Peace Talks DERAILS Into HEATED Race Realism Debate
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Date: 10 Sep, 2022
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Hi.
Have you ever read "The Blank Slate" by Pinker?
I was just watching the vod for this. Thanks for the upload!
@@powercore2000 iiiiuiiiii t shirt and again I won't be true to the the severe person to the office and again I think It won't be able to the office again I think I won't
One major question is, WHAT IS RACE? What is black? What is white? Especially in USA. Are these IQ tests regional? Who created these IQ tests and where were they administered to get the data on the different races?
Destiny you call him bad faith, which is often true, but I never heard you once admit that destiny is a girl's name.
This meme will never not be funny because I genuinely thought you were seriously thinking that destiny isn’t a girls name
It is
This meme is getting old
Love this joke
Amazin
These debates are way better than 5 people who kinda agree on something debating
You're why humanity sucks.
@@Ryfinius and you’re why destiny’s community gets a bad wrap.
@@coochieman2837 lol
@@coochieman2837 how so?
@@coochieman2837 you're
Is Nick engaging in a no-true-groyper fallacy?
all these neo-groypers giving the race a bad name man
More of a cult leader mentality, in my opinion
Calling big tech a groyper is like calling Ethan Ralph or Alt hype one.
@@brucegilbert625 Ethan Ralph is definitely a groyper lmao
@@TheDolphinTuna lmao an agnostic that has a child out of wedlock, married and divorced a Pakistani woman and has Richard Spencer on his show constantly is definitely not a groyper.
Spencer and Nick hate each other. Ralph isn’t even very political. He’s right wing but doesn’t really care about race realism or Christianity. He came from gamergate. Nick and him like each other but they’re really not that close.
Nick fuentes + Destiny content is better than anything on TV
Yeah it’s ultimate anime battle. Two most charismatic debaters on inet
I can’t believe you made me wait a whole day for this epic conclusion. I was so mad at that cliff hanger.
You could have watched the replay of his live stream
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These Fuentes convos keep on getting better because they have both perfectly balanced love hate and pure spite
Beautiful.
Perfectly balanced...as all things should be...
Its pretty funny both Nick and Destiny have been screwed over by so many prior relationships they are so paranoid.
Destiny gets screwed over in his marriage on a regular basis
The besties clashed in a heated debate 😔
idk why Nick doesn't just say "I'll concede this wasn't explicitly bad faith if you concede that it was an irresponsible way to introduce my thoughts and myself to people I don't know"
The Trump style of debate of giving no ground works on a stage, but not in an argument between (bestest) friends
Well it is more difficult when one person is a lunatic.
Because he’s stubborn and dishonest, obviously. And potentially his brain has simply been broken by being a “content creator”
Gay gay
I thought it was funny how Fuentes pulled a trump by just throwing a person he signed off under the bus instead of taking responsibility and/or taking actions to resolve problems in his platform.
@@tandaiff422 I mean sure, he signed off on the guy being on his platform, but it's not like he necessarily knew when he signed off that this guy was going try to get people deplatformed. He's not very good at communicating the things he believes or what he means in many cases.
the level of nasal in both of their voices sure is something
Nick and Destiny are the equivalent of an un moveable object meeting and unstoppable force.
*Immovable
@@zeedom5848 Yours Truly,
Grammar 🐷
Nick is a phony grifter. I don’t see anything powerful coming from him at all
" I think you and I are destined to do this forever."
@@zeedom5848 wasn’t nerd shit not funny
I was gonna go to bed, and then August came through at the last minute to fuck my sleep schedule. Beautiful.
August? Huh?
Go to sleep
@@Bugdeek entanglement with August
@@Bugdeek Destiny's editor
@@Bugdeek August is Destiny's editor.
"Peace Talks DERAILS Into HEATED Race Realism Debate"
That's like half of the arguments on the internet.
Okay but you're [insert race here] so you're wrong.
