I recalled, as Irene was talking about these seemingly involuntary movements, what I have seen often (enough) - 'bouncing foot syndrome', where someone's foot will repetitively bounce up and down at the heel. There's a sense that the person very much needs to 'get going'. More puzzling personally was a regular but infrequent strong muscular pain in my legs I experienced in post-toddler, pre-teen years. It wasn't just me - in fact they were referred to in the community, in want of any medical diagnosis, as "growing pains". In an age (just post-war) where children were often obliged to be still to comply with contemporary social morés , I now see a plausible explanation for these unpleasant aches.
great talk Irene, so clear, thankyou, I recognize by myself rests of chronic muscular tension, and I am experiencing how I need and seek spontanious moving, dancing, space etc.
You just explained more about the roots and perpetuation of my chronic illness that ended up putting me in a wheelchair, then I have ever seen in one video. I have to watch this again, because so many pennies were dropping I stopped listening at times. If I wanted to find a practitioner or therapist to take this inquiry further with me and, and help me with identifying and moving out the trapped stuff in my body… Who would I be searching for? I am one year into my own self designed recovery program. Two years ago I couldn’t walk, now I’m walking a little over a mile, three times a week. It’s a freaking miracle. Thank you so much for sharing this, and explaining it so simply. Volume was a little low btw.
Hi WTF Happened To Me, Jen here from Team Lyon. It's great to hear that you found this video so informative and amazing that you're walking has improved in such a significant way! As far as looking for a practitioner goes, you're looking for a nervous system trained practitioner. Often these may be Somatic Experiencing practitioners, some Feldenkrais practitioners are also trained in this work. If you believe you have early trauma, then you want to make sure that the practitioner has specific training in early/developmental trauma. I'll link to a related video of Irene's and to a few sites where you might look for a practitioner. How to Find a Good Somatic Practitioner - th-cam.com/video/04XF7ANnqGk/w-d-xo.html Team Lyon (some may be accepting new clients) - irenelyon.com/meet-the-team/ Somatic Experiencing Practitioner Directory - directory.traumahealing.org/practitioners-listing/ Co-Regulating Touch - coregulatingtouch.com Feldenkrais Method Practitioner Directory - feldenkrais.com/practitioner-search/
Hi, I don't know if you know about the Emotion Code / Body Code (Dr. Bradley Nelson), but it's a modality worth trying along with whatever you are already doing to recover, it's an energy approach that helps with the releasing of body stress / trapped emotions / survival energy, and it can help A LOT. Wish you the best!
Thank you for this video. What started as restless leg went to myoclonus (restless leg 24 hours). Some times it's so bad I have seizures. It's the reason I did your 21 day program. Which was a blessing. I keep reviewing your "basics" . I am hopeful
thabk u so fkn much for these videos you are changjng my life and so many others i hope everyone in need finds your videos and you get the support you need 💘💘
I've suffered so much with restless legs and not only, restless body for vast majority of my life, in fact I was having a particularly tough moment right now and I realized you posted this video yesterday and started watching it right away. I'd even predict that restless legs can be a part of it, but it can be more exacerbated version of it like Rythmic Movement Disorder.
As you were talking about tics in relation to threat response, it made me think of a friend and wonder if her "habit" of releasing short laughs while talking is one of these tics. She has a very strong reaction to people who are angry, and these little hiccups of laughter seem to be a way of forestalling anger or negative judgement. The same with her propensity for smiling all the time. I'm going to watch some of your videos on anger as a positive and healthy response to some situations and maybe share them with her. I have dealt with suppressed anger myself and, in my opinion, my friend's suppressed anger is causing some of her health problems. Thanks for your videos, Irene.
Thanks for sharing Christine! Seth here with Team Lyon. Yes, compulsive smiling and little eruptions of laughter like you describe could definitely be considered a form of tic, though they are generally not emerging directly from incomplete procedural memory, they are more like a form of management and self-suppression, and yes this is very often connected to repressed anger.
