Mirrorless Vs DSLR For Wildlife Photography
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- Mirrorless Vs DSLR For Wildlife Photography is such a hot topic right now. In this video Danielle, on location at Jaci's Tree Lodge in Madikwe, explains how each system works and also unpacks the pros and cons of mirrorless and DSLR for wildlife photography.
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Have you made the switch from DSLR to Mirrorless? Could having one of each in your camera bag cover all the bases?
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@Jim P my story as well! though i am totting m4/3 as well in city tours in day and fujifilm for artistic casual work
Not yet and I am in the same boat as Jim P and Shoot to Save. 50 years of DSLR and Flim, really see no need to switch at this point in life. All said though when Canon comes out with the mirrorless equivilant of a 1DX series, may be tempted to try. It does seem to be the future, but there is still many of very good and sometime great photos including wildlife taken with basic DSLR and good lens. Equipment is great (and I have spent untold fortunes on such), but chasing the latest and greatest is not always the best thing to do for it never ends, best is to make the use of what you have and learn the basic and good compostion and use fo light.
Good summary. I do think the size and weight advantage is overstated, particularly when you have a big telephoto lens attached.
Hello Danielle!
this time I must admit that I disagree completely with what you have said.
By comparing the mirorless cameras and the Dslr, you almost speak about the advantages of the mirorless!
1. When you say that the weight of the mirorless is an advantage over the dslr. What happens if you have a very heavy lense and a ridiculous small camera on the other side? I remembered, when the series of d3, d4, d5 of nikon came out. They said for the publicitys : one button, one function, and now with the mirorless you must go into the menus to find the things :nobody talks about this only because the trend is lightness😱, but precisely, I like to have a important heavy camera in the hand to keep a certain balance between lense and camera! If the weight is so important, why don't you you take pictures only with your phones? It's sooo easy to use and to transport it in a pocket?? 😉
2. You speak about the evf. OK what you see is what you get. That's true. But dear Danielle :we work all day on computers. All day long screens and screens and screens 😱. If, I had a mirorless, it would be another screen again. If I resume it: the only way to stop looking at screens would be to stop taking pictures 🤣😂. Please dear Danielle, the only way to keep looking at the nature, is looking in the nature itself. With an ovf, you are in fact in the nature itself. What can be more pleasant to see a BiF in reality, than on television even if the screen is wonderful!! What can be more natural than the nature itself 😏?
3. You speak about the frames per second! And here excuse me, but you give us complete wrong informations or uncompleted informations. You say mirorless have more frames per second than Dslr. No absolutely not. If you take the Z6 from Nikon for instance. This mirorless is only able to shoot 5 fps. With the measure of the light. That means if you take a burst of 12fps, there is no measure of the light, which means that sometimes your pictures can be completely overexposed or underexposed. Is this an advantage? . I recognize that the Sony a9 is able to do it, but not the nikon., not yet.
4. You didn't completely ignore the fact that the buffer of a nikon Z6 is ridiculous small and when you take a serie of photos, a burst, you have to pray that the good one is in the first three seconds, because after, ta.... Ta. Ta ta. Finished 😱. Is this an advantage???? Of the mirorless??a few years ago if nikon would have produced a Dslr camera with such a poor buffer and no light measure by taking the burst, everyone would have said : what? Such a poor ridiculous buffer. But now, the trend is mirorless, and people really accept everything! Incredible 🙄🙄
5. You speak about the AF. And you tell us that it is as good as the Dslr. Again no. The Sony a9 indeed has a fast AF perhaps better than the D5. But again in low light situations, theZ6 Struggles with finding the AF. Even if they have made some progress, the z series aren't on the level of their Dslr.
CONCLUSION : Even if you are right, the future will be the mirorless cameras(easier to make, more able to progress just with updates, etc) .. , I find that it is a pity, because, it was so great to see what was happening in the real life not again on a screen. Screen on your computer. Screen on a laptop, screen on the television, screen on a Handy, and now screen on a camera 😱😱😱
Dear Danielle let us take pictures a few years more with our new old Dslrs😁. Thank you, if you had the patience to have read me until the end of my post. Thank you for your so honest work until now, except this video, that surprised me a lot because I didn't recognize the honesty you showed in all you others videos, but perhaps, it was a bit provocation to exhort us to answer 😊.indeed you were right, it works 👍👍👍
Excellent evaluation. If manufacturers stop producing DSLRs and when my current systems expire; I'll have to give up serious photography as an enthusiast and use the smart phone instead. Until then, my love (DSLRs) stays with me.
I for one would never go back to a DSLR, and who need a long heavy lens, use your legs to get closer, Admit it, mirrorless is here to stay.
I won't be switching any time soon for the reasons you have pointed out as disadvantages of mirrorless cameras. Also they cost more than DSLRs as they are new technology. My current DSLRs work perfectly well and, being a Yorkshireman, I can't bring myself to spend the necessary to change systems!
Yorkshireman, i heard about those. but i agree, not switching to Z series anytime soon. in fact, not even sure if i will be sticking with Nikon.
Mirrorless are getting better - but still have a way to go...