Finally
"The problem with holding me accountable for what I say, is that sometimes, I just say shit" - Nicholas J Fuentes
based
That doesn’t apply in this situation
Isn’t that true for everyone though 😂
"Why am I bring asked to take responsibility for my son's actions? I can barely take responsibility for my own actions!"
@Jonah E Bro I love Nick, that's just funny as fuck.
Let me summarize this:
"We don't trust each other so we have to purity test each other."
Both are literally having the same doubts
Yes
Except the dishonesty is extremely one sided
@@ludvig3242 Ok Destiny
@@aeternavictrix7861 Do you think it's equal?
And that's love Fabian.
"Destiny you draw an ideological conclusion."
"What's my conclusion?"
"Your conclusion is race realists have drawn a conclusion."
This man serious?
Nick was being bad faith that entire conversation, he couldn't accurately summarize a single point that he listened to. It's like the words went in one ear and out the other, and then he threw something Destiny never said back at him. I get why I hate listening to this smarmy weirdo so much now and it's because Nick argues exactly like Vaush does.
@@amazin7006 You are completely wrong, didn’t even make a valid point.
@@godsstrength7129 Nick strawmans Destiny multiple times in this video. Pull the meat out of your throat buddy
Half way through I realized I was watching two bisexual men argue about friendship. 🤮
My new favorite anime
It's less gay for Nick, as destiny is a girls name.
@@LunarLocust 😂
Nick smoked destiny
Cornball
Destiny is a black womans name
"And I'm sorry I don't have exact statistics on women in hair metal bands!"
"Well, you should be."
The bant
Why criticize Nick for his view that racial disparities in IQ are genetically determined when you acknowledge that this may be true and you haven’t done enough research to come to a definitive conclusion on that question?
Nah that Trainwreck debate was legendary tho
Fax
the relationship between you and Nick is one of the greatest internet things that exists. :)
Nick Fuentes has about as good a chance converting Destiny into becoming a groyper as Melina has of converting Nick into being straight.
Stop projecting.
glad people still use degeneracy as an insult
@@jackdaw6359 the insult is more that it's clear to anyone that has experience with people that are gay (even before they ever acted upon it, sometimes before they admitted it to themselves) that nick is gay. It's his nature, and he is denying it. That's the insulting part.
@@nomoresunforever3695 cringe
@@nomoresunforever3695 I don't pretend to know the mind of Nick or anyone. He seems more incel type. And although incels definitely won't be marrying any time soon I highly doubt that they are gay just because they hate women.
Nicks so right, destiny and mr girl are both objectively girls names
As another male Nick, I'm comfortable saying that Nick is more of a girl's name than Mr. Girl, primarily due to the "Mr." part. But, Destiny is definitely a girl's name, as was revealed by the most entertaining Peterson on the Internet, Jesse Lee Harvey Oswald Peterson.
@@nrein89 transexuals dont count. so as a male, your name is indeed more of a girl ,and thus all other opinions of you that other peoples name is girl is made up out of nothing. so yeah you got nothing, while the rest does. its like a transexual stripper destiny is the name, so s mr girl.
i guess neo nazis like you can relate
I'm from Pakistan and i dare to admit that race realism is real. Humans can have all kind of variety in colour, stature, physical strength but everyone has the same intelligence??? Variety within a specie is the fodder for natural selection to cull out the disadvantaged one's. However , human evolution has graduated from the natural selection to active upgradation by human body by humans themselves, future humans will incorporate electronics and mechanical systems in the very organic human body.
Now, humans should not left anyone behind, we shouldn't be left to the cruel mechanitions of natural selection.
STERILISATION IS WRONG.
Mahatma Gandhi thought black people were an inferior race.
@@virtualpilgrim8645based Ghandi
I LOVE listening to these two talk. I sincerely think listening to these two talk TOGETHER can help A LOT of people. Help them make better sense of their own thoughts, help them learn how to be critical, facilitate their de-radicalization. These two together is good for the space
Ones literally a nazi.
