I found all that you said very interesting. I had lost control of keys opening up where I work (I am the main key holder) due to people losing keys then getting a second and third copy. An outside user of the premises was also making copies even though they were told not too. I got advice from a locksmith who sold me a lock (euro cylinder) that uses keys not every locksmith will carry. In fact the company he purchased the lock from wouldn't give him the blanks, only they would cut them. He did say that some locksmith would carry the key though. The proof of the pudding was that when I gave a copy of the key to the company that uses the premises I told them NOT to copy the key. Several weeks later they sent me an email saying they couldn't get the key copied as a locksmith refused unless I gave him permission. So it did work in giving key control but it shows how people can ignore your instructions.
This is great, I’m actually considering switching my place over to using Primus with a Schlage B560, right now, so this is pretty timely. Thanks for discussing it!
@@HelpfulLockPicker Great tip, thank you. I may still not do it since it’s basically a good amount of money just to guard against the somewhat unrealistic “evil babysitter” attack (someone you trust with a key making a copy), especially since I can also repin a non-Primus lock myself if I was ever concerned (had a falling out with babysitter). A lot to consider!
It is actually a pretty cool finding a :-) I sort of discovered it by accident and then looked it up. It was actually a marketing thing LOL. It makes sense from a marketing perspective where it would be backwards compatible so that you could slowly upgrade your system.
Is there any like quickest deadbolt keys that can be filed down to match this key? Just wondering if there is any commonly sold blanks that can be modified to do the same or is it only Primus key?
Nice pathway to increased security. A knowledgeable person looking at your High Security lock will see the word Primus and realize what it is. Any Primus certainly requires a high degree of picking skill. I wonder if the "kiosk" would just think your Primus key is an SC4 and just cut it to that bitting? Maybe you should try it (obviously if it does make a key, it won't work in the Primus cylinder). Security is all about key control; hence "restricted" and difficult to duplicate key blanks
I wondered the same thing. The kiosk would probably just see it as a "normal" sc4 unless it was programmed to recognize it specifically as incompatible. So I'm curious if it would work or not as well.
but the point here is to use high-security(-looking) keys, in low-security cylinders, right? Just to make it less likely to have duplication happen, even though it could easily be copied onto an SC4 blank, and it would work?
What I always see is they buy high security cylinders for exterior doors and important rooms like server room or storage but use standard cylinders on the rest of doors, typically their master key is a primus while lower level people have standard keys or fobs
What I have done is file the bottom of the key halfway to the first warding. Then the duplicate key is cut too deeply. Granted pulling out the key slightly will lift the pins enough to make it work. To counter that I file off the trailing rise to the depth of the last cut.
Sorry I don't deal with schlage Primus nor assa do to huge mess and my shop only sell medico products and uscan stuff medico is easy to key no finger pins
As both Schlage primus and Medeco M4 dealer I am used to finger pins. Medeco M4 uses them now. We really base it off of use case, Do they want just high security exterior and 1 master key or are they looking for seperate interior/exterior masters.
Never mind I’ve got it. Thanks anyway. us.allegion.com/content/dam/allegion-us-2/web-documents-2/Catalog/Schlage_Key_Systems_Cylinders_and_Keys_Catalog_109487.pdf
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I found all that you said very interesting. I had lost control of keys opening up where I work (I am the main key holder) due to people losing keys then getting a second and third copy. An outside user of the premises was also making copies even though they were told not too. I got advice from a locksmith who sold me a lock (euro cylinder) that uses keys not every locksmith will carry. In fact the company he purchased the lock from wouldn't give him the blanks, only they would cut them. He did say that some locksmith would carry the key though.
The proof of the pudding was that when I gave a copy of the key to the company that uses the premises I told them NOT to copy the key. Several weeks later they sent me an email saying they couldn't get the key copied as a locksmith refused unless I gave him permission.
So it did work in giving key control but it shows how people can ignore your instructions.
Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately, people can be frustrating
Love this type of non-actual-picking content from you! Thanks for the all the cool vids, HLP
Thank you for your kind words. It is fun to switch it up
Brilliant! It’s the lock security version of the decoy security cameras!
