17 Round Hellcat - Will This Kill the Glock 17 Sized Firearms?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Springfield has just released a 17 round magazine for the Hellcar and Hellcat Pro. That is the same capacity that you get in many full sized or duty size guns. Will this make the Glock 17, the full size M&P, HK VP9 and Walther PDP obsolete??
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Is it just me or did we go in a giant circle back to where we were before the p365 and Hellcat and people wanting full-size pistols with big magazines
They're approaching a full size silhouette but these newer offerings are significantly thinner.
Um no. The firearms you mentioned are smaller. We will move when the barrel design gets even smaller!
I like the Hellcat, but even with the Hellcat Pro I don’t want to shoot 300 rounds through it. I can shoot the Glock 26,19,45,17 all day long.
For some reason, the Glock 26 is more comfortable for me to carry than the Hellcat.
I converted my 365x into a Macro by cutting down 1 inch off pic rail area now I got a 17 round mag/grip module , I love Sig
Will it replace Glock 17 sized guns? In a word, no. The G17 size guns are long time proven as durable, softer shooting and more importantly able to take a steady diet of +p or +p+ rounds without beating itself up prematurely shortening its lifespan. The Hellcat and its equivalent G43/Sig365 etc are like k frame and smaller .357 magnum revolvers of old. You practice with .38s and carry .357s to keep a decent lifespan. The G17 size will be duty/competition/hd guns for a long time to come.
Hellcat is way better. 17 is more like a house gun for old folks.
Great video . I love my hellcat pro will definitely be ordering several of 17 round magazines.
Will it replace G17 size pistols? Absolutely not. What these micro 9 double stacks like the P365 and Hellcat has done, is to "reshape" the market segment in the Conceal EDC realm.These micro 9 double stacks doesn't replace Duty size pistols. Glock 17 size pistols were never meant for the CC market. If these Micro 9's were G 17 sized killers, we would have seen by now LEO and defense force contracts for these pistols. Slimline pistols just don't have the longevity of service life like a duty type firearm has, and as someone mentioned, duty sized pistols are built for a steady diet of +P ammo aka Nato spec ammo.
There are tradeoffs for everything in concealed carry. My absolute top consideration is reliability. If it doesn't go bang when your life depends on it, you may as well carry a rock. But smaller and lighter, while that might carry or conceal easier, you pay for that when it comes to shootability. Smaller/lighter = snappier, more recoil, maybe slower to get back on target between shots. Maybe smaller/thinner with more capacity which increases weight, is a good mix to aim for. Easier to conceal but the added weight of more rounds might help with the snappy factor? And then who doesn't want more rounds? So, yeah, it's all tradeoffs.
Being that the Glock 17 is a military grade pistol and the Hellcat is a straight to civilian market gun that's not really been tested. I'll trust my life to the Glock. It may fit into my carry rotation in the hottest days of summer when I wanna carry something hi-cap, but lighter because I'm wearing less clothing.
Your comment showed you don't know much about firearms and/or have been brainwashed by other Glock fanboys. Springfield guns are made by HS Produkt and are military grade as they are used by the Croatian military for both side arm and their assault rifles. Where is the Glock military assault rifle? Oh I forgot they don't know how to make a rifle. Springfield are much more reliable than Glock. I've never had a malfunction from any of my Springfields but all of my Glocks have jammed. Springfield(HS Produkt) for the win.
