Why don't we wear Odins spear?
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- While Odin may be the principle deity in Norse mythology, it is Thors hammer that was worn in the viking age and is worn today. Why is Odins spear not worn widely but Thors hammer is?
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That’s why we wear the raven instead, to invoke Odins wisdom and gifts of speech
I am Norwegian. Tor's hammer is pretty common here. I wish people wore it for real reasons and especially fertility, as our birth rates have collapsed after covid
Well it’s time to make new Norwegian babies before with this crap from multiculturalism takes over your country
People do not want to have children during troubled times and trouble in there lands, Scandinavia has plenty of these problems now that must be resolved first. Secondly, there is a reason many are struggling with fertility in their prime worldwide from something they took, you will have to do your own reading and research on that but the information and research is there; that issue there is no easy or direct way to cure yet known
Your being replaced. All by design.
@@citomp1240 Shut uuuuuuuup it's literally not by design
Det er jeg enig i. Men folk har gjennom historien lagd flere barn enn normalt når det er "krisetider" men ikke nå. Det sier vel ganske mye om hvor infertile de fleste ble og har blitt. Hill Odinn🔪🐻❄️🇧🇻
I wear the spear only on Wednesday. With Odin, i try to focus more on seeking knowledge and wisdom and refining skills. I certainly don't want him to see me as a mighty warrior 😂
Wear a symbol of his eye he gave that up for knowledge. I rather like the spear, but we give that to bring war and conflict to who we gift it
Odin is seeker of knowledge. His name means breath. He is known for poetry (thought) and ferocity (passion). His spear strikes true and used when he made a sacrifice for greater understanding. He is thoughtful and kind, he observes and listens.
If I am to represent him by wearing his spear, I would remember his sacrifice, I would contemplate greater understanding.
Next you talk about Odin preface it with "I'm a Wiccan and I make shit up"
I personally do not agree with the points he makes about Odins Spear.
He needs to Read or Re Read the Havamal..
@@user-rx1ij8pi4jas this guy in the video is saying probably
And bros not wrong btw lol
@@Dovahkiin0117 Bros totally wrong in many things. Odin means nothing close to breath. Thoughtful and kind is nothing I would attribute to ANY norse god. And he does not JUST observe and listen.
Odin means Master of Od or Wod. Basically Vril.
A great comment and thanks. I'd rather wear Odin's spear as a sign of his one eyed wisdom as I am distantly relatedly to Nordics but essentially I'm half Indian and half Irish. PS Celebrating Nordic and Pagan culture is not racist or hateful. :)
You're 100% indoeuropean than matr
The Irish have a strong history of paganism as well as Nordic peoples in fact Celtic tribes have serious warrior blood the Romans couldn't take ireland. Plus Celtic blood is heavily Germanic tribes blood and Nordic blood is also mostly Germanic tribes when vikings raided England it was other settled danish people that occupied England they were raiding .paganism from great Brittain shares lots with Nordic paganism as our ancestors are linked in blood and culture
He is the Allfather, not the Somefather. You are equally his child (idk your gender) and you can belong if you just reach out
Hello from America. Thank you for the information. I'm an American exploring my heritage and roots.
I have and still will wear a spear for the Allfather, albeit not as regularly as I wear Mjolnir. One of my main inspirations for wearing the spear is its connection to Odin’s self sacrifice on Yggdrasil to obtain the knowledge of the runes. In this context I view it as a symbol of hard, painfully earned wisdom just as much as a weapon of war. That’s just my personal interpretation though, and I completely understand why many prefer the more protective symbology of Mjolnir.
After you asked yourself the question in long form, three times, in the first 1 minute and 20 seconds, I feel sure got the gist of the impending topic. Thanks for clarity!
I wish I had read your comment first. Total time suck 😂
Gungnir was also used to pierce Odin's side when he hung from the tree, from his blood supposedly came the Runes. So wisdom and/or magickal intuition perhaps can also be associated with Odin's spear.
If you invoke odin's weapons, I'm pretty sure it's implied you want him to show up and watch you die violently. He basically harvested souls wherever he went.
