@@mikeanglada742 Thanks,...you know what Spike Taterman and Mike Anglada. I'm going to do a video today in about 20 min's about slapping and how I got started. Real talk. I hope you guys see this video. Thanks fellah's. :D
Musicfreak,... I prefer the"RAY4". It just sounds stronger than "RAY34". My first bass ever was a 77' Fender jazz. String axe. I'm use to the strong presence, plus I'm from "PHILLY!". RAISED ON FUNK, GOSPEL FUNK, JAZZ FUNK, SLOW FUNK. Everything is "FUNK!". Lol!
You are beasting on any bass you play. Awesome Brother. I'm from right across the bridge in Camden. Mainly on the gospel scene but appreciate all grooves. I have a Squire Fender jazz 4 string I think it's a 1988, I have in Alvarez 6 string bass and I just Bought an Ibanez GSR205 5 string. I bought these bases in the past because I always wanted to have a bass available whenever I had a gospel church gig and my bass player was without his axe. I am primarily a keyboard Player and just decided To dust off these basses and learn how to play. Now all I need to do is learn from the master , do you ever give online lessons? Or is there anyone You would refer? Those cats at Guitar Center can't play anything like you do lol . At any rate I really enjoy your videos bro and keep doing these demo videos even though you make it hard to choose the right bays because you play so well all of them. Peace brother. 🎵🎹🎵🎹🎶
11coopbass Cooper well my friend......I want to learn how to play.....I've been researching basses and I really think the ray34 is worth the money.....I thought it had a cleaner sound......I really enjoyed your playing.....👍👍👍👍
@@christophermay4998 i think the ray 34 sounded cleaner because of it had less bass, but if i where you i would just get the 300 dollar bass and put some Seymour Duncan's or bartolinis in it
@@rudolphdrasler2697 Its like every low priced instrument. Some will be real good, some mediocre ones, and some turds. You have to put in some time and check some basses out (or have to be lucky for the first shot) to find a "real good one". Even the Ray 34 series has better and not so good pieces. The high end series of MusicMan StingRay basses has lots of good ones- and some that are stellar.
I have had my SUB Ray4 for a little over a year. I just love it! It's got so much attitude and punch and growl, it's wonderful. It plays easy too. I switched out the hardware and bridge on mine and now it's even better. I couldn't be happier. I will recommend the Ray4 always.
These Sub 4 's are really packing some firepower, the more I hear them, the more impressed I am. They strike me as the instrument you can buy on a budget, improve the rough bits over time either by DIY or upgrade (still with budget in mind) and have a very nice and bespoke instrument at the end of the whole exercise. No bad thing in my book.
Jay,...Sorry about the late, late response. Yes,...once you plug into a mixing board, all bets are off. You can set your tone you want. Basically, you don't have to actually have a real stingray to get that "1976 TO 1981 stingray sound. The mixing board can help you get as close a possible. Ya' feel me? : D
Mykl,...glad that I have inspired somebody. Thanks for the comment. I highly appreciate it. I learned by lifting the needle off of a (get this), a "SANYO" combo stereo turntable. By raising a turntable needle up every (2) to (3) bars/measures. Also, my brother and a friend "DON TYSON". Larry Graham from Graham Central Station, Foxy, Twenty Nine featuring Lenny White. Sergio Mendez & Brazil 77, Louis Johnson, Gary Grainger, Yutaka(FREDDIE WASHINGTON), church bass playing, Ray Parker, Jr, Jaco, Stanley Clark, Will Lee( Spyra Gyro), Anthony Jackson (The O'Jays), Danny Wilson (JEFF Lorber Fusion- back in the day), The Yellow Jackets, etc. 😁
Yep! I learned the same way too! Hear a funky bassline on the radio 1977-1982...go buy the 45 record, keep playing it til you learn the changes! Then call your lil brother in once you got it down pat so he praise your funky self!
Thanks so much for this video. After 40 years of playing, an accident has forced me to become a lefty. I have found the search for lefty basses to very tough. Looking to add a bass for travel and these are the choices in front of me. Your video was perfect. Many thanks
Noah my man,...thanks. I really need to do more video's soon. I've been working so much,....I'm a tractor trailer driver. I go to NY about 6 days a week. Sunday's are usually my rest time, I'll find some way to post something just for kicks. You're not the only person who has been asking me to do more video's. I'll see what I can come up with today. I've actually been thinking of a video to make just today. Yes, it crossed my mind today. Thank you my man. I highly appreciate you. Now, you got me really thinking of putting something together. Thanks, Coop' Bass "4" Life. :D
The more expensive bass DOES seem to play better, and I'm sure the extra EQ control makes the array of sound possibilities more subtle and versatile. But the SUB will certainly get the job done in most applications. Both quite nice!