@@whatsup24_7 your comment just showed you I know more than you about weapons. We're NOT talking about the HS2000, we're talking about that weak A$$ Hellcat. I guarantee you a dollar to a doughnut, Glock will be around another 30+ years and at the end of those 30+ years, nobody will even remember the Hellcat 🥱
@@user-fb2mq8hg4y You're wrong again son do some more research. The Hellcat is made in the same building as all of their military and police weapons with all of the same materials. Springfield is much more reliable and durable than anything Gl💩ck. Look at the slide lock on Gl💩ck how easy and quick the finish comes off. Or how about the cheap plastic sights, yeah sure military grade bahahahahahaha. Springfields all come with metal sights like military weapons should. The new Echelon is for sure going to replace many police departments Gl💩ck 17's. Every video on youtube that reviewed it has said that it's better than the Gl💩ck 17 in every category. I see you didn't answer me regarding a Gl💩ck rifle. Because I am right. The Hellcat will definitely be remembered in the future and the Gl💩ck will he remembered for never innovating like Springfield and that's why Gl💩ck has been left behind everyone else. More than ever I'm hearing tons of Gl💩ck fanboys complain about them doing nothing to innovate and improve. Same junky plastic sights, same mushy garbage trigger, same unnatural grip angle and they don't even know how to laser stipple yet. Same garbage barrels. Gl💩cks from 1990's look the same as from 2023, how embarrassing. Aside from Hi-Point, Gl💩ck has the worst esthetics and ergos out of any firearm manufacturer.
@@user-fb2mq8hg4y forget 30 years, the Glocks will probably never go, literally. Just like the ar15. They have been working for years to replace and still no contenders. My opinion is that they never will unless they invent real life laser guns 😂
@@user-fb2mq8hg4yGlock is running behind. they're ugly af and so outdated. springfield is also used by some police dept like NY, beverly hills ca and many more. ur point is invalid
i conceal carry the hellcat 15 rd mag , the same capacity as the g19 plus its way smaller and more ergonomic.
This sounds familiar to me. We bought a SFD xd back when they came out with the idea of carry with the short mag and home/hotel room defense with the long one. It was great but no one could hit anything with it. I still like the concept and give credit that it was reliable but for what ever reason it was difficult to shoot well. I trust the new Hellcat has improved on this from seeing your group. Nice review.
I think I got into firearms at just the right time……Bought my first handgun this year, got the hellcat. Absolutely love it! I’ve checked out every micro and subcompact 9mm I could find and still I wouldn’t choose anything else.
Glad they sent you those mags to try out and appreciate the video. I love discussions regarding these tiny guns and the capacity. Like sooch says we live in the golden era of firearms. Hellcat osp is in my carry rotation along with my Glock 19 and 36. It’s nice to have options 😅
I have most of the micros 9mm. They serve a purpose but, they are not what i would call a combat gun. They recoil more. They are are not great for larger hands. They heat up very quickly. I also don't think they will have as long of a service life as a larger gun. So i don't think they will ever replace compact or full size guns.
I don't have the G17, but I do have the other ones. One thing to consider is that, in my opinion, I can shoot the G26 and the G19 way better than the Hellcat and the Hellcat Pro. The G26 and the G19 are super versatile when it comes to capacity. Also, I don't think the Hellcats have any advantage over the Glocks when it comes to capacity. At least the models you mentioned, the Hellcat has an advantage when it comes to conceal and carry. I don't know if the Hellcat Pro even beats the G26 when it comes to concealment. Yes, the Hellcat Pro is slimmer, but it is also larger than the G26
The difference in width from the hellcat pro to the g17/g19 is soooo minuscule it’s not even worth mentioning. Also when he sticks in the 15 round mag and 17 rounder into both of those hellcat, it makes the frame just as long as the g19 & g17. Lastly having a longer slide would actually make the g19 and g17 easier to conceal carry than those hellcats with the 17 round mags because the back end will feel very heavy with the hellcats. Simple physics, if u have a long heavy frame and a small slide, the frame is gonna wanna dip down.
@@9770G how are you ? The 0.26-inch difference in width between the Hellcat Pro and the Glock 17 or Glock 19 makes a world of difference for me. For example, the Hellcat Pro is so uncomfortable to shoot because the trigger guard digs into my knuckles. This would not matter in a self-defense situation, but it does make a huge difference when I am shooting 200 rounds at the range. The 0.26-inch difference also gives me a much better grip on the Glock 26 and Glock 19. I do not have a Glock 17, but I imagine it is the same when it comes to the grip.