What if he sends you a black spear ?
Sounds metal af..
But that would be a reason enough for some people to wear it.
Nope Odin is just Jesus with an Eye Patch
He doesn't Just harvest souls...
@@user-rx1ij8pi4jWhat does Odin have to do with Jesus?
I dont know what its called but i saw a decorated axe head pendant it was pretty cool..im pretty sure its Celtic but im not sure either..i mean it looks Celtic..i saw a guy one day wearing it.. if anyone might be able to tell id appreciate it..id like to find one for purchase
You’re implying wars were never fought for good reasons
I believe what he was trying to say is that war, no matter for what it is fought is not a pleasant act and so that is why he avoids as many other people to wear Gungnir around his neck 👍🏻
@@balefire3874 pleasant and necessary are not the same.
@@Man_of_dirt that's true, still war isn't something we humans want so I think it's best to simply wear a Mjølnir around your neck, but anyone can do whatever he sees fit 👍🏻
he is a modern pagayn , anti-war , pro-equality and all the other modern shit
Just figured this channel out randomly. Thankful to found it. I will watch me through this channel's history now
An insightful question I hadn't thought to ask but now that you explain a clear reason it makes sense
an oath sworn on Odin's spear is inviolable and cannot be broken.. if you break your oath it will have dire consequences.
Man, this gave me shivers. I've dreamt about spears lately.
I have to start practicing my Ancestors spiritual ways more regularly again.
Hail Odin 🙏🏻👑🇸🇪
Well I do wear a Huginn/Muninn pendant with a nice glowing red stone in the middle. I'm more on the side of thought and wisdom. Ravens are probably the most intelligent and beautiful birds in the world.
I think it's the same reason why we don't wear Sif's hair, a folding boat, Ullrs skis, or the arrow that kills Baldur. I believe the ancient people understand that the value of Mjolnir was much more warranted to wear than the other Magic objects and weapons the other God's had. Thor is the protector of Midgard, so it's more common sense (havamal) that we use that sense to wear the tool Thor wields
Thanks so much for sharing
It depends on what you mean by "initiate battle". Some times it better to confront an issue head on than let it fester and take you down passively. Odin is mad and often it's in recognizing what's absurd about a person or situation that informs you how to deal with it. The spear as a symbol represents action, not literal battle or fighting or death.
I think that the spear does symbolise battle/fighting, whether literal or figuratively. The action the spear symbolises is the figurative battle. I can see how the spear could symbolise action however here we are talking about Odin's spear and so relates to the action of battle.
Excellent points.
Odin’s spear could also symbolize overcoming a difficult task. I have no idea if it ever meant that, but you wouldn’t want to wear something referring to a difficult task or battle all the time.
That's an interesting point and I wonder why you link Odin's spear to achieving a difficult task. In Volsunga saga Odin breaks Sigmunds sword in mid battle with his spear and Sigmund is then killed. I can see the spear as the task to overcome or the test.
Odin is the Creator. Thor is the Sustainer. If you want to create or begin something ... Odin. If you want protection and Sustainment ... Thor. Thor is the Hero. Odin is the frenzied energy of Creation. Thor is the one who protects, and the Hammer, which is a shamanic drum hammer, represents Him. So we wear His hammer. We want to emulate Thor, to invoke His assistance.
Agreed but I wear my spear in time of conflict court is one place I’ve worn it under my suit and I’ve went home every time
The Gods are real, my friends.
Thor is the God of the common man. You wear his hammer out of respect and for protection. Odin's spear is a powerful symbol and like many Norse symbols it should be held in reverence.
Interesting video. What about Valknut pendants? Why do you think that these also aren't worn as often as Thor's Hammers?
That's a good question, I'll contemplate this and maybe make another vid. Thanks
@@therideinmidgard As for the Valknut, three triangles interlocking. Three levels of awareness and each corner was one of the Nine Realms each being a human mental/emotional state of being.