Hi Beautiful Irene! I hope you are wonderfully well! SBSM '21 alumni here. Thank you for another wonderful video! I've noticed something and wanted to share- practitioners (medical and alternative) ONLY talk about cortisol in response to stress. They describe and teach about cortisol in place of adrenaline. We know that adrenaline is what mobilises the body, and its the one that creates the most corrosive damage if left pumping continuously. Do you have a take on why they have such a fixation on cortisol and adrenaline doesnt even get a mention, ever? It's ONLY nervous system/somatic practitioners that describe correctly, the rest are just "coasting" off borrowed wisdom it seems.
Do you have any videos on health anxiety? I had cancer 10 years ago and never got therapy back then after I was in remission I assumed I’m fine I didn’t need to talk to anyone . Fast forward 10 years later and I had TMS(tension myositis syndrome) and my repressed emotions started bringing out physical pain. First was ear canal eczema, then tmj and wore a splint for 4 months then stopped that went to upper cervical chiropractor and was told severe c1 misalignment and went there 7 months never got better. Then read king Sarno book and started believe all my pain in psychological after having tons of doc visits and mri , lab work says I’m normal . So now I’m in therapy only but all these issues made me realize I have bad health anxiety amongst ptsd , trauma from childhood , cancer and current life, and generalized anxiety for tons of things. Social , fears, life, relationships, ect…..
Nicole Mifsud, Jen here from Team Lyon. I don't believe Irene has any videos specifically on healthy anxiety and form a nervous system perspective, health anxiety is like any other type of anxiety in that it indicates a high level of sympathetic nervous system (SNS) activation present in the nervous system. Taking steps to grow nervous system regulation helps to change this over time. I'll link to a few related resources in case you'd like to learn more. free Healing Trauma video training - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma Irene Lyon on Rewiring Your Nervous System to Overcome Anxiety & Trauma - anxietypodcast.com/podcast/2015/12/21/tap-039-irene-lyon 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com/
Always tapped my legs in school and still do as an adult and I literally got it so much trouble in school as a child, they kicked me out for being “disruptive” and started a spiral low self esteem issues. I was a super bright kid with a chaotic home life, and unfortunately the school system did not see me as in need of support but rather a “problem”
Have you made a video about NDE (Near Death Experience)? If not, please do a video on it, and how it disrupts the nervous system, and possible treatments or responses to manage it. Working with NDE in SE, is different than treating overt traumas, or neglect. I would love to know what is different in SE practice for NDE. There isn’t much information available for it.
@@ritaevergreen7234 vast subject. I suggest you look it up! Fascinating stuff. Not sure how this could be linked up to trauma response, as it generally seems to lead to a release. Unless the person keeps it to themselves without being able to share or make sense of it. In my understanding, that is, cause I never had one. On you tube you find several channels that collect testimonies. Or look up Anita Moorjani. Or Dr. Eben Alexander.
Hi Yira Varga, Jen here from Team Lyon. You are correct, Peter Levine does offer a Master Class where he teaches practitioners how to work with NDEs and states induced by anesthesia. I'll pass your request along to Irene.
@@IreneLyon Thanks! My current SEP has just started learning about NDE, and is aware of that master class, but is unable to afford it, or reach it. Both, me and her, are trying to reach out to community of anyone we know, for educational resources on NDE and how to work with it in SE (along with many other modalities).
This description adds very helpful Insight to my PTSD and GAD symptoms (and, the MDD/SI symptoms that I feel are secondary, following necessarily with the first, as my over weaning sense of responsibility to protect, mostly my kids, has historically compelled me to STAY in familial environments, such as 26 year marriage, when every fiber of my being was screaming "Get OUT!!!"). Understanding the mechanism better, however, still fails to show me the way out of the internal prison, even though I am finally out of the marriage and in No Contact with the larger family unit. The rub? If the entire family explains my absence as "proof" that I am the weak link/damaged goods...who am I to claim otherwise? What leg do I have to stand upon when my experience is refuted by the many, and when "witness gathering" is the primary basis of "fact making" per the Scientific Method? And when my attempts at describing my experience are characterized as "tangential" in Western medicine, further "proving" my damaged goods "status." What "choice" is there, but freeze state, hopelessness, SI?
