This Car Shouldn't Have Worked. How did it Beat Everyone?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มิ.ย. 2023
- Mercedes in the 1980s had a pretty good idea what their cars should be. Well built, dependable, comfortable cars presented as a convertible, saloon, Estate or maybe even a coupe if you’re feeling adventurous. They weren’t boring exactly, but not many people had their pants set alight by the W126 S-class, despite its excellence. And oh yeah, they also made this… This is the story of the Mercedes 190E 2.5 16 Evo 2.
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Can we take a minute to thank this bro for his tasteful selection and use of some classic Gran Turismo tunes.
Yes, and excellent choice of subject matter for the videos 👌
In Love ❤
Yes we can
Ikr!! Absolutely love it! ❤😍
I love the version of Light Velocity he played, it's a combination of both the OST version and the in game version
I think it’s wild how the lead designer at Mercedes modeled this car after the mafia sentinel in GTA3
The 190 is probably one of my favorite cars. The fact Mercedes never gave up before the excellent E30 M3 and was confident in their platform paid off, in the end. Not only the 190s make for excellent city cars, they managed to win at least once. It's funny how most of this generation knows the 190 Evo II thanks to the infamous IA-15 License Test in Gran Turismo 4, but it probably means so many people will know this car for many years to come.
That license test was the baptism by fire, you had to drive the 190 properly, no cheating no cutting corners.
@@user-tm9ho3bm4vsheeeeeiiiitt not to mention you were actually FASTER than the pace car...
and A$AP Rocky
Apart from being a bit slidy its quite enjoyable on the nurburgring
Funnily enough the M3 was actually a response to the 190e…
190 platform, in Portugal it is one of the most known. There are tons, but TONS of 190Ds, mostly used as Taxies (nowadays even less but some still are used).
Those models don't die. They do a million kms easily with only oil exchanges, diesel and normal maintenance. Some have rusted floors, some have holes but their engines are pristine and run like a Swiss clock. It is trully a beast of a car in terms of reliability mechanically, and the same as driving a sofa (their seats are so comfortable).
Story goes in Portugal (can't confirm) that Mercedes had to lower the development time in newer models because customers would buy this models and then simply keep it, not buying newer ones because it simply there was no need for.
@@ThaDutchDK1989 well Mercedes and others use the perceived obsolescence (minute changes of designs time to time) and planned obsolescence.
They may also use prevention of repairs in case of models who there are parts not available anymore to be sold, but normally alternatives exist as second hand and/or salvage hand parts.
@@ThaDutchDK1989 Planned obsolescence. First time I heard the term I didn't believe in it, I do now.
Don't start salting the roads over there, that's the trick!
@@willpeony5534 No need for that. no snow or ice on the roads
I still have a 190D model 1992. Easily the most reliable car I have ever driven. I still drive it daily and it has run 500K already. No rust issues at all. I have been asked daily by strangers to sell it, it can sell it easily for 9k. Greetings from Marrakech.
I have a 1987 190D as my daily driver and it never misses a beat. Just wondering what kind of engine your 190D has since mine is a US spec 2.5l non-turbo diesel, I know a lot of other countries got much different specs of 190D's.
@@jkjoshua567HD mine is a 2.0 D (no turbo) EU spec.
@@jkjoshua567HD Is there a place in the car u can see what motor it has? I have my grant father one its a 190D 1989 Mercedes and wanted to know which one it has
@@shpreslindmyrtaj8686 it think it would be in the door jam or under the hood on the core support. Some have badges on the back that say 2.5l 2.2l or turbo diesel
Oh ok thank you@@jkjoshua567HD
A true gentleman's retelling of a gentleman's racer.
You forgot to mention it was originally being developed to race in WRC, until the Audi Quattro showed up and made it real hard to win in a RWD platform. Unless you’re Lancia ofcourse.
Supposedly someone at Mercedes even before Audi actually did, suggested it having awd. But the management said no, because the Rallye rules didn't allow for awd. (and then audi achieved a change in the rules...)
The Mercedes Rallye idea is the reason Walter Röhl has a "year missing" in his rallye career. He had signed for Mercedes. And when the management asked the people responsible if it's possible to win in the first few rallyes, all said no. So the project got stopped.