Wo-tan, .. frenzy tree/evergreens of pine & spruce. " frenzier of the trees. "
Look up history of evergreen groves and wind break for herd livestock along with the uses you get from evergreens such as pine pitch and spruce tea. Oak ash makes lye for soap & fire starter, pinecones are great fuel.
Spear with cross guard, well as a country boy I used a spear for fruit picking, twig/branch cutting, and sticking the ground to turn the dirt like a garden spade. The cross guard is good to apply foot pressure to along with pull or carrying stuff with.
As for ritual sacrificing, there is a nerve cluster on the lower left side of the ribs if sharp pressure is applied it will cause a nerve reflex to yep and jump back. Hench stabbing Christ side. Blood only runs like water after a person been dead for a few hours and not a few minutes. Point is, that spot can cause a person to black out screaming in pain. Hench pain induce vision quest.
Weave pine branches into a Valknut and hang them from surrounding tree branches, time of day directions of sunlight/shadows along with spinning upside down staring up/down into the tree branches within a circle of stones. Yeah you start seeing trolls/fairies/ Fae.
If you have any problems within your subconscious get ready to meet them.
2.) History of circle and triangle magic.
a.) the five point star within a circle you have to Invite a spirit to deal with you.
b.) Triangle within a circle commands, intimidate, bully the spirit to your location. In short you just anger/piss off what you just called to yourself.
c.) Don't create a stone triangle and just call some random spirit without a protective circle.
Even just hanging woven branch ones and increase the .. creep factor .. spiritual balance of the land.
Good video.
I could understand a soldier in battle wearing it but otherwise I agree with what you’ve said.
Thank you, many people disagree with the points I made but I still think they hold up. It's good to have some people agree so I know I'm not way off.
A question slightly off topic but attempting to understand and this came across my feed nice channel
What about the Alshelm(helm of terror) would Milojir be sufficient or the helm for daily use? Let’s face it life is well life. Thank you for the knowledge and help reconnecting me with my roots❤
For connection to Thor and the Gods and ancestry Thor's hammers the symbol. For protection and other reasons well probably Thor's hammer again but possibly the helm of terror may also be useful.
As one who owns a gungnir pendant, I find it can be a boost to my intuition both inside of and outside of meditation. It has all 25 runes and the valknut as well. My interest lies in both that I am close to Odin, and the Gungnir's ability from the legends is that it always hits it's target. True, Odin is a god of war and death, however he is also a god of wisdom, poetry, as well as the lord of ecstasy. It's not all war and death with Odin.
I though you were going to say that it's too pointy, and we would poke holes in ourselves...
lol, thats a good point!
Amazing video brother, almost makes me want to wear my sword pendant more often that i crafted in dedication to Týr. 😊❤ hail!
Thanks brother. Out of curiosity, what does the sword pendant mean to you?
@@therideinmidgard from my own personal gnosis? Well of course undoubtedly courage,determination,to make sacrifices or hard choices and the will to carry on no matter the circumstances or obstacles I would face in life, but most importantly the sword unlike a spear or hammer can can have two sides sharp or blunt depending on the wielder, it reminds me/us to keep both sides sharpened and ready for any challenges the mundane world throws at me/us.
@@Bjorn_Algizi dig it!
@@Bjorn_Algiz that's beautiful
@@therideinmidgard thank you brother! 🙂
Here's a question, which came first.. Ulmo's axe or Thor's hammer?
Gungnir was said to always make anyone who touched it tell the truth- you know *sway* them into telling the truth.
Thor’s hammer might be older than Odin. We know that the double ax has been an important cultural symbol since at least the neolithic. I’ve heard people who study the Oera Linda say that Odin didn’t become a part of the pantheon of Norse Gods until later. Of course we don’t know sure. But Thor’s hammer and the strong man archetype may go back further than we think. Sometimes I think that the Löwenmensch figurine which dates back to the Ice Age might have connections Indra and Hercules wearing the skin of a lion. They wield clubs but essentially the blunt style weapon is the same for a hammer and a battle ax.