I like to wear fitted clothes, so the 0.26-inch width difference between the Glock 26 and Glock 19 makes a difference when it comes to concealment. I have different ways to conceal my gun depending on what I am wearing. If I am wearing shorts, it is much easier for me to conceal the regular Hellcat than the Glock 26.
I love all of the Glock 26, Glock 19, and Glock 17 models. I do agree that the Hellcat with the 17-round magazine will be harder to conceal because the magazine will stick out further. It may also be a little heavier. I already think that the 15-round magazine is at the limit of what I would want to carry all day IWB. The X-Macro, which is only slightly longer with the 17-round magazine, is too much for me. I do carry the Sig P365X with a Wilson Combat XL grip, but I still prefer the Glock 26 with a 2 or 3 -round extension or the Glock 19 by far when it comes to the grip.
Useful info! Thanks. I was thinking of going to the sig xmacro , or helcat pro from my helcat osp, but just upgrading the mag will work!
Great review! Your videos are always my fav lol. Youre always thorough!
Markets move and 3 finger grips on shorter barrels are now a thing. It's always been a thing for my large hands by the way...Make magazines interchangeable and there is almost no reason to change platforms.
Great video!! Always great content!!
Carry the Hellcat OSP with the RDP barrel and comp and 15 round mags and I'm happy all day.
The G19 is awesome but who wants to carry a brick all day?
I've watched this guy shoot a lot of different guns (Hammer or Striker, I don't know who's actually pulling the trigger, and for that matter I'm not totally sure it's not just one guy with a split personality). He's a pretty good shot. And his groups with the Hellcat are *not* great. Good enough for its purpose, but that would have to be something to take into consideration.
I noticed his bad groupings with it too and he’s usually decent. I had both versions of the garbage-cat.
Hellcat pro 3.7” barrel, Hellcat RDP 3.8” threaded barrel+ comp included.
I have a hellcat pro but I still like my glock 17 for bedside gun. The longer sight radius and heavier weight makes it easier to be accurate, especially when just waking up out of sleep.
Not obsolete but if you need deep concealment in the time of mostly peaceful riots, its nice to have a couple of 17 round back up mags for your CCW.
Something else of interest if you own both Hellcat models. You can take the slide off the HC Pro and put it on the original HC. Then you have the option of 11 or 13 round concealed carry mag with the longer slide for accuracy and recoil management and 15 or 17 round back up mags.
Ya the OG hellcat slide is a joke. U can’t even put a light on it. At least the PRO’s slide is long enough for a TLR7a.
@@9770G I was able to fit an Olight pl2 valkyrie on mine.
@@hugostiglitz9864 olight 🤮
@@9770G I've had it for a few years...works fine at the range...zero issues.
Interesting. However not everyone buys a gun for concealed carry. For me the Springfield is not suitable for carry unless you are a large frame individual. The Glock 17 is an all around gun suitable for home defense and target shooting with unparalleled reliability. For deep concealment the standard Hellcat is fine.
Accesory/part options
Barrel length
Those alone keep pretty much any micro compact from duty use
Very cool, but I’ll still carry my 26
A 26??? Haha
@@whatsup24_7g26 is king 👑
26, the OG sub compact. Heck yea!
A 26¿ hell nah
😂😂the 26 was designed for 40cal. Why don’t people understand duty duty-rated firearms are for forty and up?
Excellent video
Couple of things, there is no way you shoot that hellcat better than the glock, the hellcat is supper snappy and under stress you wont get good shot placements....now I see you upgraded the trigger that may help I am not sure because I do not upgrade triggers in self defense guns. But I do not care if you put a 50 round drum stick in a hellcat, it will never shoot like a full size gun I am sorry it just wont
If i had a dollar for every person asking when a compact version of the Echelon is coming out, while skipping over the HC Pro for years now....people are funny lol
Nice presentation. I think if the Hellcat would have been in 380acp your grouping would be better....😁
Although I think with a better grip because the mag is larger accuracy would improve.
