99% of these tennis instruction videos are b/n laughably wrong and insane. this is the first time i’ve seen almost everyone call bs. i’m relieved and grateful. ❤
@@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220 i share your wistful naïveté! two problems: (1) these days you can get attacked online if you say something absolutely clearly true. there is so much anger out there now a desire to fight drives this process, as never before. (2) we can’t derive falsity from an ensuing argument; people can argue in good faith about anything worth discussing. beyond true and false there is the more interesting world of things “worth discussing” without conclusive right/wrong. hence ethics, etc. but i like how you approached this, it’s hopeful in its way.
I can do both carve around the ball and pronate on slice. Carving around the ball gives a lot more slice and crazy angles on the slice but takes away pace. Pronation slice gives more pace and less slice. Both can be used to increase variety. Change of pace and different spins is key to playing clever tennis
You don't carve your strings the strings face left while aiming the edge at 3 o'clock the pronation happens after so you don't tear your shoulder off and finish your hips left there is no carving it's a bad analogy. Just watch federer for every serve because he was the best server, and there is so much slow motion video of him.
It is a slice serve...the ball is moving right to left...hence makes it a slice!!! Theres so many variations of a slice. If theres levels of how much it slices this like 3/10! My slice moves like 5-10 ft this milos slice not so much!!!
Depends where they contact and what spin/speed they want. This is a faster speed serve, the slower ones have time for the spin to act on the ball in the air and curve it
@Chris If you enter Raonic slice serve slow motion there is an excellent video showing more of a power slice or out wide kick but you don't see him do too much slice because he has a awesome wide serve because of height and power.
Thanks a lot. Many players, of course no professional, think that you have to curve around the Ball which is completely wrong. Here we can see how it is done, with pronation and doing the exact opposite of what the amateur player thinks.
People on these comment sections are defo novices at tennis. If you hit a slice down the T it will curve into the opponents body and thats what happened and won the point
@@saccount8009 Let me enlighten you if you are new to tennis. Every serve has a slice and top spin but the "slice serve" we know commonly is served to put opponent out wide in deuce court and that has huge side spin and little top spin. This serve is an accidental slice serve on T not intentional. No professional player does this.
@@talesara74 lol ive seen lots of players do this and even i do it. Its an easy consistent serve to jam the opponent up. Bro thinks im new to tennis when hes the one thats new just finding out a simple tactic
One - this is not a slice serve. Two - when serving with a continental grip do not think about pronation. Just use a natural throwing motion. Seen overthinking wrist positions wreck many a good serve.
I think the angry ppl here can’t understand that you can hit a slice, kick, or flat serve anywhere in the box. Slice moves left, kick moves right, flat goes straight on the start line. Watch the slow-mo on his wide slice serve and you’ll see the same pronation. Or call me an idiot…I don’t care.
I have a question.... Are we supposed to ignored all the un-necessary movements that he has on his serve? And as it was said that is not a true slice serve
Looks like a kick pronation but the contact point was more 3 o clock than 7 to 2. I could be seeing it wrong but it doesn’t look to slice as much here.
Wouldn't trust anything from Patrick M involving slice. 🤣 Tsitsipas might have a few GS titles if Patrick M's academy had taught him properly. Of course, being somewhat incompetent in technique in a few shots and still at the top of the game speaks to how crazy talented Tsitsipas actually is overall.
Okay that is good analysis but can you do it for tsitsipas, Nadal and you will find they hit ball at the same spot but their racquet behave differently after hitting the ball. So not everyone can hit with same technique and can play at very good level with their orthodox play.
This is a pretty flat serve straight down the T. A slice serve would go out wide, which it didnt. You are right that it pronated though. He is a top ten server of all time. He is a monster on court. Not just his body but his game.
Those words nothing to me, regrettably. I have no understanding of how to connect them to reality. I think I struggle with the comprehension of tennis instructions sometimes
He doesn't explain it, and it's just one way of doing it, so not a requirement, but that finger placement allows some players to more easily point the racket to the right side fence in the half serve position, facilitating the right to left elbow hinge, so by the time the racket gets to the trophy pose position there is no need for the finger to be up there, hence why Milos transitions it into a more normal grip position at that point.
But how do ya throw the fucking ball up and time it up to just clear the net to land in the service box w power. I toss girly short tosses and slow serves simply bc if I swing hard I can't get it to land in the box...tennis sucks. Also I've never had lessons so ehhh 🤷
@@tylerpoe5655 wrong. A serve can't be a kick serve and flat at the same time. A kick serve can have allot of pace, but pace doesn't mean it's flat. Kick serve are called that because the amount of kick/bounce/spin launches it up higher. Not based off it's pace. You can have 2 balls of the same speed. One is kick serve and one is flat.
Concentrate on relaxation and "hamering" the ball, opening up your racket at the last moment. Telling people to focus on mronation is a terrible advice, pronation like this comes from relaxation and the fact that the racket comes to the ball side-faced, opening up at the last moment.