I relate very much to what you say. My process has led me to someone who teaches methods to regulate the nervous system. Her methods are based on Polyvagal Theory and Attachment Theory. There are ways to get out of Freeze (an equal combination of Sympathetic and Dorsal states) and hopelessness (Dorsal).
Hi Pamela, Seth here with Team Lyon. As someone who has experienced similar things in family situations, I would say that the way out is not giving a shit what anyone else in that system thinks, and standing strong in your truth and authenticity. When we are firm in our understanding of ourselves, when you 'know thyself' as the ancient Greeks urged us to, we no longer require validation from any outside source, and we also attract those that resonate with our authenticity. Very often, it takes a significant amount of good trauma work to get there.
I'm a clinical psychologist and I've never really understood why reactions (such as to jump for saving one's feet from a knife) get STORED UP? Why isn't the nervous system clever enough to, for example, register that the knife didn't hit me / I'm save now / nervous system can let go from the reaction?
iAmYouAreWe, Jen here from Team Lyon. The nervous system is often wise enough to register that the knife didn't hit you and move through the experience in the moment. It's when trauma is involved - when what happen is more than we have the capacity to effectively move through in the moment - that a survival response/procedural memory gets stored.
Thank you! This is the video that I desperately needed tonight. I’ve been stuck back with previously treated ptsd symptoms. No matter what I try ( meds, weighted blanket, warm bath/milk, no screen time before bed {plus at least 20 other ideas})but my body just won’t let me sleep at night. ( Currently 4:15am ) I’ve been extremely stuck in obsessive hypervigilance and your content has been such a help. I’m going to try to save up to take your courses, are any of them subsidized by chance? Blessing
Hi Godpleaseloveme, Jen here from Team Lyon. It's great to hear that Irene's content has been a help. Not sleeping can be tough. I'll link to a few resources that you might try to see how your system responds. It can be helpful to practice during the day too when stress levels may be lower. And I don't believe there are currently any subsidies, and you can reach out to support@irenelyon.com and they'll be able to confirm. DIY: Ancient Anxiety Medicine - th-cam.com/video/0ICsbXUCKmM/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgzKvm65Pqe9xARznlN4AaABAg 4 Surprisingly Simple Steps to Calm Overwhelm - irenelyon.com/4-steps-to-calm-overwhelm/
Hi American Girl, Jen here from Team Lyon. The short answer is that we need to give the procedural memory the chance to express and complete. In practice this can be pretty nuanced. For example, we often need to first grow nervous system capacity and the ability to sense sensations, impulses (and more) arising in the body. When the movement associated with the procedural memory starts to express, we may also need to need to work with it in specific ways that may involve slowing it down, taking it a piece at time, listening to what wants to happen, and more. Irene provides related education and practice in her online course and program, the 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up and SmartBody SmartMind. I'll link to them in case you want to check them out. 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com SmartBody SmartMind - smartbodysmartmind.com
I have labour upcoming in four weeks , I’ve experienced birth trauma and I’m worried my body will override my birth plan how can I ensure I stay in flow rather than freeze up ! I don’t want to spend years healing this again !
Katie - Mara here with Team Lyon. If you can ensure that you have supportive people around you for the birth, that's super helpful. Consider a labor doula, or a conversation with your birth team about what you need to feel supported. You still have time to set this up to feel safe going into the birth. Good luck!
Hi Irene. I wonder what age group is considered childhood trauma? I experienced very traumatic things at 13, and have had a whole lot if symptoms since then. Is that childhood trauma?
I born ill and on the first 2 years of my life there was a lot of exams, injections and so on my mother tell me that it got to the point that when I see a nurse I stop my breathing to the point of getting blue the everyone forgets about the the injection the test and deal with the lack of breathing, this end up when a doctor came in and told the nurse to proceed what she was going to do and ignore the lack of breading and I the start to cry. Shot down reaction, might there be a procedural memory saved due to this situation?