I dont think theres many radicals who follow destiny especially considering almost nothing destiny believes in is radical
@@Twister-V1 there's literally white nationalists and nazis in destiny's youtube community since he started buttfucking Fuentes and simping for Southern
@@Twister-V1 as a radical, I agree. I don't really follow Destiny or Nick, but I enjoy listening to different opinions.
groyper psyop
I feel like Nick still understands Destiny's views better than Mr Girl, and that's saying a LOT
Destiny, when you read comments like this, do you see what mrgirl was saying?
@@molewizard I'm not Destiny tho, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't read the youtube comments on his videos(and especially not replies to youtube comments). I've only seen him read reddit posts, twitter posts, and stream chat messages.
@@WanderTheNomad I know. I'm just hoping.
@@molewizard i don't see how this comment relates to anything Mr Girl has said?
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The frenemy arc here is amazing!
Here before all the Destiny is a Girl's name memes.
So much better than irresponsibly platforming Lav. :)
What's the difference between Lav and Nick? They're both boring racists
its like watching magneto and professor x in real time...
thank you for the content
Who's magneto? Remember magneto is a Jew I highly doubt nick is magneto not professor x lol.
Ahh yes, the famous pairing of a holocaust survivor who's ideology is ment to be a reflection of Malcom X, the black liberation leader and the super progressive and inclusive professor based on MLK.
Yeah...nah...neither of these twits fit those mantles chief.
@@cngotham4111 is that why he wanted to control the world so much?
Jk jk
@@valenci3069 coward
Sigh its 1:30am about to go to bed and i get a destiny notification
Just as we thought Destiny was maybe making progress with Nick after their face to face meetings and having meal together, the Cold War was reignited.
Their friendship is so heartwarming.
The notion that Nick Fuentes is not a white supremacist is really splitting hairs.
No not at all. He isn't even White. He's Latino. You're a bigot.
Who says he isn’t? It’s common sense. The Asians are alright they’re just different- and most of them want to stay in their own countries.
the disconnect is nick thinks what’s “bad faith” is destiny inherently trying to make Nick look bad, whereas destiny understands it as outwardly lying or misrepresenting someone and their positions, which Nick would say he’s doing, but can’t be true if Destiny LEGITIMATELY believes he said the dog thing on the call which is evident since he was asking for everyone to listen to it… I don’t know how neither one of them sees this lmao
Bruh it doesn’t matter if he tells people to listen to it, he already got the big reaction from everyone on the panel. Plus he probably wouldn’t have said to listen to it if Nick didn’t push back and say that destiny was misrepresenting it.
He knew either way it would make Nick look bad and asked to hear it to excuse himself from the accusation of misrepresentation. He is not a principled person
Nick screaming “can I finish my fucking point” after ten straight minutes of talking in circles is driving me to drink
Will you twerk on my unit after you’re done with the drinks?
🥂
It's not worth it put the glass down friend.
Drink more pls
@@william4996 gay
I just keep thinking back to when Destiny said one of the groypers said that you made Nick seem more human. Because now he just sounds like the politicians he rallies against with the non answers, talking long so we forget what the original question was etc...
@01:08:30 Guitars actually used to be considered feminine instruments because they’re much smaller and easier to hold. Back when classical music was popular, men gravitated towards piano and other large instruments. Women were pushed towards guitars because it allowed them to play music without “compromising their femininity”. Guitar-playing *became* masculinized and marketed towards men in the 20th century when it became too expensive and impractical to own a piano. And of course, media centered around male rock stars, which further aligned the guitar with men. So, young boys eventually dominated the activity. Conversely, piano became more feminized. Violin still seems to be more gender neutral, but I see a lot of girls playing that instrument too. Long story short, a lot of these things are due to socialization, media, and economic coincidence.
I think the debate at the end was important. We need to let the social equity policies need to play themselves out in order to prove that it's not some other factor. The problem is that those vehicles responsible themselves hold economic power, which is always prone to corruption. There needs to be a closer eye on these particular policies and their executive bodies (BLM, various gov orgs) in order for things to play out as intended.
42:08 I thought he started barking, I was so confused.