@@nirfz that’s some relevant and useful knowledge I had no idea about, thank you.
@@kevindavis5693 😁 I don't dare to rate it as usefull and relevant, because apart from us, almost nobody gives a ... (and i often remember useless information that's not really relevant to anyone 🤓)
But anyways, i read that in car magazines over the years.
Makes a ton of sense timeline-wise.
Still, I wonder how it could’ve done in Group A rally, considering how popular the E30 M3 was.
@@llmkursk8254 One of the old Top Gear episodes Mika Häkkinen teaches James May how to Scandinavian flick in a rally prepped Evo 1. Pretty sure it was an Evo 1 anyways, a 190E either way. Looked at home in a Finnish forest on that. I loved my 190E when I owned one, and that was just the 2.6 straight 6. I’d love to have that car back.
Did he mention the very famous race where senna won an exhibition race with this car, against many world champion when he was in his rookie year? Great story. Prost was on pôle…
@@ThaDutchDK1989 he had damage to his car? I did not remember that. But I do remember that in the beginning of practice, the time were very dissimilar between all does great driver. But soon enough, they got closer to each other as they learned the specific of the car.
@@ThaDutchDK1989 Cause Prost was always in the way!!
No, in that race they were driving 190E 2.3-16 Sportline models since at that point even the first Evo-model wasn't even on the horizon.
Last summer we took my wifes 1991 190e 2.3 8v sportline manual on a road trip to see the kids. From SW France to South Wales and Scotland. Including a one day run from Dunbar to Southampton. 3000km in 5 days. One sidelight bulb blew. That was it. Otherwise faultless and comfortable. The car has 500000km on it as well, so not a pampered car, a daily driver.
fun fact: Ellen Lohr drove a 190E when she became the only woman ever to win in DTM at Hockenheim in 1992
I remember ellen lohr got too excited in macau 1992 after overtakibg schinider and then crashed
About 15 years ago, my eldest daughter had a school homework project about women being successful in a man's world. Rather than do the usual Florence Nightingale or whatever, I suggested we do a bit about either Fabrizia Pons or Ellen Lohr. She chose Ellen, partly due to me having a 190E 2.3-16 at the time, and several bits of DTM Evo II posters, etc. We wrote to Ellen, using my rusty German, and about a week later Ellen wrote back the random 9 year old English girl with lengthy note in perfect English, enclosed a massive amount of photos/prints, odds n ends, and a little note from Ellen to include in her homework submission. She remains one of my favourite racing drivers of all time, regardless.
@@duncanhamilton5841 That's so typical for Ellen! These gestures and how she wrestled Keke Rosberg down in that race in Hockenheim make her absolute, but sadly often forgetten legend.
@@markusjuenemannI think I saw something recently on TH-cam (memory is sketchy on it) where she is or was running an all woman race team?
Either way, it was absolutely brilliant of her to have replied and given up her time for a totally random letter out of the blue from a country she never competed in, long after she retired.
A real shame she didn't end up in a Calibra or 155 when the DTM went 4wd
I'm surprised she didn't include a few diecast models under her audience seats during her show
My 190E is a 285hp n/a M103 six, yes the cam is a bit lumpy that's how I like it, but I've spent some years on the various club and owner forums and meets and you can't help but get brow beaten with a lot of 16v talk so I hope I'm recalling all this correctly. Here goes:
The Evo engine isn't related to the vanilla 2.5-16 which replaced the 2.3-16 and neither of those engines were developed in partnership with Cosworth. In cliff notes the simple difference is the 7200rpm redline on the vanilla 16v in both capacities and 9500rpm redline only the Evo motors were specially developed for, with unique bore/stroke ratios to achieve the same 2.5 displacement as the vanilla 2nd gen 16v and numerous other basic engineering differences in the block. From what I can remember in track spec both Evo I and II ran at about 290bhp at 9000rpm but the II might have had some further changes for reliability improvements. Only in road trim as delivered before race prep the Evo I was quoted at 7000rpm untuned rating at around 197bhp and the Evo II was quoted at 8,000rpm for 230bhp, which was all just circumstantial they're basically the same motor. In road trim again if I recall correctly the indicated redline was 8000rpm on both, although with race prep and tune they redlined at 9500 and produced maximum power at 9000. Regular 16v in either displacement redlines at 7200 and that's a hard limit regardless of modification, it's actually the hard limit for any M102/M103/M104 which are all the same basic engine in 4 and 6 cyl but the single cams got an imposed limit of 6200 purely for their top end limitation in moving air, bottom end is the same in the twin cams and didn't change. The Evo is a completely different motor.