Frodohotep,...sorry about this late, late response. Yes, the SUB sure would get the job done. I totally agree. I like the SUB sound a little better. It just seems stronger to me. : D
Renatokun,...I just replied to a guy on here noahmattie. I work a lot on the road. Tractor trailer driver. NY about 6 days a week. Just today I was thinking of making a new video. I think by you guys asking to do one. I think I am going to find some parts and tell one of my secrets to you guys. I always my friends to save money for the "COST EFFECTIVE" way to keep your basses instead of buying that "EXPENSIVE" bass, that sets you back a lot of months. Thanks for such kind word my friend. I highly appreciate it. Coop' Bass "4" Life. 🙂
I have that exact same Ray4 and absolutely love it. I have friends that have the Music Man Stingray and they always wanna play my Sub. I see no real difference in tone or feel at all.
James,...I'm so sorry about the late, late, late, late, late, late response. Well, if you ever get a chance to play a "REAL" 70's music man stingray, to the early 80's. You'll change your mind about theses "CHINESE" replica's. A real 1976 to 1981 stingray bass is a "KILLAH!!!!. Believe that,...man! : D
What a great video! That's some jam too. I picked up a sub4, getting back into bass after a number of years in school. I'm on a bit of a budget and I couldn't believe how well the sub4 plays and sounds at that price point. Not a lot of companies making this quality for this price, that's for sure.
Zeropaun,... I thought I was the only one who realized that! The Ray4 seems stronger and a lot darker than the Ray34, which I like the more heavier tone. ☺
Wow! Just starting out on bass, reviewing the options of something decent but not too expensive. I think I’m sold - SUB 4 clearly has everything I need now, and for years to come! Played guitar for 30 years and I now value simplicity - single humbucker on these Stingrays seems to get the job done 👍🏻.
I thought that the second bass was a beast especially with the crisp sound and smoother tones but not enough to justify such a big price difference .....I'll take the first bass even though I like the second one a little more and keep the extra cash lol
keedy,...sorry about the late response. As you know. Both basses can get elected in the purchasing department. Lol! "THAT'S RIGHT!" Cost effective instruments can get the job done as well. Lol! : D
Hey man you are great dude and really helped put confidence in my purchase of the Ray4. Was worried i didn't spend enough and quality wouldnt be there but i'm hearing so many good things. And seeing that slap-pop... damn dude youre fire. Peace from the North-East
xTJBX,...Thank you so much. Glad I could help, help you make a decision. These "COST EFFECTIVE" stingrays are a "BEAST!" I have mine hanging on the wall, waiting to get played some day soon. Lol!
Man I came expecting to find a review filled with useless comparisons, but you just let the music do the talking. I appreciate this, I came for the review and ended up finding a funky jam to groove to. Thanks!
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Finally, somebody did a demo playing these basses the way some of us WANT to hear them played. You're a killer bassist. Thanks for showing how they CAN sound. I see no reason not to scoop up a Ray4.
Yeah Zeropaun,... that's exactly it. That real "STINGRAY" sound. Hey,...you might be familiar with Jeff Lorber. Well, if you listen to the 1st generation of "THE JEFF LORBER FUSION", Danny Wilson was his bass player. Check our the "REAL" sound of "HOW A MUSICMAN STINGRAY" should be really played. I know everybody give it to "LOUIS JOHNSON. But check "DANNY WILSON" wuth "JEFF LORBER FUSION". BACK IN THE LATE 70's. 😊
You are very correct Danny Wilson was the guy for the ultimate music man sound and I was lucky to see him as a young kid and that was the very reason for me to pickup a stingray! I wonder if he is still around?
I have the SUB and i've tried the Ray 34 and honestly I prefer my SUB not just because I own it but because the feel of it, even compared to some actual Stingrays mine feels better in the hand. With some electronics upgrades it will sound even better and I would still be well under the $850 mark let alone the $1,200 mark of a real Stingray.