Hi Ben, lots of people agree with you. The best camera is the one in your hand, always :-)
@@RobJorg People can buy a body over and over again.. But it's not easy to buy quality lenses.. because they are lot more expensive...
It's better to stick to one system rather than jump from one to another...
They shouldn't be but they certainly seem to be more reliable...
Good, clear explanation. Thank you. I have recently gone from a Canon 80D to the EOS R and all your comments are spot on, both the positive and negative points.
I would say the the lag in the viewfinder is a distraction but you get used to it.
Having recently adapted the 5Div advice from pangolin to set up this camera, I can say it’s a great camera for amateurs/enthusiasts like me.
I've been researching the Nikon Z series specifically and appreciate this short, straight-forward video on pros/cons.
Thank you Jim, much appreciated!
I moved from Canon to Olympus last year and have never looked back! My back and shoulders are thanking me for it too. Used my Olympus in Borneo and it was fantastic being able to see the shot through the viewfinder and change the exposure to get exactly what I wanted. And my new 100-400 lens is arriving on Monday!
m43 is dead, so is Olympus btw.
Couldn’t care less what your viewpoint is. I have great camera bodies and fabulous lenses which weigh far less than my previous gear. don’t bust my hand baggage allowance and don’t hurt my back. What is shoot with is up to me
Hi Danielle. Nice video. Sony are considered the leaders in mirrorless and outsell both Canon and Nikon in Japan. They have an extensive array of lenses since they were first to market, with the others trying to catch up. In addition 3rd parties (like Sigma) are making very high quality lenses for the Sony full frame. Once you've used mirrorless there is no reason to go back to DSLR in my opinion; and new photographer will certainly choose mirrorless.
I tried the A7 - now I'm back with my Nikon DSLRs...
Hi Richard, appreciate your input. I'd love to get my hands on a Sony. Do you use one of their mirrorless cameras?
Roy Bixby the a7 was released in 2013 and was Sony’s first full frame interchangeable lens mirrorless. The last few years have seen huge technology gains in cameras. It comes down to what you are used to and prefer. Whether you use DSLR or mirrorless the end result digital image is more or less the same in most situations.
Danielle - Pangolin Photo Host. Hi Danielle. I’ve had the a7ii for years and recently bought the a7Riii. I am very happy with both. The expensive a9 series would be far better for fast moving subjects and it’s an incredible performer. However it’s a trade off and I prefer to invest more in lenses first before upgrading cameras..I am sure you agree.
Thank you, Danielle for the video; Love the Z7 for size and quality of stills and video; For wildlife I got great results with the Nikkor Z 500 mm PF lens. Great and small/light. My 35 liter backpack turned into an 18 liter, carrying 4 lenses, accessories, laptop. Everyone, given the choice, wants a smaller and lighter rig producing sharper images. Looking forward to meet the whole crew at Pangolin. We were supposed to be on the Chobe this May, but will be there in May 2021. Great videos all of you, with very relevant topics. 8 friends from California.
Thank you Ray. Sounds like an amazing combo you have there. Sorry about your trip but looking forward to meeting you all in 2021!
I have added a Z6 and is slowly but surely becoming my Primary Wildlife Camera. I have sold my D810, Still use my D4s for fast action. I use the FTZ with my Nikon 300 f2.8 even with TC's and the Z6 does a great job. Just added the battery pack. However, for very fast action picking up BIF, the Nikon Z focus needs some improvement. The thing I like most about it is the quiet shutter, and the fact that even with the TC2.0 at f5.6 I can use the full focus sensor and it works very well. Another major benefit is the fact that all lenses are sharp and does not need focus calibration. Something that I found more and more with the newer Nikon Bodies.
Awesome video, this is the best wildlife photography TH-cam channel! :)
really? don't think so.
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@@Vollpflock Ok, but I learn a lot from them, they're all super nice, they show us awesome photos and the videos are really well made. I really like their channel.
Thank you Andre, appreciate your support!
I enjoy all of the Pangolin weekly videos. there is always something of interest. I have been a Nikon user for about 30 years but the longer lenses added to the weight and much as I loved my Nikon gear it was time to downsize. As I already had an older Olympus mirrorless it made sense to continue with them. Somehow I have ended up with three of the newer models. The OMD EM1 Mark 2 and Mark 3. I have a different lens on each body so no changing lenses in the field which is a real bonus in dusty or damp conditions. I am covered from 8 to 400mm (16-800 in full frame) and the three bodies and lenses weighs less than 7 kilos which is fantastic for travel. I can't wait to try it out on the Chobe when we are fortunate enough to be allowed to travel again.
A bonus with Mirrorless is when using 10 stop ND filters. Instead of having to calculate the exposure and having to focus before attaching the filter I can actually see and focus with the filter attached. It is brilliant. I went through severe withdrawal when I sold all my Nikon gear but I am loving my Olympus gear and my body is thanking me every time I use it.
Three bodies!!! Awesome. Looking forward to welcoming you and your gear to the Chobe soon!
