Did Poland bring on her own Destruction in 1939 because of her Aggressive Foreign Policy?
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- The traditional western narrative suggests that Poland was beset on both sides by two aggressive powers. Whereas, two other narratives (including the Soviet one, which Vladimir Putin champions) attempt to claim that Poland's aggressive foreign policy resulted in her own destruction. In today's question, I'm going to explain why the traditional western narrative makes more sense than the other two. Thanks to Rene Malmgren for today's question!
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Some notes -
The reference at 19:47 wasn’t actually the full reference because I couldn’t fit it all in the reference box. Here’s the full reference -
Courtois, Werth, Panne, Paczkowski, Bartosek, Margolin, "The Black Book of Communism," P71-126.
Engelstein, “Russia in Flames,” P560.
Gellately, “Lenin, Stalin and Hitler,” P63, P65, P72, P75.
Marx, & Engels, "Manifesto of the Communist Party," P67.
Zamoyski, A. "Warsaw 1920: Lenin's Failed Conquest of Europe." Harper Press, 2008. (all of it)
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+TIK The revisionists brings up this Polish aggresion against ethnic Germans. Not everything revisionists says are lies but I dont like their agenda even if occassionally they bring up some true facts. I heard from Poles who said the aggression against ethnic Germans escalated the more aggressive Germany and Hitler became?
The only thing I would disagree with TIK here is that I don’t see where Putin was acting like hitler was just a bystander reacting. He said at the beginning Hitler was obvious going to continue wanting more and more so it does acknowledge his aggression
I believe this is Mr. Putin's FULL lecture: th-cam.com/video/kPJN8kgw55k/w-d-xo.html
TIK You are a British Historian who has is criticizing the President of Russian and have left out the most substantial part of the lecture where Putin uses the words of Winston Churchill to make the case that WW2 began with The Treaty of Versailles. Putin makes his case that it was basically the western powers messed up and that put the fire under Germany to torch off WW2 and Poland only comes into the picture as a nation to share the blame. TIK i think you misrepresented information to your viewers. Respect to you and all the best.
By the way! I loved your video on Fascism Defined. You did a great Job on that and i shared the video with people i know who like studying and learning about social issues. Great Job and i really mean that 👍👍👍👍👍
"Why didn't Poland just ally with the commies" has the same answer as to "Why didn't Poland ally with Germany against the commies".
Hmmm Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea maybe for such happy and well suit people lives there ( have you heard about famin in Ukraine? Country which could feed Europe starved, just an example)
They tried. The idea was to go against USSR with Germany.
Damn AF Guides didn't know you watched TIK
@@ElzariusUnity No they don't. That is why Hitler invade Poland. Because Poland do not want been used to invade USSR and fight war for Germany.
@@a_j130 the famine wasn't just in Ukraine, it was everywhere. Bolsheviks did not try to screw Ukraine only, they screwed the whole country.
I'm an Iranian, listening to the channel of a British guy who is answering the question of a Czeck who lives in Sweden, about Poland based on the comments of the Russian president.
That's the spirit!
I'm just happy as long as you all stay out of my country.
I'm an American, commenting on an Iranian who's listening to a Brit answering an inquiry of a Czech who lives in Sweden, about Poland, because of comments of the Russian President.
And I'm reading it as a German
It's not "your" country, Rusty. You don't "own" it - it's "owned" collectively. In other words, the State owns the country and owns you too.
Poland literally had no good options in 1939. The UK and France offered meaningless guarantees but Poland did not seem to realize that as the conflict boiled over into war.
Nobody could foresee that the battle for Poland would be that short. The Poles couldn't have seriousely counted with Allied assistance within weeks. So your use of the word 'meaningless' is pure hindsight
@@gertvanderhorst2890 Clearly, the Polish leadership was out of touch with reality. They SHOULD have known the French were incapable of large-scale offensive action and they SHOULD have known the French were both unable and unwilling to take meaningful action. There were no good options for the Poles in August 1939.
@@PaleoCon2008 France was very much capable of a large-scale offensive action if they weren't dumbasses and did nothing for the past 10+ years after WWI
Poland was the source of this conflict. Research on their agression going back to times before the third reicj
@@gertvanderhorst2890 Had the USSR not being a partner of the regime in Berlin, that wouldn't have been so rapid and hopeless.
I'm surprised at the lack of reference to the Soviet - Polish war in 1920, as a proximate cause to why Poland was repulsed by the idea of an alliance with the Soviet Union, in the years leading up to WWII. Love the video overall, and everything you do, keep it up as long as you're able
Great remark! By the way, nobody even cares to ask a very simple question: why the Soviet Polish war was exactly in 1920? Not a year before or after? But the answer is very simple, actually. If you know that this war was initiated by Poland, not Soviet Russia. The war with Poland was the last thing which wanted Bolshevics in the end of gruesome Civil War. But what was the reasons for the Poles? And now we have to remember that the Whites in the Russian Civil War fought under the slogan of "united and non-divided Russia" And this United and non-divided Russia they were ready to accept in the boundaries of 1913 only. That was the absolute demand of all White Generals: from Denikin to Yudenich to Admiral Kolchak. And exactly this demand why the Russian Whites couldn't reach an agreement with the new independent Poland and Finland for united war against the Reds. Because neither Pilsudskiy nor Mannergeim agreed to restoring the Russian Empire in the 1913 borders. But Poland dreamed about their own little empire "from one sea to another", wanting to annex from Russia at least western Ukraine. And it's clear why it was 1920. In 1920 it became crystal clear that the Whites lost irreversibly. Under no circumstances they could win the war. So the threat of United and Non-divided Russia in 1913 borders became irrelevant. But the Whites still had their last stronghold in Crimean peninsula under the General Baron Wrangel and were making regular forays in the Red's territories. So it was the ideal time for Poles to attack: the Reds were still occupied with the last White stronghold and couldn't divert all their forces to war with Poland. The ideal result of the war would be the Red's inability to finally quash Baron Wrangel and hence permanent weakness of the new communist state. That goal wasn't achieved but the goal of annexing Western Ukraine and Byelorussia was achieved. Although not without trouble: the proud independent Poles barely managed not to lose the war. Thanks to future Marshal Tukhachevskiy, who was an ardent supporter of war without reserves. So maybe now it's clear why both sides in pre WW2 period hated each other.
@@colder5465 HAHAHA bolsheviks literally wanted to introduce a communist revolution in half of Europe. You are probably just a braiwashed russian or radically pro-Russian
Seconded! I just recently found TIKs channel and I also like it very much. There are just some points where I wonder, how could he overlook that?
My personal conclusion is: during and after World War I the bullshit in Europe kept piling up so fast, you needed wings to stay above it. Only mistake Hitler made was, he took a shovel instead.
@TIK: maybe an interesting subject for a future video... Could you check out the curriculum of the Napola (National Political Institutes of Education)? It could give an interesting insight in what the Nazis where actually trying to achieve. I mean, everyone knows they wanted to kill the Jews, conquer large parts of Europe and establish a 1000 Year lasting empire. But should they succeed, then what? I know the question is completely hypothetical, but what would have the year 2020 been like if the Nazis won the war?
A colleague whose grandfather went to a Napola once made a very intriguing comment on that subject: he told me, those boys weren't taught antisemitism but something more similar to humanism instead. I can't verify those statements since I'm not a historian and wouldn't even know where to start at.
@@colder5465 I looked at it along those lines too, especially finding Stalin fought in that war against the Poles. And actually FDR wasn't able to stop U.S. Oligarchs supporting the NAZI's until 1943. Today the U.S. thinks it's the Fourth Reich but tries to act like it has Frederick Douglass scruples, and Jimmy Carter's naughty or nice human rights inventory.
@@profradonTIK is a revisionist pushing some really weird thoughts about the Nazis motivation and supposed socialism (its just totalitarianism) and how all the propaganda was spiritual, not racial
"Your Galactic Majesty, I have successfully infiltrated human society and prepared plans for invasion of Earth. We must attack Poland first."
"Why Poland?"
"Invading Poland is a sacred tradition over there."
it sure looks like that...
Fourth partition of Poland.
@@johnmorton1430 Crazy times, huh? Again. The problem with autocratic leaders is that they answer to no one, and nobody dares to contradict them, and as time goes by they all develop that sense of divinity (the Wehrmach soldiers invading Poland had engraved in their belts the words "Gott mit uns"). And invariably think they have more power than their opposition have and that they will crush them. And then, when it is too late to give a step back, they always discover that the opposition is far stronger and stubborn than they had appreciated, and then they all end up losing their heads but not before causing the death of millions of innocent people, from their own country and from other countries. Take the example of Poland. Poland of 2021 is far stronger than 1939 Poland. If on one hand it is a very risky bet to suppose that other European countries would enter in the fray to defend Poland, on the other hand China is a next door Russian neighbor and has ten times more population, a GDP ten times bigger and they also have their menu of nukes. Probably Putin would be better off by trying to keep things as they are and not to try to change things, because usually things never go as these autocrats expect. Anyhow, I see again those very same dark clouds in European skies. I hope it is just rain which is coming...
@Master Catnip well technically any country on the planet can get invaded. The question is by who? Something like 4 of 5 Germans wouldn't fight for their country studies show. and Russians would have to invade through Ukraine first. None the less, The visegrad group (whom other nations like Austria and Romania want to join) invading Poland would be Like invading all of Central and Eastern Europe. So basically, no. Nobody is invading Poland
@Master Catnip again your comment makes no logical sense. but k. get some help
“This question has probably annoyed most of the world... which is fantastic.”
TIK: Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Actually I want everyone to come together. And the best way to do that is by annoying everyone at the same time, so that they're all united against me ;)
@@TheImperatorKnight Why didn’t the Western Allies also declared War on Soviet Union when they invaded Poland? Why only Germany?
@@TheImperatorKnight corrosion is slow oxidation. It takes longer. The global crisis may take another 300 to 500 years, but rapid oxidation is on its way :(
@@TheImperatorKnight cough socialist cough oh we are all friendly here.
@@TheImperatorKnight 🤔.. ....😆
Putin: Claims Poland started the war
Also Putin: Starts a war
No, Putin did not say, that Poland started the war or was responsible for the war. Poland was pretty stupid to take territories from the Sovietunion in 1920/21. Obviously, Poland thought, that the weapons and tanks from France would be sufficient.
Well, they were not sufficient to fight Germany in the west and Sovietunion in the east.
@Ethnic Nationalist I do agree completely.
@Ethnic Nationalist Germany should have tried to get some polish territories back without a war.
