Inside KTM's SECRET Test Rooms in Austria👀
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
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The MXA Wrecking Crew flew to Mattighofen, Austria, to tour KTM's R&D facility where they design, develop and construct their engines and chassis. Plus, we toured the WP suspension facility and their new MotoHall museum in downtown Mattighofen. In this video, follow Josh Mosiman along for a tour of KTM. We did our best to show off as much as we could, but there were a lot of areas where we couldn't bring our video camera's. Stay tuned for more videos and magazine articles from our time in Austria.
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Didn't realize I'd be so jealous of an Austrian woman today, thanks MXA
You’re welcome to visit at any time 🤘🏼
Really appreciate Motocross action magazine for inside home KTM factory fantastic great videos 👍👏🇬🇧
Proof positive why KTM Group is on top of the MX scene! Awesome video. -NY
But still getting smashed by Honda?
@@DestricaUKGamingthis is not true
@@AntonPietschmannidk dude, KTM hasn't even been able to podium aside from one race in the U.S. Nationals this year, and all this testing and development they did for the '23 bike with feedback from U.S. tracks, still was in the complete opposite direction of what their top rider wanted in a bike. He basically made them redo everything on it, confirmed in a press conference (or post race conference, I'd have to find it). (Cooper Webb) I'll give them complete credit for all they're trying to do, especially with development, but I think they need to pay less attention to "data" on a screen, and more attention to what their riders are asking for in the professional global scene. What they really need to do is figure out why they're still snapping frames 20 years later🤦🏻♂️ I don't trust these bikes whatsoever, I've seen too much weird shit happen with them over the years that Japanese manufacturers don't have a problem with.
@@airborneindustries4987 Shut up man! Maybe you're just a little jealous because the KTM brand owns Husqvarna and GasGas and are at the top of the game! They just need some great riders/ racers. Honda is the most winning brand but no need to put KTM and any other brand down!
Pit Beirer really elevated KTM to the next level when he came onboard, Sure Everts & R.D & Ian for the models, but Pit´s work the last decades has really put KTM to the highest level.
Now I want to see what is happening in Japan, sometimes I wonder what the future holds … KTM is all in … that moto hall looks sick
KTMs business model makes all the Japanese models look decentralized and outdated. The Japanese do too many different things to innovate as aggressively as KTM group
@@microsoft790Yeah Rado said it best Motorcycles are a small portion of the Japanese percentage.
We are really blessed with KTM and the KTM Group. Struggled in their first shot and Shot to the Skys with their sales.
I’m a proud owner of Husky and Happy to Support the Austrians!
Japan is OUT as it should've been a long time ago.
@@Davido50 yea Suzuki seems to be on life support, Kawi and Yama are still making some of the best competition bikes. Sure they slapped an X on a few bikes but KTM is making the whole range of bikes with intent.
@@mbfyyjderhjkVvvhonda is winning all motocross championships recently in usa. KTM will NEVER be as good as Yamaha or Honda. The reliability of Japanese is king and performance matches
Wow, we need to appreciate effort that KTM is putting into motorcycle industry. Their approach comes right from passion becuase for them, motorcycles aren't just a column in Excel file of huge Japanese corporations. Truly amazing. Thank you MXA for this video.
ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!! All that money and people working but still could not get Webb comfortable enough to win a Supercross championship on their new bike..😮. That would be a dream job to work there in Austria. Thanks!!
Well that's how it rolls in Pro MX. Honda HRC had a dry spell for awhile too. Supposedly the biggest race team. Nobody beats KTM Group now!
@@Davido50what do you even mean? They are not winning 250 or 450 sx😂
Incredible indeed! Btw. They are hiring all the time, they have all kinds of positions open for people to apply. Maybe you could give it a try
Please do more videos like this
That was a cool tour. Thanks for sharing that!
Was awesome to catch up with you guys here. Great video as well.
Thanks Josh and Mxa great stuff 👍 👏
Absolutely love this episode!!!
KTM is an amazing company and not just because I own one, but it doesn’t hurt😳😆👍👍👍
Gotta say I havn’t been the biggest MXA fan. But wow is Mosiman killing it with killer content. Kudos
Great content! Thank´s for that tour! Regards from Germany 🙂
Impressive, but being that they test the brake squeaking you would think they wouldn't be the squeakiest brakes on any bike!
But we can make it way better with a shim shuffle! lol
Cool that was really interesting, wow that audio room is amazing. Thanks for the tour!
Where they keeping those Kymco cylinders?
Watched most of the John Penton Story on MavTV yesterday. You have to wonder where KTM would be today without that man’s vision and foresight back then! I hope he’s represented in that museum.
