@@asaasura6901 Hurrem did not defeat Ibrahim. Ibrahim did that himself by calling himself the sultan and making comments about lions and tamers. If Ibrahim had behaved properly, nobody, not even hurrem, could have taken him down. Suleiman loved and trusted him too much for that
@@venkataramadasvivekanand8662 you’re not entirely wrong but you’re not entirely right either. Let’s not forget that it was Hurrem who had Ayaz Pasha put those records in Suleimans hands. So yes she did defeat him.
I really love Shehzade Mustafa and Ibrahim Pasha relationship. He was his mentor, guide, philosopher, well wisher who gave his life to make him sit in the throne. He loved him like his own son.
in real life Mustafa was jealous that his dad payed more attention to ibrahim than him. He just paired with him when Hurrem married Suleiman as he had no supporters
He was saving himself only. He wanted Mustafa as ruling prince so that hurrem could not hurt him. All in vain as in the end sultan's heart won over his mind.
I always find the comment section interesting. It's always a Hurrem vs Mahidevran for "most evil" title, when in real life (and even as characters in the show) both women were enslaved individuals with NO ability to consent or say no when called to Suleiman's bed. Yes, favor of the sultan is preferable to being in the harem without favor, but let's not kid ourselves. It doesn't matter if Hurrem or Mahidevran loved Suleiman or not, they couldn't have turned him away as a concubines. Mahidevran had 1 son, Hurrem had at least 4, and once they had sons, their positions would have been terrifying. The love of a mother for her child can be indescribable, and to have the knowledge that to bare a prince for the dynasty brings status while also carries an inherent death sentence? That's some serious psychological stress. Of course they'd be willing to scheme to keep their children alive, wouldn't you?
Ibrahim , the way he opens the door in the room while Mustafa is sleeping with his concubine. Absolute disrespect. And then bowing in front of Mustafa 🤣🤣🤣 as a form of respect
This shows that TIMS production team has no clue about Ottoman dynasty. If Ibrahim has stepped in Eski palace during Suleiman's reign he would be dead about an hour later, never mind going g into the harem. Since Mustapha was circumcised, his apartment will be in princes quarters not in the harem. This scene is unnecessary and irritating. Really pity the Turkish people that their golden history was rolled in the mud like this.
@@kayodewa That was only after Ibrahim died . Till he was der , he protected Mustafa to the fullest . Regarding Mustafa's dead .. it was foolish from his part I believe , he shld have never been to Suleiman's tent as advised by all his closest people
@@girishs1480 Even if Ibrahim was still alive, Suleman can execute him anytime. He was the sultan and his father. Ibrahim cannot protect him from Suleiman he didn't have that power
yes, Hurrem just added fuel to the fire she had a small part in this, Mustafa brought his on end. Also Hurrem is smarter than trying to poison Mustafa in the palace
She was not strong She cant even control her 2 kids keeping fighting hole day and night Even selim on the throne bec of nurbanu not her She was not strong Sulyman was brainless And of course she was just an evil wicked whitch when even never felt sympathy while killing a baby or an unborn
@@shrutiiyer9531 she was evil BEFORE she even had kids, actually since episode 1 she proved to be a psychotic narcissist. You will loose count if you try to remember every time she poisoned, threatened, demanded, bitched, murdered, lied and especially left unpunished for everything above.
You asked about the second weapon - well, is a remembrance, I think Mustafa's, when Ibrahim tells him he is not a child anymore. Mustafa remembers the fact that on one occasion Suleyman seeing Mustafa grown up, provokes him to a fight. Mustafa handles well the situation, and Suleyman loses it, becomes aggressively. Shocks everybody around, by running to Mustafa’s neck. Before he cuts, came to his sences, and makes a lesson of the situation - Mustafa is not a child anymore, he lost his innocens - so winning in front of the sultan is inappropriate, but because he provoked Mustafa tells him, to keep a spare weapon in case he loses his sword. The scene is symbolic. Just like in this present scene, when Mustafa said, my father would not kill me because of this, Ibrahim shakes his head, looking down, saying obviously something he did not believe - no he won’t, but you will play an the hand of those, who wants to kill you.
Ibrahim becomes so impatient when mustafa refuses to go 😀after all,if there is no mustafa...ibrahim' s existence iself will become questionable 😀😀 Behind mustafa' s every mistake& every faults....mahidevran' s useless tears are there 😎😎irritating woman...responsible for mustafa' s execution 😎😎
Well irritating or not, she raised the best prince. His death marked the downfall of the ottoman rule. Hurrem raised a traitor - BAyazid and a drunk - Selim. So.... In the series and in reality.