@Ethnic Nationalist they should
Слава україні! 🇺🇦
Putin never said the Nazis were innocent lol wtf you made big leaps in logic with that. He said Poland was being aggressive. That doesn't imply or explictly lead to the Nazi invasion being innocent so why would you put words in Putin's mouth?
I wonder if Putin would describe Finland as aggressive in 1939...
Fuck Putin but Karelia is Russia. Took it back.
@@glebb..3416 Go to Vyborg and tell me that is Russian architecture downtown.
no, he spoke of it as historians do. He did not say most of TIK claim either. Most of this video is bs.
Karelia is Finnish and Finland was defending its borders
few people know the fact that when Germany invade Czechoslovakia Poland took part of Czech territory in agreement with nazis.
And by the way....shall we list how many countries "aggressive" Russia did invade in last 50 years and how many "peaceful and democratic" countries did?
@Lovecraft I'm not a fan of Putin, believe me, but interwar Polish governments were definitely nationalistic and proto-fascist, and many (even Poles) see their contemporary governments as such (proto-fascist)
So you have chosen death ☠️
@Lovecraft Hahah, Moscow sees Poland as a fly sitting on some poop crapped by a cow eating grass by some road you drive 100 miles per hour. Nice try in making them more important than they are though :P
@You're Spying haven’t Poland snapped a piece of Czechoslovakia in 1938?
@@z000ey proto -fasist? please check the history, Pilsudzki was a socialist (far left on the begining) and Endecja as well
The debate about responsibility for WW2 is pointless. WW2 and WW1 were created by the banksters. That is all that matters. ALL wars are banker wars. End of story.
How to show your utter ignorance in one step:
If Poland had been a one-off, it might be possible to argue that case. But considering that the Soviet Union grabbed Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Eastern Poland, Finland, Bessarabia, and Bukovina, all in a very short period of time, the question becomes absurd on the face of it. Surely, the conquerer is at fault, rather than all those conquerees.
Soviet Union positioned and improved its position in the pre-war climate after France, UK and Poland all signed pacts with Germany and denied an alliance.
@@vlad_47 "...positioned and improved..." is an odd way to spell "... invaded and committed mass murder..."
@@DonMeaker Britain and France were doing the same thing in their colonies
Ukraine and Belarus should return their western territories back to Poland which the USSR had annexed in 1939
@@aAverageFan Does Germany get back the bits that they lost to Poland and Russia? Perhaps we should be a bit slow to redraw map lines, particularly if one of the losers is a nuclear power.
Also Stalin was looking for revenge.....His old pals in the 1st Cavalry Army had been humiliated by the Poles in the Battle of Warsaw in 1920 and wanted to regain the territory lost to the Poles!
To survive next to the Big Bad Bear requires diplomacy and wisdom, not foolish nationalist pride.
@_jeff _ finland lost both wars
@@atsstaaatsssatss4501 it's an interesting loss, though - instead of being occupied and having their most prominent countrymen murdered in Siberia (like the rest of the Russian provinces taken by the USSR) they managed to uphold their independence and weren't even bothered when they remained neutral in the Cold War - despite being a former active Axis power. It isn't an incredibly important country strategically, but so isn't Estonia or Belarus. It's really a remarkable story of resistance that actually worked.
Eggs Ackley
@James Beeching. I think.you are on to something. Stalin was nothing if not vindictive.
The Czech-Polish dispute was the result of crass stupidity and lack of statesmanship on both sides. The Czechoslovak army seized the area in 1919 while the Poles were fighting desperately elsewhere and Poland's leaders (showing a similar lack of judgement and statesmanship) paid them back in 1938 in the Czechs' moment of weakness. All tragic and unnecessary. I think it was Woodrow Wilson who said: "And so two nations that should have been friends and allies became embittered enemies".
And the resentments still linger. Very sad.
well, thats past... only what I know is that our common enemy is Germany... Poles have something agaist Russians... well, thats just Europe tradition here :-)
The argument that Poland was fighting a desperate war at the time the Czechs took part of Cieszyń which is often presented in Poland is patently not true. When did the Czechs take Cieszyń and when was Poland fighting the war against the Bolsheviks? It is a weak excuse to deflect from the Sanacja's regimes policy of friendship with Nazi Germany.
@@HistoryonTH-cam (From Wikipedia) "In January 1919 a war erupted between the Second Polish Republic and the First Czechoslovak Republic over the Cieszyn Silesia area in Silesia. The Czechoslovak government in Prague requested that the Poles cease their preparations for national parliamentary elections in the area that had been designated Polish in the interim agreement as no sovereign rule was to be executed in the disputed areas. The Polish government declined and the Czechoslovak side decided to stop the preparations by force. Czechoslovak troops entered area managed by Polish interim body on January 23. Czechoslovak troops gained the upper hand over the weaker Polish units. The majority of Polish forces were engaged in fighting with the West Ukrainian National Republic over eastern Galicia at that time. Czechoslovakia was forced to stop the advance by the Entente, and Czechoslovakia and Poland were compelled to sign a new demarcation line on February 3, 1919, in Paris".
@@HistoryonTH-cam See Spa Conference for "how Czechs managed to avoid Polish retaliation" and "what bolsheviks had to do with it".
Bonus points for noticing how even that crap deal had been almost immediately broken by Prague.
@@Saeronor I suggest you try looking at dates. The Spa Conference was in 1920, the then fascist government in Poland invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938 alongside its Nazi ally. As for what the Bolsheviks had to do with it, this is part of your imagination. I deal with facts, not fairy stories.
Just watched the Tucker Carlson interview where Putin repeats this claim (very early on in the interview).
You have to know the history to understand his claim. In the spring and summer of 1939, there were negotiations between the British, French, and Soviets, about uniting against Germany and waging war together to defend Poland. The Soviets said they required the permission to enter Polish territory in order to defend them. The Poles continually refused to give the Soviets this right.
@@user-wj6dt5bq3w YoU kNoW yOu HaVe To KnOw ThE hIsToRy To UnDeRsTaNd hIs ClAiM
@@user-wj6dt5bq3w”with the Nazi we may lose our country but with the Soviets our souls”
@@user-wj6dt5bq3w And they were right, considering that they later got in vade d and g e n oci d ed, by a red empire who was also a partner of the regime in Berlin, co-i n vading.
@@dusk6159 For Germans there was no peace in the East after 1918, after Poland was founded. Polish criminals came over the boarder and butchered German peasants there, i.a. my Granddad and an uncle. They did it to 10,000s of Germans there, which is why Hitler invaded. They were backed by GB, just like today.
The traditional western narrative is that Germany invaded Poland and ignores that the USSR did as well. They basically divided the country, yet Britain and France declared war on Germany, not the USSR. And to this day it is very rare to even hear a mention of it in documentaries about WWII.
ussr took their land back that poland occupied in 1920, they didn't went to poland, they went in to their land first and only after when whole polish government escaped to romania, and later they liberated poland, later ussr with polish army went to berlin, and ofc poland was grateful for liberation, they built monuments for liberators and etc, but then nato occupied poland and they're rewriting history there, and they are breaking those monuments now, maybe your westnern narrative should talk how poland and west was threatened germany since early 1930's? how they were openly talking that you need to kill germans and destroy germany? poles killed like 8k german civilians including catholic and protestant priests and pastors, women and children in poland in 1938 they ripped open their bellies and stuffed them with earth, should they start talking about it? xD
@@user-bq8id1qv1q lots of false in this post. USSR army raped, killed and stole way more in Poland than German army. Going through Poland 2nd time at the end of WW2 USSR army did it again. Killed civilians, raped, stole and destroyed. Saveges both sides but USSR is way more than Germans.
@@george.carlin Exactly this. It's always funny to see people (like user-bq8idblablabla ) writing stuff like "they are rewriting history! It's all propagandaaa!" and then continue to share other propaganda myths. "Nato occupied Poland" What the actual fuck? Anyway, maybe it's just a bot idk
@@george.carlin Germany killed 6 million Poles in just 5 years whereas USSR killed around a hundred thousand Poles in 5 decades
Soviets and Nazis at Poland: "they're comin' right for us!"
Is that a Victoria 2 reference
There saying nazis have “ redeemed themselves lmao!!! I’m not against the rooskies but idk
@@Storytelling35 Who says that? And besides, Nazis and Soviets had a military agreement at this point.
@@neilhillis9858 us has them in there back pocket my guy along with Poland
@@Storytelling35
Somebody has to run the show... As long as Putin is not...💀🇷🇺🕳️
There's plenty of blame to spread around. The only thing I can say about Poland not wanting Soviet forces crossing their border, on their way to fight the Germans, is that the Poles and Soviets fought a war against each other less than 20 years previously.
It's not that they didn't want it - STALIN DEMANDED IT FROM UK AND FRANCE ALONE!. Poland was not part of those negotiations, so obviously reply was: we can't decide for Poland. Stalin's bot official and unofficial reply was very uncharitable to both delegations. But more important fact is that those negotiations were carried out SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH RIBBENTROP-MOLOTOV's. So Stalin signed the R-M pact (with it;s secret annex) full TWO DAYS AFTER putting the ultimatum for POland on the table.
I think TIK should not be so diplomatic. I say Putin is full of bull crap. But he's also a Soviet, so cognitive dissonance, maskirovka and pushing blatant propaganda is in his blood. So not surprising he said what he said. But he also timed it well - lately Poland is exclusively a target for knifing in the back from every side... Bigger fire on the decrepit carcass of the Western Civilization is what Putin shoots for.
We don’t hear much about that particular war. But at the time Poland had just recovered her independence after being a captive nation for decades.
@@gmaacentralfounder Agreed. Polish politicians knew very well that Soviet army allowed into Poland and Czechoslovakia would never return to USSR. It would be sovietization of central Europe in 1938
@The_Jaguar_ Knight Did you know that Czechoslovakia invaded Poland in 1919? They did it because they didn't like sgreements that were made regarding borders in that region... And it was, curiously, the sane time Soviets invaded, too.
But in the end no, Poland didn't invade Czechoslovakia- they just got back what was supposedto be Polish territory in the first place.
Not saying it was smart move, but it wasn't sudden invasion like Czechoslovakia liked to do to Poland... They did the same in 1945...
@The_Jaguar_ Knight I also said it was stupid. The fact remains Czechoslovakia invaded in 1919. They did it because they wanted more land. I don't know if when that happens one should roll over or fight back. I Don't know i when someone takes something by force the rightful owner should stop wanting it back... I guess crime does pay off, i think thugs love to say that. Good to know you're one of those.