Deplatforming is such a serious issue that one must deplatform if another attempts to deplatform.
When in Rome...
MAD doctrine
When in @@deeznutz8320 ...
As a student of statistics, I had some Vietnam flashbacks thé moment he talked about bayesian statistics
Right in my FEEEEEEEED!!!!
You cannot hate on Nick Fuentes they make up a story about him that he's some sort of an extreme ultra right wing neo-Nazi conservative and Steven is somehow the morally superior person.
He is that, there’s no lie or story
@@patrickfinnie8076sure call him whatever but he is making the better argument and destiny is being bad faith because he is shilling for the establishment. Yeah. What if people who look different ARE different? Like what if that’s true and we are militantly pursuing racial equity? Doesn’t that matter? Of course it does. In fact it’s critical that you know that. It’s literally the most important thing for you to know. If you believe that 2 ppl should be able to equally walk one mile, then you sure as sh-it need to know if one of them has polio, otherwise you are going to turn the world upside down trying to make that person walk one mile.
Other countries are not afraid of race realism. It it our legacy or the legacy of the Nazis that has scared us into submission to wokeness? Are we actively defying our own best interests out of some misplaced sense of virtue ? We are. We are doing that. We are knowingly pursuing bad policy because of what we consider the optics of being woke.
@@MarioEstevez-re1us I don’t care about other countries I’m an American, if you’re scared of brown people then move my dude
@@patrickfinnie8076 I think you misunderstood. the only thing I’m afraid of is spiders. what I meant was they are inferior to white people lol yeah my bad maybe my language before was confusing
@@MarioEstevez-re1usthere are less differences between different species of animals than there are different “races” of humans.
They’re not races, they’re different species.
Most of Africa hadn’t invented the wheel when slavery started in the 1600s. A lot of Africa still hasn’t.
Yet look at the wonders of white European and Asian civilizations for thousands of years…
It’s common sense.
The Nick and Destiny saga continues
Not blaming you just holding you accountable for your following lol.
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The Polgar sisters tell me the exact opposite of Destiny. Of the millions and millions of women that learn chess and the 10s of thousands that have coaching or join chess clubs (hundreds of thousands), the two that became the best female players were sisters. That's an incredibly strong genetic argument
Least surprising outcome of this cute but toxic couple 💑
I love these destiny and nick debatish convos, they are on a similar level intelectually but have totally opposing views and they are not afraid to engage despite their "friendship". Would love to see them have a show like "crossfire" together. And they have good chemistry and are entertaining to listen to.
Putting nick and destiny on the same intellectual level is fucking laughable but I agree they both engage well
@@brucebanner1638 Why not? I agree with destiny on most issues, but nick holds his positions pretty well, and does a good job od defending an argument. They mostly even argue to the point they run out of arguments, and that is why it is so good to watch them because you get a better insight in conservative point of view.
@@peepeepoopoo2749 and destiny is much more mature than nick is, that is why perhaps he appears more serious, nick always jokes around.
@@peepeepoopoo2749 but nick is an eccentric genius prodigy and destiny is a bisexual career twitch streamer in an open relationship. nick actually has more political experience than steven, who is just some old gamer guy, whereas nick has his own political movement and streaming service despite being targeted by the feds, megacorps, and three letter organizations for his beliefs.
@@peepeepoopoo2749 right, destiny has been at it a decade longer and Nick’s already on his level
Let the blood bath begin
1:11:40
There are *HUNDREDS* of genes that control height not ONE, each with a tiny effect size on the overall final phenotype (in that case adult height) How do we know? GWAS and Mendelian randomization.
Height is highly genetic.
There are just as large differences in height within races though
@@natem.6280 To use Bayesian probability as destiny says(lol) you could say that with a good probability that if u picked out 100 people from Europe and 100 People from Asia, 10 times, The europans would be taller Most of the time. I mean some one would have to do the experiment but 8/10?
Also the question was that is height ad polygenetic as iq, and yes it is. It seems like its highly cannot be alternated. The difference between races are more concentrated on the average, a lower end European will NOT be as short as a loeer end Asian.
