4:50 actually isn’t a bug. You only get this win screen if you win with Asterius. It’s a reference to the lore that Asterius drives its wielder insane. So Joker smiling like that is due to the influence of his Persona.
@@skeleteleportation8043it's an implication due to Shabrys being batshit insane Labrys' actual shadow was not plus with Joker taking on the qualities by using it.
Here are some more: Morgana's secret savings come back in Persona 5 Royal, in the scene following Sojiro's instructions for a good date, he will pay for the bouquet of flowers. If you fast travel or use the train on October 31st, the loading screen has the silhouettes dressed up in Halloween costumes, including someone dressed up as a jack frost.
Also, Bon Jovi is canon in Persona 5. During a group chat after Makoto awakens her persona, Ryuji says "I'm a Phantom. On a steel horse I ride," an obvious node to Bon Jovi's song Wanted; replacing the word Cowboy with Phantom. Right after Ryuji sent that, Makoto says "I'm most certainly not wanted." Lol.
@@velvetbutterflyBut since 2 is the only prime number that is even, and because 8 is a cool number, the game actually takes place in 1987, right before the bite.
Other useless facts: Ann was partially raised by a nanny while her parents were away, and she likes video games on handheld consoles. Also, in the thieves den in Royal you can hear Ryuji’s limp in his walk if you transform into him
More pointless facts if people are curious: - Despite being replaced by Abby Trott, there's an instance of where Royal still uses one of Kirsten Potter's voice lines. It's clearly a case of forgetting to swap out the recording in the game's data, but it occurs after sending Shido's calling card (Specifically, her line "They just don't get it"). - The much maligned scene post-Shido's palace (Ryuji being ganged up on by the female thieves after making one too many stupid remarks) has data files showing that an original concept was to have the entire cast (Joker possibly included) join in on it. - The English pronunciation of the main cast's names were requested by the Japanese side (despite them not matching the way they'd be pronounced in Japan). This has led to minor inconsistencies where background characters will say them closer to the Japanese pronunciation (obviously a different studio or location handling the recording of minor voice lines). - Joker originally living with Sae explains a lot of the small details in the game: many cut scenes utilize the strangely detailed apartment (likely recycled after the idea of living with Sae was scraped) and the view in the calendar is likely meant to be the view from the apartment. - (This one is extremely well known) Makoto is wearing a headband. Her hair isn't braided. - Max Mittelman has a line in Mementos where he coughs very awkwardly at the end. The recording studio decided to keep it for seemingly no reason (probably because someone was brought in to cut the lines with no context and thought it was important).
3:26 im pretty sure he wore them because societally people with glasses are feared less and hes already worried people would fear him because of his criminal record
In a similar vein I remember hearing someone that it was because he has a naturally intimidating stare and the glasses soften it I think it might have spawned from the anime as instead of Mashima getting hit with a volleyball Kamoshida tries to flex himself against Joker but joker being joker takes the blow fairly well but it knocks off his glasses and when he turns back to face Kamoshida his glare is threatening to the point it phases Kamoshida
For the loading screen Takemi is at the beginning of the game when you first head to Leblanc and I’m pretty sure it’s similar with iwai when you head to shibuya
Here's a potentially useless fact, and it's a gameplay fact. During Okumura's boss fight in Persona 5 Royal, as you know, he orders his robots to target one of your party members. The funny thing is that using the items Spotlight or Limelight, or the move Taunting Aura by equipping the Alluring Belt item, it makes a character the main target for most attacks. The effects of these items/skill has a higher priority than Okumura's orders, even if the order changed before the item/skill effect wears off.
@@Gamaxp id choose morgana b- but like, y’know, platonically, c- cause, y’know, he goes on an’ on about his “lady” ann but like, id give the lil guy someone within his tiny ass league 💀
@@GamaxpI feel like an Akechi romance wouldn't make sense at ranks 8-10, since rank 8 takes place during Sae's arc when the Phantom Thieves are tricking him, and 9 and 10 take place in Shido's palace before and after his (Akechi's) boss fight. But I honestly think it could still make for a great romance option if it happens later. Don't know how you would trigger it though. Also Shinya romance.
I love the idea of Akechi's palace, and the thought of him breaking character on TV is really neat. I love his personality a lot tbh, and the whole "master Akechi" concept is cool as well. Also, Akechi went to a maid cafe in the manga. By himself. So there's a random fact.
4:47 Seeing Igor standing behind Mishima legitimately jump scared me. He looks significantly creepier than normal. ... of course, thats well before big spoilers for him.
I personally believe that Sai's treasure was a Calling Card, not the father's notebook. I say that because she seems to first start "losing herself" after thieves take out Kaneshiro - which would make the source of her distortion the thieves (with calling card being their identifying symbol).
not sure i agree. the phantom thieves dont make her lose herself, they make her jump off the deep end. The subtext is that she forgot her original goal of prosecuting the guilty to protect the innocent long before the thieves showed up, but it was the thieves that made the distortion plain enough to see that it could be fixed. To fix a problem, you have to first recognize it. Sai had the problem before the thieves, likely a result of the corrupt and broken system, but it wasnt until the thieves drove her to extremes that she could identify it. Heck, if we go one step further and analyze the fact sai's treasure was never actually taken, it proves that the change came from within. And besides, look at all the other palaces. In every other instance, it was a trauma that was denied that grew and festered into a distortion. Kamoshida was a man of unhealthy lust far before the thieves got involved. Madarame killed through inaction due to his vanity. Kaneshiro idolized cash since he was a child, and grew into a big name in a criminal organization to fuel his greed. futaba wallowed in sloth ever since she was burdened with the weight of "killing" her mother and growing to believe the lies. okumera was an evil businessman who saw no emotional value in her daughter long before the thieves got involved. Shido thought he was owed the world and CREATED the thieves through his pride. In no other instance was a distortion large enough to form a palace something that emerged on such a short scale. That is what the mementos requests were for; stopping a distortion before it became a palace. If Sai's distortion was recent enough to be caused by the thieves, it would have been resolved in mementos long before it could warp her view of reality. Sai's view of reality was only distorted in her "me vs them" view. She saw people as obstacles between her goals, but still recognized them as people. But her constant "winning" against odds she saw stacked against her gave her a bit of a larger than life ego, thinking she was untouchable and that winning was the only thing that mattered. She couldnt learn from a loss in her eyes, and it took receiving an actual loss against the phantom thieves to prove there was value in defeat and that the world is not out to pick on her specifically. Heck, it remains true even into royal content, and dont worry, i will keep the spoilers as vague as possible. The new palace ruler struggled with the loss of a loved one, and though they came to terms with their decision enough to awaken an inner power, that power was still fueled by a savior complex; one in which they would happily become a martyr before recognizing how unhealthy their view was. They welcomed pain so they could feel something, and attribute the suffering to a higher purpose.