Thor is the defender of humanity. Thats why I think its the more popular one. But there is finds of amuletts whit bout Thors hammer, Frey's sickle and Odens spear
Another possibility why Mjolnir was the main symbol of the Norse Faith, was because in the old days it was Thor who was really the Chief God. I think in Snorri's Edda, there were records of Thor being originally the greater God. Certainly the chief God in many pantheons was the Storm God, or God of Thunder. Indra, Zeus, Jupiter, Perun, and so on. In ancient days, Odin might have had a far lesser position. He would seem to be the equivalent of Hermes and Mercury. But somewhere along the line he became the Chief God. This is, of course,, pure speculation on my part.
One thing I'll add, as a possibility, is this change might have come about, due, in part to a change in the calendar. The Norsemen used a five day week they called a Fimt. Tiw's was the first day, then Woden, then Thor, then Frigg; we are uncertain who occupied the fifth slot. What this meant, however, was that Thor was right in the central position, kind of like the keystone of an arch. But when the Judeo-Christian culture came in they brought their seven day week. With the days of the Sun and the Moon added, Woden's Day was now the Keystone of the Arch, and Thor was relegated to a secondary position. More speculation on my part but perhaps you might find it of use.
A fair point you make, the wide spread findings of Thor's hammers shows how significant of a deity Thor was, how central he was to the common people. Odin may have been more of a god of the warriors and Jarls.
Is there any historical sources for the Norse five day week? I have content on the old Norse calendar and I have not heard of a five day week.
@@therideinmidgard Not sure where I first came across the idea of the Fimt (might have been in one of Edred Thorsson's, or Freya Aswynn's books). But I quoted from, and posted a few links. Hope you find them useful.
"According to Prof. Munch, the Northmen originally divided the week into five days, the so-called Fimt (Fimth), the later hebdominal week having been borrowed, like the names of the days, from the south. The latter, in spite of their apparent northern character, are in point of fact mere adaptations of the names of the Roman deities Mars, Mercury, Jove and Venus, which reappeared in the old northern calendar as Ty, Odin, Thor, and Freja. Saturn alone failed to find a representative in this system of nomenclature, for to the genuine Northman it would seem that the lst day of the week could have no other designation than that of “Laugar-dag,” or “Thvott-dag,” washing or bathing day, and this name has been retained through the intervening ages, being the only one that escaped the ban of the Church, when a century after the establishment of Christianity an episcopal ordinance interdicted the application of the names of heathen Gods to the several days of the week, which were thenceforth known in accordance with their order of sequence, although Sunnudag and Manadag in course of time replaced the older designations of “First Day” and “Second Day.”
[This from www.nature.com/articles/028304a0.pdf
fæmt (OSw) fimt (ODan) fimmt (ON) fimt (ON) noun
This word - derived from the numeral fæm/fimm - was the usual term for a summons to appear in a certain place after five days, and for the meeting or gathering held at the expiration of five days. The fæmt was the usual notice, summons, or time limit in relation to judicial matters.
It is known from several Nordic provincial laws and even elsewhere (e.g. the Faroes). OSw fæmt was held five days after an assembly and fulfilled a function similar to a home summons (heimstefna, see hemstæmpnung) in Norway, where debts could be settled. In Iceland, this concept appears in Js and Jó.
There are reasons to believe that the fæmt was the length of a week in early Medieval Norway, and probably in all mainland Scandinavia. This rests, inter alia, on the length of the month, which was six weeks in the GuL (see Sunde 2011b, 224−25). It is not clear when the seven-day week was introduced in Scandinavia, but this probably took place before the introduction of Christianity. Nevertheless, the five-day week continued in use, esp. in matters of law and public business.
[This from www.dhi.ac.uk/lmnl/nordicheadword/displayPage/1608
Also some good information here shadowraven.net/calendar/norse.html
@@VOLKHVORONOVICH hmm interesting. So six weeks of five days gives a thirty day month, which is about one lunar cycle, so maybe. Twelve cycles of thirty days gives a 360 day year, so I can see this working. A leap year could add in the missing days. Thanks for that.
