The Oblique Kick With Jon Jones: Fight School
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The UFC light heavyweight champion and his coach Mike Winkeljohn explain the subtleties of one of the most effective and most controversial moves in MMA.
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Tried it on my Grandma, wasn't disappointed.
hah hah
Blursed
Okay, that was funny :-) I hope you're joking tho :-)
I also tried it on my granny. She beat my ass this kick sucks 😤😥
Actually laughed out loud. Good one
Oblique kick is so effective. It’s easy and quick to throw, has very little risk, and can do serious damage if you don’t know how to defend it. If ur in a street fight just throw this kick a few times and ur opponent gonna be in a hospital with a torn acl
Facts!
The kick is effective but it has its downsides the problem with low kicking is your head gets exposed so its easy to counter and it is also that your vulnerable for sleeps with low kicks
@@justhaifished he said hit at a angle where their not at range so I feel it would be best thrown when someone walks towards us
@@justhaifished that’s where the feints come and mixing with front snap kicks, question mark kicks, knees, really anything that requires using raising that knee can be mixed well together so you don’t know when or how to counter
@@rainman688 i know but try that when a opponent is attacking definitely not as easy as you make it sound
My dad is a taekwondo black belt and we were messing around one night after I had watched this and I kept throwing the kick over and over again (not with any intent) and my dad could literally not get in range of me or defend this kick. If your facing someone who doesnt know this kick in a real fight it's almost a free win.
Bruh no lie I’ve done it a couple times and if you can time that shit when you think there gonna put there weight on it it’s over. Easy W
Who da fook gave him that shit can't defend a 🦵
Taekwando is absolutely garbage and your dad must be one shit black belt.
Good idea... Imma rip my dad's knee apart tonite. OSS
Leg kicks are not allowed in Taekwondo. So makes sense that your dad wouldn't know how to check/defnd the oblique kicks.
Now imagine this kick after you've trained it and perfected it, on a regular Joe in a street fight while you also have shoes on
Ah, the pleasure of giving them into an innocent knees must be immaculate
Never walking again
That's why I'm here Mate. I need this technique in my arsenal
I use it extensively in savate, even though we wear shoes. Effortless kick and great to stop and opponent, manage distance and throw a large left hook.
I just do it above the knee.
not only that, a normal roundhouse leg kick or calf kick can we checked and you will feel the pain. if someone tries to check this kick you wont get hurt it will just hit their shins.
Hey, has anyone found his other training video on how to eye poke?
It's too difficult to learn fam. You have to learn how to keep your fingers out stretched and then try to make their eyeballs touch their brain.
Lol
good fucking one
I'm actually looking for the one that tells me how to land the elbows to the back of their heads.
All you guys talking shit.. go train ye pack of key board warriors
Yoooooo this man just said give them a Little limp for the rest of there life so sincerely 😂😂
Ice Man savage
Jon jones is honestely the biggest asshole that iv ever seen
@@ycoba12 yeah he is,but this one thing he said is true,you're trying to hurt your opponent and ultimately stop the fight
@@benitodifrancesco7254, to end somebody's fighting career by destroying their knee is a dick move. However, I can't argue the thing the trainer said (paraphrasing): if it's ok to give somebody brain damage, then don't worry about giving him a little limp for the rest of his life.
@@DondeRob yeah, you can't be worried about being nice, it takes away from the sport's violent nature in a way
Now teach us how to take a line...
Edwin Esquivel 😂😂😂
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Order me a dominoes
nah I don't want to learn to oblique kicks. teach me the eyepokoplata
Osama Bin Demetrious 😂😂😂😂😂done
Osama Bin Demetrious 😂😂😂😂
Bruh! 😂😂
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Oh my goodness wtf😂😂😂
Now do one on the eye poke technique....
espada9 lame
@@SimbaM2kufu now the one for the steroid taking technique
Oblique kick. I’ve always called it a push kick. We learnt and taught this back in the eighties in ninjutsu and found it exceptionally effective. One of the best techniques in any arsenal.
From what I understand, the main difference between the push kick and oblique is that with the oblique you're putting the weight of the kick at a downward angle, whereas with the push kick you're pushing the kick forward making your opponent go back.