@@cullenlatham2366 I admit it's open to interpretation. We just don't have enough information to make a conclusive judgement. And I think that was intentional - I mean, I think the question was actually directly asked at one point what her treasure was and the question was blown off. I 100% get why people would conclude her treasure was dad's notebook. There's other possibilities I can think of as well with varying degrees of likelihood. I don't disagree that she was already in a shaky state prior to thieves and that their actions just pushed her over edge. But we saw that it doesn't have to be something from far past that is the treasure when we saw Kaneshiro - his suitcase with $3M in it was a current item. Personally, I just like to take the approach of it being calling card because it gives a personal connection between her and the Thieves that I enjoy thought of. It's one of the fun things about fandoms: exploring possibilities - from the highly likely to the unlikely, but possible... to the totally impossible, but fun to explore idea of alternate timeline. (Like people that made Sumi-MC mods. Just fun to look at various things from various angles.) :D
@@ShadowService yeah, in the end, it does not really matter what the treasure is since Sai herself had to be the one to overcome it, but i do want to point out one detail of kaneshiro's treasure: children's bank notes. I cant prove how "old" the treasure is, but the fact it is children's bank play currency suggests it was something he coveted since he was young. The only thing the game states about treasures is that it is the object that signifies the start of their distortion. Kamoshida's medal gave him a big head, madarame's first abusive painting alteration showed him he could "get away" with stealing art. Kaneshiro is heavily implied to find solace as a bullied child in his play money, hoping to buy his way out of strife and creating a dependence on cash that put its value over that of the people around him, especially at the bottom of the social ladder with no one he could call a friend. Futaba's treasure is the vaguest of the confirmed ones, being some combination of a peaceful rest (coffin), her dead mother, and herself. okumera was a spaceship model that made him idolize acention that takes the form of space travel in his palace and political power in the real world. Sai's is suggested to be her father's journal for much the same reasons as past rulers; it was her father that put the love of law into her, his death that made her go on the offensive, and her grief over his death that made her loose sight of her ideals. The calling card, meanwhile, has much less meaning behind it, being at most the moment she realized there were foes she couldnt easily overcome, which is already established as covered by the proposed journal with even aketchi pointing out how corrupt and unfair the system is; she would find that roadblock just by nature of being a "woman in a man's job", and likely long before the phantom thieves got involved. Shido is the one i tend to forget, being lost in the "its over! no more threats to deal with!" atmosphere to really take note of looking at the treasure for the sake of superficial rewards, not to mention the very quick transition into the final base game dungeon. Finally, royal is a unique case, being the first dungeon where the persona user is controlled by the whims of their persona instead of directing it. They might have come to terms with their shadow, but it was at the cost of "i cant change you, so why try resisting?" They are far more aware of the implications of the metaverse, and though the treasure still aligns with all the others given focus, there is a case to be made that the distortion speaks for itself far better than the treasure ever could. They treasured the source of their trauma, their treasure just gave them a savior complex and martyr goal by "proving" they could influence the waking world. In every instance where the game spells it out, the treasure represents something far in the past left unaddressed long enough to warp their perception of reality. The phantom thieves are far too recent a development to get a full palace-worth of distortion. Maybe the thieves shaped the palace, but it was a renovation, not the initial blueprint The core of the palace remained a cognitive warping artifact from the past, the phantom thieves just made the palace more... concrete by directly challenging her world view, in much the same way treasures only materialize under the stress of a calling card pointing out their fundamental flaw. I am not denying the thieves influenced Sai in ways she couldnt recognize, nor am i denying the possibility that the treasure was something entirely different than what the game suggests as an answer, but i AM denying the possibility that the treasure was simply a "blank" phantom thieves calling card. It isnt impossible, but in my mind, there is far more evidence against the idea than there is to support it. I cant change your mind, but i can try to express those exact issues I PERSONALLY have with the theory.
I don't mind what they did with Yoshizawa in Royal. But at the same time, I would have loved getting a P5 FemC. Also, I can't believe I let myself be shocked about Futaba's dyed hair. I already knew about Ryuji, But I just didn't question it with Futaba. (That means Sojiro bought her that dye, and that impresses me.)
I'm still questioning where sojiro gets the money to fund futaba's expensive lifestyle if it's implied that futaba isn't the "steal your credit card" hacker type.
Dude I get what you mean about Futaba. It’s crazy too because I knew for a fact that Wakeba had black hair, I just didn’t question why Futaba’s was orange…
I can distinctly remember that on one specific date, you can see Kawakami RUNNING to school as you’re walking towards the front gate. I can’t recall exactly when, but I know it was 1) before I finished her Confidant, and 2) before winter.
@@TheActualMrLink I had a math teacher in my early school years, who came to school 2 hours later because he was stuck in traffic. This happened 6 times to him while he had our class. Every time we either didnt have anyone come or occassioanally a substitute would come. We also had a physics teacher who always came 15 minutes later to class, not to the school but to class, for no reason.
At 4:38, I actually like that both endings are considered canon. Cuz Maruki isn't a bad guy trying to enslave humanity and jazz, he genuinely wanted to help. I worked in medicine, and in that time many people suffered injuries and illnesses that have no cure and very possibly still won't by the end of our lifetime, and those are the ones that left the hospital at all. We say they can still live fulfilling lives, but even so-alot of them would actually FIGHT the phantom thieves tooth and nail for a chance to have their lives back. Their legs, their hope, their loved ones' lives. There is a world where their lives weren't irreversibly (and likely involuntarily) changed or even ruined. Let them be happy, it isn't always about what you want.
While I definitely agree Maruki isn't a villain nor a man with evil intentions, the fact that he still takes away people's free will on a massive scale is still an immoral thing to do. The PT even point this out after they defeat him and how while those who live in pain can choose to be "free", those who vow to face their pain aren't given the choice to. Incredibly well-written character and a huge relief to have a sort of anti-villain in a game where adults/society are scum and treat others as scum.