I think the Greek version of Odin - Thor would be Kronos - Zeus. Both significant in their own ways.
Ty or Tyr is the oldest and first great god.
"Spears sway" thats what she said
I've never likened Old Norse symbology with anything definitive. The concept of sympathetic magic and the intention behind it defines the meaning. I wear Mjǫllnir as a reminder of the weight of the decisions I make and their consequences, my form of sympathetic magic in regards to the strength required to lift and wield Mjǫllnir. Others may use it for fertility or marriage purposes, or, like your interpretation, for its representation of protection. I like your interpretation of Gungnir as a symbol invoking Oðinn through death and war, seen in acts of sympathetic magic in Old Norse warfare by (emulating Oðinn hurling his spear over the the Vanir) yelling "Oðinn à yðr alla" (Oðinn owns you all). Gungnir could be used in other forms of sympathetic magic through personal sacrifice, reflecting Oðinn's sacrifice to himself (sjálfur sjálfum mér) to learn the magic of the runes. However, I do **not** recommend reconstructing Oðinn's ritual.
Thor spent most of his time killing giants with his hammer. He had a sharp temper and tended to whip out his hammer and try to kill anything that annoyed him a bit. So to me, Thor's hammer seems to be a much more violent and warmongering symbol than Odin's spear. In the stories, there is only like twice that Odin uses his spear in battle. But Thor uses his hammer in almost every story.
True, but it isn't just a spear, it is Odin's spear as you said. Odin does not go around throwing his spear to stir up conflict and chaos. He wields it with temperance and control until the time comes to strike a decisive blow against a rising threat to peace and order. In a way then, it could be worn to signify that the wearer understands the time for peace and the time for war. We do live in a world of conflict unfortunately, so I don't mind being prepared to throw down the spear.
I take your point (pun) however I think that Thor's hammer symbolises that meaning more so than Odin's spear.
I wear Irminsul and Mjolnir together … one being representative of Wotan&others Thor… why not wear a Slepnir, or other symbol indicative of Odin … that being said , wear the appropriate talisman in accordance to what you’re trying to invoke … Huggin & Munin for wisdom, Gungnir for battle , etc.? Each talisman 🧿 has its place and purpose I think 🤔, just as the Volva and Vitki used magical implements and charms when practicing Siedr.
I do think there are actually spear pendants in archeological finds. I know Pollingtons book has some
I work with Thunor (the anglo saxon version of thor) and i never questioned it because thunor is seen as a protector deity that drives away elfe
knowing a bit about black smithing I've always interpreted Mjolnir as a representation of the human heart with the beating of the hammer being the heart beat and the strength of human vitality. to me it makes sense as he is not only the thunder God but the God of the common working ppl. I'm terrible at explaining myself so sorry if that makes no sense to you
I would rather wear a spearhead - because of the importance of fighting back against others (farmer's weapon) and hunting (food). Spears, axes and hammers, unlike swords, are not purely weapons of war
Well thought out, but one must never look past the sacrifices that the Allfather made in his pursuit of Knowledge, nor can one look past that Odin was generally regarded as a villain in a lot of the stories.
Not to mention the fact that any oath made upon the Spear could not be broken, that evokes some very powerful meaning to me, as a man is only as good as his word.
What would you wear to honor Loki?
Maybe a sythe or something that represents him cutting Siffs hair.
I have a tattoo of a sword, the hilt being Thors hammer sitting in front of the eternal knot, with a large dragon behind them all. To celibate my roots and the mythology of the old ways.
Imagine electro magnetic field. Two circles one gone clockwise the other one counterclockwise. in the center of this is the motion or a spear. It does make it sound actually when the energy flows through there. When I was younger, I imagined a pyramid with four round spheres turning from inside out and water shooting up from the top. It’s the flow of the universe.
One observation i'd dare to make is also that Wotan, in his priestly form, as the Spear Dancer or Shaman, the leader of ritual, would have presumably used his spear for sacrifices. Therefore one could assume being marked with his spear is being marked for sacrifice.