You are such a sham “push kick” “ninjutsu” in the eighties you definitely went to a mcdojo or this story never existed
Ninjutsu that some Naruto shit🙃
@@boombabitch everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Even if it's one as uninformed as yours.
@@TheGholiday Lol search up what a mcdojo is you were tricked into thinking your school was legit and you were becoming a trained “killer” go do some more research
If im so uninformed why dont you enlighten me and prove me wrong lets start off by giving me the school name
th-cam.com/video/NMiNFh1Rk4s/w-d-xo.html you in the 80s
As a guy with a torn ACL, this move is so painful to watch.
Watch Rousimar perform heel hooks and you'll cringe
Yooooo same
Same maan... Happened to me at age of 8 ... Cant watch any knee injuries at all...
I tore my pcl and I was a grown man on the ground screaming. Worst pain I ever felt. There's no way you can fight. I don't understand why people choose to square up and box when it's a self defense situation.
The Wing Chun oblique kick he uses is so effective, it is what kept him at the top for so long.
Not a muaythai kick, it's a savate kick. A kick like that with shoes would be very effective in self-defense.
Wing chin has a kick like this too. I don’t care where it came from though this kick is boss
אהרון אברמובBro change ur name it’s impossible to reply to you 😂
A kick can be in multiple martial arts.
I think Kung Fu also has a kick like this called Chicken Leg Kick.
@@yaboi-km2qn they act like kicking someone at the knee is something people all over wouldn't think of lmao
This kick is a jewel, especially in a street fight. If done correctly of course.
Indeed. This kick is an extremely great tool. It is good all around too. Probably one of the best defensive techniques out there.
The Wing Chun oblique kick he uses is so effective, it is what kept him at the top for so long.
Stfu nerd you don’t know shit about street fighting.
Jon Jones has a more devastating move that he uses on pregnant Women. He uses a Buick.
Omg I shouldn't have laughed
broootal warp FACTS
Ohhhh OMG
Then he runs!
I guess no ones safe huh? Especially so-called "tuff guys" that dare to step into that octagon against him. He'll systemactically take the starch right-out-their asses each-and-everyone of them
Jones logic: "If they're trying to give me brain damage I should be able to eye poke as well, right?"
Lmfaoooooookik
Neganigma lame
'This mma, we are realistic fighting'
Tbh yeah
Neganigma I mean yeah that’s pretty good logic tbh kill or be killed
that's a kick that Bruce Lee demonstrated in one of the documentary of Bruce Lee's life in the 60's.
That kick originally comes from Savate and it's called "chasse frontal bas"
FRforcing
Bruce combined Savate into his style too so this makes plenty of sense.
if bruce leaf knew anything about fighting he wouldnt have weighted 30 kg
^Wut ?Most stupid thing that I ever read today lmao
^ Thinks action movies are realistic
i'd rather get kicked in the groin than have my career ended by this bullshit
This kick is a muay thai kick. Thai fighter use this kick a lot and they know to check it properly hurting the kicker instead of the blocker
Good Soul no they don't purposely try to blow each others knees out. i think you're thinking of a leg kick or a teep
omgstoptakingnames It's a self defense kick used by smaller opponents when fighting larger opponents in a street fight so they can limp and you have your chance to run.
omgstoptakingnames it is used a lot in muay thai to stop your opponent from coming forward. i know because i was taught in my mauy thai class ;)
AbeDaBabe01
yea you're talking about a teep or a push kick which you use to keep distance, it's generally aimed at the body and not to blow someone's acl out so calm down mr. expert
Damn. This oblique kick looks like it would be really effective for a fighter using a hit and run strategy.
''A even tradeoff to give them a little limp for the rest of their lives''
That shits fucked up yo
I mean it is even trade for brain damage
I mean it is even trade for brain damage
In inside or an outside technique, with a stomping, pushing, or cutting execution depending on the movement of the opponent. Definitely a keeper.
The Wing Chun oblique kick he uses is so effective, it is what kept him at the top for so long.
I've always know this as a shovel kick (JKD) or chasse bas (Savate) but I like the term oblique kick.
The UFC light heavyweight champion and his coach Mike Winkeljohn explain the subtleties of one of the most effective and most controversial moves in MMA.
Fuck that. Take the move out of MMA. It's TRUE design is to attack the knee. It's the same reason chop blocks are illegal in football.