1:51 My initial thought was that the royal-exclusive encounter with Akechi in Mementos might have been what was left after scrapping Akechi's Palace. But after checking TCRF, it looks like that scrapped dialog isn't even in Royal. I'm not really sure how else that could have fit into the vanilla story. Very interesting video. EDIT: On reflection, the Phantom thieves would probably keep a low profile at Sae's house after her Palace. It's getting easier to picture this.
I think I heard there originally was supposed to be a romance option for Sae, so if Joker was living with her, that would make a lot more sense compared to the final version.
Fun Fact 1: The story of the DLC "Repaint Your Heart" for Persona 5 Tactica, plays during the events of the 6th palace (Sae's Palace). Fun Fact 2: Salmael, the main antagonist of P5T, is voiced by Brandon Keener, the voice actor of Garrus from the Mass Effect trilogy.
Great video I can not wait for the next one. Also i think i remember seeing Iwai and Taekemi in the loading screens but I think the best ones are the halloween ones where they can dress up as personas
I realized that you could lay on the bench in the velvet room really late in my playthrough, but since it’s seen as a fact here rather than knowledge I feel better about it
Also in Tarot cards The Devil card represents your shadow (or darker) side and the negative forces that constrain you and hold you back from being the best version of yourself. And while everyone has that to a degree in P5. Ohya's whole plot was about being forced into doing things by her boss to prevent her from learning the truth and working on the journalism she wanted to, where as for someone like Chihaya, that aspect was a b-plot twist and their primary character/story was about fate and interacting with destiny.
Great video indeed, just a little thing, the black haired Futaba you showed was from the concept arts, as in the beginning she would have been a much more goth-styled girl, but in the end the decided to do her as we know her to make a more original character, so she didn't die her hair
I always wondered why Joker chose to wear glasses. Didn't his initial flashback scene show him without glasses? If so, I thought the glasses might've been a way Joker chose to hide his true face from others after his false arrest.
I've played through Royal five separate times, and I knew most of these, yet your way of oresenting the information was so awesome that this made me giddy.
first off, the vid is 28 seconds longer then you promised (im joking). second off, i subbed cus this was perfection. one more thing, joker has glasses because he looks scary without them, and ever since he got sued, they recommended that he would try to look less threatening
In the persona five anime at the rally Rin gets hit in the face with the volleyball so the physical punishment thing you could say to the officers is technically true.
This is why i love this game, I've gone through the game 11 times now and im still finding new things about it. 100% 10/10 game! Also if you romance makoto you will have a bonus line of dialogue with sae on Valentine's day.
5:00 same. Butterfly kiss is goated. I once sat at my desk for an hour while the song played on loop. I usually like to save in-game time, but I felt like it was a valid reason to add to my play time. And just didn’t bother to reload a save.
honestly sumi being jokers counterpart like femc from p3 would have been so cool and i would have loved it more than her being a separate character and romanceable 🥹
When you go to the Yongen-Jaya movie theater, there's always Takemi in the room. Sometimes when a friends talks to you before taking the train, there's a confident in the background waiting for the train (as Hifumi for example).
I am glad it plays in Tokyo, that was the main reason I got it. Also touching grass in a flashback is not real, by that logic all that people who never go outside do touch grass in their fantasy.
Love the video! And its important to appreciate small detais of a game since the developers took there time to put it in. And it helps the game to be more charming.
maybe a little late to this, but there is a really funny bug/glitch/oddity that I actually came across in my original Persona 5 playthrough. in battle if a character has a status ailment there is a chance where another character will smack it away with a giant paper fan (if that rank of their social link is unlocked). however, there is at least one character where this happens incorrectly, that being Yusuke. sometimes when he goes to slap off the status ailment the fan either won't spawn in, show up, or just overall not appear, making it look like he just hits the other character with his hand. I am not sure if this still happens in Royal, but it happened a lot in my og P5 playthrough as I kept him in my team for a long time edit: side note, I wonder if the reason why Akechi's palace was scraped was because of the lore or because the lore was added to justify why he doesn't have a palace. in the game Mona says that persona users can't have a palace, so Akechi having one would go against that. but that could have been added in to justify why he doesn't have a palace. I wanna lean to the former, that the lore of persona users not being able to have a palace is the reason due to the black mask going to other palaces like they are a persona user and not a palace ruler. though it would have been cool to see how another palace ruler could enter other palaces, maybe via mementos or something. maybe Akechi's connection and motive to wanting to take Shido out would have gone against him being a palace ruler. still, very interesting to think about. also it makes me think that the palaces and personas are a little more hand-in-hand in this game at least but it hurts my brain to think about right now, do wanna cast the idea out though.
She turns 16 during the year of persona 4 about 3 weeks before she shows up in inaba. Now that i think about it, if she turns 16 during persona 4 and 20 during persona 5, it really should be 2015
@@10001vaderthat depends on the exact date too, although it isn't unheard of for mistakes. They had Baofu's age wrong on P3's TV. And since P5 was first planned for a 2015 launch it's possible they had that year in mind and not every bit of dialog was checked over after they decided to work with an ambiguous year.
@@MrSmokinDragon like I said, over the 8 years of development things change and it's hard to change everything. Something big like arranging the calendar and deciding when events happens is of course gonna get tweaked. But a random string of dialog that appears only if you check one TV on a certain date at a certain time? Not everyone is going to check that or make sure it's correct.
I was told that Joker's glasses were supposed to be his modern mask. Honestly, with the exception of Team Rocket, diguises in anime are almost always glasses and maybe a hat too
Now after the leak of the p5 beta, the akechi palace sounds more likely, there is a few lines in the beta hinting at a palace thats all just 00's in the final game
Another fun naming thing!!!! I think I tried to name the team Anna’s full name and it wouldn’t let me do that! I think… it was something like that. It was definitely one of the characters names
While there's a lot of people who love makoto (me included) there's so much more that utterly despise her... so at the moment the number of death threats ive gotten is 0 :)
Here’s a useless fact about the video itself! The song in the background from the start of the video to the ad is called “Lust” or “Broken Arrow” (depending on which beta), which is the BGM for the first palace from Persona 5: The Phantom X!