@@mois5570 No she didn't. She raised the worst prince and candidate for execution. Every idiot with half a brain knows you do not overtly go against the sultan or query his decision.
@@mois5570 Mustafa was the worst prince 😎😎always whining,complaining,with a poker face...full of jealousy,selfishness,audacity& arrogance 😎😎just like his mom 😎😎just because he is the 1st born,he thought,automatically the throne belongs to him 😎😎and he never knew to make decisions on his own...he had always been mis- guided by his mom' s tears or ibrahim' s cunning words 😎😎 He would never hàve been the fair& just sultan 😎😎
@@bharathiramesh5878 Well, guess what. He was the most successful prince. I'm not sure why am I bothering to find arguments, because obviously you are incapable of doing so. You just launch an attack. Not quite a surprise. Hurrem fans are not very intelligent. But let’s do it for the fun. Mehmed didn't survived, so he wasn't strong enough, Selim was a drunkard, and.... many other things, doesn’t worth observing, Bayazid a traitor, Cihangir died because a psychical torment - so weak. This were the great princes? And, Mihrimah begging man to accept and love her. One more thing - whining was Hurrem's specialty. She was a poor girl kidnapped by Tatars, enslaved…. Just like everybody else. What was her very special trauma? Don’t answer you are stupid, can’t argue. You just proved it.
@@kayodewa Half brain - your characteristic. And you are a bad person, too. Otherwise, you would not be happy to someone’s death, and you would not call any person “candidate for execution”. Actually, I have more respect for Hurrem (if that is possible towards a fictional character), than for you, because she later in the series, before her death she finds Ibrahim grave, and she make toward the grave affectionate gesture. And thanked him for his contribution to her life, because without him, she would not have met Suleyman. I don’t like the scene for some reasons, I wouldn't elaborate about, to stay to the point. Hurrem told Mustafa that he has to die, because is not her son, but she wishes he would be. So, actually you are worst than a deadly enemy. What kind of person are you?
If Ibrahim was there no one can stop Mustafa from being the king not even Hurrem.
Yup that’s why Hürrem got rid of him
Not nessesarly Suliman dident trust him and Mustafa made alot of mistakes
@@asaasura6901 Hurrem did not defeat Ibrahim. Ibrahim did that himself by calling himself the sultan and making comments about lions and tamers. If Ibrahim had behaved properly, nobody, not even hurrem, could have taken him down. Suleiman loved and trusted him too much for that
@@venkataramadasvivekanand8662 you’re not entirely wrong but you’re not entirely right either. Let’s not forget that it was Hurrem who had Ayaz Pasha put those records in Suleimans hands. So yes she did defeat him.
I really love Shehzade Mustafa and Ibrahim Pasha relationship. He was his mentor, guide, philosopher, well wisher who gave his life to make him sit in the throne. He loved him like his own son.
Because of hurrem cheatings and dity games caused ottoman empire to collapse very bad.
Mustafa and Ibrahim's relationship is one of the best relationship in this series.
in real life Mustafa was jealous that his dad payed more attention to ibrahim than him. He just paired with him when Hurrem married Suleiman as he had no supporters
@@flowermagnolia4551 When Mustafa was a Child 🙄
@@thechief2745 yeah???
@@flowermagnolia4551 He was jealous of Ibrahim when he was a kid. Later he became good friend of Ibrahim.
@@thechief2745 yes I know
If Ibrahim lived long enough to protect mustafa.
What a relation they had beyond all these protocols 🤍
First #1
Mustafa was finally told basically to grow up by Ibrahim Pasa! Ibrahim Pasa saved his life and his relationship with his father for now.
There is no realtion with his father since childhood
@@marymofid2005 Suleiman never really payed attention to Mustafa as shown in the series
@@flowermagnolia4551 how do you know that?
Much respect to Ibrahim for cautioning mustafa
He was saving himself only. He wanted Mustafa as ruling prince so that hurrem could not hurt him.
All in vain as in the end sultan's heart won over his mind.
Mustafa forgot İbrahim's advice 😭😭 he always consider sulieman as his father not sultan
Just like Ibrahim considered Suleiman as his friend , not sultan 🙃
Very true...
ibrahim loves mustafa the most i think more than his own father..
True
Fact. His own dad doesn't loved him and always favoured Hooran Sultan first born son Shehzade Mehmed as the crown prince
Mustafa would have become a legendary Sultan but his only curse was that his father never trusted him.
@@pranavsubramaniyan6667 True. He had the support of both the military and the people, but due to Suleiman’s fear, that was all for naught.
