experience of their spiritual fathers, from whom they learnt. Like, for example, fasting reduces libido.
Orthodox priests aren't supposed to teach others what they haven't already tried on their own. They are supposed to send them to a more experienced Father if needed.
I'm not sure Catholics still have the Holy Spirit upon them.
@Hauss of Compassion Also, you seem to have a superstitious view of demons.
They are not to be feared, as they are powerless on their own.
> _"Is exorcism on the rise? and if so, why?"_
More demons
d'uh
Right. Hello!
More films about exorcism of late = more people thinking that people are possessed it is hardly rocket science, the exact same thing occurred with alien sightings following the release of Close Encounters Of The Third Kind.
Probably not more demons but more opened door ways for demonic possession like ouija boards etc
@supoy100
I think the veil is opening wider and attracting more of these negative entities. More and more people are experiencing a higer number of negative emotion due to stress of modern living
That's where 4chan comes from
I just wanted to write that I really appreciate your work and every time I see you’ve uploaded a video I get low key excited
Thank you! I appreciate the encouragement.
Me too! I find these videos very therapeutic and interesting.
“Exorcism over Skype”
Vade retro me, TH-cam!
He must've made a killing when Unfriended came out
Yeah, who still uses Skype?
Why not, Bob Tilton could cure people on TV.
Goo Lagoon total scam and it’s beyond me how people don’t see it
What a strange development.
When I was a kid my mom mostly took me to Baptist churches, and she believed in demons that were real. She thought that all the time there is a war between the angels and the fallen angels. She always seemed more extreme than just about anyone else I've ever known.
She also believed some of the typical things, like Ouiji boards could cause a demon to possess you, heavy metal bands were trying to turn the kids toward Satan, etc.
"Remember that a few years ago you played albums backwards there was satanic messages. Let me tell you something, if you ever sat around playing your albums backwards… …you ARE Satan."
- Bill Hicks
@@askadoctorifheresyisright4you Now just play them forward. no need to play them backwards anymore
You should make a video explaining Pentecostalism. It's a very unusual movement with a very unusual history.
Yeah I really want to, especially after doing research for this video.
@@ReligionForBreakfast It's a whole world of dogmatic crazy.
Great video. However, I would argue that those Catholics who are are concerned with the "gifts of the Holy Spirit" and such are better classified as charismatic rather than Pentecostal (which from my understanding is its own family of denominations, in the USA at least).
I am a Catholic and I would argue that, after Council Vatican II, Catholicism has ceased to exist. So I agree with you, but at the same time I believe we can be called whatever you like. Fancy dressed protestants maybe?
@@ODC88888 So, every big doctrine-reshaping council from the Great Schism to the 20th century kept the fundamental essence of Catholicism, but deciding to be less exclusionary with God's grace was going too far?
@@timothymclean I must have been in a bad mood when I wrote that comment, and thought no one was going to read it.
Nevertheless, it's quite obvious I have no "sympathy" for Council Vatican II
I would argue that all previous councils's purpose was defining and clarifying doctrine, and not as you wrote "reshaping doctrine": that is precisely what I Vatican II did and what I don't like about it.
The Great Schism was more of a political thing than doctrinal. The Filioque was really a pretext, and most Orthodox could settle for a "Through" instead of and "And".
However, I believe the Orthodox are right to stick to the first 7
Nothing notable really has been decided from Lateran I until Lateran 5
then there is Trent, of course, and before Basil, Ferrara and Florence (but the union did not last long and Constantinople fell: one of the greatest disasters in history)
I think any Pope, bishop, etc. before Vatican I (first) could recognise an Orthodox Divine Liturgy, but would be at total loss with a modern Mass.
In conclusion, I believe that Ecumenical Councils after the Great Schism, even before actually: after Nicaea II and Constantinople IV, except the one of Ferrara (who failed) and Trent (badly needed) were mostly superfluous and dealing with banal questions, but that Vatican I and especially Vatican II practically all but destroyed the "fundamental essence of Catholicism".
This said, if I were a good, observant Catholic, which I am not, I should not be questioning Ecumenical Councils (were they really Ecumenical?) Ups! I did it again! :) Anathema! :)
Thank you for your interesting question. All the best.
He's conflating (or at least co-mixing) discussion of different groups.
I like how you flag the discussion before going into it.