SO you're telling me there's a universe out there Joker is living with the Niijimas instead of Sojiro?? I don't know if that's an absolute win or loss...
8:10 itdk if you were joking with the among us reference but castle crashers did have a scene where one of the bosses gives a thumbs up before dying in lava, and it came out before among us. Edit: Disregard I just noticed you had put a film reference, my bad. I didn't notice it the first time.
@@Gamaxp Yeah I had no idea, I thought he was younger, for whatever reason. I knew Kamoshida kicked his ass at some point but I never noticed in my 4 playthroughs of this game that he was in the same class as Joker and Ann until this video pointed him out.
no way you didn't know that after 4 playthroughs. he talks to you multiple times in class and the game makes an effort to show you he's there in the early arc
Neat vid. Another useless fact is you can actually hear a heartbeat playing alongside Life Will Change after sending out a calling card for the heists.
The scope of the game was already very big, but a female protagonist with their own (or newly arranged story) would be so cool for a future game. Maybe use the whole "replace a loved one" angle from kasumis story as a background. Hiding who she really is in the biginning would be a perfect fit for a persona game and could even be used to start act 2 in a plottwist (the player realizing that is what happened) I'd love P6 to have different story routs for a male and female MC. double points if they reorder dungeons and bosses or have you meet party members in different a order. (going of the Kasumi plot line, she could already be friendly with makoto and start in Kaneshiros jail or maybe Yuske is an old friend and she confronts madarame first) May be whishful thinking but I'd love to see something like that as long as they don't have to cut down the story and sell two shorter ones.
4:50 actually isn’t a bug. You only get this win screen if you win with Asterius. It’s a reference to the lore that Asterius drives its wielder insane. So Joker smiling like that is due to the influence of his Persona.
Yeah I've heard a lot on this! I think this happens with other dlc personas too though, so I'm not sure
Makes sense because whenever you use titanomachia, Joker literally just screams Die! Die! DIE!
where does the lore mention that about asterius??? i dont remember that in either the arena game or the manga
i keep hearing abt it but nobody ever mentions when/where it's brought up
@@skeleteleportation8043it's an implication due to Shabrys being batshit insane Labrys' actual shadow was not plus with Joker taking on the qualities by using it.
Here are some more:
Morgana's secret savings come back in Persona 5 Royal, in the scene following Sojiro's instructions for a good date, he will pay for the bouquet of flowers.
If you fast travel or use the train on October 31st, the loading screen has the silhouettes dressed up in Halloween costumes, including someone dressed up as a jack frost.
Thank you! 🙏
Hee ho
@@RegiusDecima HEEE HOOO!!!
HEEEEEHOOOO
Hee ho
the odds of Ren being from Inaba are low but not zero
It's a fairly popular headcanon
Addon to the Makoto stalking: Rarely, the magazine will be upside-down as well, and her pathing will bug out if you enter a restroom.
Oh yeah! I completely forgot about that, its so funny 😭
Also, Bon Jovi is canon in Persona 5. During a group chat after Makoto awakens her persona, Ryuji says "I'm a Phantom. On a steel horse I ride," an obvious node to Bon Jovi's song Wanted; replacing the word Cowboy with Phantom. Right after Ryuji sent that, Makoto says "I'm most certainly not wanted." Lol.
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1:11 Also, if you compare the Persona 5 calendar with the 2016 calendar, you’ll see that they match up perfectly.
It also matches up with 2022 I believe
@@velvetbutterfly2016 is a leap year, and 2022 is not. If it shows 29Feb, the match would be 2044.
@@vxicepickxv but February is after the New Year happens. 2017 and 2023 respectively
@@velvetbutterflyBut since 2 is the only prime number that is even, and because 8 is a cool number, the game actually takes place in 1987, right before the bite.
@@MechawIs that the bite of Persona 5™?
Other useless facts: Ann was partially raised by a nanny while her parents were away, and she likes video games on handheld consoles. Also, in the thieves den in Royal you can hear Ryuji’s limp in his walk if you transform into him
Ooo! That stuff about ann i had no idea about... where is that from?
@@Gamaxp p5 maniax books
So... Ann possible Nintendo Girl?
More pointless facts if people are curious:
- Despite being replaced by Abby Trott, there's an instance of where Royal still uses one of Kirsten Potter's voice lines. It's clearly a case of forgetting to swap out the recording in the game's data, but it occurs after sending Shido's calling card (Specifically, her line "They just don't get it").
- The much maligned scene post-Shido's palace (Ryuji being ganged up on by the female thieves after making one too many stupid remarks) has data files showing that an original concept was to have the entire cast (Joker possibly included) join in on it.
- The English pronunciation of the main cast's names were requested by the Japanese side (despite them not matching the way they'd be pronounced in Japan). This has led to minor inconsistencies where background characters will say them closer to the Japanese pronunciation (obviously a different studio or location handling the recording of minor voice lines).
- Joker originally living with Sae explains a lot of the small details in the game: many cut scenes utilize the strangely detailed apartment (likely recycled after the idea of living with Sae was scraped) and the view in the calendar is likely meant to be the view from the apartment.
- (This one is extremely well known) Makoto is wearing a headband. Her hair isn't braided.
- Max Mittelman has a line in Mementos where he coughs very awkwardly at the end. The recording studio decided to keep it for seemingly no reason (probably because someone was brought in to cut the lines with no context and thought it was important).
A very interesting read! Thank you :)
wait her hair isnt braided?
waifu status revoked
friendship ended with makoto
now haru is my best friend
3:26 im pretty sure he wore them because societally people with glasses are feared less and hes already worried people would fear him because of his criminal record
In a similar vein
I remember hearing someone that it was because he has a naturally intimidating stare and the glasses soften it
I think it might have spawned from the anime as instead of Mashima getting hit with a volleyball Kamoshida tries to flex himself against Joker but joker being joker takes the blow fairly well but it knocks off his glasses and when he turns back to face Kamoshida his glare is threatening to the point it phases Kamoshida
For the loading screen Takemi is at the beginning of the game when you first head to Leblanc and I’m pretty sure it’s similar with iwai when you head to shibuya
Ahhh that would explain it!
This makes me appreciate Persona 5 even more that I thought was possible.
mr trite.