He needed him
Ibrahim know how to speak with mustafa
I suppose all good uncles do. My uncles do. Ibrahim did and I hope that one day I can protect my own nephew that way
I always find the comment section interesting. It's always a Hurrem vs Mahidevran for "most evil" title, when in real life (and even as characters in the show) both women were enslaved individuals with NO ability to consent or say no when called to Suleiman's bed. Yes, favor of the sultan is preferable to being in the harem without favor, but let's not kid ourselves. It doesn't matter if Hurrem or Mahidevran loved Suleiman or not, they couldn't have turned him away as a concubines. Mahidevran had 1 son, Hurrem had at least 4, and once they had sons, their positions would have been terrifying. The love of a mother for her child can be indescribable, and to have the knowledge that to bare a prince for the dynasty brings status while also carries an inherent death sentence? That's some serious psychological stress. Of course they'd be willing to scheme to keep their children alive, wouldn't you?
At last someone commented my mind 🤩
Ibrahim , the way he opens the door in the room while Mustafa is sleeping with his concubine. Absolute disrespect. And then bowing in front of Mustafa 🤣🤣🤣 as a form of respect
don't sacrifice us to her tears.... crying 😭😭😭😭
No better sacrifice us to mommys tears instead
I love mutafa and ibrahim pasha the most ib this seriez.
Mustafa!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍🔝
The excuse was so on point... Wow
I wonder how long he took to kiss that hand
Sultan Suleiman dnt under stand properly Hureem, she was so danger n criminal minded.
I hate her, the most evil women!👎👎👎👎👎👎😡
He understood her that’s why he loved her and she did everything to survive?? U won’t even last a minute if u were her so stop yapping
Of course hurrem should just let slaughter her five children with herself why should they have any survival right
Yeah, totally a witch!
The last scene was amazing ❤🔥🔥✨✨
I don't like Abrahim but he's too smart 🔥
Yes mahi his mind is not right because you have pushed your crazy on him.
His father pushed him, not his mother. He had to kneel down to a common psychopath.
This shows that TIMS production team has no clue about Ottoman dynasty. If Ibrahim has stepped in Eski palace during Suleiman's reign he would be dead about an hour later, never mind going g into the harem. Since Mustapha was circumcised, his apartment will be in princes quarters not in the harem. This scene is unnecessary and irritating. Really pity the Turkish people that their golden history was rolled in the mud like this.
Whatever it may be . Point is , Ibrahim was powerful enough to bring back Mustafa on track
@@girishs1480 What track? The track to his death?
@@kayodewa That was only after Ibrahim died . Till he was der , he protected Mustafa to the fullest .
Regarding Mustafa's dead .. it was foolish from his part I believe , he shld have never been to Suleiman's tent as advised by all his closest people
@@girishs1480 Even if Ibrahim was still alive, Suleman can execute him anytime. He was the sultan and his father. Ibrahim cannot protect him from Suleiman he didn't have that power
YEAH, like during Suleiman's reign THAT'S when the harem moved to Topaki sayri but in this series, they are already there like what.
Ibrahim teach
yes u scoundralish lady hurrem, the disaster u were trying to cause is prevented , u drama creator!
Yea...just so you know this isn't how the betrayal between father and son went down IRL...had NOTHING to do with Hurrem.
yes, Hurrem just added fuel to the fire she had a small part in this, Mustafa brought his on end. Also Hurrem is smarter than trying to poison Mustafa in the palace
episode no?!
Mahidevran restless cause every lose to Mustafa
Suliman doesn't trust Mustafa.
look how sad hurrem becomes when she cannot cause harm to someone. narcicisstic crow!
👏👏👏👏👏
What choice did she had she knew Mahideran would kill her kids and Mustafa was always disrespectful to her
@@katarinasvensson9801she poisoned Mustafa before suleiman fell sick and Mahi threatened her.
@@saaymaaroshni6324 not true Mahideran poisond her and her son long before. And Hurrem knew Mahideran would turn her son against his siblings
Exactly the way Mahideran feels then she can hurt anyone close to Hurrem
Turkish politics were very...robust. Yikes
SHEZADE MUSTAFA, how can imbrahim talk like that
I think he could and he should he was like a teacher ma friend a guide to him and as he said himself I can speak like that to save you from enemies
Loved the role pasha played here!❤
I hate evil hurrem. Many people says hurrem is strong. Ya she is evil
She was not strong
She cant even control her 2 kids keeping fighting hole day and night
Even selim on the throne bec of nurbanu not her
She was not strong
Sulyman was brainless
And of course she was just an evil wicked whitch when even never felt sympathy while killing a baby or an unborn
@@marymofid2005 yes exactly the most cunning woman of the whole Ottoman empire✌️✌️✌️
Cunning
hurry had to be evil. Its either her kids or Mustafa. Any mother would do anything to save her kids
@@shrutiiyer9531 she was evil BEFORE she even had kids, actually since episode 1 she proved to be a psychotic narcissist.