The long explanation is Mercedes initially asked Cosworth to design a race worthy homologation engine proposal for the 190E based upon the M102 engine and the 2.3-16 is not what they came back with. The monster they handed Mercedes was so brutal the decision makers at the silver star declared it was just impossible to drive upon a public road at all, it was a firebreathing track demon designed to compete on even terms with turbos and big displacement using insane engine speeds in a naturally aspirated i4. The type of beast we're talking about is the sort of thing that would just shut down under 4000rpm if you weren't massaging the throttle and doesn't really have much in the way of control response unless doing more than 7000rpm. Mercedes said thanks but no thanks and went and designed the 2.3-16 themselves. Cosworth played no part in it. The one thing Mercedes borrowed from the Cosworth proposal was the head design, so technically it's a Mercedes engine with an arguably Cosworth head. The 2nd gen 2.5-16 is just the same motor with a longer stroke. It's still oversquare so the only functional difference is a lower rpm torque curve and the same upper envelope multiplying slightly more torque peak.
By comparison the EVO motors have a stroke about halfway between the 2.3 and 2.5 with a much larger bore, so are very oversquare and then have a whole bunch of engineering features to support the design intention of spending all day at 9000rpm. They're pretty detuned in road going trim as delivered, since all the race prep and tune is expected to be done by individual teams, which probably helps their road manners quite a bit.
In a nutshell the Evo motor in track prepped race trim is much closer to the original engine proposal Cosworth handed them for the first 2.3-16. It's not what you get in a 16v and not even what you get in an Evo, but the Evo can be race prepped to get there and the regular 16v can't with all the AMG track packs in the world.
This is brilliant information, thank you.
I have managed to find a 1987 manual 2.6 (m103) here in New Zealand.
Would you please be able to provide more info as to what is done to yours to make 285hp? I am heavily considering going turbo, but would love that sort of n/a power if it’s readily available
@@izzy031096 No prob but my first draft response turned into a book so giving a lot of details isn't a short read. I'll have to give the cliff notes as I don't know what exactly you have in mind for budget and hassle, who's doing the work, how far you want to go, the whole plan from your end or how much of it is just up in the air.
Full tear down replacement of all parts and accessories, hand machined and prepped for track days, block decked and overbored, head sent off, runners bead blasted and flow balanced, flat top pistons with closed chamber head, fabricated headers, 30/70 valve timing with 12.7mm cam lift and lash spacers (stock is 16/58 and 10mm), Franken-CIS standalone ECU upgrade but the Bosch system couldn't cope with the cam overlap since it works on vacuum so it wouldn't rev past 5700 and 210whp on the dyno, which is about 235 at the crank and at least thousand rpm shy of its peak output. It's getting a full EFI conversion as we speak using Megasquirt 2. The 285hp is the calculated rating from the engine builder who races an M110 in classic, since we were both surprised it actually turned 210whp at 5700 and way out of tune I'm secretly hoping it punches 300bhp all sorted out but it is strictly built for 285bhp with the machining and flow it has. Originally I was only hoping for about 270 crank hp, since you always go less than the calculated but the dyno figure just blew us away considering how badly it ran and we genuinely think it's going to be more. I'll know in a few more months. It was 230hp at 6000 with the 22/62 cam and stock CIS-E3 but an AMG M103 ignition module.
The part more relevant to you is the early mod history. I originally just put a Dbilas 22/62 camshaft into the factory 2.6 because it was in very good shape at about 190,000 soft kms and was a Japanese export transferred to Australia, so has the 95 octane R16/1 ignition setup instead of the usual 89/91 octane for Australian imports, which is ideal for modding. I actually found a genuine AMG M103 ignition module in Belgium and put that in but it was only a marginal improvement and when we mapped it at the builder's shop it turns out there's only a moderate change in the advance curves from the stock factory one, waste of a thousand bucks. Playing around with the ignition on the KE-Jetronic system is way overrated, any mods needing a significant change are so dramatic the whole mechanical injection system gets thrown through a loop and you have to switch to EFI anyway.