Hi Maria Elisa Espino, Jen here from Team Lyon. Yes, there may well be a procedural memory (or memories) related to this early experience. Experiences such as you describe early in life also often lead to what we call early/developmental trauma. Irene talks about this in her free Healing Trauma video training in case you'd like to learn more. free Healing Trauma video series - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
I usually feel nauseous and sick when I’m feeling grounded, and I feel like I wanna escape, everything feels overwhelming although everything is ok around me and I’m safe. Why is this happening ?
Hi Victoryismine, Jen here from Team Lyon. With trauma, there can often be nervous system activation and held survival responses under the surface. Sometimes when we ground, or turn attention inward, we can become aware of this held survival energy in the body. We can be experiencing signals of threat in response to what we've been through in the past, even when we are objectively safe in the present. If you haven't yet seen Irene's free Healing Trauma video training, you might check it out. free Healing Trauma video training - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
Kathy Miller, I believe Irene is referring to this video with Peter Levine and his work with Ray, a veteran with PTSD. th-cam.com/video/bjeJC86RBgE/w-d-xo.html
Hi Kathy Miller, Jen here from Team Lyon. As Ella mentioned, here's the link to where you can see a video of Peter working with Ray. Irene also has the link in the video links above. ► Sample Demonstration of Ray and Peter Levine. th-cam.com/video/bjeJC86RBgE/w-d-xo.html
I have severe restless legs wakes me up not that I sleep much but I wake with this plus breathlessness and shaking how do I get rid ov this I'm on medication for anxiety helped a lot but can't get rid ov these symptoms I feel I can't go on like this I can't function especially the shaking and weak legs
Hi Pamela, Seth here with Team Lyon. What you are experiencing is fight/flight energy in the legs - they are wanting to run, to get away from a perceived danger that isn't actually happening now. It's the same thing with the experience we label as anxiety - that is an unresolved fight/flight survival charge that still thinks there is danger in the environment. There are various ways that we work with this survival energy, and It sounds like it would be good for you to first learn more about the nervous system and how trauma affects it overall, and also to learn the basics of working with the nervous system, and develop some capacity for tolerating these sensations. The thing is, in this work we don't want to 'get rid' of these sensations and activations, we want to understand them, welcome them, and learn to work with them, so that they can transform. You can look at it like this - those restless legs are a representation of the younger you who was very scared at some point, or maybe often. When that energy arises, it is like that younger you is trying to come through and find resolution. So by being angry or scared or wanting the experience to go away, you are essentially telling that part of yourself, that scared child, to go away. This generally won't lead to healing. I highly recommend getting into this work! The best way to start is with Irene's 21 Day Nervous System Tuneup, or if you can find a good practitioner, then doing private work. www.nstuneup.com/ th-cam.com/video/04XF7ANnqGk/w-d-xo.html
Can an intense urge to supress be a procedural memory? Like i constantly want to suck the emotions down as of i am wanting to come up for air. How would I go about something like this.
Hello, Sophia from Team Lyon here. Here is what Irene has previously said about procedural memories th-cam.com/video/6IAmksWXn8o/w-d-xo.html I hope this helps but please feel free to reach out to our support inbox with any further questions.
I recalled, as Irene was talking about these seemingly involuntary movements, what I have seen often (enough) - 'bouncing foot syndrome', where someone's foot will repetitively bounce up and down at the heel. There's a sense that the person very much needs to 'get going'.
More puzzling personally was a regular but infrequent strong muscular pain in my legs I experienced in post-toddler, pre-teen years. It wasn't just me - in fact they were referred to in the community, in want of any medical diagnosis, as "growing pains".
In an age (just post-war) where children were often obliged to be still to comply with contemporary social morés , I now see a plausible explanation for these unpleasant aches.
I really appreciate your hard work.
great talk Irene, so clear, thankyou,
I recognize by myself rests of chronic muscular tension, and I am experiencing how I need and seek spontanious moving, dancing, space etc.