It sort of is, thanks for checking it out 😀
Could you please link that PDF, classic primus keyway chart I would love to have that. Thanks for your explanation by the way totally great.
Now you just need to manufacture a Primus end cap for the keyway and you’ve nailed it!
Lol, maybe someone can 3D print one
@@HelpfulLockPicker Just try not to jam up the lock when you shred the PLA jamming in your SC4 key. ;)
This is great, I’m actually considering switching my place over to using Primus with a Schlage B560, right now, so this is pretty timely. Thanks for discussing it!
On machine I have to use a different jaw to make sure they cut right. Just something to look out for
@@HelpfulLockPicker Great tip, thank you. I may still not do it since it’s basically a good amount of money just to guard against the somewhat unrealistic “evil babysitter” attack (someone you trust with a key making a copy), especially since I can also repin a non-Primus lock myself if I was ever concerned (had a falling out with babysitter). A lot to consider!
Are you able to use something like the covert? Instruments replicator to make a cast copy of the process, prime is key.
What is the 5 PIN number
Great video. I really like the way to get better key control. Take care and have a great day. 🗝👍
Thanks for checking it out 😀
I never knew this, very interesting.👍
It is actually a pretty cool finding a :-)
I sort of discovered it by accident and then looked it up. It was actually a marketing thing LOL. It makes sense from a marketing perspective where it would be backwards compatible so that you could slowly upgrade your system.
@@HelpfulLockPicker wow, who knew. Cheers for sharing with us all. :)
Is there any like quickest deadbolt keys that can be filed down to match this key? Just wondering if there is any commonly sold blanks that can be modified to do the same or is it only Primus key?
I am not sure
Nice pathway to increased security. A knowledgeable person looking at your High Security lock will see the word Primus and realize what it is. Any Primus certainly requires a high degree of picking skill. I wonder if the "kiosk" would just think your Primus key is an SC4 and just cut it to that bitting? Maybe you should try it (obviously if it does make a key, it won't work in the Primus cylinder). Security is all about key control; hence "restricted" and difficult to duplicate key blanks
I wondered the same thing. The kiosk would probably just see it as a "normal" sc4 unless it was programmed to recognize it specifically as incompatible. So I'm curious if it would work or not as well.
I can try it out sometime. I would assume it would read that there is a sidebar and abort
we do this often, customers do not want to buy high security cylinders for the entire building.
thanks for sharing your first-hand experience :-)
but the point here is to use high-security(-looking) keys, in low-security cylinders, right? Just to make it less likely to have duplication happen, even though it could easily be copied onto an SC4 blank, and it would work?
What I always see is they buy high security cylinders for exterior doors and important rooms like server room or storage but use standard cylinders on the rest of doors, typically their master key is a primus while lower level people have standard keys or fobs
😃 I like it!!!
Very easy to add some security 👍
Cool!!
Stay safe my friend
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Thanks Chris
This is good information
Thanks for checking it out
@@HelpfulLockPicker you always have interesting content
Cool info!
Thanks for checking it out
What I have done is file the bottom of the key halfway to the first warding. Then the duplicate key is cut too deeply.
Granted pulling out the key slightly will lift the pins enough to make it work. To counter that I file off the trailing rise to the depth of the last cut.
Thanks for sharing
What about optimus prime and the Decepticons?
that should be fairly effective against the Decepticons
Very cool thing to know ty
Thanks for checking it out
But is it a check primus key???
I'm not sure what you're talking about but thank you for sharing
do they make a primus key for 5 pin lol
You could just cut the tip off
@@HelpfulLockPicker good point
Coffee-time.
Thank you for sharing
Oh yea and first
thanks for checking it out
Sorry I don't deal with schlage Primus nor assa do to huge mess and my shop only sell medico products and uscan stuff medico is easy to key no finger pins
Thanks for sharing
As both Schlage primus and Medeco M4 dealer I am used to finger pins. Medeco M4 uses them now. We really base it off of use case, Do they want just high security exterior and 1 master key or are they looking for seperate interior/exterior masters.
Never mind I’ve got it. Thanks anyway. us.allegion.com/content/dam/allegion-us-2/web-documents-2/Catalog/Schlage_Key_Systems_Cylinders_and_Keys_Catalog_109487.pdf