@@xeroxeroxero_is that a maximum the hormone pfp
Can someone please make a fan game with akechi's palace
Here's a potentially useless fact, and it's a gameplay fact. During Okumura's boss fight in Persona 5 Royal, as you know, he orders his robots to target one of your party members. The funny thing is that using the items Spotlight or Limelight, or the move Taunting Aura by equipping the Alluring Belt item, it makes a character the main target for most attacks. The effects of these items/skill has a higher priority than Okumura's orders, even if the order changed before the item/skill effect wears off.
That sounds pretty useful tho 😳
I always seem to remember useless facts more than anything
They're the best kind >:3
if kasumi would be joker’s canonical female counterpart, imagine all the male romance options that could happen if you were able to play as her
RYUJI??? AKECHI?????? mor...gana? 💀
@@Gamaxp id choose morgana
b- but like, y’know, platonically, c- cause, y’know, he goes on an’ on about his “lady” ann but like, id give the lil guy someone within his tiny ass league 💀
@@GamaxpI feel like an Akechi romance wouldn't make sense at ranks 8-10, since rank 8 takes place during Sae's arc when the Phantom Thieves are tricking him, and 9 and 10 take place in Shido's palace before and after his (Akechi's) boss fight. But I honestly think it could still make for a great romance option if it happens later. Don't know how you would trigger it though.
Also Shinya romance.
@@mrkicks7817I mean, 3 and 4 also have you do stuff with someone who tries to kill you so it's not impossible
@@Gamaxp goatshima.
I love the idea of Akechi's palace, and the thought of him breaking character on TV is really neat. I love his personality a lot tbh, and the whole "master Akechi" concept is cool as well. Also, Akechi went to a maid cafe in the manga. By himself. So there's a random fact.
Now that's a power move!!
Damn on top of that he uses Reddit, akechi sucks lol
@@akechigoro3340 redditor and he likes maid girls, I'd totally wear a maid dress for him 100%
@@akechiloverr duality of man
@@Gamaxp I am a woman but yes
4:47 Seeing Igor standing behind Mishima legitimately jump scared me. He looks significantly creepier than normal. ... of course, thats well before big spoilers for him.
It's like that one scene in Insedious.
I personally believe that Sai's treasure was a Calling Card, not the father's notebook. I say that because she seems to first start "losing herself" after thieves take out Kaneshiro - which would make the source of her distortion the thieves (with calling card being their identifying symbol).
Interesting 👀
not sure i agree. the phantom thieves dont make her lose herself, they make her jump off the deep end. The subtext is that she forgot her original goal of prosecuting the guilty to protect the innocent long before the thieves showed up, but it was the thieves that made the distortion plain enough to see that it could be fixed. To fix a problem, you have to first recognize it. Sai had the problem before the thieves, likely a result of the corrupt and broken system, but it wasnt until the thieves drove her to extremes that she could identify it. Heck, if we go one step further and analyze the fact sai's treasure was never actually taken, it proves that the change came from within.
And besides, look at all the other palaces. In every other instance, it was a trauma that was denied that grew and festered into a distortion. Kamoshida was a man of unhealthy lust far before the thieves got involved. Madarame killed through inaction due to his vanity. Kaneshiro idolized cash since he was a child, and grew into a big name in a criminal organization to fuel his greed. futaba wallowed in sloth ever since she was burdened with the weight of "killing" her mother and growing to believe the lies. okumera was an evil businessman who saw no emotional value in her daughter long before the thieves got involved. Shido thought he was owed the world and CREATED the thieves through his pride. In no other instance was a distortion large enough to form a palace something that emerged on such a short scale. That is what the mementos requests were for; stopping a distortion before it became a palace. If Sai's distortion was recent enough to be caused by the thieves, it would have been resolved in mementos long before it could warp her view of reality. Sai's view of reality was only distorted in her "me vs them" view. She saw people as obstacles between her goals, but still recognized them as people. But her constant "winning" against odds she saw stacked against her gave her a bit of a larger than life ego, thinking she was untouchable and that winning was the only thing that mattered. She couldnt learn from a loss in her eyes, and it took receiving an actual loss against the phantom thieves to prove there was value in defeat and that the world is not out to pick on her specifically. Heck, it remains true even into royal content, and dont worry, i will keep the spoilers as vague as possible. The new palace ruler struggled with the loss of a loved one, and though they came to terms with their decision enough to awaken an inner power, that power was still fueled by a savior complex; one in which they would happily become a martyr before recognizing how unhealthy their view was. They welcomed pain so they could feel something, and attribute the suffering to a higher purpose.
@@cullenlatham2366 I admit it's open to interpretation. We just don't have enough information to make a conclusive judgement. And I think that was intentional - I mean, I think the question was actually directly asked at one point what her treasure was and the question was blown off.
I 100% get why people would conclude her treasure was dad's notebook. There's other possibilities I can think of as well with varying degrees of likelihood. I don't disagree that she was already in a shaky state prior to thieves and that their actions just pushed her over edge. But we saw that it doesn't have to be something from far past that is the treasure when we saw Kaneshiro - his suitcase with $3M in it was a current item.
Personally, I just like to take the approach of it being calling card because it gives a personal connection between her and the Thieves that I enjoy thought of. It's one of the fun things about fandoms: exploring possibilities - from the highly likely to the unlikely, but possible... to the totally impossible, but fun to explore idea of alternate timeline. (Like people that made Sumi-MC mods. Just fun to look at various things from various angles.) :D
@@ShadowService yeah, in the end, it does not really matter what the treasure is since Sai herself had to be the one to overcome it, but i do want to point out one detail of kaneshiro's treasure: children's bank notes. I cant prove how "old" the treasure is, but the fact it is children's bank play currency suggests it was something he coveted since he was young.