You just explained more about the roots and perpetuation of my chronic illness that ended up putting me in a wheelchair, then I have ever seen in one video. I have to watch this again, because so many pennies were dropping I stopped listening at times.
If I wanted to find a practitioner or therapist to take this inquiry further with me and, and help me with identifying and moving out the trapped stuff in my body… Who would I be searching for?
I am one year into my own self designed recovery program. Two years ago I couldn’t walk, now I’m walking a little over a mile, three times a week. It’s a freaking miracle.
Thank you so much for sharing this, and explaining it so simply. Volume was a little low btw.
Hi WTF Happened To Me, Jen here from Team Lyon. It's great to hear that you found this video so informative and amazing that you're walking has improved in such a significant way!
As far as looking for a practitioner goes, you're looking for a nervous system trained practitioner. Often these may be Somatic Experiencing practitioners, some Feldenkrais practitioners are also trained in this work. If you believe you have early trauma, then you want to make sure that the practitioner has specific training in early/developmental trauma.
I'll link to a related video of Irene's and to a few sites where you might look for a practitioner.
How to Find a Good Somatic Practitioner - th-cam.com/video/04XF7ANnqGk/w-d-xo.html
Team Lyon (some may be accepting new clients) - irenelyon.com/meet-the-team/
Somatic Experiencing Practitioner Directory - directory.traumahealing.org/practitioners-listing/
Co-Regulating Touch - coregulatingtouch.com
Feldenkrais Method Practitioner Directory - feldenkrais.com/practitioner-search/
@@IreneLyon thank you ♥
Hi, I don't know if you know about the Emotion Code / Body Code (Dr. Bradley Nelson), but it's a modality worth trying along with whatever you are already doing to recover, it's an energy approach that helps with the releasing of body stress / trapped emotions / survival energy, and it can help A LOT. Wish you the best!
@@juliaagata7170 thank you I really appreciate this!
Anxiety is stored survival response to fight/flight. Boom!
This is the best example of this whole issue.
Thank you for this video. What started as restless leg went to myoclonus (restless leg 24 hours). Some times it's so bad I have seizures. It's the reason I did your 21 day program. Which was a blessing. I keep reviewing your "basics" . I am hopeful
thabk u so fkn much for these videos you are changjng my life and so many others i hope everyone in need finds your videos and you get the support you need 💘💘
I've suffered so much with restless legs and not only, restless body for vast majority of my life, in fact I was having a particularly tough moment right now and I realized you posted this video yesterday and started watching it right away. I'd even predict that restless legs can be a part of it, but it can be more exacerbated version of it like Rythmic Movement Disorder.
I feel this. I'm trying EMDR to try and change.
As you were talking about tics in relation to threat response, it made me think of a friend and wonder if her "habit" of releasing short laughs while talking is one of these tics. She has a very strong reaction to people who are angry, and these little hiccups of laughter seem to be a way of forestalling anger or negative judgement. The same with her propensity for smiling all the time. I'm going to watch some of your videos on anger as a positive and healthy response to some situations and maybe share them with her. I have dealt with suppressed anger myself and, in my opinion, my friend's suppressed anger is causing some of her health problems.
Thanks for your videos, Irene.
Your friends reactions are exactly the same as I had for many many years, so yes, in my view you are understanding is on point.
Thanks for sharing Christine! Seth here with Team Lyon. Yes, compulsive smiling and little eruptions of laughter like you describe could definitely be considered a form of tic, though they are generally not emerging directly from incomplete procedural memory, they are more like a form of management and self-suppression, and yes this is very often connected to repressed anger.
Hi Beautiful Irene! I hope you are wonderfully well! SBSM '21 alumni here. Thank you for another wonderful video!