The Vatican may not keep a record of exorcism, but in the USA priests appointed as exorcists must keep case files. Just like baptismal records are super useful for genealogies and ancestry individual Catholic exorcists priest will have very accurate records.
Yes, check the number of exorcism requests in the year the movie came out the novel was popular. This is along shark bites after Jaws came out. With the rise of "nones" in the US it's hard to believe anyone thinks there is something to this and the belief in the devil should go down.
Some time ago ReligionForBreakfast did a video entirely on the "Disenchanted World" hypothesis he mentions in this video; he point out that, though more and more young people are leaving organized religions, a great number of them still consider themselves to be "spiritual," seeking paranormal nourishment in forms outside the traditional religious hierarchies. You don't have to be Christian to believe in demons, just really ignorant.
People can be despicable. They don't want to blame themselves. So, blame it on the devil. People have always preferred supernatural explanation (where they do not have to take the blame or work on the answer) than to take personal responsibility. Always easier to blame it on someone else.
"let's give the catholic priests the benefit of the doubt".... Now that's a statement you don't here often!
Well, we all, eventually, have to give the Devil his due.
Sorry. I don't know what possessed me to write that.
@@peculiarlittleman5303 Did you know that after Christopher Hitchins acted as Devil's Advocate in the sainthood trial of Mother Teresa, the Vatican abolished the position? If you can't lick 'em, dismiss 'em.
Most of priests Ive met were good people. It must really sucks to devote your life to helping people spiritually, and end up having everyone suspect you of doing bad things to children, especially when other trades, like for example teachers, have the lead in that department.
@@whiteobama3032 I find it difficult to reconcile "spiritual" with "good person", when the person encourages others to believe in spirits. Well-meaning, yes; good, no.
@@JiveDadson sure, you could say that, but lets be honest - you know just as much about whats out there as any other schmuck. And if you think that anyone who have different beliefs than you is evil, then you probably know even less than that.
Check out my full interview with Dr. Jason Josephson-Storm here!: th-cam.com/video/Y8jUsOv7QX4/w-d-xo.html
ReligionForBreakfast I don’t believe in God or the Devil, and if they were real, I’m not sure how I could conclude that the Devil is the ”bad” one. People say it's obvious; the Bible tells us God is Good and the devil is evil. I doubt if an evil God would claim he's the evil one in a book inspired by him/her/it
You make a very insightful point about a possible correlation between the decline in mental health services and the alleged rise in exorcisms. It stands to reason that if people can't get medical help for their troubling emotional issues, they would naturally seek help elsewhere, whether from a curandero or an exorcist.
Nice video as always. Just a note on your use of mental health terms. It’s hard to tell if you’re equating psychotic disorders like Schizophrenia with dissociative disorders like Dissociative Identity Disorder. They’re definitely not the same diagnosis and present with very different symptoms. People often think that individuals with Schizophrenia have multiple personalities like DID, but that’s not the case.
Lovin' your videos. It would be awesome if you did one on the birth of Catholicism. Not the basic stuff, but the origins for why it is a more mystical branch of Christianity, centering around ritual and evocation, and the inclusion of the divine feminine through the importance of Mary and mother worship .
When people don't know to call their stressors a source of stress, instead they call it demons.
But that's what the church is there for. They don't just dispatch an exorcist because you called in stressed out. The process is quite lengthy, they are very detailed and in-depth in the analysis.
@@jonathansoko5368 *In theory and on paper, but not really in practice, unfortunately.*
@@StellaMontenegroin practice they reject 99% of cases and direct them to mental health experts. So sounds like it works in practice too.
@@baumholderh8425 You wish! Depends on the Parish and country. Not even close to that percentage, unfortunately. Especially non-Western countries. The majority are still highly uneducated in psychology and psychiatry and are superstitious with folklore Tradition and culture.
@@StellaMontenegro sorry, I should clarify I’m specifically speaking of the Catholic Church, I can’t speak for other groups.
The whole point of the Catholic Church is having a pope to say the law, that’s why last week they sent a letter reminding every one of the one correct way to baptize. Likewise they have the exorcism standards defined very strictly. They specifically, reject 99% of cases
I think instant gratification is part of the problem. Mental or social problems take a very long time to treat and in this society of "I want it now!" the idea of Exorcism as a quick fix is appealing. Just like the televangelist shows, "I put my hand on your head, demon be gone, that'll be $1,000, next, "
Great video. You do a reliably good job with all your topics. Kudos.