Oh my!! That is simply some of the best slap bass I’ve ever heard, seriously I’m blown away dude! Keep on being funky and best wishes from the UK 😎👌🏼🇬🇧🇺🇸
Henry Cortez,..."COOP'!" I'm so sorry about the late, late, late, late response. Thank you. I highly appreciate it. Yes, the manufacturer of these cost effective Chinese instruments are stunning these days. They save you a heck of a lot of money, and you get the same tone in some of these "COST EFFECTIVE" instruments. : D
Given that I just got over Covid, I’m glad that I was here to get your response! Fortunately it really wasn’t that bad for me! Thanks the response just the same COOP!!! Keep on killing it!
K M,...why thank you so much. I highly appreciate it boss. I'm still learning as you are. I need help to in my playing. I'm also just having some fun playing bass whenever I can. Thanks againl . :D
@@KM-px8cs Aaaah! Ok! Now you know some bass companies will make you a "SPECIAL" customized bass to fit your hands. USA models come at a very "HIGH" price. The "CHINESE" come at a very low price. The choice is yours, if you do decide to have you a custom made bass, made. You might want to give that some thought. :D
Dude you are sick with the thump game on the bass Sir,, I'm a fan,,I'm a drummer and just picked up the Sub ray 4 and got my strings changed to the Diadorio flat wound. I truly aspire to play like that so if you could I'm quite sure like me other beginner's out there would really like for you to do another video and technique on slap bass .
I'm 4 years late and I'm so sorry about that. A lot has happened in 4 years with me. Wife passed away 4 years ago, sister passed 3 years ago, 2 nephews passed away 1-5 years ago and the other 3 years ago. It's been a mess. Now, life goes on, oh wait! My niece passed away about 3 months ago. So, one of my sister and her 2 children, that whole family are deceased. They are long gone. Hey, it happens. So, I think it time for me to get back up on the video "HORSE" and start riding again. Lol! I also caught that "COVID" thingy too. Thanks for asking me to do so,...sorry about the late, late, late, late response. : D
I came here looking for a new bass and now I'm thinking I need a new bass technique altogether. Great playing man!!!! I wish I could be as good as you someday
You can,...all you have to do is, get you one of those "CHEAT" machines. Sabine has this little device that slows down the riff that you want to learn and it keeps it in the key that the original riff is, once you slow it down without losing its pitch. Now, here's the "SECRET" to really doing what you see me doing in this video. First, you have to "DISCIPLINE" yourself. Then,... listen to the riff that you want to learn and record it to the device, play it back over and over and over until you can't take it anymore, (lol!). Now, here's the "KEY" Ready? DO THE RIFF "SLOWLY and CORRECTLY". "SLOWLY AND CORRECTLY" "NOTE FOR NOTE" "EVERY LITTLE DETAIL YOU HEAR IN THAT RIFF!!!!!!!!" You have to "MEMIC" that riff to the "T!!!!" As the riff gets easier for you, then you can speed it up. Speed it up until you get the "ORIGINAL" riff speed under your fingers and from there you can take flight. That it. : D
I've just been looking into both of these basses...but after this video I could easily pull up a stool and watch you play just to learn your technique!! Very nice...just subscribed!
Love both basses and your playing was truly amazing! Thinking of getting a Sub 4 or Squier vintage jazz. This video has me leaning sterling now. Thanks Coop. You rock.
I find it interesting that the Sub Ray Four is active and affordable. I'm a finger player and a pick player. I'm currently learning slap on my own. But I don't think I can get that good at slap. So I want an active bass to get a higher low end sound. I currently have a short scale classic vibe Jaguar.
You can do better than me. Just practice slowly and correctly. That's the name of the game. Oh, and be patient with it. Take your time. Speed will come. : D
Just slap all that you know and pull the note to everyday plus finger your bass as well. You will start to combine all into your slap. Playing like this is all you know being played which will become your bass solo. That's what you are watching. Remember to pull your notes all day to develop that style and thumb the note some days plus finger the note. Eventually you will play all 3 in your style in your slap playing.
Jim Atyeo,...hey, thanks for the comment. I chase the (1) everytime I play. You know. (1) (2) (3) (4). I just want to make it back to the (1), as clean and quickly as possible. Also, just trying to have some fun. Lol!
Nice sounding demo of this bass, I had seen this video several times yes I love this Sterling by Musicman bass both of them got great clean sound. Master the instrument is my advice to the younger folks, don't worry about the best instrument. That's why these basses come in handy incase you may not want to play bass anymore they are not that expensive.
Ouch! Aaren. This is so far from the date you pinched me on this. I am so sorry about the late, late, late, late, late, late response. Heck, I hope that you are still around and that everything is going well with you and your family. Sheeeesh! I'm messed up. Much respect Aaren. Much respect. : D
@@11coopbasscooper55 LOL No problem Coop! Im still here everything is fine. I apprrciate the hit back. Still watching your vids. I have a channel also. Take a look if you could when you get a chance.