If you recall the verses of the havamal Odin did sacrifice himself with his spear in ritual sacrifice in which he discovered the secrets of the runes. So yes I would agree with you.
Odin does not spare himself to reach his goals why would he spare his people. The reason few declare for Odin is that he will then use you as hard as he does himself.
Because we are polytheists and Thor is the defender of the cosmic order and humanity. Odin is the power inside… we are not henotheists, they are supposed to be worshipped together
All the Aesir are a team
🤔I typically resonate w/ spears… It is also very Native American… However I associate them w/ protection & how they’ve been used for feeding your family. Question… What if we honor the spear as Fighting The Battle Within & The Death of Our Old Selves & Resurrecting Our Higher Vibrational Selves❓ There must be death for rebirth right? I’m curious to hear your thoughts🤗. Thank you for sharing this❣️
Some fair points you make. I might make some follow up content to address these questions. Odin speared himself in an act of death to discover the knowledge of the runes, so yes death and rebirth seems a valid meaning of the spear.
Makes sense. The ravens as a symbol make more sense for wisdom and such.
The spear is used in many cultures, lmk if you want another hint.
Is it a penis?
'Those who know, do not speak. Those who speak do not know.'
@@bobSeigar why do you speak then ?
@@Hadrada. Those were not my words, your attempt at humiliation has backfired.
@@bobSeigar it’s not a competition what’s your point?
For me, going the way of the Norse Gods was never about joining any kind of collective (I'm a Norse Pagan now so I'm going to do what all the other Norse Pagans do.") No, it was always an individual path.What was important about it was what it meant to me. It was Odin whom I was drawn to; Thor, not so much. It was Odin's mysteries I found myself plumbing. I haven't worn an Odin's Spear, but I think I may start doing just that. This is my choice, and I hold nothing against those who wear the Hammer. I won't do it because I'm trying to invoke death, or anything similar. If that's what the Spear suggests to others, let them stay sway from it. In any case, i enjoyed this video very much. I certainly never knew that was the meaning of Gungnir's name!
Casting a spear over your opponent(s) was offering them as a sacrifice to Odhinn'.
No, I agree Thor and his hammer represent prosperity. I mean yes battle and protection, but also prosperity peace hope for a better future hammer is not only weapon but a tool to build with.
Huh i did not know this
🙂👍🙋♂️🇧🇻
Interesting
I wear both
Another reason the Gungnir Spear would fit me better than the Hammer, is that finding my own particular path has always seemed to be a struggle. It's like I had to fight to stake out my place in any alternate Faith. It is not that I sought war, but I, more than a few times had people telling me that I, say, couldn't mix traditions. I tried telling this one woman that Heimdall, with his gold teeth, sacred animal the ram, god of beneficial fire, and offspring of multiple mothers, was pretty darn the same thing as the Hindu god, Agni, of whom those four things were also true. She staunchly held to the tradition, that Asatru sprung out of a vacuum and had no connection to any other religion, or mythology. But she was ex-Mormon, so I guess that makes sense. Ironically, it was a fellow from Iceland, whose family had worshiped the gods for centuries, that sided with me, rather than her.
Do you know what the spear really is? Do you think it could be something else? Thors hammer is mankind’s heartbeat and the forge masters tool but what really is the spear? I have the answer.
Let us know, that's the point of the content to explore the meanings.
Let us know then
I think the hammer has killed more than the spear.. 😅
Blunt Hammer pendant v. Pointy Spear pendant.
Plus, Thor loves Midgard... Odin loves all Nine Realms. Odin is more likely to "take" a worthy man in battle... perhaps by misfortune.
talking about death, how many lives did thor take with mjolnir? sounds like your picking and choosing.
Thor with his hammer killing giants represents protecting the world from destruction and chaos, thus maintaining life and order!
haha are you using a sock as a pop filter? Like a sock you wear on your feet?
lol yep you caught me, works a charm.
I use a nylon stocking. It works. I tossed the Blue wind screen.