So what actually are "demonic" symptoms as distinct from psychological symptoms?
Yay a RFB vid!
In Brazil it's really popular but not in the Catholic line but the other christians.
Last year in Germany I went to the 16th annual conference between the Lutheran State Church and the Pentecostal Churches. The topic this time was exorcism. It was the best attended meeting in the last 16 years with Roman Catholic attendees from as far away as Vienna.
Whoa that is so fascinating. That’s worth another video...
@@ReligionForBreakfast There is an increasing interest in- or need for exorcism here too. The Lutherans mostly take a more sceptical "atheist" stance, referring to the connection to pop culture, while the Pentecostals and Roman Catholics see it in the classical/biblical sense. Psychological problems and disorders are also on the rise.
Would be interesting to know validated stats and the background of the people seeking exorcism to correlate any links and points raised?
Thank you for your good work.
Start with government officials pls.
This is purely speculative, but perhaps there may be a correlation in exorcisms and generalized anxiety disorder and major depressive disorder. From talking with people in my day to day, people generally have a broad understanding of these disorders, but more an archetype of intuition than anything really actual, the classic “sometimes you’re just sad” or “I have anxiety all the time and I’m fine” deal. So perhaps people are exhibiting generalized anxiety disorder feel this heightened sense of fear and attribute to the demonic activity. The same may be possible with major depressive disorder as children with it will often say it’s a devil telling them their negative ideations. Purely a theory, though.
As someone who understands and teaches well about human religions, I was wondering if you'd feel comfortable sharing your own leve of religiosity. Thanks for posting this!
Another question to ask about these numbers: are all these exorcisms of _people_? Or does it also include exorcism of houses etc.
That’s a really good question, and I don’t know the answer. Jason Josephson-Storm did say that house exorcisms are popular too, but I haven’t seen data.
I thought that was a great question too
The numbers maybe not be "exact", but no doubt of the increase demand. I'm pretty sure that the number of request for exorcism would be a mix of both, for the property (house, building) & the person. Often times these 2 are linked either the property is haunted first then that leads to the oppression of the resident/s of the house & this could escalate in to an actual possession of the person. Other times it is the person bringing in these demonic entity in their home from rituals & seances performed outside of their homes.
So from what I understand...when exorcism is done (after ruling out other factors) & a person is determined to be possessed, the priests will also perform an exorcism of the house...it is just how it is done. It is like when you clean your house, it really isn't completely clean unless you take the garbage out of your house, so a priest will do both.
Performing legit exorcisms at least in the Catholic Rite involves consent & strict confidentiality and the fact that it happens everywhere, & the nature, severity, manifestations, frequency & involvement of possession/oppression involving people of different age group, background, status etc varies in nature, makes it really difficult to study & come up with a concrete "data".
@@ReligionForBreakfast That would be of people. Minors exorcisms like that of a house do not require a trained exorcist, just a priest with faculties in the Diocese.
I would add an even simpler possible explanation which refers to the "data" itself: it's easier to find and contact them. Priests report increase in requests for exorcisms because now you can Google "priest exorcism west coast contact"
I'm relieved that the church brings in science for proper medical diagnosis.
Perhaps the church could go one step further and help those who receive diagnosis of mental illness by providing them with care, compassion, and appropriate medical support.
Agreed. Instead, it's either no community help, or community help but with more emphasis on the supernatural. This isn't a knock on anyone's beliefs, but peoples' health should be the bigger spotlight here, not whether the devil exists. Church communities can definitely hold a better reputation by going with the common sense method. We need more of this. As much as I enjoyed the first exorcist film, I don't like that it reinforces an archaic fear that we as humans should have left centuries ago..
Thank you for your job.
Love your channel and videos! I was wondering if you could do one on Pentecostalism and maybe its relation with or effects on other Christian denominations?
You should research the Zar Cult in Northern Africa and middle east. The Zar cult performs ceremonial rituals that can last for days for the spiritual healing of possessed people. The Zar Cult has been able to heal possessed people that psychiatrists have been unable to treat or help in any way. Good stuff. The Zar Cult is not a religious group, but a group of ceremonial spiritual healers that work with possessed people of any religous group.