Stalin invaded places which - according to original Soviet Revolutikn leadership - has the right to decide their own fates. I guess you can call it quelling a rebellion. Fine. I wouldn't.
When and how Poland attacked Soviet Union, please? I would like to know, because as far as I know it didn't happen the way you describe it... Please, enlighten me.
Stalin, the murderous narcissist, could never forgive that his army where he was officer was defeated by the Poles 1920 and Lenins dream to reach France was halted...Stalin had to run in full panic from the attacking Poles..AS often , he got his revenge..
Lenin had no "dream to reach France". Wtf have you been reading?
@@SweRedGuardLots of historical revisionism, unsurprisingly sourced to 'operation paperclip', recruiting military leadership after the war. re As a result, the Nazi view of ww2 is the West's view, as the Cold War shut down info exchange between former allies..
@@SweRedGuard
Isn't he the on who was celebrating the "Revolution" in germany ?
Do you ignore that the comintern function was to make the world-wide revolution ?!
@@SweRedGuard
Ah wait , you're a commie 😂
@@HashimyHuseini There is a difference between world revolution and one state conquering the world. Also, it was Poland that attacked the USSR in the 20s
I have been sending this video to EVERYONE who talks about the Putin-Carlson interview. I think this is highly relevant to that event.
A hungry wolf was once drinking water at a stream. He caught sight of a lamb drinking water far down. He wanted to eat it up. He ran up to it and said very angrily, “Why are you making the water muddy? Don’t you see that I am drinking it?”
The poor little lamb began to tremble and said, “Please, sir, the water is flowing from you to me. So I am not at all making it dirty for you.” “But why did you call me names last year?” thundered the wolf. “You are mistaken, sir,” replied the lamb. “I was not even born last year.” “Then it must have been your elder brother. And you must now suffer for his fully.” So saying he jumped upon the unfortunate lamb and tore it into pieces.
@Manuel Camelo
Russia is the wolf, Poland is the sheep. Elder sheep is polish Lithuanian commonwealth
@Manuel Camelo The wolf wants to eat the sheep. It'll use any excuse- even false ones- to justify eating the sheep.
It's like the story of the lion giving the kangaroo a beating, because he wasn't wearing a beret.
@Manuel Camelo This is a variant on Aesop's fable of the wolf, which says that tyrants will come up with one excuse or another for their actions. Even if you demolish and expose each and every one of their arguments as bullshit, eventually they will say "fuck it, I just want to kill you and eat you so I will do it anyway".
@Manuel Camelo For reference, the original Fable of the Wolf is this:
"A wolf came upon a lamb straying from the flock, and felt some compunction about taking the life of so helpless a creature without some plausible excuse. So he cast about for a grievance and said at last, "Last year, sirrah, you grossly insulted me." "That is impossible, sir," bleated the lamb, "for I wasn't born then." "Well," retorted the wolf, "you feed in my pastures." "That cannot be," replied the lamb, "for I have never yet tasted grass." "You drink from my spring, then," continued the wolf. "Indeed, sir," said the poor lamb, "I have never yet drunk anything but my mother's milk." "Well, anyhow," said the wolf, "I'm not going without my dinner." And he sprang upon the lamb and devoured it without more ado."
My late Polish father, who was born in the same city, Bromberg, as the german Fw 190 designer Kurt Tank, but grew up in the same city, Bydgoszc, in the 20's, told me that the Poles feared both Germany and Russia, but that they respected Germany but Despised Russia.
The very same Bromberg in West Prussia that the Polish Unleashed one of the most beastial massacres of the German civilians before World War II before September 1939 and the Polish was so stupid to Believe In A Promise by the British and French which we could never ever of committed ourselves to fully in action because we did not have the technology at the time that was to make sure Poland survived any German or Russian invasion the moment Hitler marched into Poland Poland cease to exist in 3 weeks like pretty much every other country of Europe that Germany walked through and I started said when Germany had Moscow encircled that he and the moscowin must stay there or Russia is literally one week away from absolute collapse with the destruction of communism and the people's Revolution brought to us with the ideals of Lenin.
This is main russian claim about that period and they're right
@@juvero21 Poles are more than right
@@signorasforza354especially considering the genocide detail and all
As a note for 19:20 I must say that actually the Soviet Union infiltrated Basarabia, the territory that Romania got through the Treaty of Versailles. There were actual communist troops sent by the Soviet Union to sabotage and the Romanian Army actually fought the Soviets there. This actually supports the fact that the Romanian-Polish alliance was a defensive one because of the past aggression of the Soviet Union.
Poland never gets a break.
Look where they and The Ukraine are. They both get it from both sides.
The bugler of Cracow nods.
to be fair, they weren't exactly innocent, polishification/polanisation policies (on lithuanian,, ukrainian, and german minorities) and the polish aggression in the soviet-polish war (poland invaded hopeing to reconquer the ukraine, wanting to recreate the old extent of the polish-lithuanian republic) aswell as various older (less relevant) agression.
saying poland never catches a brake is like saying germany never catches a brake.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Disc or drum brake?
@@matthiuskoenig3378 you can't compare Poland with a country that saw the whole continent as theirs
Its naive to believe today that Putin is going to speak about WW2 honestly. This applies to all Countries leaders
Russians have never accepted blame for anything they've ever done and most socialists today won't criticize the USSR or any Communist regime for any of the countless evils they committed. It's on par with being a Hitler apologist and Holocaust denier.
@@lochnessmonster5149 indeed I don't really understand why communism gets a pass while fascism in basically banned they're both such disgusting ideologies but if you go on simple numbers communism is so much worse and has cost many many millions more lives especially if you see Hitler as a socialist (which I do). I don't give anyone that considers themselves a communist any time of day or respect much like I wouldn't for someone calling themselves a Nazi or fascist.
@@leodesalis5915 Socialism isn't Communism. There's a difference. You're confused and uninformed.
@@lochnessmonster5149 still waiting Belgium apology for Congo
@@kirillassasin They won’t apologize mostly because they feel like they’re superior. It’s the Colonial mindset.
The same guy participate in partition of Ukraine. Vlad has good sense of humor.
Ukraine should have never existed
While Ukraine is a creation of communists lol
"It was naive to believe that Hitler, once done with Czechoslovakia, would not make new territorial claims."
- Putin -
Interesting quote in the current context.
I wonder if he would apply that logic to himself.
Fun Fact you may forget: Putin is a politician, not a scholar.
he's a nazi
@@VoltageLP he's an oligarch
@@jamesricker3997 not quite, oligarchs own businesses directly, while putin owns the whole of russia through his friends
@@VoltageLP is that what being a nazi is? Fascinating.
@@VoltageLP Putin was actually a KGB agent.
I’m so sorry to hear that TIK was the victim of a tragic bus accident next week
well, I would be more afraid of intentionally infecting by corona... And it that doesn't work - afraid of radioactive element
s...
Sure would be careful on his place....
is it true?
Apparently the other 42 passengers escaped uninjured.
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You dumbass ... he implies he got “suicided” by any three character foreign agencies ....
You know.... “taken care off” “accident”... etc
@@GOLEG11 sorry to ask, calling me dumbass for asking tell something about you
"Let's blame England and the Poles for Russia siding with the Nazis and attacking Poland". Nice try putin, won't wash. YOU teamed up with Hitler,and no one should forget it.
17:30 - Canada is not independent country, its a nonsense to compare that way.
19:05 - But Poland was not aggressive. You get the point.
21:40 That's nonsense. If you wont fight to something what you cant benefit from not mean you are "defensive".
The Hess files haven't been declassified because of security reasons but due to reasons of embarrassment.
Exactly, as Putin said - waiting for Western countries to fully disclose war documents like Russia did.
What embarassment? What's being speculated?
@@Trexmaster12 Some people think that Hess came to Britain at the request of the British to negotiate peace. But when Hess was publicly discovered, the cat was out of the bag and they had to deny it publicly. Then when Germany attacked The USSR right afterward, the odds of British success rose meteorically and they no longer wanted to negotiate, so they covered it up. I don't believe this happened, but it's an interesting theory.
There were highly placed Britons, including the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, who rather liked Hess and were in favour of a negotiated settlement. Unfortunately for Hess he thought Hamilton was one of the latter, it is possible he was deliberately entrapped into so believing though I think that gives too much credit to British intelligence. In any case influential people, their descendants, and wider family get preferential treatment in this country and are saved from embarrassment from seventy five year old political indiscretions.
Its true. If the world found out that the "British" Monarchy actually supported their "German" cousins the tourist traffic would dry up to zero. And we can't have that darling. Can you imagine if the Queen had to get a real job? What would she do, greet people at Walmart?
I don’t get it , why did Great Britain and France only declare war on Germany but not Russia? Russia also invaded Poland plus invaded the Baltic countries and invaded Finland.
Britain and France DID nearly declare war on the Soviet Union but didnt feel strong enough...
Because they were smarter than Germany in deciding how many enemies they can fight at the same time.
There was no war between Poland and Russia. The Polish commander in chief Śmigły-Rydz had ordered his troops not to fight the Soviets.
Also, the Soviets occupied ethnic Belarusian, Ukrainian and Lithuanian territory seized by Poland in 1921. All ethnic Polish territory was occupied by Germany.
@@MargaritaMagdalena That's false, that area was a conglomerate of different nationalities and everyone during the civil war was fighting for their control, lithuanians, ukranians, russians, belarussian, etc, and you had cities with different etnic groups like Vilnus or Lviv, basically you couldn't claim certain area as entirely ukranian, or entirely belarussian, Poland just happened to end up controling those areas but it was not different from what any other country tried to do. Also the soviet union ended up occupying the baltics and tried to invade all of finland so yeah, they were not trying to recover territories, they just wanted to expand
i AM AN AMERICAN, born in Germany in 1932 - as a Chechoslovak citizen; my father's father was Jewish - and worked on how to convert synthetic oil to aviation fuel - which caused a british interrogator to accuse myt father of treason. What do we make of Boris Johnsen's visit to Ukraine in 2022 to jump-start another war?
Yeah and Ukraine brought about the recent invasion as well (NOTTTT)
yeah basically putler tries to convince everyone that the victims are the aggressors. That's a very common tactic I woul say
Ukrainian forces have been shelling ethnic russians in the donbass since the coup in maidan. I don't have a problem with putin uniting the russian speaking diaspora of eastern europe via SMO in order to defend themselves against ethnic persecution.
@@jimmyjames5685 Well Putin already killed many times more "ethnic Russians" in 1.5 years than the evil genocidal Ukrainians could manage in 8 years so I guess Putin is the one carrying out the ethnic persecution of Russians
NATO did. And the Azov Battalion and other Right Wing Battalions. Also Boris Johnson did. March 2022.