I think the reason we wear mjolnir is similar to the reasons the christians wear a cross. Sure the cross symbolises their patrons sacrifice, but the cross most of all shows that the bearer is a christian. Meanwhile the mjolnir symbolises strenght, peace etc. it also clearly indicates that the bearer is a norse pagan. Wearing a symbol of a tree or a raven doesnt really indicate any spritual belief the bearer has, but everyone knows exactly what belief the mjolnir symbolises same as the cross.
Spears can be made by the hammer.
Someone gave me a thumbs up so that’s tells me your curious. Here is another hint, it does exist but it is invisible.
Is it our perception?
Purpose or intent.
@@Hadrada. Orion holds the spear... Other cultures change the spear into a bow and club and ect ect. If you research the wild hunt in other cultures, you will be amazed at the similarities.♣♣♣♣♣
I only wear it because it looks cool and gothic. I don’t believe in a poor recreation of a dead religion, but I do think the little symbols look pretty badass.
I wear both the spear and the hammer.
Odin specifically was an entity that had a specific association with high born people, so therefore, not widely worn or associated with commoners.
I agree with this point but with respect it seems to me that it begs the question. Why was Odin not associated with low born people, why was Odin associated with high born people? The answer seems to me because of the warlike attributes of the gods and his symbols. Therefore, people would not wear not only as a marker of class but of the meaning of the symbol itself.
Furthermore, many people think highly of themselves and would want to wear a symbol associated with high class, yet they do not, why?
@@therideinmidgard he was associated with the high born because his inception is by far the oldest of the north pantheon going back to the Bronze Age, only the high born were taught his knowledge in rites specifically reserved for the high born.
Because it looks like a shark tooth
In Völuspá Odin throws A spear to start the Aesir Vanir war. But it was never stated it was Gungnir. In Skáldskaparmál the Sons of Ivaldi forge Gungnir for Odin and Skíðblaðnir for Freyr, who is Vanir. This means those events must have taken place well after the war. At the time of the war Odin could not have been in the possession of an item that did not exist yet. It couldn't have been Gungnir!
Odin throwing the spear to initiate the Aesir Vanir war illustrates the symbolism of the spear and also of Odin's nature. Odin threw a spear, whether it was gungnir or another spear it's still Odins spear!
I'm not sure how you have arrived at the conclusion that gungnir must have been forged after the Aesir Vanir war, I don't see the logical conclusion. Mythology in my opinion is symbolic not linear, and so your point about the chronology of time in the myths seems to me mistaken.
With that said, this is just my opinion and I appreciate your contribution to the content.
@@therideinmidgard You are right about Morse mythology failing on chronology. Ragnarok is a good example. Everything about it is told in past tense, as if it has already happened. But all other saga's are told as if they are present day. And the Norse were all still preparing to ascent to Valhal and join the Einherjar.
I think it is more because Thor was the God that was most worshiped by the common people. Odin was more of a feared symbol, and venerated moreso by the ruling class. It was mostly Thor, but also Freyr and Tyr to some degree, depending on the region, that had more worshipers than Odin. So when Christianity encroached upon the North, as a reaction the the symbolism of Christian Cross, it is logical that Thor's Hammer was the symbol used by those who chose to remain following the Old Ways. Regarding today, I think most people just want historical authenticity as a method of validation in face of our overwhelmingly Abrahamic society...and thus choose Mjolni rather than Gungnir or another "Heathen" symbol.
I agree with your comment but with respect it seems to me that you are begging the question. Why was Thor the most worshipped in the Viking age by the common people? Why was Odin worshipped by elites? I have answered these questions in the video.
Well yeah, in terms of the symbolism of Mjolnir and Gungnir, but you didn't quite address or at minimum emphasize the disparity between the number of followers of Thor vs Odin. Therein lies the most obvious answer to the original question you proposed, and least historically, as to why people wore Mjolnir rather than Gungnir. I agree with just about everything in your video, especially the implied symbology of these objects as you describe it - but you invited participation and commentation, and I'm just adding the element that the majority of the population worshiped Thor (for the reasons you mentioned), not Odin, and thus the selection of Mjolnir as a symbol seems obvious and likely. Thanks.@@therideinmidgard
Maybe we shouldn’t think of a spear as weapon but a flow of a direction from one world to the next.