2020 says there still haven’t been enough exorcisms.
In all my years, I've only encountered 3 bodies that necessitated that kind of intervention. Most of the time(from my perspective), it's just a lack of personal responsibility.
Love your vids and have learnt a great deal, but may I make I small point.
When discussing rates “spiked” does not just mean the rate has increases or increased rapidly. Spiked means the rate has increased rapidly and then decreased rapidly. So that when plotted on a graph it looks like a spike.
I don’t think that’s what you meant here.
No peer review would even accept such a thing as something to catalog. Sociologists and psychiatrists are mostly devout materialists and refuse to even indulge in these ideas let alone take them seriously. I think you know this but I found it strange you cited lack of peer review as some kind of reason to not look at the priests evidence (anecdotal or not). No matter, still an outstanding video as usual. Keep up the Great Work.
Try actually watching the video. He cites studies from academic psychology and interviews a scholar of religious studies.
yes but very few believe but that cant tell out
or because health care is so expensive that maybe instead of ill, the person is possessed.
hey didnt u hear the pope!!!??
demons r for real😕
if you are a materialist, then "evil" is as real as a demon would be in the Catholic view. Evil starts as a thought in the mind of a human, which has a material basis in brain chemistry etc. I am not in favor of drugging everybody to avoid evil thoughts. but if someone acts "possessed" then thorazine may be indicated.
do you have a video on kardec spiritism and/or spirit de-obession as a less stigmatized form of exorcism?
When it’s darkest, the light shines brightest.
If the light bearers aren’t afraid to take it out of the cupboard into the open.
“You are the light of the world.
A town built on a hill cannot be hidden.
Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl.
Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.”
Matthew 5
Dissociative, not dis-associative. Otherwise, great video as always!
Fascinating! Thanks
You look good in this video. Loving your glasses
'Let's give the Catholic priests the benefit of the doubt'
*That generally doesn't end well*
Thanks for the videos. :)
So St. Peter and all the apostles?
Glad to hear there are at least some considerations for mental health when pursuing a supposed exorcism.
The Catholic Chruch are pretty thorough in investigating "supernatural" claims. They don't readily accept claims about miracles, either, but look for other explanations first.
Other kinds of congregations might not be equally thorough
@@oskarhenriksen If they accept any, they aren't thorough enough.
@@adamplentl5588 That's another issue
@@oskarhenriksen no it isn't. It's this issue.
@@adamplentl5588 Well, as a response to OP, the main point was that yes, they do consider mental health a whole lot.
But of course, if you do not accept the concept of demonic possession in the first place, it's a given that you will never accept the need for exorcisms.
But i think it's more relevant and interesting to see the matter in the context of the worldview in question.
The alternative doesn't lead to a whole lot of understanding, it's just naysaying
The USA: Boldly going backward like no country ever before.
They've been going back for a while now it's sad because it drags the world down too
You should do a video on Paul and the Corinthian Church. Is there any reason to believe that these early Christians were obsessed with magic or other mystical arts from previous or competing religions? I would love to hear a psych experts opinion; preferably a Christian psychologist.
Thanks!
As a former scientific rationalist who discovered that Goetic magick evokes actual entities from the unconscious, I think it's necessary to ask if the rise in exorcism requests corresponds to an actual increase in demonic activity
I know that sounds crazy, and I know you ignored this possibility when listing possible causes, but this does not change the facts of my experience, and the experience of thousands of others
"Low Magick" or "My Life with the Spirits" by Lon Milo Duquette, one of the great living ceremonial magicians, will provide more details
I notice you kept the mic out of the picture. Thank you.
Haha thought you’d appreciate that! It’s a new camera set up so it’s easier to keep the mic off screen.
I would like the know if the rates are going up with atheist as well. Could be a good benchmark to go off of.
Hey Andrew, in 7:14, shouldn't it be charismatic catholics, as they call themselves?
Yes. It is easy with power
"youtuber exorcist" bruh
I don't want to live through another satanic panic.
Religion for breakfast is one of my favourite channels. Always enjoy seeing a new video.
I wonder what the Ven Diagram of people getting Exorcism and Plague Enthusiasts looks like?
Plague Enthusiast??
@@daddyleon anti vaxxers. I feel they need a name change anti faxxer just sounds so negative.