James Law-Davis
***** nehhh, you would have to produce a better argument than that to convince anyone that it should be illegal. not saying your conclusion is wrong, it just doesnt explain anything
lowlowseesee Alright how bout this. Let's use football again. As usual, it's about money:
Tom Brady goes down with a torn ACL from a low hit in a sack. Arguably the most popular quarterback, of one of the most popular teams, was gone for a season. The NFL doesn't want to lose money. Next year, crashing into a quarterback's legs are a 15 yard penalty.
Wait until a star gets his knee broken in a big fight. You think if Jon Jones or Ronda Rousey got her knee broken from such a low-skill, low-class kick, the UFC wouldn't ban that motherfucker the next day? They would.
It's not that the kick is a bad thing, it's that it's bad for the sport, in the grand scheme of things. This is a combat sport. Key word there is "sport". If it were real combat, someone, or both, would die at the end. We want these fighters to be able to continue to fight, because it's unbelivable to watch, and is a beautiful sport. That's why the kick is lame. If someone gets his knee broken just because MMA is a violent sport, that's whatever; but if it's because of a kick DESIGNED (as I allege) to damage the knee, then that's a waste of a talented fighter, and a waste of money for the UFC.
That good enough for you. Let's hear your argument.
***** You have convinced me now so I have no argument. Great work my friend. if you fight in this way I bet you are incredible. thanks for taking the time, it was reasonable, concise and easy to understand your position. I completely agree with you and I learned a few things. thanks again
I used to be critical of the knee push, but when you put it in the aspect of it's a trade-off to the guy giving me brain damage, you really have a valid point! LoL. Bones def keeps guys at bay with his long legs and his knee push, 😆😂 So you have a tiny limp the rest of your life, big deal, SMH, yet laughing too!
very smart of you to demonstrate one of your best moves.
allows you to make a solid argument in favor of its use, and shows class by teaching opponents how to do it.
Is it just me or were those hits to the leg making a pleasant sound when they connected
Nice tutorial. I will just finish my coffee and then I will kick my neighbour in the mouth. Have a nice day everyone :-)
Naw. Kick 'em in the knee, doofus!
I used to be an MMA fighter then I took an oblique kick to the knee
My knees hurt just be watching this.
But if I was in a street fight; elbows and oblique kicks all day long! Whatever saves my life.
Anyone remember this being called the "cup kick" I always wondered why no-one used it in MMA, the first time I remember seeing it in the UFC was Brandon Vera vs Keith Jardine, and I remember Jardines knee getting fucked up with just one, he'd had surgery on that knee as well if I remember, I couldn't believe Vera didn't follow it up and ended up losing the decision.
I think this will only be legal until there is a serious incident.
The first time a major fight is stopped because someone ruins their knee from an oblique kick it will be outlawed in the UFC.
(You can damage limbs with submissions too - but that's a gradual attack that allows the opponent to tap. A strike doesn't)
+BenRangel things is mma rules already have this: "Engaging in any unsportsmanlike conduct that causes injury to an opponent" listed as a foul. it would be pretty easy to say that this kind of kicks (specially if repeated and with clear intent rather than as a push-back) fall in that category. Of course the non-specific nature of the rule does need some clarifications but it'd be pretty easy to interpet it this way (and i bet as you do that they would if something likes that starts happening).
Mikko Finell With subs you have time to tap out. They are designed to make the opponent surrender before being damaged. There is a huge difference between the instant damage of a kick and gradually overextending limbs to make your opponent surrender.
Mikko Finell That's part of the essence of fighting. Getting knocked out is an obvious risk everyone accepts. Getting your knee blown out is an idea that upsets even most fighters.
Knee kicks are not an essential part of fighting, we could easily live without em since only a small number of fighters perform them.
Mikko Finell the difference is a KO does not end your career, a broken knee often does. Of course repeated strikes to the head do damage but it's a risk fighters are willing to take as it only starts to show in the long run if at all (depending on how often you do get ko'd)
Mikko Finell i know, the same points i made still apply. i'm not arguing for anything, mind you, i simply believe that's the reason many people think this should be banned and not other things
Oblique kicks...this is actually known as chasse bas in Savate.