I like the Ray4, its got a fat sound, the sound is almost a cross between the Sabre & a Stingray! The body even reminds me of the Sabre, a little more narrow than the Stingray body. I've owned all of them and the SUB has a great sound and is very comfortable to play. Btw, you sound good!
Sir Rick Barnes,...I am so sorry about the late, late, late, late response. You're probably laughing right now. Lol! Sabre and a Stingray huh? I have to look at them together. You might be right. All of them,...wow! You're a Stingray believer. That's great! Yes,...the S.U.B do sound stronger. Yes it is very comfortable to play. I totally agree with you. Oh thank my friend for the comment. Thank you. : D
@@11coopbasscooper55 no worries, yes, i was laughing because i forgot about the post and had to revisit it. I'm still thumpin' the SUB, hope you are doing well, take care, & remember the funk!
Why thanks, Kev. I still play, just haven't been uploading video's. I'm a tractor and trailer driver. Hours of driving and I'm not a young buck anymore. I also caught the "COVID" thingy. Lol! I'll do something soon. Thanks for your inspiration. : D
As a guitar player who wanted to play bass ive tried a Squier Jazz, Esp D5, Ibanez SR305, and a Sterling Sub. The Sub felt and sounded best to me. They are impressive instruments.
Wait! Hold up Dr. Doug. I'm so late, I might as well be absent. I saw the "LEGACY" but never got around to it. Now the pandemic is on our shoulders. I can't go to any GUITAR CENTERS in my area due to closing for now. I know it's the "BOMB!!!!" Ouch! I'm sitting here texting and imagining me with (3) of those combo at a gig! Killah, I do believe. Lol! Thanks for the info bruddah! : D
Sean my man. Those "WARWICKS" are the very "WATERED DOWN" versions. I'll do a video with a real "WARWICK" against the "WATER DOWN" one. Your gonna be amazed. 😉
FYI I just bought a SLO Classic from Guitar Center. These are made in Indonesia. I think the quality is better than Chinese Sterlings. Plus the neck on it is just like my 2008 MIM JAZZ. FASSSSSST!!!!!!!
Hey sorry about the late, late response. Well, the "SLO" special have dual "ACTIVE" pickups and the "NECK" is slimmer, plus the body is a "SMALLER" stingray body. That's it. It's like an old Fender jazz bass and some of the newer jazz basses. They made the necks slimmer, especially at the nut. That's about it. If you have small hands, the slimmer neck is good for you. Unlike me, I have long and big hands. A wider neck is very good for me. A slimmer neck is easier to get around. Yes, it would be a faster neck. I can agree with you on that. : D
I sold my sub and bought a classic dual h used. I found for me that with my sub the mids and highs were sometimes unpleasant and you would of course then fiddle and it would eventually sound great. I think a sub base used is a great bargain buy! And I thought that new sterling here sounded pretty great! Cool vid!
Thanks Ken,...sorry about the late, late, late response. Hey, all instruments are good to some point. Even the new up to date versions basses have issues. I can't complain. It is a very good used "COST EFFECTIVE" bass for the money. You are so correct. I agree. : D
Danny my man. Thanks dude. It's the closet door knob thingy. That's where all that speed comes from. 30 minutes a day for about (1) year. Unconsciously doing it. It's crazy. : D
That was in the pocket! U made both sing! Better equipment does help but at the end of the day its about the skill behind the instrument, not the instrument itself. I enjoyed the playing, slap on!
Jamie, so sorry about the late, late response. A lot has been going on lately. I'm a tractor and trailer driver. Family members passing, I caught that "COVID" thingy too. It's been a mess. Thanks for the comment. I highly appreciate it. I'm gonna do something soon. : D
@@11coopbasscooper55 no problem! Life happens! I was looking at both those bases to possibly purchase awhile back but ended up doing a Marcus Miller Sire V3 instead. Awesome bass for the money. Either way, glad u made it past the VID!