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Answer to title. No. Even though this new mag for the hellcat adds more rounds it doesn’t change the fact that a larger handgun is easier to shoot. Also the new SA hellcat mag makes the frame just as long as the G17’s frame. This all became clear as day in the video. When the 15 round mag was in the Hellcat, it was just as long as the G19 frame, when he inserted the 17 round mag in the hellcat it was as long as the G17 frame. So no, this was no game changer from SA. Just they created longer mags for more rounds. Nobody is getting rid of their Glocks over this at all. Also, when u AIWB carry that hellcat with the 17 round mag, the back end of the gun will be much heavier than the slide which the laws of physics will make it feel awkward to carry. Where as with the G17 the longer slide will even balance out the weight with the frame. The hellcat will not with those 17 rounders.
Not if you want to shoot sub 2 second bill drills. Hellcat is snappy as hell and without a comp it won’t get there. Glock 17 does have older mag technology and should be standard to 20 rounds at least but full size and compacts just shoot so much better than subs. The xmacro is the first real contender to replacing a G19/17 size pistol for high standards of shooting.
From my hellcat. I already have the two. 13 one 14 HYVE bass plate. and one 15R All run flawless. I don't think I need the 17 rounder But then again, if you're a legal minority and you're shopping, it's best to have as many rounds as possible.
You did a great video, but i prefer my shield plus it comes with 10, 13 and you can add 15 rd magazine if you like, shield plus better build quality gun then the Hellcats , better grip texture and far better trigger just out of the box.
Hellcat vs reflex video
You're not getting the same reliability. If you just shoot paper on a range then yes. But the smaller guns are more prone to malfunctions from limp wristing, ammo variation, fouling. The amount of time it takes the slide to cycle back then forward into battery is shorter compared to a Glock 17 because of reduced slide weight and distance to travel. Guns like the Hellcat Pro make up for the lighter slide weight with increased spring weight which makes them more finnicky. A gun like the Glock 17 with the heavier slide will reciprocate the slide backward more slowly, reducing the battering of the frame. Then once the slide reaches it most rearward travel and momentarily halts, the relatively heavy Glock 17 slide will accelerate forward more slowly compared to a Hellcat Pro because the 17's slide is heavy and the spring is relatively weak. This gives the extractor and ejector time to kick the fired casing out, it gives the stack of ammo in the mag time to rise. It gives the ammo being fed from the mag time to get under the extractor and get above the edge of the feed ramp.
With the Hellcat Pro the slide is lighter and so the spring has to be stronger to keep the gun from unlocking too soon and from battering the frame. Also the distance the slide travels rearward is shorter compared to the Glock 17. The stronger spring will help keep the slide from battering the frame when the slide moves rearward but once the slide stops moving rearward, the relatively light slide and heavy spring combo will drive the slide back into battery faster. This give the extractor and ejector less time to do their work, less time for the stack of ammo in the magazine to rise into positions, less time for the new round to get under the extractor. The smaller guns are more finnicky. Also, the frames of the smaller gun can't take as much abuse from recoil over time as a larger framed gun.
well i guess springfield needs to up their game and make a 9mm pistol carbine. that folds and uses these mags. then you got the best grey man setup.
No, bigger heavier guns shoot better than lighter guns across the board. The Echelon shoots better than the Hellcat pro hands down. And they are the same manufacturer. So why would it be better than a 17. You shot terrible with the Hellcat. You'll need the capacity if you can't shoot it good.
For me? No way. I learned many years ago that tiny guns don’t work well with XL length hands.
They are all kill shots unless you wanna train for the head 😂
Since traveling the loop, I feel like the longer barrel and longer grip (G19/17) trumps the longer grip shorter barrel for shootabilty and ability to keep the sight on target!!! Plus, I tend to IWB carry with board or draw string shorts 11/12 months of the year so “flipability” becomes a real issue!