@@kadyrov3218 where is your bottle ivan?
Your arguments are normally pretty solid, but this comparison of East Prussia with Alaska is completely flawed. Alaska was just bought and had no tradition of American colonization.
It gained it over time. I guess now it's quite valid to conquer Canada to gain land connection
The territory of East Prussia was for a long time a vassal of the Polish Kingdom. Królewiec (Köngisberg in German), was an important city for the history of Polish printing.
@@goldenhawk352 And the only reason Elon Musk is the richest in the world is because Copernicus discovered that the Earth revolves around the sun, so put an end to these pathetic arguments and go pay your student debt.
That's true but still in that time the majority was German. So where is the argument?
@@goldenhawk352 yes, but in that case it is correct, that eastern prussia was not part of the german reich, but only an external territory associated with the realm.
Putin is not historician. He is politician. That article does not reflect historical view of events. It reflects current position or agenda of Russian government. 35-40 years ago in USSR Poles were not viewed as aggressors in WW2. Books and teachings were only omitting partition of Eastern Europe in Molotov-Ribentrov. That article reflects some old historical Soviet narrative, but not all of it. Unless current Russian narrative changed significantly from the stuff that Soviets were pushing 35 years ago.
"Reestablish Polish-Lithuanian Union" - how you expect to do that given than countries fought after WW1 and Poland held on Lithuanian territory with its historical capital after the war. Countries were not in good terms at that time. And I assume that linguistic map at 14:40 is Polish view of it. Even "Union" map is not painted as Union. It looks more like annexation given formed country's color.
“That article does not reflect historical view of events. It reflects current position or agenda of Russian government.”
Oh please, name at least one, at least one Putin’s argument in the article, which doesn’t reflect truth
“35-40 years ago in USSR Poles were not viewed as aggressors in WW2.”
That’s absolutely understandable. Then the world was divided on socialist and capitalist "camps". Moscow wanted to foster friendship between the allied peoples by all means, so it had been decided that all previous quarrels should be forgotten once and for all. For example, I’m as a teenager, living in the USSR, didn’t even know that Western Ukrainians, Latvians, Estonians and many others fought for Nazis. You just wouldn’t find it in Soviet school and university textbooks. BTW, in those times,Western historiography also had such kind of aspects.
@@alexatlantov4569 "Oh please, name at least one, at least one Putin’s argument in the article, which doesn’t reflect truth"
Oh please, did you even watch the video you're commenting under, Mr Russian?
@@alexatlantov4569 because Poles are sore about the fact that their division of Czechoslovakia together with their German friends didn’t go exactly as planned.
@@Gew219 yeah TIK goes over it line by line
@@alexatlantov4569 > Oh please, name at least one, at least one Putin’s argument in the article, which doesn’t reflect truth
Chapter 1."saved the entire world" I am coming from former USSR country which was not saved by USSR. It was occupied for forty five years.
"accession on Baltic states" - new word for annexation.
"contractual basis" - that was an ultimatum.
'evacuations to Siberia' - that started before June 22, 1941. Who evacuates people before war is declared.
This world is not black and white and every country had its own gray agenda in WW2.
Putin is an old russkie kgb liar. Some things never change.
TIK, I think you are skipping Soviet military doctrine (pre-purges), which was 'defense in depth'. Why did the Soviets want to move an army cross Poland to support Czechoslovakia against Germany? So it could fight them over there so it didn't have to fight them at home (sound familiar?)
Specifically, not having to fight in the Ukraine would mean - very optimistically - no famine in the event of war. Having just survived the self-inflicted wounds of famines caused by collectivization, and purged so many potential 'threats' internally, it's quite possible to see
Why did Stalin cut a deal with Hitler? Because trying to negotiate with Britain and France for an alliance against Hitler had failed (neither the British nor the French had had sufficient forces ready to fight and neither sent people with authority to negotiate to the meetings). When Ribbentrop turns up offering half of Poland, Stalin gets his 'defense in depth' buffer with barely a shot fired (until the NKVD start murdering Polish citizens).
Unfortunately for the Soviets, thank to Stalin's paranoia, the best of their military command had been shot or neutered in 1936-38, including the guys who created the 'defense in depth' doctrine, and they weren't capable of mounting the defense plan they had seized half of Poland and the Baltics to enact. When Hitler 'reveals' his true intent (to anyone who hadn't read his manifesto in Mein Kampf), the Red Army reels all the way back to Moscow and the USSR loses its Ukrainian breadbasket, again. Things only change as Stalin lets his generals take control of fighting the war, while Hitler is consumed by paranoia and is trying to run battles from his bunkers.
Post war, Stalin is back in control and decides that he wants to make sure he never has to fight for the Ukraine again so Soviet armies stay where they finish the war, to the detriment of Eastern Europe, the people of the Soviet Union, and arguably, the rest of the world.
Lol, "pre-purges defense in depth"? When was that? Soviets had the biggest tank force, with many amphibious tanks and airborne troops. (offensive units) It was always oriented towards offense.
You should watch TIKs video about purges before you try to lecture him:
th-cam.com/video/JnWNnI6YlQQ/w-d-xo.html
"Why did Stalin cut a deal with Hitler? Because trying to negotiate with Britain and France for an alliance against Hitler had failed" You didnt even watch the video. At 30:05 TIK points out that you make no sense. 30% of oil, grain and rare metals that IIIrd Reich uses in 1940 is from USSR. In times when British are using large resources on a German blockade. Stalin dosnt prepare for defense cause he believes IIIrd Reich is too dependent of Soviet imports to start a war with him.
And no "Things only change as Stalin lets his generals take control of fighting the war, while Hitler is consumed by paranoia and is trying to run battles from his bunkers."
No one wants to tell a dictator bad stuff. When Soviet army is loosing Stalin is strict and suspicious towards generals, when German army is loosing Hitler is strict and suspicious towards generals. They switch personalities because at Stalingrad Soviet army retakes initiative.
And no, Hitler isnt "consumed by paranoia", but rather by reality. Check how many attempts to assassination attempts there were on Hitlers life.
Let's start with obvious fact. None of great powers liked or needed Poland, except AH for a brief moment.
1. Versailles recreated Poland from lands conquered by Russia, Prussia and Austria in 18th century. AH as successor of both Prussia and Austria wanted polish lands back. Similar with Stalin and USSR.
2. French & English needed reestablishment of 1914 coalition with Russia in order to defeat German industrial & military power. Poland separated Russia and Germany. So they kinda have to get rid of Polish buffer, to make German-Russian war happen.
3. However, AH's objective was destroying communism. He was thinking about using Poland against USSR. Therefore, he changed antiPolish policy of Weimar Republic into friendly one.
4. Polish dictator Jozef (Joseph) Pilsudski in his final years wanted to use this opportunity. He suggested to his successor
s that Poland should have equal distance with main enemies USSR and Germany.
5. His successors (triumvirate: military commander Rydz-Smigly, formal president Moscicki & foreign affairs minister J. Beck) continued friendly relations with Germany. That severed Polish-French treaty.
6. Poland and Czechoslovakia were hostile because of border conflict. However, Poland wasn't much aggressive towards Prague. They hadn't procured CzS collapse. Polish leaders were simply opportunists who took advantage of Munich to get small parts of CzS with Polish people.
7. What's ironic. Everybody viewed Poland as AH ally, which Poland wasn't. For Entente Poland was unfaithful ally, who flirted with Germans. USSR was aware of possibility of German march through friendly Poland towards Moscow. Even Hitler had his hopes. Only the polish leaders were clueless.
8. Britain in order to prevent German-Polish coalition offered assurance to Poland on 31 March 1939. Polish leaders accepted British offer and became Germans' enemy. AH had to eliminate Poland before taking revenge on France.
9. However, for Entente Poland was redundant weak ally which could be disposed to get real, strong ally in the East. Which means USSR.
I watched somwhere that French at the time considered Poland stronger then USSR, mainly because bias towards communism similar like Hitler was. They thought alliance with Poland was enough.
@inxxcenturyfox Simple answer. Even if these lands didn't belong to Poland, that does not mean they should belong to USSR. Stalin didn't want to create sovereign, democratic states of Ukraine & Belarus.
"AH had to eliminate Poland before taking revenge on France." -- this view requires invasion of France as a predicate, when in reality, Hitler's own intentions were always to invade Poland first. This scenario was not generated by any actions of the British, who had to this point consistently supported German reclamation of "German" lands, i.e. the useful Munich.
To put it another way, the British guarantee of Polish sovereignty, should have only motivated a German invasion of Poland... if the Germans intended to invade anyway, or to pressure Poland into status as a subject state. Which, we now know and understand beyond a shadow of a doubt (history is not a blind-spot), they did.
@inxxcenturyfox Construing pre-war Polish interest in the mistreatment of Poles outside of Poland's borders with "disrespect for minorities" is a classic war-propaganda German pejorative. It's a lot harder to fault people for not intervening before the genocides when you see people still getting fooled by such things today, they were damn good at it.
@@Bingo_Bango_ Hitler's general objective was German supremacy on the continent. So in any scenario Czech, Poland, France, Russia were in the way. However, it was a long way. Hitler started with easier targets and to steadily gain power (and resources). Saara, Austria, Czech, Slovakia, Klaipeda, Poland. Entente wanted to delay the war. But delay also served strengthening Hitler's power. He acquired Czech industry, Silesia coal, etc.
TIK, I just wanted to say thank you so very much for all of your work on all aspects of WWII. I am a 55yr old former United States Marine who has been studying everything I can get my hands on about WWII practically since birth. I have never failed to gain greater insight and understanding of this subject while watching your work on this channel. Well done!!
Poland has always had the misfortune of being a strategically important area, but also exceedingly difficult to defend geographically. Same thing with the whole of the middle east.
Don't forget that USSR/kgb captured most of the German archives
Their biggest mistake was to build their country between Angry mustache man 1 and angry mustache man 2
Well, we can't exactly pack our stuff and move somewhere else. Besides, there was a time (admittedly, long ago) when the roles were reversed and in those days no one could predict what future will bring.
And yet it was going pretty well as long as they had their own Angry moustache man ;)
@@Saeronor Good example of influence that one man can have on international poltics. His lackeys, who succeeded him, weren't as capable as him in managing the country's affairs. It's kind of ironic if you think about it - more than a decade of quasi nationalist dictatorship is now considered almost a golden age by many Poles for no sensible reason whatsoever. But that's how history works, I guess.