@@Ufhhh12 bro Uriah hall sucks and so does all of 185.
@@Ufhhh12 this stuff is so self evident that the only reason people deny it is because they don’t like the conclusions or how it makes you feel.
If IQ is the best predictor of success in an individual’s life then the average IQ of a nation would also track with the nation’s success. If IQ’s were not heritable and were random then all races would have the same IQ’s. Therefore IQ’s cannot be random because different Nation’s have different IQ’s. Because it’s not random it must be caused by something and the only two options are heredity and environment.
Multiracial countries show that given similar environments different races perform differently which suggests it’s mostly genetic.
Genetics probably give people their IQ ceiling and their environment determines if they reach their potential.
@@brucegilbert625 This completely ignores environmental factors
That chess girls anecdote soooo stupid. THEY HAVE THEIR FATHERS GENES
The phone call tactic Destiny did is the same thing mainstream media does. Front page has an outrageous story to illicit an emotional response, then the next issue has the redaction in small print on page 20. Destiny got what he wanted by misrepresented what Nick said then he can also cover his tracks by says "oh i might be wrong lets re watch the video" after the damage has been done. Destiny conciously or unconciously used the #1 manipulation tactic of mainstream media.
It’s funny, Nick is doing that whole Bayesian analysis thing he says he hates from Destiny when he denies the probability of Destiny’s friends being reported.
i would just add that there are other female chess players that have been competitive against male GMs e.g. hou yifan, maia chiburdanidze, nona gaprindashvili
Depends what you mean by competitive. They can get draws at a decent rate and the odd win but in a match of 15 games they would have 0% chance of winning against the top grandmasters.
Hello steven. I think a good explanation as to why the iq map tends to be more in favor of western countries, as opposed to those that are not and why it is that its mostly enviromental rather than genetic can be simply explained like this:
1_ if you look up brain drain by countries map it will imediately be noticed that nearly all the countries that have a lower average iq tend to have alot of brain drain and since high iq people generaly tend to be more affluent (doctors businessmen and engineers.... etc) they tend to have an advantage when it comes to immigrating to other countries plus its generally known fact that high iq people tend to be not as common as lower iq people so even small amounts of brain drain in those countries tends to be detrimental and on the iq map nearly all western countries had a higher iq average and also had the highest increase in immigrants that were more affluent and had professional background. It could be the case that the smarter people in poorer countries are immigrating at a high pace to more financialy better off countries resulting in the average iq of those western countries increasing.
2_ there is more probability that its enviromental rather than genetic. Because the average iq of african countries has actually increased over time. Increase in iq has happend all over the world for an example in the last 100 years in the us average iq had increased by 30 percent. If it were genetic then it wouldnt be as easy for it to increase.
3_ another reason for it not being mostly genetic could be explaind like this.
Europeans tend to be genetically related east and west. Very close to eachother genetically.
But eastern european countries tended to have a lower iq compared to western europeans.
I hope this was helpful to you steven and to everyone who saw this.
Lol
Loving how Nick Fuentues is more agreeable than Mr. Girl lmao.
Those people should be more direct then. Assuming that someone should know why you don't like them without telling them is dumb
"I'm just trying to peel off your reptile skin..." 🤣
These two are bringing genuienly entertaining content here. Good stuff.
Nick just wants a real friend
I find it foolish to keep debating Nick on past interactions without the receipts because his mind blurs what’s actually said with what he believes was said so much, he forgets the interaction all together.
Props to the absolute sages/geniuses who predicted this. Can you guys manage my Roth IRA?
42:15 so wholesome lol ❤
Destiny: 15 seconds of deep breaths okay?
Nick: alright alright...
There's a clip out there of Nick telling his viewers on stream to mass report Porsalin because he found him annoying and didn't like his videos lmfao
Wow after watching this, Destiny for SURE is trying to date Nick.
i already miss this duo..
they'll be back together soon, im sure of it
Right in my FEE FEE's
Nick’s charade about being against flagging now is rich considering he made a passionate defence of flagging/deplatforming in his debate with Metokur
He made it explicit in that debate. They tried to ban first and make false accusations about Ralph that could literally get him criminally investigated. . After that he stated everything is fair game.