Hi Danielle Glad to see you are back in the Bush and out of Lockdown Thanks for the video! HI from KIt and Gary
I moved to Olympus EM1-X last year for sports and wildlife. Was hoping to use it in the Chobe in June this year with you on safari but will need to wait until June 2021 (fingers crossed).
I currently own the Nikon D7200 and NIkon Z50. I starting to move over to the Z50 for the main reason of real time exposure. This is a true advantage over the DSLR. I like to see Nikon come out with mirrorless replacement for their D500. One question; can you discuss the advantage/disadvantage of a full frame vs APSC camera's for wildlife photography? Really enjoy this channel.
I love the real time feature most. I believe there is a full frame vs cropped video out already...or coming out in the future :-)
Timely. Thank you. Contemplating a Canon R5, but not sure trade in the 5D Mk IV or just have both.
I switched to mirrorless about a month ago, sold my Nikon D7500 and D750 (for sale) and bought the Nikon Z6 and Z50 (with kit lenses). I have no regrets. There are a couple of other advantages that sold me on mirrorless:
I have gotten used to the bright EVF of the Z6, when I go back to my Nikon D750, I don't like the Optical VF anymore. The Z6 EVF is awesome, and I am sure the newer Sony and Canon EVFs are so much better. Then the other issue I had after reaching 50 is having to wear reading glasses. I always forget it where ever I go and when I shoot with DSLR it is hard to check the Live view. But with new mirrorless, I don't have that problem. I can look through the EVF and see everything, exposure, focus (peaks) and the previews etc and I am loving it. No more reading glasses.
I bought the Nikon Z 24-200 and a 35 f/1.8. For wildlife I still use the Sigma 60-600 with FTZ adapter. Don't see much of a difference in focusing speed between native and F mount glass.
Hi Aruna, good to hear from someone who made the move over. I also loved the bright EVF. In your case, mirrorless sounds like a win!
May be you should also compare mirrorless cameras from Nikon, Canon, Sony and Fujifilm. It would be great if you could also discuss the sensor size for wildlife photography.
One significant advantage for me is not having to focus tune the camera which I found tedious and unreliable. I also find the focus on the Sony, in particular, better than what my Canon 1DXii could do.
A few weeks ago I bought a Canon R6, primarily to replace my 80D. it almost feels like cheating, as I can see any adjustments I make to exposure compensation, which I have found very useful in constantly changing light conditions, and it's impossible now to forget to bring exposure compensation down, when you go from photographing a bird against a bright sky to shooting one in a leafy canopy. The other huge advantage I have found is the auto focus tracking is so much easier, particularly for birds in flight or fast moving animals. I suspect, as with most things with more practice would improve my shooting with the 80D, but I have immediately noticed a huge improvement in my keeper rate.
Finally the iso performance is so much better, I was actually using iso 25600 the other day when photographing birds in very dull conditions, and the performance was similar to or better than using 6400 on the 80D, but with the obvious advantage of a faster shutter speed. I didn't "need" to change, but I'm very happy that I did, however I did keep my 80D, and will certainly continue to use that as a second body.
Thanks for the great videos, I have been working my way through them, and picked up some useful hints.
Hi Paul, thanks for this. I am looking forward to owning a ML at some stage.
Danielle
The is the best comparison I have seen. Ver simple and to the point. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent summary of some of the benefits of mirrorless camera compared with SLR’s.
Very good content. The most important things one must read between the lines and contemplate very carefully what you are saying quickly. For me the main drawback of the mirrorless cameras is the digital viewfinder which is just as unnatural for me like digital mirrors in the car. Will keep my 5D for the same reason I enjoy driving my car looking through a windscreen more than driving simulators on my XBOX. Although my second camera is Fuji X-T3 - as a sentimental call to Fuji Velvia and S3 - I feel like looking through the viewfinder of DSLR I stay more connected with reality and the moment I am in.
Sadly we’re heading to the moment when people switch the camera on and mind off with the very same switch.
Anyways, thumbs up for honest yet professional, very informative content, provided in beautiful surroundings and by even more beautiful host 😃 liked and subscribed 👍
It takes a while to get used to the electronic viewfinder but one gets used to it. Thanks Grzegorz!
-Danielle
Thanks for so accurate informative Video.
Gracias, tienes mucha certeza, La magia de las cámaras SLR , imaginas como van a salir las fotografías después del revelado. Y cuando usas película de diapositivas era muy maravilloso tus fotos en positivo y lograr una perfecta exposición; la magia de la fotografía en el pasado.
It doesn’t matter what cameras you use. It is the skill of the photographer that really counts. I have seen my mentor uses a cheap camera, even a second hand lens, produces an excellent picture.
Very true!
-Danielle
Added the Canon R5 a few weeks ago with the intention of using it with the 5DIV, but have now traded in the 5DIV and 7D and have (back)ordered another R5. 12-20 fps, animal and bird eye focus, plenty of MP's to crop for composition, most lifelike EVF I've ever used, accurate AF, no micro adjustments on lenses, and the batteries last much longer than you would think.
Still impatiently waiting for my R5 pre-order. Autofocus speed will not be an issue based on the reviews I gave seen - appears to be absolutely phenomenal.