Great vid!! I agree I don’t see much value in the G26 these days or the single stacked subcompact’s for that matter. These micro double stacked 9s definitely made a lot of subcompact 9s obsolete. There’s still plenty of value in the G27 though
I bought the hellcat! I couldn't wait to shoot it. After shooting 20-30 rounds trying to hit the target, didn't happen. At 30 ft away l was lucky to hit the paper target that's 2ftx2ft.when l bought it,it came with the target that the factory tested and sent with it. The factory target had a good group. I've tried many different rounds of ammo from different companies. And it still doesn't shoot true...
Is this 17 rounds mag compatible with the first HellCats models?
Barrel length is a huge factor not in favor for the hellcat while the concealablity is it’s strong point I’d still like to hit what I’m aiming at so it’s not a glock17 killer just a great concealed carry, that’s it.
Yea agree with the fact barrel length matters when it comes to accuracy and recoil but the hellcat definitely makes the G26 kind of obsolete, but there’s still plenty of value in the G19 and 17 in comparison to micro 9s..
What your option using hell cat with 17 rds or glock 26 with x grip mag sleeve and with 17 rd mag
I have the original hellcat and love it. It is quality.
Do you know where I could get a springfield hellcat magazine silver?
7:42 ummm geee idk maybe because the second u put those larger mags into the Hellcat and HC Pro u make them just as long as the g19 and g17. 😂. That was a dumb question. Also if u carry the Glocks u have the most widely used handgun platform in the world which makes finding parts 10x easier than the HC’s. Also parts are cheaper and easier to install yourself if you’d like too. The hellcats are cool and all but to sit here and act like they are making the Glocks obsolete in anyway is just comical to say the least.
I like the hellcat better than a Glock
I wasn’t impressed with the Hellcat or Hellcat Pro.
The Sig p365XL and XMacro shoot smoother.
Plus, I love my Gen5 G17 & Gen5 G22.
It’s all subjective and personal preference.
I have several friends who are cops and they all carry different firearms.
No
The Glock 17 will out perform the Hellcat for accuracy.
And durability..and can use factory 24 and 33 round magazines....next!!!
The amount of fogey's/luddite's in the comments are crazy lol.
Train with it and you're not bitching about accuracy of it with the shorter barrel! I've shot the fuck out of Hellcat's and they've been reliable as anything else I've had. Glock folks kill me.. Have fun with your brick idk
it's still stolen Gaston deserves the credit.
Shill anyone??? It's obvious what channels get the free stuff because they all make videos on the same products on the same day as each other.
H&S does not shill for anybody. Perhaps you missed their disclaimer (0.33). I've watched their reviews for years and have never found a bias for a loaned or free item. They tell it like it is.
@@oldkeltec7037 their Springfield product video came out at the same time all the other guntubers did for the same exact product. You surely don't think they all went out and bought the same exact product on the day Springfield released it and dropped vids around the same time by coincidence do you???? LMAO wake up
Shhhh don't tell Glock nothing 😂
I prefer the hellcat Glock says Glock perfection that’s why I don’t buy them. Not one person has a stack Glock 😂🤷♂️
Glock doesn’t make a gun as nice as the Hellcat, Hellcat Pro or echelon
I carry a Glock cause there based in Georgia and Springfield is in anti 2nd of Illinois!
Plus Glock is reliability proven itself❗️
P365 xl or x macro are better.
They have 17 round mags too
Good argument
I have both and my preference is the Hellcat. Hellcat has much better trigger, sights and grip.
None of them have 24 and 33 round factory magazines like the Glock...however! Next!
You have made a lot of good points. This is a good video. As a Canadian smaller than full service size is illegal. In Canada if you want to carry a firearm join a police force period! Dudes like me are target shooters and competition shooters don't need tiny pistols. I don't anymore have a weapon anyway I just watch to keep up with what's new.
Nah better off the MP 2.0 3.6 SC 😴👑>G26>🛡+>G3C all except the 🛡+have flush/12/15/20rd+ capacities, 20s >30s for EDC only keep HPs the factory’s, JSP/🩸🐝/FMJ/+🪵in marked Extds 💨🚪🚘🐗
OMG
You are forgetting that it’s not a Glock find something else to do