Difference is Angry mustache man 1 wanted to ally with Poland against Angry mustache man 2 who didn't even want a small polish state to exist
@@AFGuidesHD
/not pictured/ Angry moustache man 1 wanting to amputate few limbs and pulling the rest by strings.
As evidenced few years later.
"You got what you deserved," is always an argument of a bully.
"But he hit me first, I was just defending" is another that comes to mind (when teacher comes)
First: Putin never actually said that, you are not even paraphrasing him, you are just straw manning him. That is a very intellectually dishonest act which shows that not only are you immature, and not also that you have some kind of grudge to bear, but also that you want others to share your prejudice. So you are also a gas-lighter.
Second: And yet "You should learn that your actions have consequences, and so to take personal responsibility for your actions", is wise and benevolent advice.
In other words, taken all together - your comment is very low-res and low-info, and much worse, actually the product of a nasty, little mind.
@@sunnyjim1355 Anyone who watched the video and has minimal knowledge about WWII could extract the same conclusion as mine, and find that Putin is a malicious revisionist. Putin is not a fool, and he is doing this intentionally in order to legitimize his action, like the war against Ukraine. How dangerous that is?
@@stef1896 lol not only is Putin not a fool but you're awfully jealous of Putin. doubt he cares about what plebs have to say. smh.
That's exactly what everyone tells white people today
It makes me chuckle when he says: Mr. Putin, Mr. Hitler, Mr. Stalin
Putin's commentary completely ignores the fact that the Soviet Union cynically invaded Poland from the east just 16 days later than the ostensible start of the war on September 1st. Of course, the three different Soviet massacres of the Polish leadership in Katyn Forest, compounded by the audacity of the Soviets trying to blame those same massacres on the Germans, is something he also neglects to mention or concede whatsoever.
"Putin's commentary completely ignores the fact that..." - many people's last words.
@@scratchy996 Point well-taken. Thank you for the heads-up warning...^^
The obtuse nitwit praising the Soviet Union for supposedly being the only country to stand up for Czechoslovakia in 1938 HIGHLY selectively ignores that the Soviet Union was also the only country starving, into absolute prostrate submission, Ukraine, and for that matter most of its own so-called "kulaks" (meaning they maybe had two cattle, instead of just one), in the ghoulish forced-collectivization period 1932~1936...
@@colinwrubleski7627 I'm from Romania, I have family members who were murdered, and others sent to forced labor because they were small business owners, aka bourgeois, and others owned a farm. Kulaks were called "chiaburs" here.
Both my mother and father became orphans, and were labeled of being of "unhealthy social origin".
I know all about the "joys" of Communism.
@@scratchy996 : Sorry to hear about the grief to which your family had been subjected... but thank you for sharing your comments.
Thank you for making the video. I just want to contribute little background information that is missing from your argument. While the events you discussed were unfolding Soviet Russia was engaged in genocide against its Polish citizens. Part of great purges of late thirties Russians murdered approximately 200000 (two hundred thousands) it's Polish Soviet citizens (Poles living within borders of CCCP). Genocide known as Polish Action was sanctioned by Stalin and Politbiuro. With such a context imagine Polish leadership agreeing on Russian behemoth army entering Poland borders.
Almost most forget about it
Yes, the Soviet Union engaged in genocide from 1937 to 1938 of the Polish minority living within it's border. NKVD Order #00485.
USSR engaged in many genocides. They're just not spoken about cause they were on the side of the victors, and also because they made sure to cover their tracks as best as they could, while the nazis were pretty meticulous in their documentation of their crimes.
When the map created in Versailles shows Germany literally eating Poland, you know there will be problems lol.
Eastern border was not drawn in Versailles.
@@tokul76 yep, Poland decided to draw the map by their own perception, while russia was in a state of anarchy
@@impaugjuldivmax Thats why russia invaded every country to the west in 1919/20 , right ?
@@noraswe In 1919 half of european russia was occed by Gernamy-Austria Alliance;
in 1920 Poland, France, Britain, the US, Japan occupied different regions of Russia.
clarify yourself what do you mean
@@impaugjuldivmax lol what history book are you reading you stupid fuck? In 1918 Russia started their westward offensive , and invaded Latvia , Estonia , Lithuania ,Belarus , Ukraine ,Romania and Poland. All part of russia right?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_westward_offensive_of_1918%E2%80%9319
We can see it today 2023 and I quote Churchill: poland is the HYENA of Europe.
he didnt say that.
@@zepter00 he did. And not only he.
Missed the part where he who shall not be named says that H. was a good guy and would not have started the war without Poland's help. He simply says that Poland and other powers by participating in the Munich agreement helped start the war by encouraging Hitler. Once Stalin saw that with regards to Hitler it is every man for himself, they acted accordingly. They seized a part of Poland to gain additional buffer space, but only when it was evident that Poland was lost and could not defend itself against the Nazis. Of course there were historic beefs and conflicts between various countries involved (Poland, Czechoslovakia, Russia etc) but we are talking about the big picture here. Poland was certainly in a tough situation with regards to Germany and the Soviet union, but that is precisely why they never should have agreed with the Munich agreements. It was evident that the war was a real possibility and any policy of appeasement and changing of status quo was very dangerous. Churchill spoke about it frequently in the pre war years. He was also very opposed to the Munich agreement.
You joke, but that's really the only way to solve the Canadian Question
that's why alaska was purchased and clearly it failed
Matt and Max any ETA on the new podcast?
@@michaelthayer5351 The Audio is almost done. Then I have to do the video. It will probably be a couple weeks. It's going to a good one. It's a subject we've alluded to several times.
Its impossible to solve Canadian Question in only 2 and half years, with these railroad scedules and having only few owens.
@@xxxyyy1880 ig that's why trump wanted 8 years and more industry while depriving canada of its own oven making ability
This shows just how far back Putin had an idea about future aggressions
indeed
By protecting the Donbass ( full of cultural Russians and Russian speakers) from the constant shelling from the Kiev regime and their Neo Nazi battalions. Look up the Ukraine civil war (2014-2022). Which started after the western backed Maiden coup. Putin ended the war and is de-nazifying the country. Something the west gave up on quickly after WW2 and recruited them to fight the Soviets.
Putin is also no fool
The way he brazenly rewrites history to justify the USSR invading Poland takes my breath away
@@owenb8636 absolute majority of his citizens shares his views. I just don’t know why people are still so blind.
I'm a Romanian living in the UK listening to an English lad commenting on a Czech guy's debate held in Sweden about opinions from Russia's president regarding Polish foreign affairs. If this is not globalism, I don't know what it is!
Globalism is the entire world; in 1938 - 39,it was a small area of eastern Europe 👍
Also, this was read by a guy in Ireland reading about a Romanian living in the UK listening to an English lad commenting on a Czech guy's debate held in Sweden about opinions from Russia's president regarding Polish foreign affairs. If this is not globalism, I don't know what it is!
@@IR240474 Also, this was seen by a person from the United States referring to this comment created to express that a guy from Ireland read about a Romanian living in the UK listening to an English lad commenting on a Czech guy's debate held in Sweden about opinions from Russia's president regarding Polish foreign affairs. If this is not globalism, I don't know what it is!
Globalism is the interconnection of the economies and alliances of countries throughout the world in an attempt to prevent war by dependence.
Sadly, World War 1 was directly caused by those globalist alliances, and the Ukraine/Russia war is directly being extended by outside politicians who are using Ukraine as a battleground for a proxy war against Russia... which is uniting Russia and China.
So globalism is causing more problems.
😂😂😂
"It was naive to believe that Hitler, once done with Czechoslovakia would not make new territorial claims." - Putin Annexes Crimea! Lol
He should have taken all Eastern Ukraine. There is a big displeasure in people who live here that he didn't. Many of the people hate Ukrainian state for their Nazi-like politics of suppression of russian majority. If the Europe really wants peace it should stop Ukraine instead of helping it and demand from it to accept multiculture non discriminating laws.
Sounds like Mr. Pukin forgot what started the great patriotic war.
He took Crimea in response to NATO aggression.
@@vincentdimitri169 He took Crimea because Ukraine was gravitating towards NATO, which is hostile to Russia. And Ukraine gravitated towards NATO to begin with because Russia has historically been hostile to it. If the USSR and later Russian Republic had not treated the Baltic, eastern, and Ukrainian states as they have done, those states would not see Russia as a threat and wouldn't even bother trying to enter the US alliance to begin with.
@@obligatoryusername7239 you talk as if today's russia behaves like the soviet union.
As an Alaskan who was married to a Ukranian that now lives in Czech Republic but is plagued by the Ghosts of Swedish and British Royal ancestry, I really loved that intro! Viva France!
Fuck France for ever!
I love how Putin’s entire argument doesn’t even consider the fact that the USSR invaded Poland in 1920.
But then again- men like Putin seem to live in their own personal bubble(s)……….
russia is not the soviet union any more.
Ok, I don't get it. There are SO many posts saying USSR invaded Poland in 1920 and it just makes me scratch my head. Russia was still at the height of its civil war, Poland invaded Russia, even bias as all heck wiki agrees.
"In 1919, while the Soviet Red Army was still preoccupied with the Russian Civil War of 1917-1922, the Polish Army moved into territories regarded by many Poles as Polish "Kresy". That year, they took most of present-day Lithuania and Belarus. By July 1919, Polish forces had taken control of much of Eastern Galicia and had emerged victorious from the Polish-Ukrainian War of November 1918 to July 1919."(END QUOTE)
Post liberation Poland was a incredibly vicious state that saw itself as the new power of the area and grabbed territory from everyone close by. Putin is not totally wrong in his opinion, but we can at least agree on the basic fact that Poland started hostilities with the USSR while they were fighting for their very survival against the allies. USSR simply returned the favour.
@@sapare7838 you should be aware you are making a neo-Nazi argument that has been debunked
@@ZESAUCEBOSS The neo-Nazi argument is actually believing that the USSR was allied with Germany
How did Soviet troops found themselves in Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania? And would you describe prewar Czechoslovakia as a "vicious aggressive" power because of her wars with Poland and Hungary?
Great video! Jus one (altough important) point - Sudetenland was NEVER a part of Germany. It was heavily populated by ethnic Germans (some 2-3 millions), but that was a result of medieval policies, when czech kings allowed german settlers to live in those mountains and make them livable by building villages, cities, bussinesses etc. It worked really well. German influence helped barely touched regions of bordeland wilderness to rise into very prosperous regions + the fact that the czech kingdom was a major player in the industry of the Austrian monarchy helped Czechoslovakia to become a very prosperous and modern country. That was later fucked up by Hitler and especially Stalin.