"Chassé italien" / italian push kick
The Wing Chun oblique kick he uses is so effective, it is what kept him at the top for so long. Wing Chun predates savate.
this kick was very useful, thanks Jonny
So glad that I found this on TH-cam this is my bones jones kick. I will master this kick
Learned this doing kung-fu back in the days (light sparring). Always wondered how effective it would be in a real fight. Also wondered about doing it as a jump kick where you would put your whole weight behind it.
step one: Snort Coke
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wether you like him or not or make jokes about eye pokes (which are definitely legitimate lol), in terms of technique and this oblique kick in specific, bones is an absolute expert at it. appreciate the fight school vids!
thefuqm8 dude shut up you have a oh yeah yeah profile picture
@@deitznuts3306 lol now its lil peep with xanax or some shit like that in his mouth
U dumb
The Wing Chun oblique kick he uses is so effective, it is what kept him at the top for so long.
Thanks for the video, VICE SPORTS
Very effective against bigger heavier opponent who keep moving forward, way better than traditional legkick to stop your opponent charge.
Steven Seagal taught him this kick.
Wow really?
I also saw Bruce Lee do it to Chuck Norris if memory serves me correctly.
Pretty cool that it has never been implemented in big-time combat sports
@@TheKickboxingCommunity ur not serious are u homes?
@@thesun564 he did in Way of the Dragon, he added the oblique kick to the choreography
Yeah, Steven Seagal invented this kick in a trip to Asia i heard
@@isaacyeon6334 Correct.
What truly makes this kick effecting is there's no Shuffle necessary to executed it, and by keeping your foot inverted outwards it makes it a very difficult to turn your hip which keeps you bladed to your opponent.
You can actually do this in a fight two or three times and then the third or fourth time you can turn it into a question mark kick and they won’t expect it as you have done the oblique kick two times so they’ll think you’re just doing it again.
That’s the game plan lol. Have them worried about the oblique kick
Oblique kicks are practical and difficult to avoid. Practice it on a bag or with a resistance band to make it faster and more powerful.
The Wing Chun oblique kick he uses is so effective, it is what kept him at the top for so long
Damn I'm already feeling pressure of Jon Jones foot on my knee already and he's no where near me lol.
this shit will be displayed/played in some museum 500 years from now, mark my words
I think this is ethically wrong for MMA...Playing for permanent damage I think is where I draw the line. If it happens then that's unfortunate. If a guy doesn't tap in my armbar and it breaks at the elbow then that's mostly his own fault. They try and stop a fight once a guy get's KO's or rocked good enough, to prevent damage for life. This has made the sport more tangible/marketable as it's less violent then no hold barred type of pit brawls. To injure for life and attempt to do it often in a fight is wrong. My 2 cents.
+Jordan Marshall With that logic then all head strikes should be banned. Just getting hit in the head IS causing permanent damage everytime. And as it accumulates throughout the fighters career, you start seeing the damage. Some are more prone than others of course. Some just get slurred speech...some get parkinsons... This is a sport where its not only your job but your responsibility to avoid damage. The whole body is a weapon and a target. with exceptions like groin areas etc... This will only evolve mma. Fighters will become more creative and better overall. Now just for fun...i take u for a guy who complains in fighting games when someone spams 1 button or 1 move. Instead you could of evolved your own game and became a better player ;)
Once a big star gets their knee blown out and unable to fight ever again MMA will ban this just watch. Only a select few are using this because its so low.
Televising martial arts for money is wrong. It's meant for discipline, protection, health, a plethora of other things, but humanity needs its aggressive streak placated I guess? Let's not water it down more than we have, I'd rather not watch it at all.
James no. You have an outdated idea of MA.
Totally agree, I think it's a great kick from a self defence perspective but no place for it in the ring or octagon.
I have magazine from bruce lee (1967) and he has all this kicks from all the corners! !!so we must to say...thank you bruce!!!
In savate we do it a lot, it's my main kick to be honest. Now I'm training muay Thai and it's Hella difficult not to do it, I'm so used to it, it's a reflex.
It’s a good reflex tho
Muscle memory
Playing soccer helped me with understanding the timing with this kick
Aprendi esse golpe só assistindo e já mandei 3 bullynadores pro hospital com a perna quebrada,obrigado jon jones sensei 🙏
really?