I've noticed something and wanted to share- practitioners (medical and alternative) ONLY talk about cortisol in response to stress. They describe and teach about cortisol in place of adrenaline. We know that adrenaline is what mobilises the body, and its the one that creates the most corrosive damage if left pumping continuously. Do you have a take on why they have such a fixation on cortisol and adrenaline doesnt even get a mention, ever? It's ONLY nervous system/somatic practitioners that describe correctly, the rest are just "coasting" off borrowed wisdom it seems.
Do you have any videos on health anxiety? I had cancer 10 years ago and never got therapy back then after I was in remission I assumed I’m fine I didn’t need to talk to anyone . Fast forward 10 years later and I had TMS(tension myositis syndrome) and my repressed emotions started bringing out physical pain. First was ear canal eczema, then tmj and wore a splint for 4 months then stopped that went to upper cervical chiropractor and was told severe c1 misalignment and went there 7 months never got better. Then read king Sarno book and started believe all my pain in psychological after having tons of doc visits and mri , lab work says I’m normal . So now I’m in therapy only but all these issues made me realize I have bad health anxiety amongst ptsd , trauma from childhood , cancer and current life, and generalized anxiety for tons of things. Social , fears, life, relationships, ect…..
Nicole Mifsud, Jen here from Team Lyon. I don't believe Irene has any videos specifically on healthy anxiety and form a nervous system perspective, health anxiety is like any other type of anxiety in that it indicates a high level of sympathetic nervous system (SNS) activation present in the nervous system. Taking steps to grow nervous system regulation helps to change this over time.
I'll link to a few related resources in case you'd like to learn more.
free Healing Trauma video training - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
Irene Lyon on Rewiring Your Nervous System to Overcome Anxiety & Trauma - anxietypodcast.com/podcast/2015/12/21/tap-039-irene-lyon
21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com/
Very good video, Irene!!!
Always tapped my legs in school and still do as an adult and I literally got it so much trouble in school as a child, they kicked me out for being “disruptive” and started a spiral low self esteem issues. I was a super bright kid with a chaotic home life, and unfortunately the school system did not see me as in need of support but rather a “problem”
Have you made a video about NDE (Near Death Experience)? If not, please do a video on it, and how it disrupts the nervous system, and possible treatments or responses to manage it. Working with NDE in SE, is different than treating overt traumas, or neglect. I would love to know what is different in SE practice for NDE. There isn’t much information available for it.
Can you elaborate more on what a near death expirence is?
@@ritaevergreen7234 vast subject. I suggest you look it up! Fascinating stuff. Not sure how this could be linked up to trauma response, as it generally seems to lead to a release. Unless the person keeps it to themselves without being able to share or make sense of it. In my understanding, that is, cause I never had one. On you tube you find several channels that collect testimonies. Or look up Anita Moorjani. Or Dr. Eben Alexander.
Hi Yira Varga, Jen here from Team Lyon. You are correct, Peter Levine does offer a Master Class where he teaches practitioners how to work with NDEs and states induced by anesthesia. I'll pass your request along to Irene.
@@IreneLyon Thanks! My current SEP has just started learning about NDE, and is aware of that master class, but is unable to afford it, or reach it. Both, me and her, are trying to reach out to community of anyone we know, for educational resources on NDE and how to work with it in SE (along with many other modalities).
Thank u so much for this information
Thanks for the video.
Aha! Some very interesting information. Thank you!
This description adds very helpful Insight to my PTSD and GAD symptoms (and, the MDD/SI symptoms that I feel are secondary, following necessarily with the first, as my over weaning sense of responsibility to protect, mostly my kids, has historically compelled me to STAY in familial environments, such as 26 year marriage, when every fiber of my being was screaming "Get OUT!!!"). Understanding the mechanism better, however, still fails to show me the way out of the internal prison, even though I am finally out of the marriage and in No Contact with the larger family unit. The rub? If the entire family explains my absence as "proof" that I am the weak link/damaged goods...who am I to claim otherwise? What leg do I have to stand upon when my experience is refuted by the many, and when "witness gathering" is the primary basis of "fact making" per the Scientific Method? And when my attempts at describing my experience are characterized as "tangential" in Western medicine, further "proving" my damaged goods "status." What "choice" is there, but freeze state, hopelessness, SI?