So basically like Texas, which was originally a sparsely populated part of Mexico, so they allowed American settlers to build out the region.
Except that came back to bite Mexico as the settlers firmly allied themselves with the US (in huge part because slavery was illegal in Mexico, yet the settlers violated this by bringing in slaves anyway).
@@GTAVictor9128 Well, that's an extremely short version, leaving out important elements, the whole Mexican revolution, constitution, guarantees, Santa Anna violating thee constitution, and the simple fact that it was not just the American settlers who then revolted.
Sudetenland was part of HRE and Austria Hungary, which were basically, Prototype Germany, and 2nd Germany
Since 1307 were Germans King of Bohemia and also Kaiser of the Roman-German Empire
Churchill destroyed Europe.
I don't get, maybe it's my bad English, but Putin does not state that Poland brought Nazi aggression on herself but instead that Polish foreign policy was reckless resulting in Poland staying almost alone (at. least on a regional level) against German aggression. He does not justify Nazi or Soviet aggression against Poland but, in my opinion, tries to point out that would Poland cooperate with the Soviet Union and stay strong against aggressive German policy the war could have been avoided, or at least Germany would be stopped much earlier.
He says Poland has "annexationist plans" that were only stopped by Hitler.
TIK is a neo-liberal shill, “Orange man is colluding with Putin” video in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.....
To add to this. If we express history to be a chain (to more like a directed acyclic graph) of events the only fair way to analyze it is to try to give interpretations on how one event (or sub-chain of events) affected immediately following. Of course, it is not possible to research every event so we need to allocate the most important events and identify clusters of events within a history chain or graph. However, the scale has very great importance in this analysis, so we can't just cut a big portion of events and create a dependency or relation between very far located nodes. And I feel it is exactly what is done sometimes in this video. There are possibly a few examples of this. First is that the Soviets would not leave Poland be after cooperation in the war against Germany. This statement is based on fact that the Soviets didn't basically did this after WW2. But we can't just through 5 years war of extermination out of the equation, as well as all events that came after. Another one is that the Soviets were not able to fight Germany prior to 1940. And this is possibly true but it is impossible to state that prior to 1940 it was widely considered as a fact.
Damn this nationalinterest.org such a shit website. Anyway, @TIK I found only 2 statements where "annexation" is mentioned:
"Poland was aware that without Hitler's support, its annexationist plans were doomed to fail.""
"Besides, we do not know if there were any secret "protocols" or annexes to agreements of a number of countries with the Nazis. "
None of them any closely relates to "Poland has "annexationist plans" that were only stopped by Hitler."
I don't have anything against neoliberalism and TIK personally. And I actually agree that Putin's statements in many ways flawed. At least his article can not be interpreted as scientific. To me, this article is more like an appeal to analyze history from not only a one-sided point of view but consider other perspectives. Especially in highlights of the current political situation.
You're British. Britain is responsible for Munich Betrayal. Of course you would defend one of the co-conspirator. You accuse
him of only following Soviet perspective and then follow the perspective of Britain to the letter. Also "nazis also believe it" is a fallacy and completely irrelevant to pretty much any topic at hand, what matters is if its true or not not.
This comment is so Russian I can smell the cheap vodka. The USSR was on the wrong side of history and was partly responsible for the start of WW2, not Poland. Accept it and move on for God sake.
Okay, Poland annexed 0.65% of Czechoslovakian territorry in 1938, that was mostly inhabited by Polish people! Moreover, non-polish people living there were half-half ethnically german and czech. Still polish people were 90% of all population there.
Please keep things in perspective rather than trust what lying KGB spy tells you :)
This is just insincere take. 1910 census gave 54% polish speaking majority. But it's more complicated, as many identified as Silesians with its weird and wonderful mixture of polish, moravian, german and jewish language and culture, not as Poles, but Austria-Hungary did not recognised this in census (very limited language/nationality choices) and lumped them together with fullblown Poles in it.
Poland, and Hungary, took the opportunity of Hitler's invasion of Czech lands to retake territory which the Czechs took in 1919 while the Poles were busy fighting the Soviets during the Polish and Soviet War of 1919-1920,. There was NO agreement with Germany to divide Czechoslovakia. Also, Poland had non-aggression pacts with both the Soviets and Nazi Germany. Putin forgets that the Soviets signed the Treaty of Rapallo with Germany in 1922 for military cooperation. Also, as part of the Molotov and Ribbentrop Agreement the Soviets supplied grain, oil, and other materials to help Hitler prosecute his war in the West right up to 1941 when Hitler backstabbed his buddy, Stalin. Take a hike, Putin.
History is recorded by the victor, no matter the accuracy of that account. Putin is ignorant of any other references.
@@rishz7857 Poland was an allied nation from 1939 to 1945 fighting on all fronts with 250,000 Poles fighting alongside their British and other allies in the West (1940 to 1945), the First and Second Polish Armies (400,000) which from 1942 fought alongside the Red Army all the way to Berlin and Dresden. Poland had a very large underground which also staged the 63 Day Warsaw Uprising in 1944.
The Soviets were allies of Nazi Germany from 1939 to 1941 when they not only jointly invaded Poland but supplied the Germans with fuel, grain, and other materials to help them fight the Western allies. They only became allies when Germany attacked them. This is something that Putin likes to forget while he mocks the Poles and rewrites their history to defame them. But, given the poor performance of his military in Ukraine Putin looks like a loser recording his fake history.
When / at what year did the Polish "government" offer GB/F to attack GER from East and West?
France MADE Poland in 1918. Poland was then armed by France with weapons and tanks.
Poland wasn't that innocent as it is told. Poland extended it's territory about 200 kliometres to the east after the war against the soviet union.
@@vanlendl1 Yeah, after defeating the Soviets at the gates of Warsaw. POLAND DID NOT START WW2 just because it won the Polish and Soviet War in 1920. Gee, maybe instead of saving Vienna in 1683 Polnad's King John Sobieski should have stayed home and let the Ottomans occupy Austria, and maybe Hitler would not have been born. What is it with you apologists for Hitler or Stalin?
I'm sorry, but in Putin's citations Germany is clearly pointed out as aggressor, not Poland. Poland (and its Western allies) are not accused of aggression, but of *naïveté.* It is intellectually very dishonest to claim that Putin calls "Hitler an innocent guy" 5:45
Just started the video and I hope it gets more nuanced, as is usually the case (and I really love your channel for that!), but this really is a bad take, TIK. Don't forget that Putin is from Leningrad and that his family has lost life and health during the Leningrad Blockade. He knows who the aggressor was, and he never called Hitler an "innocent guy" nor would he.
Now back to watching the video! : )
The Polish and the Germans had talks about invading Russia during the 30’s Hitler’s ambitions were to simply destroy the Soviets, the war against humanity evolved as the war raged on and then extended to all slavs.
Putin said - “Poland was also engaged in the partition of Czechoslovakia along with Germany. They decided together in advance who would get what Czechoslovak territories.... Poland was aware that without Hitler's support, its annexationist plans were doomed to fail...”
Yet you interpret this as Putin saying Poland wasn't aggressive? - "Poland (and its Western allies) are not accused of aggression"
I'm sorry but this isn't a "bad take" on my part. Putin literally says Poland has "annexationist plans".
@@TheImperatorKnight Yes, Putin implied Poland was the aggressor but that does not imply him accepting Hitler as 'innocent'. I think there is a misunderstanding in the comment posted here that confused Putin's view and some guys who want to use this to push this view that Poland was aggressor and thus Hitler was 'innocent' as you mentioned in your video.
Btw, Im from India, love your videos as always.
"Yes, Putin implied Poland was the aggressor but that does not imply him accepting Hitler as 'innocent'."
Of course it does. If Poland is the aggressor, then Hitler was reacting to Poland's aggression, much like Putin claims that the Soviet Union was innocent for reacting to Poland's aggression.
TIK is a neo-liberal shill, he’s slowly exposing his agenda via some of his anti-Putin statements, how long before we see an “Orange Man colluded with Putin” video??
Well, this is somewhat interesting given the current context of the war in Ukraine.
Pols got a third optio: ally themselves with Czech. Pols got numbers, Czech got industry.
This ain't Hoi4
While Poland was certainly not a completely innocent bystander in the lead up to war. They in no way "deserve" what happened. Nor did Polish leadership seriously plan some sort of Empire as Stalin and Hitler had. If anything they were practicing the most basic Realpolitik and trying to work things to their advantage without really supporting anyone and trying not to get invaded.
I view it the same way. Leaders job is to put your nation in a better position and keep it from being invaded. But as history shows us, most leaders use the route of stealing resources from other nations other then self improvement and negotiations based on equal benefit.
Poland was doomed from the start due to its location between 2 bigger hostile countries. I don't think there was any card it could have played to save itself from that massacre.
If they allied with the USSR they wouldn't have lost about 20% of their population to German extermination camps.
@@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag yeah because the Soviets treated the polls so much better... From Wikipedia
500,000 Polish nationals imprisoned before June 1941 (90% male)[1]
22,000 Polish military personnel and officials killed in the Katyn massacre alone[2]
1,700,000 Poles deported to Siberia in 1939-1941[3]
100,000 women raped during the Soviet counter-offensive (est.)[4]
150,000 killed by the Soviets [5]
From the start of XXc, yes. After 123 years of destroing polish nationality, culture, lands and people, before that poland hadn't any bigger problem with germany nor russia
The USSR was no friend of Poland. They would have happily enslaved or exterminated it themselves. Stalin however was always keen to avoid looking like a villain whenever possible. That's why they let Germany invade it first. The allies then declared war on Germany, but not Russia (hur hur).
@@stevewhite3424 Yeah, guess why? Exactly because they refused and forced the USSR to invade them. Btw, that's still way less victims than those that the Germans did and were planning to do. They were lucky to be between us and Berlin, because that's what saved them in the end.
Putin… lying? I’m shocked
truly incredible right
Polish Corridor was part of Polish Kingdom for hundreds of years before the first partition of Poland in 1772. And even then Danzig remained as Polish city. It was then called Royal Prussia. My family was living there for at least of 200 years and remained Polish although strong 'Germanization' policy of Germany/Prussia started in 19th century and active until 1918. I recall stories from my grandpa that in school he was punished for speaking Polish, while at home parents were not pleased for using sometimes German words.
Ah and now talk about polish agression against germans. And don’t believe stories of your grandparents if the where part of polish agression.
if his parents where not pleased to hear german words the are people without honour
@@Ratselmeister That's not aggression against Germans. It's simply not wanting to lose your culture.