That be a perfect kick for self-defense!
Excellent kick, pretty much performed the way they do it in less sporty version of Savate!
Learned this watching bruce lee always played with it sparring I'm 6.2 I find it is extremely effective with eye contact and deceptive coming from the rear leg! A wonderful strike...in a self defence situation fuck there knee it's there fault lol
Eye contact and hand pawing before is key !
wait, I wanted to see Winklejohn training Jon in his best moves, eye poking and grabbing the fence.
Tony Hilliard um he’s never grabbed the fence
SearcherYellow9 lame
You forgot his best move.. winning
nobody actively tries to inflict brain damage on another person, at least noone in their right minds. to inflict a "limp for the rest of their lives" is the absolute worst mentality to have in something that is,first and foremost, a SPORT
when there is a K.O., there is brain damage already.
you are stupid. MMA is a simulated death match, where the fighters are effectively trying to murder each other. If somebody gets knocked out then that is essentially "I just killed you, if the referee didn't intervene I would have proceeded to kill you when you were unconscious in real life", or if you submit someone in a joint lock, that's the same as death, "I broke your arm, now I can kill you". The purpose in MMA is essentially murder. Any small impact towards the head causes the brain to rattle in the skull causing minor brain damage - even a jab. So MMA by default is guaranteed infliction of brain damage - albeit minor. MMA: Brain damage + body breaking + choking unconscious. Simple as that.
you're superimposition of ethics in this bloodsport is silly. Brain damage or joint destruction - all the same.
xeamus very true, and, although one is trying to, ideally, K.O. the other person, this shouldn't result in permanent, major brain damage, no? (Of course, if it happens very often and regularly you will most definitely see the results.)
just as, of course, taking a few of these "oblique kicks" to the knee won't leave you limping for the rest of your life, i just had to point out that the idea of actively imposing a permanent physical injury on someone in this context, a sport, is wrong
Rames Khan just as you felt qualified, after reading those two sentences that i wrote, to point out that i am stupid, i will assume, by the overly dramatic swivel that you just produced, that you take yourself way too seriously.
you fall under that "at least noone in their right minds" category. i don't know anyone who would "proceed to kill" the opponent if the referee weren't there.
go have a snickers and quit with the fake, superficial beastmode mentality.
Bro I love it 😂 man’s said if you can give me brain damage say goodbye to that leg 😂
Executa com extrema perfeição este golpe!
This is Savate, nothing new.
Awesome. I was scrolling down and it seemed no one picked up that. To clear up, Bruce was inspired by a few savate moves and added them to his arsenal. I think that is the best thing about MMA. You can adopt any technique that is ideal for you body and use it.
MrKerrTV and Jun Fan JKD.
Savate from 1900's < is burrowed it from Wingchun 1800s who borrowed it from Taichi style back in the 1600's from Shaolin 495AD. If we go further back it be from the Spring and Autumn period. The French adopted Savate from their time in South East Asia from numerous different martial arts. Read a book.
It's called a chassé italien / italian push kick.
Called that in Savate / Chausson marseillais (Marseille = very old greek colony BTW).
It comes straight from Antiquity/the dawn of time with wrestling and 'pancrace'.
You do realize european mediterranean Antiquity (Egypt anyone?..) is as old as East-Asian Antiquity, right?@@allenchiu7523
@@allenchiu7523 your life is adisaster
You could either try to win a fight fair or aim to end a fighters career with this kick... dirty move.
Jon Jones has made his whole career on scumbag tactics. Lol
Can you do something along the lines of "jon jones favorite detention locations" or "jon jones favorite juice" now?
Chassé frontal bas is what is this called in Savate. Very versatile technique.
Some fighters want this kick banned. Those fighters should make the move to boxing.
These kicks are dirty... If this is allowed, then head stomps and soccer kicks should be legal as well.
@@thaistomp no one cares if it’s dirty people wanna be entertained that’s what separates boxing and. MMA
It shouldnt be banned but I understand why some fighters do want it banned. It can end someone's career if landed right.
@@thaistomp don't hate the player, hate the game
Tried this in training And i really hurt someone. This guy became so mad that he started to rush at me with high kicks and hard stomps. After training he told me we shouldn't use kicks like these in training.