You forgot to mention that in your comment.....curious.
@@hugechromepeach7916 lmao, false accusations like how he's a convicted revenge pornographer? Or are you talking about how people merely covered the fact a woman accused him of sexually assaulting her (something that Nick called a "private matter") and defending Ralph flagging down any attempt to get her side of the story?
Nearly 10,000 common gene variants influence how tall a person becomes.
80% of height is genetic, yet the difference between north and south korean height is 6 inches- they have the same genetics.
If you're a debate guy, why would you call for someone to be banned? I enjoyed the fact that you debate people who you don't see eye to eye on.
Start at 53:00
Nick has likely had so many people bail on him over the years that he is just waiting for the day that Destiny does it too. Getting some 'push them away before they end up hurting me' vibes🤣
There’s probably some truth to that. And that is a sad thing you know? I think Nick is actually a decent guy. The fact that he gets like this means he actually values Destiny as a friend. He’s a real person at least. He may misjudge situations, but it’s at least understandable
@@KingdomAtHand777 I agree with basically all of that. I'd be annoyed too if I were Nick, MrGirl repeatedly equated him to actual Hitler and Destiny was just kinda chill with it.
Idk if you know about any of his community’s history, but yeah that’s completely true. He’s been betrayed by some very high up people in the movement and even his best friend.
Why does destiny upload at crackhead hours
Just mooooove to New Zealand
Gotta get the based aussie viewers
@@harryseaton7444 🤢🤢🤮
@@bobjenkins4925 M OOOO VE
I'm still gonna watch though 😅
So dude says, that he cannot read Destiny's mind, but he knows what Snaeco thinks and bad faith IS! stating things that aren't what you actually are thinking (thing he stated himself he cannot know of)... While he uses hyperbolic statements to knowingly put a worse spin on positions of others and it's good faith? Sure there buddy. That's why people don't like politicians.
Telling Sneako Groypers reported MrGirl is a lie. And assuming people think of Nick Fuentes when the Groypers are accused of something isnt in bad faith, it's the logical conclusion.
Did destiny use mr girls argument against the the guy he was trying to sanitize?? Hahahaha!! This is amazing
We all know Nick is really saying this because he's jealous of Destiny hanging out with Sneako and Aba more rather than him. Classic anime tsundere
a man getting jealous in a platonic sense makes no sense to me i literally never understood this
Nick wants the Lauren Southern rehab arc with Daddy Destiny so badly
Bro what?
Nick having the stones to call someone bad faith is hilarious.
Youre actually commenting in bad faith right now.
Yea kinda like Destiny lying about Nick on the big sneako stream about Nick apparently saying white women fucking blacks is the same thing as having sex with a dog. Totally good faith observation Destiny made.
It was bad faith bro watch nicks stream about it
@@ThumbsHunter “we will forcibly evict them from the peoples house (while people are invading the capital)…. What I obviously meant was we will stand on the lawn, then happily leave accomplishing nothing.” Fuentes, known good faith interlocutor.
@@sparklingwaterjewishpagank5874 even if it were the truest statement on the planet, it's still hilarious seeing Nick Fuentes of all people leveling accusations of bad fait against anyone. That's like the Pope trying to dunk on the Southern Baptist Convention for abusing kids
I appreciate the uploads, but at such ungodly hours.
August, we need to talk; about your sleep schedule.
At an hour in he says ur argument is anecdotal and therefore weak… but it’s the same style of argument he puts forth for believing in the Christian god.
Also a couple minutes later he says "The fact that you won't make a guess based on the things you've seen is pretty lame". Guy is a walking contradiction.
Nick saying Destiny stopped his research when he got his answer he wanted was amazing projection when he later says he has done no research but has definite ideas about race and genetics.