@@ieuanhunt552 hahahaha that's a hilariously appropriate name! Love the sarcasm too btw.
There is no possession, its all psychological. There are countless studies on it. The Church is trying hard to keep this ruse going, there's lots of money riding on it.
They most certainly do document EVERY excorcism in the Catholic church.
I would agree. The Vatican may not have the number of every exorcism requests, but they would surely have the number of those they approved the rite to be done...after all those will not be done without Vatican's consent. Also the fact that the increasing number of priests being sent by their bishops to study exorcism is an indicator of the volume of requests for it & more importantly increase in the validity of these demonic possessions & oppression.
There was one Quora answer suggesting a person to seek an exorcist for his depression and most exorcist cases are calm and isn't dramatically scary like in the movies.
Perhaps you should see the association of schizophrenia and exorcism by Turkish professor of Histology by M. Kemal Irmax. He is also the one stated the connection of Hermaphrodism and the virgin Mary birth of Jesus.
Another factor is failure of mental public health in some countries can't afford psychiatric treatment they lead to have exorcism.
P.S. off topic you're getting handsome! :)
But Catholic Priests won't perform exorcisms without a mental health screening. A decline in availability of mental health services would make it harder to get an exorcism.
Gregory Bogosian but some countries skip those evaluations.
But this is happening in the U.S. where they don't skip those evaluations. So the fact that they skip those evaluations in some countries is irrelevant. If an increase in exorcisms really is happening in the U.S., then a failure of mental health can't be the culprit.
@Chloe Stevens Easy. The human mind isn't for finding the truth. Its for making kids. People being wrong doesn't mean that their brain isn't functioning in a healthy way.
@@Sewblon Delusions definitely mean that.
With the increased cost of healthcare, and general distrust of science growing in America, it's only natural people would seek out alternative remedies, including exorcism.
My Linux machine is FULL of daemons!
About 15 years ago, as an IT admin in a small company, I set up a daemon on a BSD Unix machine to synch a local and remote database. While developing and testing this, I had automated messaging setup to advise everyone not to make changes to the local database during the sync. The message mentioned the daemon. One woman freaked out.
Oh yeah I had a panicked call to my desk one day. Someone was looking through activity monitor on their mac and saw all these daemons running. They thought they were viruses or something. I don't mean to be cruel but the genuine horror in their voice was mildly amusing
Why do these demons always possess a "believer"?
I suggest anyone read The Devils of Loudun by Aldous Huxley. People are just really dumb and suggestible. See also the Satanic Panic.
I wouldn't be so quick to throw people feeling they are oppressed by something out as superstitious
I love Huxley
and I can't tell you how many times I have to play along whenever someone confides in me that they see spirits or celestial entities or something. I like to remain empathetic but also don't want to reinforce possible psychiatric harm.
Satan: "Im sure there is perfectly rational explanation for all this"
When The Exorcist played there was an uptick in this issue. Anecdotal? You think some entrenched bureaucracy is competent to objectively record, process, analyze etc spiritual disease?
Nice work. I would have included Carl Jung's aion. Jordan Peterson never went into it for good reason but I feel it may have context in your video.
You missed one: people are more exposed to mortal sin through globalised and instant media...that is of course assuming that the Catholic cosmology is correct. Which might be a fun assumption to make about some of the religions we study from time to time.
The irony..the priest also needs a psychiatrist.
You certainly have high expectations for the scientific community.
Psychiatric diseases prevalence is based on the number of diagnosed cases. So any number is likely to be biased. Certainly in a community where there is a distinct lack of psychiatric care.
Your criticism of the article as anecdotal evidence is a bit weird since you right after it interview one author of a book trying to explain the phenomenon.
The book: The Rite: The Making of a Modern Exorcist , by Matt Baglio was good. The film that the book is based on is garbage.
Who you gonna call?
Maybe exorcisms went viral? Seems they are concentrated in the same area
I doubt nasa sends rockets into space since their claims have not been peer reviewed by plumbers
I know my wife has gotten into it recently. I think she needs to see a therapist, but refuses to go. She has gotten to a point where she claims she can't sleep at night without listening to the bible, or something bible related. I hear sometimes she is listening to TH-cam exorcism videos. Like she turns this stuff on and lays on her phone. This is every day and night now. To me it's quite disturbing, because what person can't sit in silence or sleep in silence because they feel "tortured" in her words.
hello, I will help you, get in touch. you lose nothing
R A by what means?
tell her what to do, like self exorcism and you both will notice the change
R A ok, go on. What to do or is it just a prayer over it, or is it something special should be said?