This is the vision that came to me just now
Cause invented in XVII ies , no spears used bro
What do you mean
Because he was a bit of a knob. Wise, sure. But also capricious, self-absorbed and, well, a ballsack.
Thor was a bit more relatable, and attentive, to the common folk
Maybe its not as commonly made?
Why is it not as commonly made?
@@therideinmidgard I said Maybe its not. I was just hazarding a guess. Maybe it's commonly made?
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Thor's hammer is in all cases a weapon. So if that's your argument against Odin's spear, then you shouldn't wear it either. Also Thor is essentially a warrior, whereas Odin is a bunch of things. Maybe you should wear Odin's travelling hat.
They may be both weapons but Mjolnir is not really a weapon of warfare in the same way gungnir appears. Hammers were not even really used in battle. Different symbols and meanings so...
because thor was the god of workers, and othinn was a god of royals and warriors.
Yes I agree with your answer, however I also think there is a bit more to it that that. There were many many warriors during the Viking age yet Odin's spear wasn't widely worn. There are many people who are attracted to Asatru and heathenry because of the warrior Gods/ warrior spirit and because they identify themselves as warriors, yet still few wear Odin's spear.
Furthermore, why is Odin a god of warriors and Thor a god of the people? I think it's because of the attributes of protection and strength vs war/aggression/fury. So, it seems to me that people wear Thor's hammer and not Odin's spear for this reason.
Thanks for the comment, I kinda wish I'd included it in the content.
Speak for yourself 😎
The spear represents the seeking of knowledge.
I will wear the Mjolnir when I can press twice my bodyweight.
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He is a god of the thief, the liar, the hanged man, the desperate, the mad. Those with nothing, or everything to lose. He was not a god of the everyman by any means, he was not a kind god or loving god. He may have tested you just to see what your made of and how you'd react.
Thor on the other hand is guardian and protector of our realm. He is the loyal father, brother, and son. A good husband, a person good to embrace and seek help from.
There is a misunderstanding that just because in the literary tradition that has been preserved, Odin is the chief god, does not actually mean that we was the primary object of worship and veneration. Thor would have been much more so, and Freyr for fertile harvests and good kings/cheifs, Tyr for justice and protection in war. Odin is a god most people wouldn't want the attention of.
Absolutely… the morons in Hollyweird have turned Wotan into a lovely fat Jovial god like Dyonisis who’s sits around drinking and merrymaking, when in reality that isn’t the case at all ! Spot on ! I think they need to read the texts and the words of the High one himself! Cheers 🧙♂️🇨🇦🔱🐲🐉❄️
Because he's a backwoods forest goblin who sold out his followers at every turn and only ever worked in his own self interest?
Also he is owned by Disney lmfao
That's actually an interesting point, maybe people do not trust in Odin but feared him and so would not wear his spear.
I wear a Neck Knife every chance I get. I am okay with all of your religious symbols. My God tells me to be practical. NOH8.
The spear was not thrown in battle. Arrows would be the first weapons launched. Spears were used in hand to hand combat mostly. At least the type of spear we associate Odin's Gungnir with. Not to say Odin didn't throw his spear, but your symbolism of battle I question. I think your explanation of Thor's Hammer symbolizing Defending our people is more accurate.
Spears were thrown in battle, Julius Caesar and Tacitus wrote of the ancient Germanic tribes throwing their spears to begin battle. The Romans called their throwing spears Javlins.
If the spear does not symbolise battle then what?
Why Thor’s hammer and rather a than Odin’s spear….. Marvel? Thor has been popular since the 60s. His comics as well as the TV animated show. We are products of popular culture wither we wish we o admit it or not.
Yea but there has been many hammer found not Odin spears from the past
I think he was referring to not perhaps now as much as to entire history?
Not true, many examples of ancient necklaces depicting the a hammer or even older axes have been found where germanic peoples are
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