Par for the course with these types when pushed
Sometimes I wonder if Nick wasnt banned from a lot of real life services (Banking, flght, twitch) and wasnt trying to carve out his own streaming site cozy, I wonder if these discussions wouldnt be going in a different direcetion. I feel like Nick needs to dig his heels in otherwise, he kinda loses everything, or at least, the reasons for the fighting the system in teh first place are moot, he could lose his base and his ONLY source of income, with little alternative. Im not saying Nick is doing anything, but its very easy to say that, yes, his base reported and banned Mrgirl, his people preach the desire to deplatform no one, but then they deplatform someone anyway. Yes, Nick didnt directly do anything, but he has been involved with deplatforming of other people no? I believ ve Metokur had a big debate with him on this. These debates have shown that nick isnt a stupid guy, which is why when he plays stupid like this, everyone can spell the bs in the air
1:12:26 does anyone know where I can watch any of this lecture series he’s talking about?
one imoirtant point. its not even just a question of how many genes are responsible for an outcome. but do the genes that control skin color influence IQ or influence the genes that might affect IQ. and those havent been show to be connected.
I hate how Destiny does the “I have to mute” “cmon deep breaths”, to make others look unhinged. He does this often in situations where he would flip if someone did it to him.
Yeah he should eat pizza instead
NICK WON AGAIN
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1:25:27 This is actually why I am skeptical of Fuentes and his goals. To say he is not an humanitarian is probably an understatement. I am not saying he doesn't care about people at all, but I think he cares much more about things like the greatness of a nation that he cares about human beings. That general direction probably implies many positive consequences for people and many negative ones as well, but the well being of human beings is not the ultimate goal. It is like a strategy video game, the goal is to increase the greatness of your empire. And I do believe that if he was an absolute dictator he would probably be ruthless.
Nick cares about the well being of white people which is an admirable concern just like black people are concerned about their own people. How many black advocacy groups talk about helping poor white people? Not many. Hispanics and blacks and Asians only care about their own people. You assign to white advocates a bias of hatred because you are a person who has been captured by the radical anti white rhetoric.
There's something incredibly annoying over the fact that Nick dodges saying he's a white supremacist because he's technically a "soft white separatist".
Destiny is right that trying to label them is an exercise in futility and that it's just better to focus on what they believe.
The point of labels isn't to piss them off or to end the argument, it's so that Sneako's malleable13 year old audience isn't under the impression that Nick is the harmless little memer softboi that he's trying to project he is. Nothing he talks about are memes, these are real serious topics. He's a neo-nazi domestic terrorist. Call it what it is.
But nick has stated his beliefs in detail. He points out blacks and Hispanics culture is incompatible with American culture and that we shouldn’t embrace those cultures they should be embracing ours since our culture is what made us this great nation to begin with and their culture is why they are swimming across the Gulf of Mexico to work at Home Depot. Nowhere does he say let’s deport non whites. He says let’s keep the ones we have but push them down back to where they belong as a minority and not over represent them the way we do now.
The cycle of nick seeming reasonable In person with destiny and then going propaganda mode when he’s by himself on his show. Gives off the energy of someone trying to help an addict who doesn’t want help lol
Only one side uses "propaganda"? Ok, sure buddy.
In this argument honestly he seemed more reasonable than Destiny. Nick doesn't really have that much control over BigTech
@@sr.cosmos4543 calm down mr.girlreturns burner account
@@sr.cosmos4543 Did he actually say that? Because obviously both sides use propaganda, propaganda isn't even a bad thing, it's just a tool. I don't know why that word is such a boogyman scary word, like chemicals or agenda.
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. um by that definition yea I'd say it's not really a good thing lol.
Okay the chest sisters if he wanted an actual antidote look at the williams sisters. Same style of situation. Still could almost be looked like a case study as well.
the thought of groypers being influenced by destiny and switching "sides" is even more ridiculous than flat earth theory
You cannot have a serious adult conversation with a person who only wants to maintain their position and will ignore evidence to the contrary.