That's the point really, the CIS-E3 version of KE-Jetronic with its closed loop narrowband is actually capable of self-tuning for any moderate cam upgrade and power increase without any modification and whilst the spark may not be perfect after the changes it compensates so effectively on the fuel side that it runs perfectly and gives you the results you want at no additional cost. It's plug and play until you go wild. It's a fantastic stock injection system with limitless fuel feed at insane pressure and massive injectors.
Just with exhaust gauge increase from the manifold back, deleting pre-cats as they're just particulate collectors to preserve cat life; the Dbilas 22/62 camshaft and a fresh servicing I had no problem outspeeding a modded VN Commodore 3.8 with the 2.6 and those put out 185hp stock, an easy 210 with cheap mods so that's really impressive and had to put the cammed 2.6 somewhere around 180-190hp. This cost next to nothing and is 150% bang for buck.
What Mosselman did back in the 80s for their twin turbo low boost 2.6 was rig the cold start injector for boost enrichment and no other modification to any part of the 2.6 for 200hp on this kit.
What AMG did as an independent tuner, which offered 300E and 190E performance kits as well as their flagship 3.2 Baby Hammer version, they just blueprinted the engine, chambered it, cammed it and swapped out the ignition module for 200hp n/a in the 2.6 and 215hp for the 3.0.
Here is the beans.
With no modification this period engine can handle a significant power increase on a mild warm over as plug and play up to about 200hp, doesn't matter if you can backyard turbo the worn 2.6 or swap in a junkyard 3.0 and cam it with some exhaust. It's all you have to do and you're looking at about 200hp.
Anything over about 210 and you're looking at tens of thousands.
Now there is another issue. You're going to spend tens of thousands like I did, marching the road towards 300 n/a ponies and you figure for all this money you might as well do a big turbo build and boost it for 400+ hp.
The body hits a brick wall at about 240km/h. Now it only takes 160hp to hit 220km/h, but it takes 230hp to hit 260km/h and most of that is for the slow climb from 240. You can watch this on a TH-cam video of a 420hp 190E with an Evo kit on the Autobahn, speedo whirls like a top to 240, brute force is needed to push past that and it crawls accelerating from 260 and that's with 420hp on boost, it finally makes it to 285 but it's a crawl. Now a W124 (300E) has no problem cruising past 280km/h on about 340 horses. And the 201 isn't exactly very stable north of 200 and that was with an Evo setup. It's very deceiving because the 190E really shines most of all at speeds between 100-200km/h which gives the definite impression this is a genuine Autobahn cruiser, but basically it wasn't really built to go much past about 240 not that you'd see more on a Group A DTM track anyway or a typical rally the model was originally designed for. The 124 is the high speed tourer, the 201 more a mid range compact for tighter tracks at lower average speeds.
The way this factors in is cost-benefit ratio. Within the usable acceleration range of the body type there is really no difference between anything from about 270hp to 400+. All the additional power is wasted on the body type and would be better spent in a 124 chassis. You don't get to use it, down at the speeds the car can handle anything over about 340hp I'd say at an estimate would be a complete waste, you won't feel it, you won't experience it, and it won't be making you existentially quicker. At 80-140 the difference between 230hp in 1300kg and 520hp in 1800kg I can tell you is about 3 car lengths, to any onlookers one looks only marginally quicker than the other and that's about 50-grand difference in engine cost. This is what we're talking about once you push that big dollar button on exceeding the low cost mod threshold of around 210hp, anything past this is exponentially big dollars but the additional cost of big boost on top of a full build and EFI to push past 300hp is completely wasted. You wouldn't be doing it for effect, you'd be doing it just because you like boost. And I get that, my daily Saab is a Hirsch tuner with a full bar and boost is fun unto itself, but a big boost build isn't like a bolt on turbo and adds many more thousands to tens of thousands for more benefit on paper than anywhere else.