The only thing the game states about treasures is that it is the object that signifies the start of their distortion. Kamoshida's medal gave him a big head, madarame's first abusive painting alteration showed him he could "get away" with stealing art. Kaneshiro is heavily implied to find solace as a bullied child in his play money, hoping to buy his way out of strife and creating a dependence on cash that put its value over that of the people around him, especially at the bottom of the social ladder with no one he could call a friend. Futaba's treasure is the vaguest of the confirmed ones, being some combination of a peaceful rest (coffin), her dead mother, and herself. okumera was a spaceship model that made him idolize acention that takes the form of space travel in his palace and political power in the real world. Sai's is suggested to be her father's journal for much the same reasons as past rulers; it was her father that put the love of law into her, his death that made her go on the offensive, and her grief over his death that made her loose sight of her ideals. The calling card, meanwhile, has much less meaning behind it, being at most the moment she realized there were foes she couldnt easily overcome, which is already established as covered by the proposed journal with even aketchi pointing out how corrupt and unfair the system is; she would find that roadblock just by nature of being a "woman in a man's job", and likely long before the phantom thieves got involved. Shido is the one i tend to forget, being lost in the "its over! no more threats to deal with!" atmosphere to really take note of looking at the treasure for the sake of superficial rewards, not to mention the very quick transition into the final base game dungeon. Finally, royal is a unique case, being the first dungeon where the persona user is controlled by the whims of their persona instead of directing it. They might have come to terms with their shadow, but it was at the cost of "i cant change you, so why try resisting?" They are far more aware of the implications of the metaverse, and though the treasure still aligns with all the others given focus, there is a case to be made that the distortion speaks for itself far better than the treasure ever could. They treasured the source of their trauma, their treasure just gave them a savior complex and martyr goal by "proving" they could influence the waking world.
In every instance where the game spells it out, the treasure represents something far in the past left unaddressed long enough to warp their perception of reality. The phantom thieves are far too recent a development to get a full palace-worth of distortion. Maybe the thieves shaped the palace, but it was a renovation, not the initial blueprint The core of the palace remained a cognitive warping artifact from the past, the phantom thieves just made the palace more... concrete by directly challenging her world view, in much the same way treasures only materialize under the stress of a calling card pointing out their fundamental flaw.
I am not denying the thieves influenced Sai in ways she couldnt recognize, nor am i denying the possibility that the treasure was something entirely different than what the game suggests as an answer, but i AM denying the possibility that the treasure was simply a "blank" phantom thieves calling card. It isnt impossible, but in my mind, there is far more evidence against the idea than there is to support it. I cant change your mind, but i can try to express those exact issues I PERSONALLY have with the theory.
My mom said I am allowed to watch this video
Your mommy has great taste
Ah just like p5 fans
Watch no play
Me smash kawakami, me smash
Gigachads KNOW sae is the ONLY way
@@enzoforgets9456im tired of this all you p5 fans think of is waifu or best girl, what about the story? The characters the graphics?
@@Gamaxp his WHAT has great taste ⁉️⁉️
@@TeamSenkeI know you have no friends lmao
I don't mind what they did with Yoshizawa in Royal.
But at the same time, I would have loved getting a P5 FemC.
Also, I can't believe I let myself be shocked about Futaba's dyed hair.
I already knew about Ryuji,
But I just didn't question it with Futaba. (That means Sojiro bought her that dye, and that impresses me.)
I'm still questioning where sojiro gets the money to fund futaba's expensive lifestyle if it's implied that futaba isn't the "steal your credit card" hacker type.
@@caspianchan2371if i recall he has notable savings from the time he worked in government
Dude I get what you mean about Futaba. It’s crazy too because I knew for a fact that Wakeba had black hair, I just didn’t question why Futaba’s was orange…
So that is why kasumi felt...
Forced into the plot
I can distinctly remember that on one specific date, you can see Kawakami RUNNING to school as you’re walking towards the front gate. I can’t recall exactly when, but I know it was 1) before I finished her Confidant, and 2) before winter.
Interesting 👁
@@Gamaxp it’s funny to know that even teachers can end up running late to class.
@@TheActualMrLink I had a math teacher in my early school years, who came to school 2 hours later because he was stuck in traffic. This happened 6 times to him while he had our class. Every time we either didnt have anyone come or occassioanally a substitute would come. We also had a physics teacher who always came 15 minutes later to class, not to the school but to class, for no reason.
At 4:38, I actually like that both endings are considered canon. Cuz Maruki isn't a bad guy trying to enslave humanity and jazz, he genuinely wanted to help.
I worked in medicine, and in that time many people suffered injuries and illnesses that have no cure and very possibly still won't by the end of our lifetime, and those are the ones that left the hospital at all. We say they can still live fulfilling lives, but even so-alot of them would actually FIGHT the phantom thieves tooth and nail for a chance to have their lives back. Their legs, their hope, their loved ones' lives.
There is a world where their lives weren't irreversibly (and likely involuntarily) changed or even ruined. Let them be happy, it isn't always about what you want.
While I definitely agree Maruki isn't a villain nor a man with evil intentions, the fact that he still takes away people's free will on a massive scale is still an immoral thing to do. The PT even point this out after they defeat him and how while those who live in pain can choose to be "free", those who vow to face their pain aren't given the choice to. Incredibly well-written character and a huge relief to have a sort of anti-villain in a game where adults/society are scum and treat others as scum.
1:51 My initial thought was that the royal-exclusive encounter with Akechi in Mementos might have been what was left after scrapping Akechi's Palace. But after checking TCRF, it looks like that scrapped dialog isn't even in Royal. I'm not really sure how else that could have fit into the vanilla story. Very interesting video.
EDIT: On reflection, the Phantom thieves would probably keep a low profile at Sae's house after her Palace. It's getting easier to picture this.
1:42 it also suggsts he's a fan of Hockey... It just saying "NHL" is one thing, but the slant also being similar to the actual current app?
babe wake up, new akechi lore just dropped
I'm less interested in Redditor Akechi and more interested in the fact he's a fan of American Hockey
I think I heard there originally was supposed to be a romance option for Sae, so if Joker was living with her, that would make a lot more sense compared to the final version.
Fun Fact 1: The story of the DLC "Repaint Your Heart" for Persona 5 Tactica, plays during the events of the 6th palace (Sae's Palace).
Fun Fact 2: Salmael, the main antagonist of P5T, is voiced by Brandon Keener, the voice actor of Garrus from the Mass Effect trilogy.
9:27 Chad move having every social link maxed except Ohya's.
Just how it should be!
I gasped SO LOUD at the thumbnail
I'm sorry 😭
You actually forgot a major fact. Persona 5's Shibuya was so cool that Japan decided to recreate it in real life
I knew some of these already, but most of the facts were new to me 😁 Lots of fun! I would watch a Part 2
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind ;3
my favorite thing about this video is how the word USELESS is pointing towards Makoto on the thumbnail LMAO
You were right, I already forgot 90% of the info you gave 👍
You're welcome ;3
Great video I can not wait for the next one. Also i think i remember seeing Iwai and Taekemi in the loading screens but I think the best ones are the halloween ones where they can dress up as personas
This game has soo many little details I love it!