Nick's argument that "it was bad faith" becomes, itself, a bad faith argument.
The ability to admit faults comes, for the lucky few, with age and experience.
Nick Gave an argument bro and destiny dodged so it was bad faith lmao
@@sparklingwaterjewishpagank5874 Nick acted in bad faith so many times in this discussion and you know that. He acts strategically to fight for his goals, he is not interested in an honest debate
@@BangaWangaTschanga I mean it doesn't really help when destinty keeps conceding points to him and says things like "well if you showed me proof black people were genetically predisposed to violence I'd just believe you" the entire video honestly is a way better showing from nick considering how badly destiny seems to be pushing him. But that's just from my perspective.
I don't think destiny was bad faith by the way.
@@sparklingwaterjewishpagank5874 Swoooosh
You are doing exactly what I just described
@@Hubin12 What Steven is saying is that he want to know what is "true" as in real.
He is not conceding anything, he is telling us what proof he would need to be convinced.
I am not in any way trying to diminish you, but it sounds like you are prone to be swayed by rhetoric more than rational argumentation. Which is what Nick thrives on.
Nick probably fully understands Stevens argument, but his followers will not reward him for honesty and humility.
Steven is main position is "Let's find the real answers, even if I am currently wrong"
Nicks position is "I have the answers and I will defend them, no matter the contradictory evidence"
1:11:30
Is height as polygenetic as IQ? LOL
"By 2018, Visscher's team and other members of a global consortium called GIANT had pooled DNA data for 700,000 people and found 3300 common markers that explained 25% of the variation in height. Now, by looking across DNA from 201 GWA studies with 4.1 million participants, GIANT has brought the total to roughly 9900 common markers, accounting for 40% of the variation. Other markers located nearby and likely inherited together account for another 10% of height variability."
groypers win again
I think that most humans vastly underestimate just how much genetics play a role in our lives. We want to feel "in control" of our lives, and admitting that we are dealt a (genetic) lottery at the start of life gets in the way of that. The human brain loves to minimize, and in some cases, outright deny uncomfortable truths.
I find it bizzare the amount of defence the left (and many geneticists themselves) play when it comes to genetic clusters and intelligence.
It's obvious that such a strong link exists. They don't deny it when it comes to disease inheritability (Sickle Cell, Tay Sachs). They don't deny it when it comes to world-class athletes and their physicality (Usian Bolt). They don't deny it when it comes to skin color, hair color, eye color, or really any physical trait.
But when it comes to intelligence, they deny it. Why is that?
So, if someone advocates for private deplatforming, that's bad and Destiny will banish them from his "community." But if someone advocates for public political disenfranchisement, that's perfectly fine. Interesting. Of course, I'm being obtuse. Destiny even says that the reason he's anti-deplatforming isn't for idealogical reasons. It's is because it affects his bottom line. He says it in this video. But see, I know that Destiny understands privilege (at least PastDestiny did), so I can't help but wonder how he squares this circle. or if he even bothers with that kind of thing anymore. Integrity and whatnot.
Istg halfway through it just seemed like they're arguing about who sneako's real daddy lol
Nick is so good at moving an argument of him being bad faith into debate that you both could find common ground on lol
Because he's not bad faith. He's better than good faith.
Where was the common ground? Dude was straight up lying at times
@@inandoutoftheabyss9953 Literally most of Nicks interpretations of what Destiny is saying. I feel like you didn't watch the video.
1. Denying the claim that groypers were the ones who took MrGirls's channel down via mass reporting. This is just a really stupid hill to die on. Suddenly he cares about "direct evidence" .
2. 32:26 Destiny catches Nick in blatant misrepresentations, or lies.
@@ludvig3242 yeah and the part where Nick said Destiny was using this as a way to avoid doing the jfk debate cuz he was scared. But Nick and Destiny already talked about postponing it until all this cleared. Idk why people comment without even watching the video, it is obvious where he is lying. but to your first comment, at the very end they found a way to end the debate where they kinda agree. I guess that isn't exactly common ground tho