I relate very much to what you say. My process has led me to someone who teaches methods to regulate the nervous system. Her methods are based on Polyvagal Theory and Attachment Theory.
There are ways to get out of Freeze (an equal combination of Sympathetic and Dorsal states) and hopelessness (Dorsal).
Hi Pamela, Seth here with Team Lyon. As someone who has experienced similar things in family situations, I would say that the way out is not giving a shit what anyone else in that system thinks, and standing strong in your truth and authenticity. When we are firm in our understanding of ourselves, when you 'know thyself' as the ancient Greeks urged us to, we no longer require validation from any outside source, and we also attract those that resonate with our authenticity. Very often, it takes a significant amount of good trauma work to get there.
I'm a clinical psychologist and I've never really understood why reactions (such as to jump for saving one's feet from a knife) get STORED UP? Why isn't the nervous system clever enough to, for example, register that the knife didn't hit me / I'm save now / nervous system can let go from the reaction?
iAmYouAreWe, Jen here from Team Lyon. The nervous system is often wise enough to register that the knife didn't hit you and move through the experience in the moment. It's when trauma is involved - when what happen is more than we have the capacity to effectively move through in the moment - that a survival response/procedural memory gets stored.
What can be done to release,tension if my body has been chronically stuck in the,trauma reflex (coined by somatic practice ) for the past,few years?
Thank you!
This is the video that I desperately needed tonight. I’ve been stuck back with previously treated ptsd symptoms. No matter what I try ( meds, weighted blanket, warm bath/milk, no screen time before bed {plus at least 20 other ideas})but my body just won’t let me sleep at night. ( Currently 4:15am )
I’ve been extremely stuck in obsessive hypervigilance and your content has been such a help.
I’m going to try to save up to take your courses, are any of them subsidized by chance?
Blessing
Hi Godpleaseloveme, Jen here from Team Lyon. It's great to hear that Irene's content has been a help. Not sleeping can be tough. I'll link to a few resources that you might try to see how your system responds. It can be helpful to practice during the day too when stress levels may be lower. And I don't believe there are currently any subsidies, and you can reach out to support@irenelyon.com and they'll be able to confirm.
DIY: Ancient Anxiety Medicine - th-cam.com/video/0ICsbXUCKmM/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgzKvm65Pqe9xARznlN4AaABAg
4 Surprisingly Simple Steps to Calm Overwhelm - irenelyon.com/4-steps-to-calm-overwhelm/
How do you change the response? Deep breathing?
Ya, how do you release these procedural memories?
Hi American Girl, Jen here from Team Lyon. The short answer is that we need to give the procedural memory the chance to express and complete. In practice this can be pretty nuanced. For example, we often need to first grow nervous system capacity and the ability to sense sensations, impulses (and more) arising in the body.
When the movement associated with the procedural memory starts to express, we may also need to need to work with it in specific ways that may involve slowing it down, taking it a piece at time, listening to what wants to happen, and more. Irene provides related education and practice in her online course and program, the 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up and SmartBody SmartMind. I'll link to them in case you want to check them out.
21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com
SmartBody SmartMind - smartbodysmartmind.com
@@IreneLyon ty
I have labour upcoming in four weeks , I’ve experienced birth trauma and I’m worried my body will override my birth plan how can I ensure I stay in flow rather than freeze up ! I don’t want to spend years healing this again !
Katie - Mara here with Team Lyon. If you can ensure that you have supportive people around you for the birth, that's super helpful. Consider a labor doula, or a conversation with your birth team about what you need to feel supported. You still have time to set this up to feel safe going into the birth. Good luck!
Can you also address the fawn response?
Hi Alexandru Gheorghe, Jen here from Team Lyon. Irene does talk about the fawn response in this video: th-cam.com/video/Xr6cDe9OC3U/w-d-xo.html
THANK YOU ❤️💔💖
Hi Irene. I wonder what age group is considered childhood trauma? I experienced very traumatic things at 13, and have had a whole lot if symptoms since then. Is that childhood trauma?