Don't use these i training,while sparring do then very slowly
yea you definitely dont wanna throw this kick hard unless you're in a real fight. It can seriously injure someone.
yeah definitely don't throw it in training. it's training. blows to the head are expected but intentional ligament damage is a dick move
Thanks Jon! I've been using this to win all my basketball games by 'accidentally' doing to this to the opponent's best player! I was hoping you could share your "range finding" technique because sometimes the other teams shooters are seeing a little too well.
Good reason for the obleck kicks
Who’s here after the Khalil fight
I've done this move for 20 years. I would use it to stop an opponent in there tracks and then a right cross to the jaw.
I’ve ended 3 bullies in my school years with this exact technique. My dad taught it to me. But now that I’m older I think I’d modify it a bit to stop them then takedown.
Exactly.
I’m here after that oblique kick last night very efficient move ima use it
Thanks 🤞🏾
Fights Jon Jones
Contract small print- "i sacrifice my knee ligaments in hopes to get that belt"
ONE OF THE BEST KICKS IN MMA
The Wing Chun oblique kick he uses is so effective, it is what kept him at the top for so long
A lot of people (including Joe Rogan) make the comparison of the oblique kick to a knee bar/heel hook. Well the difference is knee bar/heel hook may give you enough time to tap and avoid permanent damage, the oblique kick will give you permanent damage with no option.
Any thrusting kick utilising the ball or flat heel of the foot for striking is automatically vastly superior to strikes utilising the top of foot or shin due to basic biomechanics.
Wow! Reading these comments about this kick is funny to me because this kick was popular in karate and taekwondo. People said they didn't work and abandon it. Now people are using it and people are wining. Learn to defend it. Kick to the head or knee either way it is combat.
Lol Only wing chun and Savate have the rights to this kick
@@MOSINNAGANTM I'm sure they do. Especially wing chun and there low line kicking. But that is why you see it in Po Eun and Kwang Gae tuls. A lot of instructors don't teach the purpose anymore. Nothing new under the sun for all these arts.
@@RDraGon2179 true tho
@@RDraGon2179 but This Oblique kick is More superior to leg kicks since You only need one kick to the knee unlike low muay thai roundhouses where you need 3-4 kicks
The Wing Chun oblique kick he uses is so effective, it is what kept him at the top for so long
1 this is a career ending injury,
2 Brain damage is a career sustained injury. there's a difference Jones.
Orbis Dux How many people has he ever injured?
Biggy Bwana none that admitted it. don't get me wrong, when he was Coming up in his career, I had so much high hopes for him. but I saw the change in his attitude. it was sad.
From Savateour which occasionally usses oblee kicks in sparrings. Well if you still think that the knee injury is worse than brain damage then look upon Gary Goddridge and Muhamad Ali, these are not career ending injuries but life ending, brain is the most important part of the body, oh or maybe you already have brain damage so you don't get it?
Grappling is the only nobel way of fighting, any striking is animalistic, and thats said by striker, if the game is to rough for you go to wrestling or BJJ or Judo and you will be able do defend yourself even better in streets and won't get brain damage and hits to the head
Biggy Bwana Rampage Jackson said that those kicks specifically fucked his knee and he said he hasn’t been able to fight the same sense.
Who's a better coach Greg Jackson or Mike Winklejohn?
Wish we could have heard more from Jon Jones!
"braimb damage"
Seems like he already has it.
This is worse than kicking someone in the balls in my opinion, that's why it's so awesome
Loved it! I'm a tall guy too
Actually hitting the knee is not that painful if you hit with the sole of the foot and if you don´t do it constantly. It doesn´t hurt at all if you are wearing foot wear. This is considered indeed a dirt move in MMA but you can translate it to a self defense scenario.
I think I speak for allot of people perhaps especially fighters out there when I say I liked Jon Jones up until the point I saw him throw these kicks. In a fight you're there to win you're not out to get your opponent permanent brain damage. Breaking someone's knee and ending their career and ruining their life and the life of their friends and family is not equivalent to knocking someone out and ending the fight like a man, breaking someone's knee would be equivalent to completely ripping someone's ears off. Have you ever even stopped to wonder why almost nobody in the ufc is doing it when it's literally easier than throwing a roundhouse?