99% of these tennis instruction videos are b/n laughably wrong and insane. this is the first time i’ve seen almost everyone call bs. i’m relieved and grateful. ❤
It doesn't really matter if it's the wrong as long as everybody comments on it. If it was right it wouldn't get as many comments for sure
@@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220 i share your wistful naïveté! two problems: (1) these days you can get attacked online if you say something absolutely clearly true. there is so much anger out there now a desire to fight drives this process, as never before. (2) we can’t derive falsity from an ensuing argument; people can argue in good faith about anything worth discussing. beyond true and false there is the more interesting world of things “worth discussing” without conclusive right/wrong. hence ethics, etc. but i like how you approached this, it’s hopeful in its way.
Yes, its like they play a little tennis and think there instructors. Anyone who knows anything about tennis knows this guy is clueless.
I can do both carve around the ball and pronate on slice. Carving around the ball gives a lot more slice and crazy angles on the slice but takes away pace. Pronation slice gives more pace and less slice. Both can be used to increase variety. Change of pace and different spins is key to playing clever tennis
Jj wolf carves around the ball for crazy slice but less speed
You don't carve your strings the strings face left while aiming the edge at 3 o'clock the pronation happens after so you don't tear your shoulder off and finish your hips left there is no carving it's a bad analogy. Just watch federer for every serve because he was the best server, and there is so much slow motion video of him.
Thats not a slice serve, dude.
I guess if you have a slight British or Australian accent, you sound legit. This guy doesn't have a clue about tennis.
It is a slice serve...the ball is moving right to left...hence makes it a slice!!! Theres so many variations of a slice. If theres levels of how much it slices this like 3/10! My slice moves like 5-10 ft this milos slice not so much!!!
@@minisurfbanana No, if he is doing a real slice serve, it lands on the side line. This was meant as a flat serve. He just didnt got it 100% flat.
@@Yardehardedarthere is such thing as a slice into the body serve
@@minisurfbananait’s a kick serve. Gives the ball quite a different effect from a slice serve.
So he slices it nice and slow straight to the hitting zone.
That’s a body serve. Tucked him up nicely.
almost zero slice I have no idea what he is looking at here .
It looks like a kick serve to me. Correct me if m wrong
He sliced it into his body and worked well jamming the opponents 2 handed backhand and won the point
I"m not sure I'd call that maximum slice though. I've seen bigger swings (curves). Much bigger.
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Depends where they contact and what spin/speed they want. This is a faster speed serve, the slower ones have time for the spin to act on the ball in the air and curve it
He's not slicing on this serve, he's pronating...
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That's a flat serve very little slice.
Yeah, I agree. The pronation indicates a flat serve.
@Chris If you enter Raonic slice serve slow motion there is an excellent video showing more of a power slice or out wide kick but you don't see him do too much slice because he has a awesome wide serve because of height and power.
Thanks a lot. Many players, of course no professional, think that you have to curve around the Ball which is completely wrong. Here we can see how it is done, with pronation and doing the exact opposite of what the amateur player thinks.
Slice serve hittin T....are u on drungs
Why wouldn't a slice hit the t ?
Do it all the time!!!
People on these comment sections are defo novices at tennis. If you hit a slice down the T it will curve into the opponents body and thats what happened and won the point
@@saccount8009 Let me enlighten you if you are new to tennis. Every serve has a slice and top spin but the "slice serve" we know commonly is served to put opponent out wide in deuce court and that has huge side spin and little top spin. This serve is an accidental slice serve on T not intentional. No professional player does this.
@@talesara74 lol ive seen lots of players do this and even i do it. Its an easy consistent serve to jam the opponent up. Bro thinks im new to tennis when hes the one thats new just finding out a simple tactic
One - this is not a slice serve. Two - when serving with a continental grip do not think about pronation. Just use a natural throwing motion. Seen overthinking wrist positions wreck many a good serve.
So what would pronation be used best for, kick serve? And what grip would you recommend for that
I think the angry ppl here can’t understand that you can hit a slice, kick, or flat serve anywhere in the box. Slice moves left, kick moves right, flat goes straight on the start line. Watch the slow-mo on his wide slice serve and you’ll see the same pronation. Or call me an idiot…I don’t care.
Only problem is, it’s a flat serve down the middle… 🤔
😂😅 correct
I tot it was a kick serve
Whatever happened to Milos? Haven’t seen him in awhile.
dead
Injuries
The carving around works aswell, if you do it right
Can't wait to see your kick serve video. Subscribed!
He was a good player and should have won a lot
That ball kickee
I don't even play tennis but I was entertained
Flat T serve bro
Great review
Thank God that the overly-serve reliant game of yesteryear was killed off by the superior generation.
that finger slide though. Magic digit
This is not what I would call a slice serve. Why do you consider this slice?