Andrea - Mara here with Team Lyon. Any age below 18 is childhood trauma. Preverbal trauma is often before age 3, when the memories are only somatic.
I born ill and on the first 2 years of my life there was a lot of exams, injections and so on my mother tell me that it got to the point that when I see a nurse I stop my breathing to the point of getting blue the everyone forgets about the the injection the test and deal with the lack of breathing, this end up when a doctor came in and told the nurse to proceed what she was going to do and ignore the lack of breading and I the start to cry. Shot down reaction, might there be a procedural memory saved due to this situation?
Hi Maria Elisa Espino, Jen here from Team Lyon. Yes, there may well be a procedural memory (or memories) related to this early experience. Experiences such as you describe early in life also often lead to what we call early/developmental trauma. Irene talks about this in her free Healing Trauma video training in case you'd like to learn more.
free Healing Trauma video series - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
I usually feel nauseous and sick when I’m feeling grounded, and I feel like I wanna escape, everything feels overwhelming although everything is ok around me and I’m safe. Why is this happening ?
Hi Victoryismine, Jen here from Team Lyon. With trauma, there can often be nervous system activation and held survival responses under the surface. Sometimes when we ground, or turn attention inward, we can become aware of this held survival energy in the body. We can be experiencing signals of threat in response to what we've been through in the past, even when we are objectively safe in the present. If you haven't yet seen Irene's free Healing Trauma video training, you might check it out.
free Healing Trauma video training - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
Where can we find/what is the name of the video with Peter Levine taking the veteran through a series of sessions to release the shock trauma.
th-cam.com/video/bjeJC86RBgE/w-d-xo.html
Kathy Miller, I believe Irene is referring to this video with Peter Levine and his work with Ray, a veteran with PTSD.
th-cam.com/video/bjeJC86RBgE/w-d-xo.html
Hi Kathy Miller, Jen here from Team Lyon. As Ella mentioned, here's the link to where you can see a video of Peter working with Ray. Irene also has the link in the video links above.
► Sample Demonstration of Ray and Peter Levine.
th-cam.com/video/bjeJC86RBgE/w-d-xo.html
I have severe restless legs wakes me up not that I sleep much but I wake with this plus breathlessness and shaking how do I get rid ov this I'm on medication for anxiety helped a lot but can't get rid ov these symptoms I feel I can't go on like this I can't function especially the shaking and weak legs
Hi Pamela, Seth here with Team Lyon. What you are experiencing is fight/flight energy in the legs - they are wanting to run, to get away from a perceived danger that isn't actually happening now. It's the same thing with the experience we label as anxiety - that is an unresolved fight/flight survival charge that still thinks there is danger in the environment.
There are various ways that we work with this survival energy, and It sounds like it would be good for you to first learn more about the nervous system and how trauma affects it overall, and also to learn the basics of working with the nervous system, and develop some capacity for tolerating these sensations. The thing is, in this work we don't want to 'get rid' of these sensations and activations, we want to understand them, welcome them, and learn to work with them, so that they can transform.
You can look at it like this - those restless legs are a representation of the younger you who was very scared at some point, or maybe often. When that energy arises, it is like that younger you is trying to come through and find resolution. So by being angry or scared or wanting the experience to go away, you are essentially telling that part of yourself, that scared child, to go away. This generally won't lead to healing.
I highly recommend getting into this work! The best way to start is with Irene's 21 Day Nervous System Tuneup, or if you can find a good practitioner, then doing private work.
www.nstuneup.com/
th-cam.com/video/04XF7ANnqGk/w-d-xo.html
Can an intense urge to supress be a procedural memory? Like i constantly want to suck the emotions down as of i am wanting to come up for air. How would I go about something like this.
Hello, Sophia from Team Lyon here. Here is what Irene has previously said about procedural memories th-cam.com/video/6IAmksWXn8o/w-d-xo.html I hope this helps but please feel free to reach out to our support inbox with any further questions.
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