+shadepotatoe Fuck no, that's a great kick. Ban kicks to the head then. Have you ever seen someone eat shin to the nose? Or the temple? It's a tough sport.
+achillesculaj95
Fighters can recover from that, usually they're up walking around as
they list the score.
I'm not gonna spoonfeed this to you so I'm just gonna put this bluntly, I
don't want to see mma go through any more bs controversy for some bs
reason just as we left that shit behind us.
*****
False. That is not a fact and I've never heard of or met any of these people. They're surely a minority.
I have nothing against Jones, though I lost some respect. It's the kick I don't approve of.
Your biased point of view doesn't go inline with reality, there is nothing irrational to banning eye poking and knee kicks while saving kneebars and headkicks. If you ever had stepped into a gym or cage yourself you would've understood this.
*****
Permanent Injuries are a risk in every sport.
There's a difference between a permanent injury and a technique meant to cause permanent injury with so exception other than failure.
But 12yearolds like you won't listen to reason so I wont bother anymore, it's a lost cause.
***** If only it was that simple.
Guys, can i kick with my lead leg ? It seem faster and easier to me since it's closer to the opponent lead thigh
+Chris Griffin Try both kicks in front of the mirror and look how your body is positioned before and after the kick and how much time it takes to get back to your stance. I think oblique kick leaves you with much more control of the position, you are not owercommiting with this kick + it's decieving. Basically you shouldn't be turning your back towards your opponent. I'd rush in if youd kick me with your front leg.
Now i want to learn the spinning elbow to the back of the head and the eye poke.
I feel like a good counter to these would be superman jabs coupled with staying light on your front leg. Anyone agree ?
The Eye Poke With Jon "The Crackhead" Jones: Fight School
Everybody hating but the kick is legit
Are you striking with the heal or the ball of your foot?
- why did you just blow my kneecap????!!!
- because you wanted to give me brain damage!!!
- no, dufus, I just came up for an autograph
I am all for keeping this kick in MMA.
Jon Jones is clearly the best fighter out there people cant stand how good he is at finding numerous ways to win a fight all you can say is what hes done outside of ufc but when it comes to it Jon Jones is the G.O.A.T
Ab so fucking loot li
The Wing Chun oblique kick he uses is so effective, it is what kept him at the top for so long.
Gracies do this since always. Enough to watch UFC 1, with Royce or any fight with Rickson
This fucking technique reminds me the first time I saw it on the old movie called: The Karate Kid, one of the Cobra Karate team jumps and gives a kick to knee at the Karate Competition near end of the movie... this Kick reminds every time from the movie the Karate Kid..
You guys call it mix martial arts but you have rules that ban other martial arts move it it's effective that don't say mix martial arts say western combat sport then ......
nah, its a mixed martial art. the banning is imperative to maintain safety. that doesnt negate that its mixed at all
How this mix martial art when almost every one just using bjj mt and box and lots of moves are ban..... It's just a sport created by the western country for entertainment rather then just boring boxing all day long so there's some other form but when people really put in those martial art that can really harm another person like those you learn in the army then it's ban ...... I'm in the army not us that's what they taught it's ment to harm the opponent that's the purpose... It's no longer a combat art when there's rule just a sport change the name to western combat sport......
2323kisame i am aware that moves are banned. also fighters use boxing, judo, muay thai, karate, tkd, catch wrestling, bjj, and more in mma so your claim of bjj mt etc is faulty. however, again, in mma, several martial arts are used as i just listed.... they are mixed together. there is no getting around that. i know you find it hard because you have some bias to the army and dont like that MMA is new and you are stuck in the past with your dogmatic ideas. whatever. banned moves dont negate the fact that mma is sport that involves combatants who MIX different forms of martial arts. sorry man, time to face reality. there are millions of people that know MMA is actually a martial arts and a delivery system and a sport and a combat art. simple facts man. those are not mutually exclusive, MMA is all those things.
theres other guys in the army who work along side with me who also join mma on thier free time notting wrong with that time to time we would have friendly spar of course there has to have rules because its just a friendly match among friends just for fun but we dont just use those wonderful arts you mention of course its a great art but we use other arts too that we dont see being use in mma for example silat wing chun jkd taichi krav maga savate and many other more arts most of the if its truely mix martial arts then no rules and all arts should be allow as it is a paid fight not a friendly match between friends your paid to beat another person thats your job using mix martial arts ....