Dang I didn't know about like any of these, there's some really small details in here that show the love atlus have for persona
Researching for this video made me appreciate it so much more!
I realized that you could lay on the bench in the velvet room really late in my playthrough, but since it’s seen as a fact here rather than knowledge I feel better about it
The last one must be the insperation behind *spoilers* kasumi yoshizawa
3:28
False
He wears them to look less intimidating because of his record
I always thought the Devil social link was because Ohya was playing Devil’s advocate or something like that
That could be it too!
Also in Tarot cards The Devil card represents your shadow (or darker) side and the negative forces that constrain you and hold you back from being the best version of yourself. And while everyone has that to a degree in P5. Ohya's whole plot was about being forced into doing things by her boss to prevent her from learning the truth and working on the journalism she wanted to, where as for someone like Chihaya, that aspect was a b-plot twist and their primary character/story was about fate and interacting with destiny.
1:21 that could be a reference to the chains of rebellion being an oxymoron
Ooo true!
Great video indeed, just a little thing, the black haired Futaba you showed was from the concept arts, as in the beginning she would have been a much more goth-styled girl, but in the end the decided to do her as we know her to make a more original character, so she didn't die her hair
I always wondered why Joker chose to wear glasses. Didn't his initial flashback scene show him without glasses? If so, I thought the glasses might've been a way Joker chose to hide his true face from others after his false arrest.
The anime actually shows why. Joker has a problem with authority so he wears glasses to hide his defiance
I've played through Royal five separate times, and I knew most of these, yet your way of oresenting the information was so awesome that this made me giddy.
I'm very glad you've enjoyed the video! I've poured a lot of heart into it 😊
that crossroads/devil one. ive been playing the game 5 times over and just now noticing. clever 😆
new upload lets go!!
great to see more stuff from you!
Definitely won't be the last time you'll see me ;3
Akechi is a hockey fan?! Thats a weird addition to this game lol
Bro the Igor just appearing behind mishima actually gave me nightmares
1:56 how could akechi have a palace when he has a persona of his own ?
Well, he wouldnt be the only palace ruler with a persona..
first off, the vid is 28 seconds longer then you promised (im joking). second off, i subbed cus this was perfection.
one more thing, joker has glasses because he looks scary without them, and ever since he got sued, they recommended that he would try to look less threatening
Ooo! I had no idea about that! That would make sense... where is that mentioned if I may ask?
I'm very glad to hear you've enjoyed the video btw :)
I love little details, it’s the small stuff that goes a long way
8:28 I remember seeing Takemi, but not Iwai.
Interesting 🤔so I'm not ENTIRELY insane
@@GamaxpI remember seeing Ann and Ryuji.
@@pokedash1221 I’ve seen them too.
Came back to this video after a few months. Still remember most.
please do more comentary videos! I find your voice lowkey really soothing and relaxing. Love your stuff!
🥺 💖
In the persona five anime at the rally Rin gets hit in the face with the volleyball so the physical punishment thing you could say to the officers is technically true.
This is why i love this game, I've gone through the game 11 times now and im still finding new things about it. 100% 10/10 game! Also if you romance makoto you will have a bonus line of dialogue with sae on Valentine's day.
5:00 same. Butterfly kiss is goated. I once sat at my desk for an hour while the song played on loop. I usually like to save in-game time, but I felt like it was a valid reason to add to my play time. And just didn’t bother to reload a save.
That's so me 😭
9:27 I love all the confidant is max except ohya hahahhaah
I genuinely did not bother with her lmaoooo
@@Gamaxp same here mate
@@AdibSenpai00based
honestly sumi being jokers counterpart like femc from p3 would have been so cool and i would have loved it more than her being a separate character and romanceable 🥹
The thumbnail having useless pointing to Makoto reminds me of Joseph Anderson persona 5 playthrough. Not sure if that was an on purpose reference.
Sae slaps the table
“Right now you are useless to me”
Every time Gama uploads, the world slowly heals.
When you go to the Yongen-Jaya movie theater, there's always Takemi in the room.
Sometimes when a friends talks to you before taking the train, there's a confident in the background waiting for the train (as Hifumi for example).
Just the kind of useless facts I was looking for >:3 thanks
This was a good video! Definitely holding out for a part 2!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I am glad it plays in Tokyo, that was the main reason I got it. Also touching grass in a flashback is not real, by that logic all that people who never go outside do touch grass in their fantasy.
TRUEEE you got me there
I'm not sure if I should be proud or ashamed that I actually knew a few of these.
Love the video! And its important to appreciate small detais of a game since the developers took there time to put it in. And it helps the game to be more charming.
There's so many hidden little details... making this video was so fun!
Also Natsume from Persona 5 strikers is certainly based on Hirohiko Araki, the author of "jojo bizarre adventure"
At the Hawaii trip, the 14 in Kawakami's t-shirt also makes reference to the 14th Arcana, Temperance.
maybe a little late to this, but there is a really funny bug/glitch/oddity that I actually came across in my original Persona 5 playthrough. in battle if a character has a status ailment there is a chance where another character will smack it away with a giant paper fan (if that rank of their social link is unlocked). however, there is at least one character where this happens incorrectly, that being Yusuke. sometimes when he goes to slap off the status ailment the fan either won't spawn in, show up, or just overall not appear, making it look like he just hits the other character with his hand. I am not sure if this still happens in Royal, but it happened a lot in my og P5 playthrough as I kept him in my team for a long time
edit: side note, I wonder if the reason why Akechi's palace was scraped was because of the lore or because the lore was added to justify why he doesn't have a palace. in the game Mona says that persona users can't have a palace, so Akechi having one would go against that. but that could have been added in to justify why he doesn't have a palace. I wanna lean to the former, that the lore of persona users not being able to have a palace is the reason due to the black mask going to other palaces like they are a persona user and not a palace ruler. though it would have been cool to see how another palace ruler could enter other palaces, maybe via mementos or something. maybe Akechi's connection and motive to wanting to take Shido out would have gone against him being a palace ruler. still, very interesting to think about.
also it makes me think that the palaces and personas are a little more hand-in-hand in this game at least but it hurts my brain to think about right now, do wanna cast the idea out though.