Hi John,that's good to hear! It's getting better and better :-)
I absolutely love my Z6, but still keep my D7200 (with 200-500 f5.6 attached) close for extra reach.
The 200-500mm Nikon has to be the best value lens of its type. I notice the Autofocus slows when adapted to a Z...
That’s what I want (200-500) for mine too!! Lucky you👍🏼
It will be a few years until I switch from DSLR. I am fortunate that I have a couple of cameras and a lot of good glass and don’t feel that the benefits are worth the switch yet. I remain open minded and will watch to see how the technology improves over time.
Me too - I'm waiting to see what the Nikon Z8 is like...
Hi Richard, good point. t's a personal choice, if what you have works, keep shooting with it :-)
Great video! Only wish Nikon would make a d500 mirrorless equivalent!
Please do I follow up on AF settings (dynamic, area wide, 3D, auto) for the Z8. I would like to see the techniques used for Area Wide and subject detection with the Z8 and the new firmware 2.0. Thanks
Danielle, Thanks for the video, I’m curious of your opinion on the Z6 for wildlife stills. Thanks 😃
Hi Luis, thank you. I have a video coming up about the Z6 and what I love about it - you might enjoy that one.
Danielle - Pangolin Photo Host thanks😊, I hope we can visit you guys soon
@@luisnouel3407 We hope so too!
Have been using Canon R5 to shoot hummingbirds at a feeder, using high speed sync flash to freeze motion and permit stopping down aperture for DOF. Big pluses are the new sensor with wider dynamic range than 5D4 and the in-body IS. The EVF image is brilliant. Autofocus is fine for large objects, but fails with hummingbirds even if they are dead center. Since delay to charge flash mandates single shot drive, I've been using manual focus instead. The EVF lag isn't noticeable until you shoot at high speed. Then, the alternation between live view and just recorded image is confusing. On balance, I'm not sure EVF is really better than DSLR's interrupted view for tracking during high speed shooting. Small size of body is not an advantage, especially for wildlife photography where the lenses are so long. The balance is off and the grip too small. Hard to hold small camera weighed down even by only moderately sized 24-70mm. Battery life appears to be appalling. Can't travel now, so can't say for sure, but on next safari, I'll plan to bring 6-8 batteries and two chargers to get them all recharged overnight. Even so, it's been fun learning to use mirrorless, and the bottom line is the superb image quality of the new sensor. If only Canon had made the camera larger, with space for higher capacity batteries.
Canon R5 and R6 offers animal eye focus. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I am going to stick with my DSLR for now!
Indeed. Thanks Jon.
Danielle
Hi, love Pangolin vidz, however I'm a sony shooter and if you have the chance give Sony mirror less a go, or the Canon R5, these cameras in my opinion leave Nikon way behind and Sony have a great range od lenses. Love thr vidz
My A7 died just out of warranty - I dont miss the ergonomics or lack of support and i've gone back to Nikon...
Thank you Malcolm. If we can get our hands on a Sony, I'd love to try. They're definitely making waves in the mirrorless world!
I would love to switch to a mirrorless camera for the reasons you gave. (Although I have no trouble with blackouts during burst shooting on my DSLR like you mention.) But one thing keeps me from making the jump. I mostly shoot wildlife on a Nikon D500 with a Sigma 150-600mm zoom. I frequently shoot long bursts and absolutely must continue to see in my viewfinder instantaneously what is happening in my exposures. What a is very small lag in the electronic viewfinder becomes compounded with each successive frame. At 10 frames a second and a long burst I would no longer be looking at what is in my imaging at that moment, and I could not properly track the wildlife as they move through the scene before me. The greatest example I can give is one shoot in which two wild stallions got into a battle which lasted for 300 continuous shots I took on my XQD card. I would never have been able to catch that great burst of the battle with an electronic viewfinder. I would very soon be unable to aim the camera properly once the continuous lag of a mirrorless camera kicked in progressively.
But I do hope this issue will be fully resolved in the future and then I will buy my Nkon Z8!
I am sure the tech will catch up soon!
I hope the 5th advance is really true because on the first mirrorless a viewfinder blackout was a big problem.
I think there are only a couple of mirrorless that have no blackout at all, but otherwise, great list. I'm shooting what I consider to be the best of both worlds, and the most underrated camera in the world - the Sony DSLT A99ii. It has a mirror, but it doesn't move, so I get the advantage of a dedicated autofocus sensor combined with the nearly 100% coverage of focus points on the sensor (A7Riii 42mp sensor), in a body that shoots a lot quieter than any DSLR (no mirror flapping) and is a little smaller and lighter than most pro DSLR's, but feels much better in the hand than a small mirrorless camera. Coupled with my native 500 F4, the amazing autofocus speed, eye auto focus and direct compatibility with old Minolta lenses, I can't believe more people don't know and love this kit!
I wished Sony had continued to develop that camera...
@@roybixby6135 Absolutely! I can understand why they've moved all their eggs into the mirrorless basket, as it was a bold but brilliant move, but there are so many amazing things that the a99ii has that so many still can't come close to, that even adding in features from the A7iv and A9ii would make it a world beater. Sadly, very unlikely to ever happen...