Boom flat ball down the line when he returns, flat ball inside out to his forehand, if he returns volley it in, and point
Why would he serve a slice at the T...??🤔😒
This looks like just a normal serve to me.
Looks like he was slice body. But miss it too much to the T.
I have a question.... Are we supposed to ignored all the un-necessary movements that he has on his serve? And as it was said that is not a true slice serve
Did Raonic disappear from the earth?
Yeah until this short, I totally forgot about this gun! Where is he? What’s he doing?
He's making a come back 2023 prior injuries.
It’s not a slice serve. More kick than slice
Looks like a kick pronation but the contact point was more 3 o clock than 7 to 2. I could be seeing it wrong but it doesn’t look to slice as much here.
Contact point for a kick serve is over the head, not out to the right as is pictured here
Dude that's 100% a slice serve lmao
@@gpet-dr2bs haha 300%. not sure what that guy is seeing here.
Very good analysis Joel. 👏👍🎾🎾🎾 Patrick M teaches carve around the ball, I believe this way is better.
Wouldn't trust anything from Patrick M involving slice. 🤣
Tsitsipas might have a few GS titles if Patrick M's academy had taught him properly. Of course, being somewhat incompetent in technique in a few shots and still at the top of the game speaks to how crazy talented Tsitsipas actually is overall.
Pode sacar com slice com uma raquete de Tênis Babolat pure aero ?
Thank you for this analyse. Interesting 👍
This isn’t a slice serve 😂
To do a good slice serve do a kick serve instead. 🤔
Okay that is good analysis but can you do it for tsitsipas, Nadal and you will find they hit ball at the same spot but their racquet behave differently after hitting the ball. So not everyone can hit with same technique and can play at very good level with their orthodox play.
How is this a slice serve ??
It also helps to be 6'5"
Kick slice
This is a pretty flat serve straight down the T. A slice serve would go out wide, which it didnt. You are right that it pronated though. He is a top ten server of all time. He is a monster on court. Not just his body but his game.
Those words nothing to me, regrettably. I have no understanding of how to connect them to reality. I think I struggle with the comprehension of tennis instructions sometimes
i think this is wrong anyway, this is more a flat serve it has little curve
Is that a slice or kick
Slice
No it’s a kick
It's a slice. If you watch closely at the end of the video, when the ball bounces, it jumps to the left. Kick will jump the opposite way.
That is not a slice serve, fairly flat, maybe even a little topspin.
What happened to him?
Oh dear, this isn't a slice serve. What you're referencing is pronation of the arm.
Man are people still talking about Raonic?
Yeah this is a type of kick...
The pronation
Wouldn't that be because he's disguising his slice ?
2m that all
Keep an eye on his finger which does nothing whatsoever.
He doesn't explain it, and it's just one way of doing it, so not a requirement, but that finger placement allows some players to more easily point the racket to the right side fence in the half serve position, facilitating the right to left elbow hinge, so by the time the racket gets to the trophy pose position there is no need for the finger to be up there, hence why Milos transitions it into a more normal grip position at that point.
Im the one who thought they carve around the ball….
Lol that’s not a slice… it’s flat. Do you even play tennis.
This is a good serve but it is not a good SLICE serve
But how do ya throw the fucking ball up and time it up to just clear the net to land in the service box w power. I toss girly short tosses and slow serves simply bc if I swing hard I can't get it to land in the box...tennis sucks. Also I've never had lessons so ehhh 🤷
I don’t understand why people that no nothing about tennis feel the need to make videos like this.
Its actually just a wide serve not a slice serve
Normal
First
Serve!!!
Its not a slice
Mate!!! 😂 see the bounce!!!
So what is the purpose of this. Next you can slow the video of the earth's rotation and explain the details to us
That's a flat kick...not a slice.
Flat kick? Boy your tennis iq is zero
@@blackspiderman1887 lol flat/kick hybrid serve. Also known as a fast kick
@@tylerpoe5655 wrong. A serve can't be a kick serve and flat at the same time. A kick serve can have allot of pace, but pace doesn't mean it's flat. Kick serve are called that because the amount of kick/bounce/spin launches it up higher. Not based off it's pace. You can have 2 balls of the same speed. One is kick serve and one is flat.
@@blackspiderman1887 lol okay dude. Think what you want
Dafuq is a flat kick 🤣
Concentrate on relaxation and "hamering" the ball, opening up your racket at the last moment. Telling people to focus on mronation is a terrible advice, pronation like this comes from relaxation and the fact that the racket comes to the ball side-faced, opening up at the last moment.
That‘s not a slice
I wish Milos would come out as gay
Why?
Haha like how you said he’s famous for index finger. Well said
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He kick serve T ,NO SLICE
Not slice tho…
Not a slice serve. 🤦♂️
Flat serve
Dude, wtf
Thats a flat serve
Bs
this guy knows nothing about tennis lmao
Disagree with this myself
Man . Stop pretending you r expert ! It’s so damn wrong !!!