Josh living the dream. , gets to ride factory bikes. Tests new models races nationals , travels the world touring factory’s Flys in f16. And gets paid to do it all. 👍
Now I understand why a KTM is the best bike money can buy.
I was there in 2013. Some of the Buildings you had to leave you cell phone in a box, they returned it back to you once you left.
Wow. So cool! I want that full time job finding and restoring bikes!!
Incredible what ktm have on display for thier exhibitions and showcases i wish I could visit this place its so up my alley, im a ktm fan can you tell lol
I can see myself really having a good time in the R&D department, guys have done an amazing job designing those test jigs, Respect.
and of course, the King of the Two-Stroke is KTM, hope we see more breakthrough tech in the Two-Stroke design from them.
Just absolutely incredible! Amazing that they have all that equipment and the facilities are so clean! Love my 2016 KTM and hope to get one of the 2023 bikes soon!
Great content! Thank´s for that tour! Regards from Germany . Im proud to own a KTM. Amazing bikes.
Tq for the touring...
Very cool, now if they could only match parts availability to the awesomeness of the bikes they created.
how did noone notice the picture of the woman on the wall at 12:39?
Excellent report. ty.
Even the sound of your mic is crystal clear in that room
Im proud to own a KTM. Amazing bikes
Awesome job Josh. Hope you're healing up. And this right here folks is why KTM's cost a little more. Amazing. If only the Japanese manufacturers cared this much.
What a great insight! A visit at the KISKA Design Studio would have been cool too!
Dam it's massive. I would've never thought. Japan big 4 next
We came to see the sound room. We stayed to see nina 😂
By the way - the guys from KTM are speaking English. There is no need to repeat every single word they say.
Harley has had this tuning room for years and Harley took the idea from the tuning fork company, Yamaha! It's great to see KTM bring this in house.
I hope that they're working on a new ktm450sx quad! Would be totally sick to see ktm return to atvmx again with a factory team. Im curious if they had a 450 or 505sx quad in their motohall...🤔
Nina has the coolest job ever
Definitely going to try and go check that place out myself one day.
That's cool!
This is awesome!
That was bad ass!
why is there a picture of luigi at 12:36
Best bikes on the planet.
I just LOVE KTM 🧡
KTM has so much cool technology. Why can't they make a slave cylinder that doesn't fail?
Can you guys do a test on the 23 ktm 450xc-f, I need mxa to get me dialed in
Now it’s not a secret anymore!😮💨
Amazing to see all the r&d going into Ktm dirt bikes. I can’t help thinking though… all that and they can’t build a four stroke engine that doesn’t vibrate like a blender with a broken bearing…. Still a lot to be said for Japanese engineering.
Cool place
How could one possibly start working there for them
I love everything dirt bike man shit is so cool
Wow, this is the mostly highly impressive factility ive ever seen. They have every aspect covered in one spot
Very cool
I’m impressed and also baffled that they do all this testing and their bikes are still unreliable. Where are they going wrong to the point they have a bad reputation globally for their reliability issues?
THE FUN IT S OVER WHEN BIKE BLOWS UP
think chase will bring them some success?
It seems that not even with the acoustic room they can understand that their engines sound as if they were about to fall apart into pieces at any moment. They do new and interesting things, but they are also capable of making the same mistakes over and over again.
All this and bolts keep getting loose
What was the best one?!?
And the 23’s suck that bad
Now let’s see Yamaha
TBH Nina did a little restoration on me
I want to work with Nena! 😊
I love ktm, but all of this and they still cant get the bikes to handle better than a 20 year old yz? 🤦🏻♂️ engines are amazing, but why for so many years couldnt they get their WP stuff and geometry right
India and Taiwan affiliates next vid?
Not so secret anymore😂
man.. F* love KTM
All this to be beat by every manufacturer including it’s own.
I hear some DeitschEnglish
Stark. Varg.
Designed in Austria but made in India=Fail.
All that RnD and resources and they’re still putting shite spokes that break instantly in all their bikes 😂
Japan is OUT as it should've been a long time ago.
Do they have a scale. Get the bike "ready to run" and put it on the scale and STOP LYING ABOUT ITS WEIGHT! No bike runs without fuel, oil, and coolant. KTM start reporting true ready to run weight. Full Disclosure.
KTM:Repair to Ride!
Lots of secrets alright , dodgy.
DUDE!!! 😂😂😂😂
Pissing away good money. The squeakiest brake pads in off road.
Awesome kymco commie Chinese parts!
What a dum interview , 1 min 20 seconds showing and repeating the premises . Then Mandi tells you about something , and you repeat what he said . Hey Dude he is speaking english , you dont need to interpret english it us . Hey cool , good stuff , super exciting . what a clown
Nina is a hotty 😎
Fucking amazing engineering.
whats up with that 125 that bike looks awesome what year is that does not look anything like the 2024 american models.