You may go a completely different way, you may find completely different sentiments even when experiencing the same things, but these are all just things to be informed about.
@@jasonmorahan7450 Thanks for the long explaination. TBH i dont know when im going to have 201 but found the writing very interesting.
@@jasonmorahan7450all fantastic information, I can’t thank you enough for giving a long explanation when it’s needed, a lot of people don’t do that anymore. Sharing information is one of the most important / best things we can do. It’s hard to find these level of information on these cars especially in the US. I haven’t checked yet but I hope you have videos on your car, it sounds tastefully modified, N/A is best!
Thank you so much for this clip. It brought back so much of my childhood memories… Grewing up in Germany my parents had the first 190 in our neighborhood in 1982 and in the late 80ies, early 90ies I as a young lad watched every single DTM race on my small telly on the sunday afternoons. When Klaus Ludwig finally became champion it was as memorable to me as the German team winning the football world cup 1990 in Italy. Names like Bernd Schneider, Johny Cecotto, Frank Biela, Roberto Ravaglia and Kurt Tiim come into my mind again after watching this clip but I still can‘t remember the name of the lady with the chain- smoker‘s voice who did the comments on the races on German TV back in the days…
whos roland tho and why should he lass laufa?
If you don’t know, Kurt Thiim’s son is a pretty decent racer himself these days, he has a TH-cam channel, where he uploaded 5 or so videos of season reviews for the DTM from the Mercedes team videos. It’s so cool.
In Morocco there are still some taxies the use the Mercedes 190.
Just shows how reliable these cars are.
I have always wanted a 190 evo, but they were not sold in the states.
No one would comprehend a Mercedes Evo.
DTM taught me that no matter the brand- each one won at least one year, so they should be all remembered. And yes, the E190 looks great with its rear wing, really beautiful! 🧡
4:10 That car was in the James Hardie 1000, today known as the Bathurst 1000.
Was a very hardy race
@@Sandi_shores_lands_fish Yep, James ran a hard race and they all needed a bath afterwards.
@@kizmetmars 😂😂 those screaming pipes in the head, lotta heat needed a lot of cooling
Slippery... etc
As someone who got into cars just under a year ago, hearing all of these amazing stories get expanded on and filled out by you has been really fun. I can't wait for the next video man, keep up the great work!
I have been driving a 85 W201 for a couple of years now.
It's not fast, but what it can do surprisingly well is carrying speed through the corners without it getting uncomfortable like with the Audi 80 for example.
It's a great driving experience, even if it's not a Evo or even a sportier model they are always worth a drive
Had the pleasure to drive the first evo2 you show at 0:25s. Portuguese car. Quite a nice story but long story short, got the keys handed by the owner and he said "follow me" then thought mountain roads that barely fit 2 cars side by side he went quick and I had to follow. Man until 2.500rpm car is dead but after that you hear the air suction and car is alive. Balance was insanely good. Will never forget the experience. Amazing I miss it and want one. Damn how much I miss it.
The 2.3-16 is legendary because it spawned the M3.
The 2.3-16 was a better road car, the M3 a better race car so it depends where your interest is on which is "legendary". Stock and bought direct from the dealers for use on the road the Merc was the better car, the M3 was good, but you got a faster and better road car for less money if you just bought a 325i, if you had the money to build them up as race cars I'll give you that the M3 was much more successful.
Been binging this guys vids the past week or so and ngl gotta be one of the best car history channels I’ve ever seen
Just found this channel and am really enjoying your videos. I love cars, racing and history,, and you have some quality content !
I used to drive a 90 300E - was an absolute joy of a vehicle... still a comfortable and reliable machine to this day.
I’ve been a big fan ever since I found out about the 190E EVO II
I believe you dig so much information of one and each other legendary cars in gt4, keep it up mate I already subbed
Super slick, a pleasure to watch as always!
I love that the e30 190 e and Sierra Cosworth were all raced against each other. They are all in my top 5 lol
the look itself is more than enough to pay attention!
I have it in my diecast collection and it was one of my favorite cars to race on the nurburgring in Gran Turismo!
a dancer on that track
Well I think I found my new favorite TH-cam channel as this dude literally has everything I want and will be watching everything on this as I love this style of stuff
Another cracking tale! Looking forward to the next one! ☺️
Could you get around to a video on the 155 sometime in the future, absolutely love that car and these vids, keep uo the great work!