Hi, yes I should've said "not all" with regards to blackout. I have only shot with the Z6 in terms of mirrorless, and even though it might not have a completely clean series, I still thought it was much better than my D850 blackout. Very interesting info, thanks. Happy to hear your feedback!
Thank you Danielle!
No worries.
When I take wildlife photos, I always switch to my Canon 7D Mark ii and leave EOS R at home. When I attach the 400 on EOS R, it feels like a toy camera attached at the end of the lens and it’s going to break the camera lens mount where as when I pick up the 7d Mark ii it feels like it is ready for the action and take any blow. For some reason mirrorless cameras feel flimsy to me - love my EOS R though only for great image quality with minimum effort.
One reason that I don't like using Mirrorless cameras for wildlife is the fact the lens is super heavy and the camera is too light to balance it properly
Yep - You should try a 600mm or 800mm tele on a mirrorless...
It does take some getting used to and I understand what you mean by it almost feeling "front-heavy". The dedicated mirrorless lenses should be getting a bit lighter as time goes by. Not sure if you shoot Nikon, but if you pair the PF lenses with a mirrorless camera, it takes off a whole chunk off the weight :-)
Unfortunately the 200-500mm is over 2 kilos
Fantastic explanation, ma'am.👍 All I need to do now is save up for the next 50 or 60 years, then I'm good to go. 👍😉
Thank you for the very interesting video and i m waiting for the next .
I have a Z6 and i m very happy. I using for my first photosafari but i use for my other photo hobby too steam trains.
I noted this problem if i take picture by my D 700 and my Z6 : when i try to take puctures at the sunset or sunrise the colours in D700 are more true-natural than that I can see in viewfinger of Z6 and specially the glinting of the sun rays on metalic surfaces are more difficult to see BY Z6.
Whau you think about this ?
Thank you -grazie.
Hi Giovanni. I think the "real time" view that the EVF of Z6 gives is great but probably not as good as our eyes yet. It may be that the glinting is too bright for the camera to read (highlights blowing out). I assume that you check your white balance too?
@@danielle-pangolinphotohost1005 Thank you for your reply, I suspected me too about the eyes are so better than any electronic monitor...A big ciao.
I find the lag time for the EVF to turn on makes it difficult to pick it up and shoot a bird in flight. I bought the Z50 to try mirrorless and wish that I could lock the focus point. But it is lag time, that makes me question using the camera for shots that require having the camera immediately available to shoot.
Start up time is still a major drawback with nearly all mirrorless - but they are getting better with time....
Very good point Sandy, it also bugged me a bit.
I thought the no black out with real time tracking is still only available with the Sony A9 and A9ii cameras. At least with Sony, you need to stay with the Sony branded FE mount because the mirrorless lens motors are able to calibrate the real time AF at 20 fps whereas other lenses might drop to a slower fps. I do find that EVFs that do not provide at least 100-120 fps refresh rate are very hard on my eyes. The Canon R5 opens up another area for moving wildlife photography that I'm curious to see if it happens - using 8k video to pull out the reasonable resolution stills. Plus the R5 has impressive AF. I have been using mirrorless cameras for five years and enjoy it. :)
Thanks Martin. The blackouts seem to be a point of discussion. On the Z6 it is a setting in the menu to choose whether it blacks out or not. I would love to see the performance on the Sony.
I struggle with EVFs in general so not quite interested in mirrorless yet. Might take a look again once they go at least 5MP and high refresh rates at a decent price.
The R5 obtains no black out by holding the last fame which creates significant lag making it hard to track fast moving subjects.
The Sony A9 series is black out free while maintaining a very high refresh rate. It is the only mirror less system I am aware of the fosuses 60 times a second. It is unfortunate that you fail to discuss Sony as it is arguably the best wildlife mirror less system available.
Nice comparison. You missed out on the 4K Video capabilities of Mirrorless cameras Vs Limited video capabilities of DSLR bodies..
Video is the only real reason I'd use my mirrorless for wildlife...
Hi Revah, yes I don't delve into video detail as we are mostly a photography channel but it does have great video capabilities!
Made the switch 12 months ago from Nikon D850 over Nikon Z6 to now finally Sony A9ii and A7RIV. Best decision ever going mirrorless and especially going with Sony. The A9ii is a wildlife monster and probably one of the two or three most capable Cams out there. 2 things I see diffently than you, first off: Lenses is not an issue if you are choosing the right system, Sony has plenty of native lenses for every job, same for Canon and the adapter for the RF mount ist fantastic so your high quality Canon glas will work smoothly with the mirrorless system - Nikon on the other hand is a bit different, native Z-lenses for wildlife are not existing yet and the adapting of the F-Mount lenses works for portraits and landscapes, but was not happy with the wildlife results on my Z6 (AF Issues, AF too slow). Second is AF-System, I see the AF system form Sony A7RIV and Sony A9 + A9ii as perfect examples for awesome AF systems, they are fantastic! Talking about blackouts, it's too much of a generalization you did, most of the mirrorless systems have a lag and a black- out. My Sony A7RIV has a bit of a black out, my Z6 had an even worse black out which was one of the reasons why I have sold the Nikon system. As far as i know, the only fullframe systems without blackout are the Sony A9/A9ii and the new Canon R5/R6 .... just my two cents as a happy mirrorless owner and wildlife shooter.