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS
Increased connectivity to the machine.
The handlebars have two main functions, one, they provide grips for the rider to hold onto, keeping the rider attached to the machine, and the other, they are used for steering control which is essential for balance and directional control.
There are two grips on the handlebars used by the rider to hold onto, keeping the rider on the bike and also connecting the rider to the steering control.
One of them, the right one, is loose and spins on the handlebars.
So why have a grip that spins?
Necessity.
Motocrossers need a throttle control, and trial and error has determined the twistgrip throttle control to be the best option available on carbureted motorcycles. But it is a compromise.
While most motocross riders are aware of how the traditional twistgrip throttle interferes with keeping their elbow up and their wrist straight, few however, will be aware of the reduced connectivity to the handlebars and therefore reduced control of their machine a loose spinning grip causes because it's all they have ever known so they are unaware of this negative affect but if you doubt that a loose grip is detrimental to connectivity, feel and control ask yourself if a downhill mountain bikers would choose to have a spinning grip.
No downhill mountain biker would choose to have a spinning grip for obvious reasons but not obvious to motocross riders because it is all they have ever experienced, it's all they know, so a spinning grip feels natural and normal to them.
Ask a motocross rider if they would like to have the left grip loose and spinning should help them realize that loose spinning grips are detrimental to connectivity, feel and ultimately control.
Motocross bikes have progressed quite rapidly and are now fuel injected which presents an opportunity for another system of throttle control, a system that does not require a spinning throttle tube to control the throttle.
ASYMMETRY
Another thing to consider is asymmetry.
There is an inherent asymmetry in having one grip loose and one grip solid.
This results in asymmetry in the riders physical position on the bike when they are applying throttle, with one elbow up and the other down.
Asymmetry is detrimental to control of the bike. No one wants bent bars or one footrest higher or further back than the other.
Watch the start of any motocross race and you will see riders with one elbow up and the other down.
SOME HURDLES TO OVERCOME
Ride by wire
My system does requires a ride by wire type of throttle control unit.
Currently non of the manufacturers offer ride by wire on their motocross motorcycles.
I am aware that the FIM has currently banned ride by wire throttle control for reasons that are unclear. I cannot think of a rational reason why the FIM has banned ride by wire for MXGP.
It certainly cannot be for safety reasons because ride by wire is used on 200hp superbikes and it can't be because of costs because it is also used on budget bikes like the KTM 390 Duke.
As far as I know the AMA has not banned ride by wire.
I am sure the FIM could be persuaded to lift their ban, surely they do not want to stand in the way of progress?
Proof of concept tests
No current motocross bike has ride by wire, so to test my system would require converting an OEM motocross bike to ride by wire. I think it would probably be easier for initial proof of concept tests to be done on an electric bike like the KTM Freeride E, the Alta, the Vark or the ElectricMotion trials bike.
WHISKEY THROTTLE
Some people have commented that they think my system could result in accidental throttle openings (whiskey throttle) while bouncing around a motocross track with high impacts like square edge bumps and hard landings.(Some of those may have confused twist force with squeeze pressure.)
My argument against that is that any action that would cause accidental throttle on my twist force throttle control,
would also cause accidental throttle on a conventional twist position throttle control, so a twist force throttle would not be more prone to accidental throttle than a traditional twistgrip throttle.
In other words any action that resulted in an unintended twist force being applied to the throttle grip would also
result in the rotation of a traditional throttle's twistgrip.
Both systems require a twist force to increase throttle, it is just that with my system there is no rotational movement.
Surely if riders can keep the throttle-tube in a constant position without unintentionally moving it while bouncing
around a motocross track they would be able to keep a consistent twist pressure while bouncing around a motocross track.
My twist pressure throttle control will not cause any more accidental throttle than the traditional system.
In fact I believe it could result in less unintended throttle because it is easier to reduce twist force on the throttle grip without actually having to counter rotate it than having to counter rotate the throttle tube while being
pushed back by the accidental acceleration.
I believe my throttle control system would not only be beneficial in motocross but hard-enduro, trials, off-road and
even in the high precision world of MotoGP.
continued
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS
Increased connectivity to the machine.
The handlebars have two main functions, one, they provide grips for the rider to hold onto, keeping the rider attached
to the machine, and the other, they are used for steering control which is essential for balance and directional control.
There are two grips on the handlebars used by the rider to hold onto, keeping the rider on the bike and also connecting
the rider to the steering control.
One of them, the right one, is loose and spins on the handlebars.
So why have a grip that spins?
Necessity.
Motocrossers need a throttle control, and trial and error has determined the twistgrip throttle control to be the best
option available on carbureted motorcycles. But it is a compromise.