Takemi can appear in those loading screens in yongen Jaya
Good to know I'm not completely insane 😎
Akechi boulders as said in Tactica, and Akechi has a bike or motorcycle as said in a mementos dialog during the third semester
Bro said "useless information" and then has an arrow pointing at makoto thats rough
def need a part 2
the information filling my brain currently is far too useful
Dont worry, part 2 will be EVEN MORE USELESS!!.. PROBABLY!!
I wanna know what you'll use this info for
probably nothing, just wanna get rid of the useful stuff so my brain operates optimally
Man, Kasumi as a FeMC ala P3P would have been so cool.
8:25 Takemi shows up walking behind you when you first enter Yongen during the tutorial sequence
Good to know ;)
3:30 someone says in the game somewhere jokes wears glasses "to look less intimidating"
Rise is 16 not 15 in persona 4, thats why she can get a scooter license but Kanji can't
She turns 16 during the year of persona 4 about 3 weeks before she shows up in inaba. Now that i think about it, if she turns 16 during persona 4 and 20 during persona 5, it really should be 2015
@@10001vaderthat depends on the exact date too, although it isn't unheard of for mistakes. They had Baofu's age wrong on P3's TV.
And since P5 was first planned for a 2015 launch it's possible they had that year in mind and not every bit of dialog was checked over after they decided to work with an ambiguous year.
@@velvetbutterflyseeing how the dates and weekdays perfectly line up with 2016, that is unlikely
@@MrSmokinDragon like I said, over the 8 years of development things change and it's hard to change everything.
Something big like arranging the calendar and deciding when events happens is of course gonna get tweaked.
But a random string of dialog that appears only if you check one TV on a certain date at a certain time? Not everyone is going to check that or make sure it's correct.
I was told that Joker's glasses were supposed to be his modern mask. Honestly, with the exception of Team Rocket, diguises in anime are almost always glasses and maybe a hat too
That explains the spelling error during akechi and jokers showtime
Would be cool to see Akechi's palace and Mishima as a Phantom Thief
that zurna CARRIED that arc.
So truee
Amazing work. Next is P5 tactica edition 😄
Man, I really gotta play that game!
"This video will take 10 minutes of your time"
Fool. I watched this video on 1.25X SPEED!
Hope persona 6 is actually a globetrotting adventure...also I want an arena like game so we get to see the investigation squad as adults
That would be cool!
I really want to see Akechi's possible palace or what it would have been at least.
I believe some geometry might exist inside of the game's files for it but there aren't any textures, sooo...
I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THE IDEA WAS. SINCE THE 7 SINS WERE ALREADY TAKEN, WAS IT GONNA BE A VARIATION LIKE MA-SPOILER-KIS?@@Gamaxp
Now after the leak of the p5 beta, the akechi palace sounds more likely, there is a few lines in the beta hinting at a palace thats all just 00's in the final game
Another fun naming thing!!!! I think I tried to name the team Anna’s full name and it wouldn’t let me do that! I think… it was something like that. It was definitely one of the characters names
Woah, Joker Persona 5 seems really convincing! That's what I call a good sponsorship!
I'm really glad I managed to convince him to do the sponsorship! He's such a great guy 😊
actually didn't know about some of these, very cool video!
Thank you!
I actually knew about the black hair thing because I have mods that change their hair back to black
Why!!!! I really need that last part of this video to actually happen.
Ikrrr
How did I not realize the devil at the crossroads thing?
whoever did the thumbnail has def gotten at least 50 death threats by makoto fans
While there's a lot of people who love makoto (me included) there's so much more that utterly despise her... so at the moment the number of death threats ive gotten is 0 :)
I will be surprised if no one noticed the detail on the thumbnail
Something I noticed about Makoto is she kinda looks like a grown up Nanako
Here’s a useless fact about the video itself!
The song in the background from the start of the video to the ad is called “Lust” or “Broken Arrow” (depending on which beta), which is the BGM for the first palace from Persona 5: The Phantom X!
You've got a good ear ;)
SO you're telling me there's a universe out there Joker is living with the Niijimas instead of Sojiro?? I don't know if that's an absolute win or loss...
Lmao im glad im not the only one who imagines an alternate universe after finding out about cut content
8:10 itdk if you were joking with the among us reference but castle crashers did have a scene where one of the bosses gives a thumbs up before dying in lava, and it came out before among us.
Edit: Disregard I just noticed you had put a film reference, my bad. I didn't notice it the first time.
Lmaooo dw
WHY DIDN'T THEY USE KASUMI AS IN HONOR OF KOTONE WTF
Til Mishima is in Joker's class.
For real? 😭
Im glad that the video was informative :)
@@Gamaxp Yeah I had no idea, I thought he was younger, for whatever reason. I knew Kamoshida kicked his ass at some point but I never noticed in my 4 playthroughs of this game that he was in the same class as Joker and Ann until this video pointed him out.
no way you didn't know that after 4 playthroughs. he talks to you multiple times in class and the game makes an effort to show you he's there in the early arc
Neat vid. Another useless fact is you can actually hear a heartbeat playing alongside Life Will Change after sending out a calling card for the heists.
Cool!
@Gamaxp They are the Phantom Thieves of Hearts after all.
The scope of the game was already very big, but a female protagonist with their own (or newly arranged story) would be so cool for a future game. Maybe use the whole "replace a loved one" angle from kasumis story as a background. Hiding who she really is in the biginning would be a perfect fit for a persona game and could even be used to start act 2 in a plottwist (the player realizing that is what happened) I'd love P6 to have different story routs for a male and female MC. double points if they reorder dungeons and bosses or have you meet party members in different a order. (going of the Kasumi plot line, she could already be friendly with makoto and start in Kaneshiros jail or maybe Yuske is an old friend and she confronts madarame first) May be whishful thinking but I'd love to see something like that as long as they don't have to cut down the story and sell two shorter ones.
I mean, with how long persona 6 is taking i think its possible!
Technically Phantom X is that. It plays in the same universe as P5 but with different members and a Femc.
I never knew about that jail cell bed either. I might be due for another playthrough.
Have fun! Let me know if you find any cool details hehe ;3