Lenses: I have 100-400mm 400mm f/2.8 and 600mm f/4 the best lenses for wildlife without any adapter .. please update you information
One thing you really didn't mention, is the fact that if you are taking a video of a moving object (bird, airplane, moving animal....) once the mirror flips up, you have lost the image, and can no longer track it. And on a bright day, it is really pretty hard, if not impossible, to follow the subject using the viewing screen. If you have an EVF, you simply continue following whatever you are videoing. I recently purchased a Canon m50 for exactly that reason, and it works very well. I still use my other DSLRs, but the little Canon has become my walk around camera, for most of the other reasons you gave.
Thank you David. You make a very good point.
Love shooting silent on mirrorless
DSLRs can be Silent too - the problem is that wildlife moves and the images get bent. Not to mention you cant use a flash...
That's one more great thing about it, indeed!
I was looking for the answers for some practical issues. How good is the mirrorless for fast shooting in bird flights, how is the clarity of the viewfinder during peak day time with reflection of sunlight, is there a difference in holding the focus and shifting the frame?
Hello. In terms of speed it depends on the lens it uses but I think ML is still catching up to Af speed in DSLRs (Nikon). It has improved greatly in the high end models. Viewfinder of the Z6 was amazing even in bright light. In terms of focus lock, exactly the same as with my DSLRs.
Danielle
I own a Sony a6600 mirrorless camera and I would like to see a video featuring a Sony camera with native lenses.
Wondering if you guys have tried out the Canon R5 yet? IMHO, it's a great mirrorless camera for wildlife photography.
We'll hopefully get our hands on one!
Forgot to mention sensor dust, with the mirroless, there is less protection from dust particles resulting in more dust spots tend to accumulate on the sensor than a DSLR resulting in more cleaning of the sensor (which some people are not comfortable doing). Othere than that you tended to give a good balance of pros and cons, oh also in some of the mirrorless there can be some banding issues issues.
you raise some very good points. Thank you.
You failed to mention EVF lag - I gave up on the Z6 because it is so bad you can't track anything but slow moving subjects. Sony A9 has no lag and no blackout and lock on autofocus is second to none (ok maybe the R5 now) - it's like Elon Musk wishes his autopilot was. Another major benefit I find with the A9 is that you can see exactly where the focus is - you can't see this on a DSLR. Also low light focus seems better with mirrorless because no loss of light going to the focus system like happens on a DSLR. I am not a pro but coming from D850/500PF a secondhand A9/200-600 combo is just a huge leap forward. Try hand holding the Nikon at 1/100s the VR is shocking whereas I can easily hold the A9/200-600 at 1/20 and get tack sharp images - which means some low light still shots are possible with the slower lens. I guess that's the combined IBIS and lens steady shot. Of course the D850 resolution is superb, so I miss that big time, but hopefully a second-hand A7R III will fill that gap. Love the colours that come out of Nikon though - and Sony well behind in the ergonomics on the camera - but to be honest once I got used to the different operation of the mirrorless the only ergnomics issue I still have is not being able to easily feel the buttons, they're a bit flush. but not worth spending extra on the new models just for that.
Anyway we're living vicariously through these videos you make now - so keep them coming... Get hold of some Sony gear and let us know what you think.
we are indeed trying to get some Sony gear to try. Thanks. Hope to see you in the Chobe soon!
@@PangolinWildlife soon ... ha ha ha (hysterical laughter), if I could just leave my house I would be happy! I know what a goldfish feels like now!
Covid cancelled my Kgalagadi trip this year :-(.
@@duncangroenewald that's a shame. Sorry. Get up to Chobe as soon as you can!
I have a Nikon D5300 and I can lock the mirror up and then it is the same as a mirrorless Camera. And the D3300 is a light weight camera, then you have no view finder with the mirror locked up.
We will have to look into that. Thanks.
One important point you forgot because mirrorless has an electronic eye piece flash photography specially indoor confused you. Because view finder become more dark while setting apperture
Thanks for the input. appreciated
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Nice briefing. However, all advantages of MILC are present on DSLR as well. Failed to find any special advantage that is totally absent on DSLRs. I can easily produce the same quality images with my DSLRs. Therefore, there's no need to make an expensive switch that hardly produces any mention worthy benefits. Thanks anyway.
I used Fujifilm for 8 years (and still do). Traded my Nikon D850 DSLR for a Z7. I was neither happy with the lens options nor with the camera. Traded the complete Nikon system for Sony. There you have a broad choice of lenses, Sony and third party. The new lenses for mirrorless are considerably lighter and mostly sharper than my Nikon lenses ever has been. We will see, what Canon has to offer in the near future. DSLR is dead already and this is out of question. The only reason to invest in DSLR now is to buy used and cheaper gear or if your are already heavily invested in expensive glas. But if, like me, you have ever used a Sony A7R III or IV, or, for sports etc. an A9II, you will never go back. Did I mention the eye-AF that also works with animals for wildlife photography?