While most motocross riders are aware of how the traditional twistgrip throttle interferes with keeping their elbow up and their wrist straight, few however, will be aware of the reduced connectivity to the handlebars and therefore reduced control of their machine a loose spinning grip causes because it's all they have ever known so they are unaware of this negative affect but if you doubt that a loose grip is detrimental to connectivity, feel and control ask yourself if a downhill mountain bikers would choose to have a spinning grip.
No downhill mountain biker would choose to have a spinning grip for obvious reasons but not obvious to motocross riders because it is all they have ever experienced, it's all they know, so a spinning grip feels natural and normal to them.
Ask a motocross rider if they would like to have the left grip loose and spinning should help them realize that loose
spinning grips are detrimental to connectivity, feel and ultimately control.
Motocross bikes have progressed quite rapidly and are now fuel injected which presents an opportunity for another
system of throttle control, a system that does not require a spinning throttle tube to control the throttle.
ASYMMETRY
Another thing to consider is asymmetry.
There is an inherent asymmetry in having one grip loose and one grip solid.
This results in asymmetry in the riders physical position on the bike when they are applying throttle, with one elbow
up and the other down.
Asymmetry is detrimental to control of the bike. No one wants bent bars or one footrest higher or further back than the other.
Watch the start of any motocross race and you will see riders with one elbow up and the other down.
SOME HURDLES TO OVERCOME
Ride by wire
My system does requires a ride by wire type of throttle control unit.
Currently non of the manufacturers offer ride by wire on their motocross motorcycles.
I am aware that the FIM has currently banned ride by wire throttle control for reasons that are unclear. I cannot think
of a rational reason why the FIM has banned ride by wire for MXGP.
It certainly cannot be for safety reasons because ride by wire is used on 200hp superbikes and it can't be because of
costs because it is also used on budget bikes like the KTM 390 Duke.
As far as I know the AMA has not banned ride by wire.
I am sure the FIM could be persuaded to lift their ban, surely they do not want to stand in the way of progress?
Proof of concept tests
No current motocross bike has ride by wire, so to test my system would require converting an OEM motocross bike to ride by wire. I think it would probably be easier for initial proof of concept tests to be done on an electric bike like the
KTM Freeride E, the Alta, the Vark or the ElectricMotion trials bike.
WHISKEY THROTTLE
Some people have commented that they think my system could result in accidental throttle openings (whiskey throttle) while bouncing around a motocross track with high impacts like square edge bumps and hard landings.(Some of those may have confused twist force with squeeze pressure.)
My argument against that is that any action that would cause accidental throttle on my twist force throttle control,
would also cause accidental throttle on a conventional twist position throttle control, so a twist force throttle would
not be more prone to accidental throttle than a traditional twistgrip throttle.
In other words any action that resulted in an unintended twist force being applied to the throttle grip would also
result in the rotation of a traditional throttle's twistgrip.
Both systems require a twist force to increase throttle, it is just that with my system there is no rotational movement.
Surely if riders can keep the throttle-tube in a constant position without unintentionally moving it while bouncing
around a motocross track they would be able to keep a consistent twist pressure while bouncing around a motocross track.
My twist pressure throttle control will not cause any more accidental throttle than the traditional system.
In fact I believe it could result in less unintended throttle because it is easier to reduce twist force on the throttle grip without actually having to counter rotate it than having to counter rotate the throttle tube while being
pushed back by the accidental acceleration.
I believe my throttle control system would not only be beneficial in motocross but hard-enduro, trials, off-road and
even in the high precision world of MotoGP.
😂🎉😅
Yeah I don't like hard throttles for sure. Takes up half your energy.
Rave on...🤣🤣🤣 get a grip..
🎉🎉
Mmm
Nice
A-shame, all this money, people, and time and can Not get a win in MX…..SMH to u people
Ryan Dungey's legacy lives on there. See his front number plate and the RD coffee logo above the glass at the test bench at 05:53.
Lol at the ktm USA old hq they had a corner with all his winning bikes and a signed jersey pretty badass.
KTM have come so far
They spent all that money on that sound room just for me to put a pro circuit on my bike 😭
WP stands for White Power...so still keeping with the old fashioned austrian racism...KTM its one of the worst brands of bikes relaibility wise...they are just awful and with sckethy warranty...in the last they had things like the frame would crack and for the next year model, i kidd you not , they would advertise: why fixed the issue of the frames and they are stronger now...yeah, but what about the people that, bought last year,s model new ? ...KTM makes fun bikes to ride, but overpriced and unrelaible.
Is the museum open to the public?
Need to do more testing on the FI 2 stokes so many issues
We see that a Beta has entered the chat
My tpi is fine have both carb and tpi they run nearly the same
clickbate
So badass
Nina has a very cool job. Dream factory