As someone who has raced an 190E 2.6 (the 6 cylinder version) I can honestly say they're surprisingly capable cars and really have a nice balance. I've used much more modern cars and they still don't quite hold up, I'm surprised because the W124 which I've also spent a lot of time with is absolutely dreadful. 🤣
Out of curiosity, what did find so awful about the w124?
@@markmcgrath9098heawy
Great video. Keep up the good work!
You are really good at this keep it up!
Great video. Awesome info and quality
Man the Audi 90 story is also perfect for your channel.
I've covered the audi 90! Great car
It's literally one of my dream cars ...My neighbor used to have a maroon replica Evo2; they're ridiculously classy in person.
Very nice video! Loved the 190 in that time. Shortly after the DTM saga my dad owned a 190E and after the a 190E 2.6. Loved to drive in them. Even bought a model for him from Autoart in the color that he owned.
I really like the Porsche sitting behind you on your desk. I should also add that you make some amazing videos that I am really enjoying 😂🥰
Peak DTM years. The next generation of cars, with Calibra and C-Class, were awesome but basically front engined sports prototypes where the entire front or rear of the car could be replace in minutes.
Nice video, much love, all the support for fresh new content creators ❤
Really terrific video. I enjoyed it a lot.
The Evo I and II were also seam welded from the factory, along with all the pick up points for cage and harnesses - they were proper homologation cars. Also worth mentioning that all the 16v 190Es had fully adjustable suspension geometry, and the really early 2.3-16s could be specified from new with your preferred lockup and slip rate on the LSD.
I wish Mercedes would go back to their roots instead of making cars that last 60k miles for TH-camrs and other people who don’t care
Just found this video great content style definitely got my sub ❤️
190E is such a Mercedes legend.
It joins the classics:
500e and c63
I'm going to like all your videos that I have watched. You deserve much more tho. Top content 🔝
Really good choice for posters on the wall in your room, man. Video is fire too!
Appreciate it!
1:19 I just finished building that Toyota GT One LeMans myself, one of my most beautiful models, 911 GT1 LM and R390 LM coming up, all from Tamiya
Very good video 😊😊it is seldom to have a clip talk about 90' DTM especially 190E in DTM history. Your lip Very detailed, thank you, love it.
I can't believe there is no mention to the Snobeck family and their involvement in this car.... Now you owe them their own exclusive video!! Thanks for the content
Back in the day there were still DTM races in my home town Diepholz) and I watched these on track. It was a lot of fun and because my dad worked for one of the sponsors we could get close to all cars and drivers. I even drew some of them during art lessons at school.
Fine video!
I learned to drive on a Mercedes 220, bj. 1989 (my birthyear), nearly 2 tons with only 90 HPs. Rear-wheel-drive was funny to drift a bit in the winter.
This young bloke does great work. Also, nice job finding footage from The Bathurst 1000.
Your channel is mad! This Will be a huge channel the content is engaging and interesting!
Very nice video , thanks for making it 👍
glad you enjoyed it!
Brilliant video on a GOATed car, subbed 👍
Your voice and manner of speaking are perfect for voice-overs. Keep this channel going for sure.. but I'd try leaning into other opportunities in the field... im sure its saturated with hopefulls and not easy to get into but I think your chances are better than most. If I had a project I'd pick you over almost anyone.
most underrated car channel
One of my favorite cars. Would love to own one. They ruled DTM for a couple years.
Great video sir thanks I love this car and your videos 😊if it wasn't for the 190E we wouldn't never have the e30 M3 , Sierra Cosworth and GTR Skyline all the savage Group A monsters that were built 😀
Right from the Le Mans finish to this 😂
It was no coincidence lol
My first ride was an 88 190e 2.3 i bought out of the cars for parts section of the WantAd for $800 it only had 83k on it and a damaged tail light. Still so sad i sold it all those years ago
what year did you buy it?
@@_Junkers in 6
@@_Junkers maybe 7
Tease me with my favourite race car off all time in the back ground, I would love to see a video on the super rarely documented and raced TS020
Really moved on from Beauchamp college to this, respect.