Even people today don't like when English/German/Russian words are used when the equivalent polish word already exists, and that's despite there being many words taken from those languages and French which some people don't realise are not of Polish origin.
Lets be factual: the later Corridor belonged to the Polish-Lithuanian confederacy from 1466 to 1772, 3 centuries. Besides this may be 150years after the millenium (1000). That is to say half of the time until 1945 the Corridor aerea with Gdansk did not belong to Poland but to the state of the Teutonic Order, Prussia and the German Reich after 1870. The population was a mixture of Kashubes, ethnic Poles and Germans before the flight and expulsion of the Germans started in 1945. Danzig was part of the German Hansa commerical League, a city of trade and business. German was the lingua franca all around the Baltic Sea and even far into Russia Novgorod, Moscow.
Summary: History and Ethnicity gives no side a clear claim. Thats why today only an European conciousness makes sense and keeps new trouble out.
@rudolfkraffzick642 To be precise, Danzig/Gdansk belonged to the Teutonic Order between 1308-1454, then to Prussia/Germany between 1793-1920. To Poland: 960-1227, 1282-1308, 1454-1793. Hanseatic League wasn't just a German association, though it originated from German traders.
THE FINAL SOLUTION FOR THE LEAF QUESTION SHALL BE ACHIEVED!
Just raise the prices of their luxury canned soups another Loonie or two and that should finish them off for good.
Raise the Rakeswehr?
@@essexclass8168 Don't you dare try it. Soon you'll be sorry too, you'll all be sorry!
@@essexclass8168 British Columbia is Appalachia on steroids
Hi, it is Chris from Poland.
Thanks for this video.
WW2 started not when Hitler attacked Poland but when the UK and France declared war on Germany. They could have stopped Hitler in 1938 but didn;t So those countries are to blame .
Putin would probably be taller if his ego wasn't weighing him down so much.
that is actually polish problem, not Putin.
Considering that Poland had fought tooth and nail for control of the Kresy, I’d be more surprised if they weren’t hostile to the USSR.
Poland was hostile to the USSR after 1920 war. Pilsudski's regime viewed USSR as main threat as Weimar's Republic was demilitarised. When AH came to power he change antiPolish policy of Weimar into friendly one. Poland almost simultaneously signed non-aggresion treaties with USSR (1932) and Germany (1934) in order to stabilize its position between USSR and Germany. That was called policy of equal distance.
It is rare to see what with many consider minor country kick the ass of the Soviet Union and centuries before the greenhouse of the ottoman empire out of Central Europe.
But some remember the Winged Hussars.
@@joshuadimovski8842 Lol "poland-superpower" freak
@@dubitacjuszszczecinski9695 I fully agree with you. Dobrze powiedziane!
Where there WOD is Iraq?
Yeah if only Poland let itself get peacefully partitioned just like back in the late 18th century.
Poland's neighbors were Hungary, oops I mean hungry, and bit off a piece and swallowed it. Hitler and Stalin did the same in 1939.
If only. a polish state is always a failed state.
@@ktayba8303 a polish state is always a failed state. You serious? or this is sarcasm cuz i didnt get that :)
@@maciejuczak1956 no i think he is actually serious somehow
@@theperson_12 yea i afraid that might be the case 😁 im just wait for confirmation before il write som more 😡
Were Ukrainians also agressive 🤔
Was Finland also agressive 🤔
Were Baltic countries agressive 🤔
Was Poland agressive in 1772 and that's why Russia had to split it with 2 other countries 🤔
(lets not forget about something similiar to Munich conference but on bigger scale with taking territories aka Ribbentrop-Molotov lmfao)
Anything Putin says is nonsense: he cannot speak for Russia and the Communist Party can never speak for Russia - they only claim to..
Next, Stalin was obviously seething that Russia lost the 1920 war against Poland, against all expectations. He got his revenge in 1944.
Napoleon's biggest strategic error was his refusal to make Poland into a nation state. The Polish cavalry corps was probably his most loyal army unit, brave to a fault, and led the rest of his hesitant army to victory in many a tight corner.
Poland could have been a strong buffer against Russian army invasions, a suitable buffer to keep the Prussians and Austrians, the French emperor's main enemies, in check. Instead, the big three massed their armies, defeating Napoleon at the Battle of the Nations, and the Prussians arrived late at Waterloo but in time to secure victory. If the Poles had been a nation state the Prussians would have hesitated in sending their army westwards.
Is this written by Viktoria Nuland? 😆 🤣
17:07 *INVADE CANADA*
How dare they separate us from our Alaskan brothers?
want another beatdown ? try it, you really want your white house burnt down AGAIN?
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 I want to thank Canadians for not invading us in such a long time.
Vancouver or war
@@janehrahan5116 "Vancouver or war"
LOL.
Today, Windsor. Tomorrow, the Yukon.
Uhm, I’m not sure why you think that Putin implied that Hitler is innocent and that Poland is the main instigator of the war. It’s pretty clear that all he meant is that Hitler could be contained more effectively had Poland and certain other European governments been more cooperative from the very beginning. You’ve spent most of the video arguing with points Putin didn’t make (e.g. he said that Germany would obviously expand its territorial claims, and you’ve devoted an entire segment to prove the exact same idea). Then you’re insisting that nobody else formed any agreement with Germany to divide the territory of other countries. You’re asking “Why didn’t the Soviet Union just stand up to Germany alone?”. First of all, they were not ready, so the goal was to buy time and keep German forces at the maximum distance possible. Secondly, you’re forgetting that the stakes were much higher - unlike Western countries, NS ideology required large scale extermination of population of the USSR. This was on display later, when the war actually broke out.
Then why did they not attack Germans when they were busy in the west? Even the weak Red army could have beaten the small forces arrayed there by the soviets. But no, they did not probably due to the reasons TIK mentioned in the video.
@@castor3020 a pre emptive strike against the germans would fail for the same reasons that the soviet union lost so much in the start of the war, they were not ready and would not be until much later
@@RussianFedBoy If they weren’t ready in 1940, why did Putin lied and said they were ready to defend Czechoslovakia in 1938?
I'm not sure why you claim TIK is thinking that Hitler is innocent and that Poland is the main instigator of the war. Most of the video was spent explaining the setup in 1938...
You clearly don't want to understand what Putin really said... ANd what he said was (effectively): because Poland aggresively pursued it's own policies in the international relations and refused to be subservient to either Nazi Germany or Commie SOviets, it was Poland's own doing and it was direct result of the war (because due to shortsightedness Poland refused benevolent Soviet offer of allowing RKKA to "march" through it's territories).
Putin obviously gaslights here - Secret annex to R-M pact was apparently a norm for Soviet Union and Vovka EXPECTS every other international treaty to be same... I'm not surprised he thinks that - after all, USSR was invaded by several powers in short 20 years before 1938 (UK, USA, Japan, Poland, Turkey), but he forgets USSR also instigated several wars on it's own, including with Poland.
Putin behaves as if Poland was oblivious to what was happening in the East. Of course, he's gaslighting here, too... Poland was acutely aware of the danger from both sides, that is why it's intelligence services were best in those two countries. They knew exactly what were long-term plans of both IIIR and USSR.
You also keep missing the larger point: Putin blames Poland for refusing USSR's offer of anti-Nazi pact, but he conveniently forgets that Stalin did it in negotiations where POLAND WAS ABSENT, AS IT WAS NOT INVITED. Yes, Stalin demanded the right to pass through Poland FROM BRITAIN AND FRANCE!!!! And when it was left on the table (and not refused, as UK and FR - unlike USSR or IIIR - weren't in the habit of disposing other countries), TWO DAYS LATER STALIN AND HITLER SIGNED THEIR OWN TREATY!!!!
Not to mention that just by 1930, USSR invaded no less than 17 times, of which 8 was with independent states and rest involvement in civil wars in ex-tsarist countries that declared independence in wake of the Revolution. Who should trust that record?
In other words: you're full of s**t.
how? even with the poor conditions of their armed forces the germans had their best troops in the west, and the terrain was pretty flat, im not saying that the soviets could have gone all the way into Berlin but they could certainly have helped a lot if they had attacked.
No way: "brought to it's own destruction" is equal to "has a blame to start WW"
Great question, great follower, great channel!
29:39 Disagree. Hitler offered the non agressive pact to Stalin, because he was the acting party so he had to had the "amen" to his plans. That is why Ribbentrop travelled to Moscow to get the deal, and not vice versa.
Russia got 200 km buffer zone on West, (including the infamous Brest-Litovsk fortress) and the Balticum. It was a major factor why Leningrad was not captured by the Wermacht, because there were heavy fighting in Estonia even in oktober of 1941.
yeap... that's why there was the need to capture Vilnius and kill Lithuanian patriots..
He simply regained Russian territory lost in Russian Civil War.
Brest Litovsk fortress was build by the Russian Emperial army.
True, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was probably one of the key reasons Hitler's Germany did not win the war.
Would the fact that Poland had recently fought Russia over territory; had anything to do with it.
What territory? When? Russia occupied Poland for over 120 the land loss was never recovered. Or perhaps you mean soviet invasion of 1920?
@@Leb0wski72 to jest ignorant historyczny, nie ma pojęcia o ziemiach polskich przedwojennych a co tu wspominac o Polsce z przed rozbiorów
@@Leb0wski72befor this was Polish invasion, Poland start war first trying to retake lands what he realised as Polish, now there are territories of Ukrane, Belorussia, Lithuania and maybe some others countries. Polish troops even took the Kiev/Kyiv, but then expelled and pushed to the west and must fought for survival against bolsheviks on territory of polish mainland.
@@vikhad And won, kicking the russians out, stoping the bolshevik revolution in a good portion of Europe and taking western Belarus and Ukraine. After the war the Soviets were practically dying of the great hunger XD. What a great coutntry, the soviet union, a true communist utopia. *wink, wink*. (Sarcasm of course)
@@Sentekuu "And won" - not for long.
The best argument that Poland was not planning aggressive action is the Polish army was not mobilized to war numbers in 1939.
I'm waiting for Putin to blame Romania and Bulgaria next. :-)
I would like to object here
I grew up in Soviet Union and left in 1989
I’m very familiar with their WWII propaganda at least during Brezhnev times
I do not remember Soviets blaming Poland for Hitler war. I remember them specifically blaming Hitler and only Hitler. So when we heard this coming out of Putin mouth we were shocked.