The video capability seems much better than my D850.
Hi Sandy, yes video is whole topic on it's own and the Z6 has amazing video quality!
The mirrorless camera are light and compact, but telephoto lenses are heavier, which might not give the good grip and balance to shoot with ease.
Also people prefer naked view finder better than electronic one.
What's your take on these aspects??
You need to Mount the Lens on a tripod or Monopod as the Mirrorless cameras bodies mount's may not be able to take the load of heavier Prime or Telephoto zoom lenses
@@user-zp6jc9zu4w but it's not possible for using tripod in every shot. What to do then??
Are Telephoto lenses in mirrorless cameras heavier, are you sure? Not at all. The size and weight of these lenses are one of the biggest advantages. For example, have a look to Olympus cameras and its lenses. All the lenses have much less size and wieight compare to DSLR. Example telephoto lens Olympus 75-300 mm (this is equivalent 150-600 mm in 35 mm cameras) and it just weighs 423 gr and 116 mm long.
@@manuelmarcos6780 Olympus uses Micro 4/3 sensors hence their lenses are made for such bodies.
Whereas more popular brands like Nikon/Canon/Sony use both FX /DX sensors in their bodies. Hence you can adapt all their DSLR lenses to their Mirrorless bodies too...
Presently most of the manufacturer of Mirrorless cameras bodies do not have dedicated Telephoto zoom lens like 400mm/500mm primes for their Mirrorless line up.
@@user-zp6jc9zu4w What nonsense. You can handhold mirrorless cameras with long lenses just the same as DSLR's.
The comparison between mirrorless and DSLR is like comparing electricity to steam. DSLR is so yesterday, heavy and cumbersome, hard to hold still but the real proof is in the quality of the image.
Danielle, what's your opinion about the future of DSLR?
Do you think it'll be dead in like 20 years from now?
Hi Abdul, good question! I'm keeping an eye on the market and can't see DSLR disappearing in the near future but wow, 20 years from now, who knows?! What do you think?
@@danielle-pangolinphotohost1005 I think DSLR will be dead by 20 years, it'll be like film photography. Much improvement will be taken place in sensor technology, battery and operating system. Photography will be so easier that professional photography will be less demandable. AI, AR will be prevalent - Object recognition, speech recognition, whole Photopills embedded in camera. As for camera, no rolling shutter and shutter mechanism will be shifted to lens. No camera will be below 100MP, low light performance will be groundbreaking with smart S/N algorithm. File transfer system will be through the roof. People don't need to see through electronic viewfinder, they just need to wear the glass which works as viewfinder.
In a word the future of photography is bright. 😆
I like being able to zoom in and make sure focus is tack sharp when the moment arises. I will never go back to DSLR, seeing exposure through viewfinder real time (live view), game changer for me. I think image quality is better as well, no mirror slapping up and down, less vibration.
Hi there, it seems to be a game changer for many people. Happy to hear your feedback!
Canon EOS R5 takes the crown by a mile for wildlife photography.
don't forget the Sony A9II ;)
@@Sniper5286 Yeah no thanks.
You're lucky to have it :-)
Je reste sur ma faim, car j'aurais aimé avoir des exemples de photos surtout avec Canon R6, plus accessible au niveau prix pour tout le monde. J'hésite encore a l'acheter
Personne ne parle francais ici.
@@peterm.winter3184 I would have liked to have examples of photos especially with Canon R6, more accessible at the price level for everyone. I still hesitate to buy it
No slow focus in tracking a moving subject in Sony a9 maybe you see that in Nikon but not Sony
Yepp, so true!
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A lot of inaccurate information here , some has been covered already in previous comments but also the EVF is useless for birds in flight because apart from the lag while it’s on it is always off and turns on only when you put your eye close to it. Bad thing is that by the time it starts to work the target will be long gone and you’ve missed the shot.
What good is it if I miss half the shots in a day’s shoot?
Thank you for your input Christos. Always appreciated.
Great tutorial....
Thank you Mamai, appreciate the support
The main advantage of mirrorless cameras? They are cheaper to produce and can be sold for more (due to marketing hype). This is money an industry suffering from shrinking sales numbers really needs. -- Advantages for the user? The EVFs need startup time and have a tiny monitor which can never compete with what the eye sees through optics of a pentaprism. They need focus peeking because otherwise you cannot see if the subject is in focus. To be fair: I have used both Panasonic and Fuji cameras and got great pictures from them. But the joy of taking pictures is just not there, they have annoyed me each and every time. As an amateur photographer I want to enjoy the experience of taking pictures, too -- not just the result.
Thanks a mil, good points!
Danielle
Blackout's are also evident in Mirrorless.
Yes in some they are.