Kunmi! Hope you're doing well mate
One of a kind mercedes to me. Sucks that is such an expensive car but it is still a thing of beauty.
Thank you for this valuable history automotive
Great Dokumentation and well Research! 5 from 5 Stars :D
You are an excellent narrator. Very entertaining.
Ah, old DTM days! Love it!
If you want to see a bonkers body kit look up the vl commodore ss group a sv. This was another homologation special built to satisfy the group a regs. Even more ridiculous looking than the one on the 190e
The VN was a pretty good body kit too.
I love that car car well, so period correct and cool. They managed to make the kits look good back then, nowadays almost all new cars look like shit, let alone when they try to do these style of body kits. Taste has been lost to time sadly, let alone class
Another great video. GT classic!!
What an informative video about one of this petrol heads favourite ever cars. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
The sonar 190e was the best looking touring car ever made, great content subbed
I'm on lunch rn at the garage with the cosworth engine and ayyy that's why I'm here.
This is my favourite car of all time, nothing else looks quite like it.
Awesome video man. Any chance of a video of a Alfa 155 DTM or any other cars from that era DTM?
The most menacing car ever made, if one pulled up beside you he'd half expect to be kneecapped.
I think there's something to be said about racing cars that look like pedestrian cars that were very, very heavily modified. I think that's part of the reason why the 190E and the E30 M3, among many other Group A cars, were so loved. Because people could go and buy a car off the showrooms that looked 90% like the race car (even if missing many of the "special" bits of said racecar), and live out their racing driver fantasies... Unfortunately, I feel that's not very easy to achieve anymore...
When u used GT4 song, I can't resist to like the video.
the lego porsche in the background goes hard
The Evo2 was my dream car. I bought my replica Evo2 in 2006 for $5,000. I still own it.
One little correction: the german ei is pronounced like the english letter i. (And also ei is the german word for egg 😂) other than that your pronunciation of Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft was spot on
My mistake, thanks for the correction! I'll remember for next time
@@automobilistic yea, same for wolker weidlers name lol
Well lucky for him otherwise he would have ei on the face
Make more history story of racing please.
I love the story you tell about bmw win, then come Merc, then the Alfa.
Love it
This is one of the best new car channels. Great story telling in a concise format. Don’t know how you don’t have more subscribers.
Glad you enjoy the videos!
190E is one of my only love favourite Mercedes the reason why I love the 190e because due to racing DTM in 1990s and also that car race against E30 m3 and it was the best legend battle ever on DTM history. ❤❤❤
The top 3 GT3 DTMs of all time: Alfa Romeo 155 V6 Ti, Opel Calibra V6, and Mercedes 190E. What better trio could you think of? I feel like there's not another
Thats true.. in a world where the M3 doesnt exist
@@albertbord yeah or so, because honestly, I did not heard or seen the BMW that much, so thats maybe why, but you know, I wont deny anything that might be true ;)
@@kexcz8276 Thats true.. in a world where the Audi V8 DTM quattro doesnt exist
@@albertbordwell if they put in the money and effort to keep up after the 80’s then they would be included but they were sadly relegated to back of the pack privateers
If I ever win the lottery the first thing I'm buying is an EVO2
This car was in so many movies of the time. The baddies normally drove these. They looked sick!
Digging the old school Portuguese number plate on that Merc
Excellent choice of classic Gran Turismo music ❤
hey bro are u working on the vid idea that i give u some time ago? about the le mans layout and history. anyway nice vid about the merc keep up with this great stuff
2:19 trully a unicorn of a car
I loved this car and had a friend that wanted to build one of those in 92.
There’s a white 190 that I keep seeing whenever I run. That car is a whole vibe.
The 190e cosworths were actually designed with WRC in mind however Audi rendered this an impossible dream with the Quattro meaning Deutsche Touring Masters was the second choice for the cars chassis and engine combo.
The 190E is so nice and looks Amazing tbh wish i could own one
It's nice that this car is still relevant today, being the cover car for Need For Speed Unbound
Luxurious looking but intimidating at the same time 👍
This easily has to be one of my favourite looking cars!
Your glasses are fabulous.