So this is something new to us. New propaganda made up by putin. Not Soviet propaganda
The USSR and the russians were attacking, pressing, carving up many nations in Eastern Europe even before their second war against the polish done in partnership with the nazis attacking from the western border started, it would be a whole other level of 1984 had they actively said this themselves, close to the years of the events and with themselves being still soviet russians. And still having the polish themselves under their imperialist dominion and boot, unlike now that they're free.
they didn't blame them cos poland was allied with ussr even after how poland occupied parts of ussr in 1920, or how poles were killing german civilians
Putin is trying to rewrite history it first his new plan where he sees himself build the new russian empire that he is trying to assemble. Though brave Ukrainians broke his evil plan and punched him hard. We need to keep helping Ukraine to keep standing, keep fighting.
@@george.carlin❤❤❤
I've always thought the notion that Poland was spoiling for a fight with a Germany that had waltzed through Czechoslovakia was absurd. Particularly when they knew about the Germany Soviet agreement to some extent.
I do not pretend to be an expert on the subject, but it seems to me that the Soviet Union always wanted those territories back - even if if was former Imperial Russia's territory. And we al know the political background of Vladimir Putin.
Exactly, it's obvious what Putin's intentions are here. That's why the narrative he's pushing is questionable at best
@@TheImperatorKnight He's done this stuff with Finland and justified things like the winter war. He and the Russian media love to try and rewrite history and justify the soviet actions
@@TheImperatorKnight Why didn’t the Western Allies also declared War on Soviet Union when they invaded Poland? Why only Germany?
@@jasonjason6525 Poland and Soviet Union were & weren't in war at the same time. It sounds crazy, since Soviets invaded Poland and murdered many Polish citizens. But there was no CLEAR declaration of war on both sides.
I guess Soviets wanted all territories they could put their hands on, especially those territories with valuable resources.
To be fair it's not unique to them ;)
I mean, just look at what Poland was wearing at the time.
Can you refrain from intonating scornfully when quoting from sources?
I fail to see where putin says that Poland was the reason the war started and Germany was "forced" to go to war. Maybe is implicit and I did not understanded it. The video is not really interesting but maybe it should have separated the Putin wiew from that of the other work because Putin do not say a single thing about it (from what I understood), so taking for granted that his positions are the same of the pro nazi historian is not the best thing to do. Sometimes in your videos these things happen especially when talking about historical things that are strongly politically related (is totally normal to do this and I do it myself many times). I'm not defending neither of those wiews (Putin's one or the other author) but I think they should be considered separatedly otherwise we might fail in our analysis or debunking (and people might get clingy about it). That said i like a lot your channel, you do a really good work. Sorry for my bad english, I'm not a native speaker and did not pay much attention in school (regretted later on).
but thats exactl what one should do. If someone sacrifices history on altar of politics, one should sacrifice the rhetoric in question on different altar of politics thus showing that the politician defeted himself. He is an actor in only one country.
@@trpcp I kinda understood what you said. Comparing those wiews is ok and important but as I said they should be treated separatedly since neither of the two parties said they agree with each other. I was just saying that some assumptions were (in my opinion) incorrect (incorrects?) because i saw no concrete foundations for those.
@@vilegione4569 agree with you. Also I'd love everyone of us in this thread to have English as good and clear as yours. :)
@@i-etranger thank you, I put lots of effort in writing things clearly. I did not browse comments often so I do not know what are the lenguage standards.
If Poland was RESPONSIBLE because the cooperated with Germany in dividing up Czechoslovakia then wouldn't the USSR be RESPONSIBLE because they cooperated in dividing up Poland?
Of course, but what was Poland or Britain doing that provoked war? Isn't this like blaming South Korea and the USA for the Korean War?
I do think that Chamberlain MAY have just been trying to buy time so the British could rearm and stand a chance of facing Germany. There was very little Britain COULD have done militarily at the time of Munich.
Thing is Russians do not claim that USSR was not "responsible". You miss their point. Which is that their hand was forced (not only by Germany, but also) by the Western allies and countries like Poland.
I think Chamberlain was doing both...Buying time AND trying to prevent a European war
Why do you think Chamberlain was trying to rearm and Britain could do little in 1938?
@@jamesbeeching4341 Why do you think Chamberlain was buying time?
The destruction of Czechoslovakia made Hitler much stronger militarily and economically. The Czechs had a big army and were protected by their mountains and well fortified border. The Germans would have suffered big losses if they tried to take them by force. The Czechs also had big industries, which were now in German hands.
The Soviet occupation of Western Ukraine and Belarus in 1939 did the opposite because they prevented the Nazi troops from coming directly to the Soviet border. In 1941 the Germans came really close to Moscow, had they occupied all of Poland in 1939 it's possible that they would have reached Moscow in 1941 and win the war.
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The Soviets and Nazis were allies in all but name… Not really. In a word, “Ploesti”…
Perhaps Putin's point is that each country played a role and should be seen as counter narrative of often ignored factors. Putin of all people, as a Russian, has zero sympathy for Nazi Germany or Stalin. The whole "Nazis were the only reason for ww2" narrative is conveniently simplistic in absolving all other parties for providing the ingredients for 2 world wars. There is no understanding of ww2 without understanding the reasons for ww1 and the unresolved issues following its conclusion. Just as the Soviet perspective isn't 100% right, neither is the British one mate. Blocking Germany from oil and gas markets while enriching yourself from a worldwide empire and expecting to control mainland Europe from an island would eventually run into 'problems' like ww1 and ww2. Sometimes, you end up with the neighbours you deserve.. or at least helped create. Perhaps that best summarises Putin's point, and he knows a lot about hostile neighbours the USSR helped create.
@maciejl20 The only problem - what they took was theirs, it was given to them by the Treaty of Versailles (that very treaty that reestablished Poland!), remenber the Curzon line? This same treaty proclaimed Danzig a "free" not a "Polish" city, did Poland ever cared? And at the time they took back what was theirs, Poland was no more - the brave and noble Polish government had fled the country, betraying its fighting army and its people! Unfortunately the present Poland government is the same slow learner - it took Germany half a century to get Eastern Germany back, do they realy believe they will dver forget about Eastern Prussia (the Eastern Prussia that Stalin gave to Poland!)?
Yeah, it wasn't as simple as it's presented. Like uhh, there's nazi germany, clearly pushing anti-soviet narrative, and it starts ww2. But at the same time Britain and (to a lesser extent) France are not only feeding him, but also are responsible for the bordergore and humiliation of Germany (which is kinda why Hitler is here), and US were there too. At the same time the Soviets are scary because they're anticapitalists and fought a bloody civil war, which was caused by a lot of things, but fired mostly because of the ww1 and the whites rebelling against the bolshevik coup.
That's already covers most of the big players on the world stage, and we didn't even touched the "but wait, who started ww1?" Thingy
I find your interpretation of Putin's words rather confusing. In 5:35 you say that if Putin thinks that Poland brought about its own destruction, it means he thinks Poland caused WW2 by "forcing Germany to go to war". At the same time, the quotes you mention clearly state that "It was naive to believe that Hitler, once done with Czechoslovakia, would not make any territorial claims" (4:20) and that the activities of the Polish leadership impeded the formation of the alliance between Britain, France, and the USSR (4:40). He's saying that Hitler would inevitably start the war, thus taking the blame for causing it, but Poland is responsible for preventing an effective response to it from allies due to its own ambition. I think this is the argument you should be addressing, rather than the argument you first built up and then dismantled.
It's difficult to determine how TIK is able to twist Putin's remarks into anything like 'Hitler is innocent'.
I'd say that TIK has some cognitive dissonance issues here.
Britain also has a non agression pact with Nazi Germany . The Anglo German agreement and angli German Naval agreement.
Ah yes the guy who broke the Budapest memorandum and both Minsk agreements wants to talk about Poland.
The actions of Putin are based on his weird (and false) opinions on history.
This video is actually great in understanding Putin's delusional ideas that caused this war
Ukraine is the one that signed the Minsk Agreements and never acted upon them for 8 years...
@@PavelAVasilevich The Donbas rebels funded, supported and coordinated by the Russian intelligence neither held to the Misnk Agreements either. They fully intended to separate and continue the division between east and west Ukraine for the benefit of creating a casus belli for Russia to act out on later. The whole conflict is marred with distortions from the Russian side.
As a result of the collapse of 3 empires at the end of WWI, there were a number of border wars in 1919 -1920 between the new european states. Poland fought, the Ukraine, Bolshevik Russia, Czechoslovakia and Lithuania. Hungary and Romania also had broder conflicts. From the Polish perspective, their territory was once part of the German and Russian Empires and as of 1933, they had a true devil on either side of their border. Each one wanting to reclaim territory lost. Alliance with either could backfire. Britain and France had no tutorial claims on Polish territory. The non-aggression pact between Germany and the Soviet Union was to regain territory lost at the end of WWI. Stalin could have supported Poland, as he did the Spanish Republicans, as a proxy with aid, against Nazi Germany. Which is what the Soviets did with eastern Europe after WWII.
If Poland had 'rolled over' and given in to all of Hitler's territorial demands in 1939, I suppose that Poland would have been no better of the Czechoslovakia was the year before. The land west of the Soviet Union's 1939 border is much more agriculturally productive than the lands east of the Volga river. They are also more industrialized. Socialist Imperialism is correct.
Minor correction: the most fertile land in the Soviet Union, the Ferghana Valley, was technically east of the Volga. In 1939 productivity per unit of labor was indeed at stone age levels, but output per acre was and is far above anything possible in Eastern Europe.
@@nvo7024 That is in Tajikistan. What about that total agriculture out put of the Ukraine or Georgia? Lemons can be grown in Georgia. I can not doubt the value of the Ferghana Valley, but Moldova and Romania are valuable.
@@markyoung950 Not Tajikistan alone, but also Uzbekistan and Kyrghyzstan; most of its territories was carved up for Uzbekistan. You are certainly correct about Romania/Moldova/Bessarabia, but not Georgia. Georgia is mostly mountains, there's no place for large-scale agriculture. Their key produce (other than wine and tea) is perishable; back in the 1939 it could not be physically delivered up north. Canned, perhaps; but Stalin needed trainloads of staple fruit, not canned tangerines.
woops, staple food not fruit.
@@nvo7024 foot note - in Stalin and the Scientists, Stalin liked horticulture and kept green houses which included Lemons.
From this interest he had opinions about botany and biology. This is one reasion he backed Neo-Lemarckianism. He belived it possible to breed lemon trees that could grow in the arctic
The ultimate "she was asking for it" argument
She was showing her sexy little Danzig Corridor! How could I resist.
@@icmull lmao
@@icmull 😏
I Think yall are missing the point Putin tried to make, that because of Poland’s active attempts to undermine a common security system they enabled their own downfall