I Love My Nikon Z7 and I came from a D3s and D 850
Battery life is not as good as standard Pro spec dslr cameras compared to say Canon 1dx Mark ii and Nikon D5 cameras. Lag on mirrorless cameras especially if you wear glasses can be annoying and contribute to eye strain compared to dslr. in say low light can be an issue. I used both Canon Mirrorless and Nikon Z6 and z7 camera at a night time international soccer matches here in Europe and noticed both mirrorless cameras weren't able to track as well as the Dslr cameras I brought along. I left the mirrorless cameras and used the dslr cameras to cover 3 nighttime games over 3 different events.Another point is the single card was an issue for me with no redundancy if a card was corrupted. The robustness of the mirrorless cameras doesnt auger well for environments can be tricky like dessert, snow or ice compared with dslr pro spec cameras.
Thanks NikCan. now I understand your moniker!!!!
@@PangolinWildlife good you like the name.
Finally, yes mirrorless is better for Wildlife, no, AF is not slower, people who think this are stuck with the old ideas. It hurts to change everything, but I did it 2 years ago and it was the best thing I made to step up my photography game.
Mirrorless AF is still developing and will eventually be as good as DSLR but not yet.
I've been running A7s next to my DSLRs and I'm usually disappointed....
Glad you brought this up! It is such a big debate. This was the first time I got my hands on a Nikon ML camera, I was pleasantly surprised by the AF...
@@roybixby6135 what camera are you comparing side by side, what is your Dslr ? Which version of the A7s ? I'm curious to know on what you base your comparison. On my side I started using mirrorless with a A7 II compared to a Nikon D7100, and honestly, my ratio on focus photo did went up a bit, but the A7 II is old, right now I use the a6400 w/200-600 and I barely miss a shot.
Olympus M1X, 40-150mm 2.8, MC-20 Extender. M1X will shortly have a Firmware Upgrade for Birds in Flight dedicated Tracking!
Why Not Decor looking forward to when that comes out! Might improve my hit rate!
I understand, MILC manufacturers are investing heavily to allure photographers towards that unnecessary toy.
canon eos r5
One more thing mirrorless sensor is more exposed to dust than DSLR
Good point. Thanks.
1. Weight/size does not matter. Typically the lenses you will be using for wildlife are much heavier.
2. Exposure in viewfinder....nice to have
3. Autofocus points...nice to have
4. Higher fps...very limited use compared to a 8-10fps dslr.
5. No blackouts...has never bothered me to be honest
You actually missed the most impprtant factor which is video.
If you shoot wildlife 40 hours per week professionally all little things matter. Otherwise a 700 usd dslr is more than sufficient.
Smaller and lighter for me is a disadvantage.
Some people seem to feel the same way. I guess it depends on a lot of factors - age, how much you travel (taking into account weight restrictions) etc etc.
-Danielle
Put the Variable ND filter to reduce your backlight when shooting video on daylight.
Yeah, we try our best, all new at the video-making thing. I don't own one of those but will keep it in mind thanks!
Lip synchronisation is completely out of phase.
I am a Nikon user but the mirrorless cameras by Nikon are getting left behind by Cannon and Sony as I comment.
The ecosystem is too often forgotten - The lens is still the most important part ...
Hi there, do you shoot with a DSLR? It's quite a competition indeed. Knew I was opening a can of worms by doing a video about mirrorless ;-)
Mostly Wrong...
1 - the size of the camera is insignificant compared to long lenses used in wildlife photography, more likely small means poorly balanced.
2 - Most new DSLRS also use liveview, For stills there is little difference.
3 - Only a few Mirrorless cameras have an abundance of preview points. And most wildlife is using spot anyway.
4 - Mirrorless cameras still seem to have a lower framerates. Especially if you need a shutter to trigger your flash.
5 - Blackouts - The only valid point - Hard to lose a subject, but is annoying.
Hi Rob, thanks. When travelling, every bit of weight that we can cut off counts. To me, the lighter body takes off enough weight to make a difference when hand-holding the setup. We also use wide angle lenses and shorter telephoto lenses often, which, in combination with a ML body, makes a big difference. As for live view, we hardly shoot on live view for wildlife and prefer to use the phase detection through the viewfinder. Live view may be a bit more accurate on some DSLRs but my preference on Nikon DSLRs is still phase detection. Please elaborate on your point 3? Are you referring to spot metering or single point autofocus?
I was referring to Single point Focus - or at least a very tight group...
Yes it's simple Physics...
check instagram @saedgrafics to see the results currently I'm using Sony a9 and two bodies and bodies of a7Rm4 with 100-440 400mm 600 do you think I invest this money for slow tracking .. someday I make safari with you
dont forget to mention the Z6 is a poor camera soon to be replaced. and dont forget to mention that the AF is horrible compared to a D850. i have reviews on my channel.
The Z6 is better at Video than stills - otherwise I'll take the D850 or a D500 anytime...
Hi Rob, I'll check it out thanks. Yeah, the Z6 has been around for a while. Got it lent to me so thought I'd try it out :-)
@@danielle-pangolinphotohost1005 must be amazing where you are. wish i could visit one day. ofcourse ill bring my D850 and D750 as backup. where i live the only dangerous animals are mosquitoes.
Your 5 points, 1 and 5 are valid points. 2,3, 4 are bogus points.