You will loose count if you try to remember every time she poisoned, threatened, demanded, bitched, murdered, lied and especially left unpunished for everything above.
What is it about a second weapon?
Just a useful tip regarding fighting. Never have just one weapon, have more (in case you lose your sword, you can still use a dagger or a mace).
You asked about the second weapon - well, is a remembrance, I think Mustafa's, when Ibrahim tells him he is not a child anymore. Mustafa remembers the fact that on one occasion Suleyman seeing Mustafa grown up, provokes him to a fight. Mustafa handles well the situation, and Suleyman loses it, becomes aggressively. Shocks everybody around, by running to Mustafa’s neck. Before he cuts, came to his sences, and makes a lesson of the situation - Mustafa is not a child anymore, he lost his innocens - so winning in front of the sultan is inappropriate, but because he provoked Mustafa tells him, to keep a spare weapon in case he loses his sword. The scene is symbolic. Just like in this present scene, when Mustafa said, my father would not kill me because of this, Ibrahim shakes his head, looking down, saying obviously something he did not believe - no he won’t, but you will play an the hand of those, who wants to kill you.
How evil was Hurrem 😠🤬
Hurrem wasn't evil. It was Mahidevran who made Mustafa against Sultan by lying to him
@@ayzasaqib1907 No, Hurrem was evil, he killed many innocent people. She is the root of destruction
@@farazzzz669 DO YOUR RESEARCH SHE WASN'T
@@flowermagnolia4551 Bruh l did research she is known as a power hungry women
@@farazzzz669 then I don't think you used the right sources but if you say so. And hurrem is one person ( woman not women )
Hurrem 👎👎👎👎👎👎
I dont agree it was her or him or do you forget how Ibrahim poisond Leo just to be evil
@@katarinasvensson9801, Hurrem poisond many girls in real life
Ibrahim becomes so impatient when mustafa refuses to go 😀after all,if there is no mustafa...ibrahim' s existence iself will become questionable 😀😀
Behind mustafa' s every mistake& every faults....mahidevran' s useless tears are there 😎😎irritating woman...responsible for mustafa' s execution 😎😎
Well irritating or not, she raised the best prince. His death marked the downfall of the ottoman rule. Hurrem raised a traitor - BAyazid and a drunk - Selim. So.... In the series and in reality.
@@mois5570 No she didn't. She raised the worst prince and candidate for execution. Every idiot with half a brain knows you do not overtly go against the sultan or query his decision.
@@mois5570 Mustafa was the worst prince 😎😎always whining,complaining,with a poker face...full of jealousy,selfishness,audacity& arrogance 😎😎just like his mom 😎😎just because he is the 1st born,he thought,automatically the throne belongs to him 😎😎and he never knew to make decisions on his own...he had always been mis- guided by his mom' s tears or ibrahim' s cunning words 😎😎
He would never hàve been the fair& just sultan 😎😎
@@bharathiramesh5878 Well, guess what. He was the most successful prince. I'm not sure why am I bothering to find arguments, because obviously you are incapable of doing so. You just launch an attack. Not quite a surprise. Hurrem fans are not very intelligent.
But let’s do it for the fun.
Mehmed didn't survived, so he wasn't strong enough, Selim was a drunkard, and.... many other things, doesn’t worth observing, Bayazid a traitor, Cihangir died because a psychical torment - so weak. This were the great princes? And, Mihrimah begging man to accept and love her.
One more thing - whining was Hurrem's specialty. She was a poor girl kidnapped by Tatars, enslaved…. Just like everybody else. What was her very special trauma? Don’t answer you are stupid, can’t argue. You just proved it.
@@kayodewa Half brain - your characteristic. And you are a bad person, too. Otherwise, you would not be happy to someone’s death, and you would not call any person “candidate for execution”. Actually, I have more respect for Hurrem (if that is possible towards a fictional character), than for you, because she later in the series, before her death she finds Ibrahim grave, and she make toward the grave affectionate gesture. And thanked him for his contribution to her life, because without him, she would not have met Suleyman. I don’t like the scene for some reasons, I wouldn't elaborate about, to stay to the point. Hurrem told Mustafa that he has to die, because is not her son, but she wishes he would be. So, actually you are worst than a deadly enemy. What kind of person are you?