2323kisame you still havent shown where mma is not considered mixed just because there are arts that exist that you dont see. if you choose, and obviously you do, to believe that mma is not mixed because we dont see ninjitsu or silat etc thats fine. but again if you want to adhere to reality, the reality is that combatants are using a mixture of many martial arts in the cage. Your argument keeps moving because its baseless. for instance, it has moved from mma has rules so it cant be mixed, then you moved it to the idea that because there are some arts missing that its not mixed. thats not reasonable at all. i wonder where your real bias rest. are you one of these guys who are obsessed with traditional martial arts or something?
Jon Jones is without doubt the best MMA fighter in the world. I also genuinely wonder if he is a sociopath.
I’m 90% sure he’s a sociopath. Pisses me off because he’s such an amazing fighter but such an arsehole
@@mrrandomlol100 maybe thats why he is so good
he'll definitley teach u how to give a man a little limp for the rest of his life
That move is awesome on the street, especially taking into consideration that you are not barefoot and can also aim for the knee directly. The first time I saw this move was from a guy that trained police special forces
Reminds me of a Pisão kick that Royce used in the first ufc's
Great for short guys too.
Don't go inventing hot water - this is savate kick called "chasse bas", Jones should have given a credit where credit is due.
+Srdjan Teofilovic This kick exists in every martial art that allows kicking to the legs. So I guess, hear your own advice about inventing hot water.
and you are absolutely positive - bear in mind that presupposes that you possess the knowledge of every martial art that has existed since the dawn of mankind?
In karate, hmm, no. In taekwondo, nope. In Muay Thai, no. In kung fu, perhaps as there are zilllion styles. In Savate, definitely, documented since 1836.
+Srdjan Teofilovic yeah, because as we all know in karate and taekwondo competitions you can kick the legs...oh wait you can't (except kyoukushin rules ofc). In fact this kick is simply does exist in karate, for example (by the way there are possibly as many karate styles as kung-fu ones, though it's true that they usually share a common base.)
Truth is, human body is capable of limited movements, specially if we're talking kicks, and we've had thousands of years to come up with basically all of them, so this whole argument is basically pointless...probably all standup martial arts actually have this kick, just like for any other move you might come up with. However since time is limited every style focuses on some moves at the expense of others, so in my opinion the only logical thing would be to "credit" a move (if at all) to the art that focuses on it the most. And in this case, it's probably wing chun (and partly JKD which draws a lot from it) where it's possibly the most common kick. Now i don't know savate well enough to be sure, but i don't recall this being their bread and butter, go-to kick, correct me if i'm wrong here.
Ofc if we're talking fighting sports, most don't teach it, for the simple reason that it's not legal in most international rulesets and a top level competitor has no time for banned moves. Hell, even in judo tecniques not allowed in olympic style sparring (there are some, yes) are barely practiced if at all, often enough - and don't let me get started on olympic taekwondo which probably uses 5% of what's actually in taekwondo (yes it does have punches, a huge lot of open hand strikes...EVEN knees and elbows because people are not stupid ofc they know they can hit with them).
+wrathVchild
Wrong
This kick was made famous by Bruce Lee for those who actually know about martial arts.
Im not a striker so please excuse me if my question is dumb....but im trying to understand....is he using his heel or ball of the foot to deliver the blow....or is it the flat part of his foot....or does it make no difference???
You can defend against this with a simple muay thai check (lift your front leg up a few inches).
You've obviously never been in a real fight before. You're smashing bone against bone man. You're not going to come out unharmed
During Muay Thai sparring, I always use this kick with a front leg side kick or the way Jon uses it, with his right leg from an orthodox stance. And trust me, I've gotten really good with this kick and no one has ever been able to check mine. You just slip in and out. Trust me, if you receive one of these during sparring or in a real fight, you won't see it coming if it is a skilled person throwing it.
Kaizen Life ...why don´t you show us doing it succesfully in one of your fights, oh I forgot, you´ve got none XD
Move it up a few inches, and you might end up with a dislocated knee, depending on how the kick is thrown.