@@Dizzinator2114 first we need to know why they possessed her, we can knw that from symptoms and ask her questions.
after diagnosis I can tell you wht s the first step.
could we just talk on facebook or watsapp if you don mind ?
I don't trust anybody with 3 names.
Do you think Lambert is lying when he said he saw lévitation bogies and people speaking latin when.they only speak englisg
It would be interesting if "speaking in tongues" groups required people to go through psychiatric help before declaring their tongues speaking as legitimate.
It would be on the rise in hollywood I would think.
The south and the midwest, actually. You know, where the actually despicable people live.
that's anti-semitic statement.
David Jacobs what? No it isn’t.
@@theanonymousmrgrape5911 it is actually.
BlakeBigfoot saying people in Hollywood are more likely to need an exorcism is not antisemitic. The fact that there are a greater than average portion of Jews living in Los Angeles probably didn’t have anything to do with this comment. You’re being needlessly easy to offend.
Your comment, most Catholics are actually pentacostal. Can u do a video on it? My mum went from a Normie catholic to what feels more like I'd imagine an evangelical to be.
Sounded demanding. Just a suggestion. Love the vids!
Wow. I have an understanding of what is going on.... I would love to express my beliefs. I do feel like I have an overall understanding that most would not consider
can we share experience?
Perfect bite sized vids.
While it's true that certain mischievous planetary rebellious angels who followed Lucifer's program of atheism and unfettered free will, had the ability to enter the feeble minds of the mentally ill from time to time, even up to and including the days of Jesus, these occurances were extremely rare. And after his Ascension to heaven as the supremely exalted and elevated Master Creator Son of his universe 2000 years ago, Jesus imprisoned Lucifer, Satan, and all of their rebel followers on an isolated detention world. And on the 2,000th birthday of Jesus of Nazareth, August 21st 1994, the long-awaited local universe trial verdict of 'Gabriel vs Lucifer', was announced. The rebels were declared "guilty", and were instantly annihilated by the Executioners of the super universe governors, the Ancients of Days. Therefore, it is absolutely impossible for humans to become possessed at all by so-called evil spirits, and the future possibility of becoming demon possessed no longer poses a threat to mankind.
Has anyone pointed out that you sound like VSauce?
We need the exorcism for this Coronavirus
Hey! Love the work you do and your fair and evenhanded study of religion, I really appreciate it. I feel there is one other explanation you did not consider; Could the rise in exorcism be a rise in genuine demonic activity? I know you’re mostly neutral when it comes to talking about religious truth, and perhaps aren’t religious yourself, but I think there could be evidence here of supernatural phenomena. Worth consideration, at least.
There is no proof of demons existing and no proof of them possessing people.
A rise in dissociative disorders, psychotic or schizophrenic disorders would make more sense than just assuming that it’s a undocumented and unproven supernatural phenomenon.
Francis should know about the reality of demons... Ya know, being one and all...
Not a word on the rate of success. How do we know the increased number of exorcisms is due to new “clients” and not to old ones that keep getting repossessed? 🤔
both, but mainly cz people are getting aware of the usefulness of exorcism, I mean Islamic exorcism
Pentecostal Christian : ooo cool video lets watch
3:24: *screams in tongues*
It's like Ghostbusters.
What if technology is being used by the corrupt to create the feelings of possession?
Engaging in occult and pagan practices could be the primary medium through which the demonic is manifesting itself.
Dude! these alleged possessed people are christian believers. And saying that pagan practices is medium for demonic manifestation, then most of the roman empire citizens had been probably got possessed?
I am not a psychologist but I do read up on psychology hence I know that there are many overlapping symptoms for different psychological disorders. It really not easy to claim that these victims of exorcisms posses some of the symptoms so they have those disorders. We need more research; please do recommend if you come across. I do follow your channel for breakfast sometimes though.
I am who I am
An exorcist tells his story - Fr Gabriele Amorth .. please peruse this book for a more accurate information
5:13 A soul patch in 2019??