Man!!!!! You are good!!!! I feel like packing my bass up after that!!! But then the inspiration kicked in!!! So, laterz!! I gotta go practice!!!!🎶🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🎶😁👍🏾
As someone who's only played guitars and trying a bass for the the fist time I'd choose the SUB 4 I didn't know anything about guitars when I started all I knew were names I'd seen on instruments that my favorite bands used that being said Fender Mexican Strat because Americans were way to expensive and the Squire's felt cheap but I've learned you can find a decent instrument on a budget so if it sounds right and feels right 300 bucks for a beginner isn't bad considering I've seen good P basses go for more than that and since this video Sterling has introduced the Ray 24 for 500 bucks that's more than I paid for my first Mexican Stratocaster
Well, the ray has a "PASSIVE" bass pickup. While the ray34 has an "ACTIVE" bass pickup. The hardware on the 4 is thinner in quality, while the 34 hardware is thicker in quality. The bridges are different. Materials are different as well. Probably, the preamps are different too. The ray34 woods are probably different and comes with a veneer top as well. So with that being said; you will get a different tone from both basses. Hope the helps answer your question. : D
Yes,...the SUB 5 is also a beast. Well,...in my opinion. It's kind of close. I'm so sorry about the late, late, late, response as well. Thank you so much. : D
Great demonstration of your skill! Seems to me that for slapping probably the cheaper model is even better. I am sure plucking the 34 would be my choice...
Glad you like what your ears are absorbing for your taste. That's a good thing for you and you only. I don't knock what others like. (smiles). Through a "GK!" MB115 COMBO. That is it for this video. Nothing else. Everything is "FLAT" on the basses and the bass combo amp. : D
I'm just checking this video out. That SUB sounded tight for the price, but you could really tell the difference when you picked up that Ray 34. Coop you're a straight beast when it comes to that Funk baby "Keep Funk Alive"
1st Sir Shelton Gee. I highly appreciate you checking out the video's. Yes,...that SUB is a killer for the price. I totally agree with you on that. Thank you for such kind words. I will try and do my best to help keep funk alive. Thank you so much. Glad I can make you feel good, bruddah! : D
I sold my Ray 34 for a SUB, now very happy, couldn't get on with the 3 band EQ, didn't sound Stringray to me. The 34 was fizzy and clanky, but great build quality.
It's the "HARDWARE" and the "BRIDGE" and the "PICKUP". The ray 4 has a "PASSIVE" pickup and the hardware is probably not a "THICK" in material. The woods should play a part in the "TONE" as well. The ray34 has an "ACTIVE" pickup. Bassically, Sterling is saying; the ray34 can get you real close to the "ORIGINAL" STINGRAY'S tone. So, you're gonna have to the pay that "CLOSE" to the original sound "PRICE". :D
@@hdrjunkie Both have a 9v battery. That's only because the basses have an onboard preamp inside the body. The pickups themselves have different internal parts. That makes the sound difference.
I've noticed on most of these bass demos when the player starts to slap, it's 99% of the time in the key of E. Why? Because most of the slapping is melodic to the open E string. Now what would be a feat is to slap in G or F# for your demo. You do play the slap style well. We all have our niche that we play. Thank you for doing a demo on this great bass.
You can slap in any Key just slap f# on E string pull A on g string pull E on d string to f# note on d string and same on A string play B to C# same as E to f# notation you did on D string. It's best that you start with a double tap on the first F# and then pull the A. Now do this up and down the neck. You mentioned G as well, well it's your next move up the neck. You can inbox me on my FB page for help anytime. You will have a very good teacher of what is there on the bass
That B to C# on A string can have a open A played before them by using the open A on that string. Once you have learned now place all notes after the double tap F# in any direction you will create your slap style in any key
Every musical chord is on the bass and is very simple to do keeping in mind where the minus root is and the 5 of your chord of which I don't use the 5 but one time in a chord and that is the power 5 chord.
Aside from the workmanship (aesthetic value) of the Ray 34, I can't justify the extra five hundred or six hundred bucks. SUB Ray 4 for me. Good review.
Sorry about the late response. I feel ya' bro. It's basically a taste thing. Also, it's how well you "PLAY". That to me, is the real answer to this instrument thing. : D
I Prefer the 34. The pick up does not distort when hitting the bottom E as it did on the the Ray 4. I think it also depends on the music. I think the Ray 4 would be better on heavy rock/metal music. The Ray 34 I think is more versatile with better pick up and tone controls. This is what I think justifies the price difference. However I still think the Ray 4 is a fantastic bass for the price and it is much better than some of the more expensive models.
I normally hate slap.....but this guy is so extraordinarily percussive with his right hand I found it fascinating. His left hand was very inventive too, great playing. There was so little in the sound too. The Ray34 likely had a slightly more quality sound.....but NOTHING that an audience would hear, that is a fact!
Dr. Keith,...thank you my friend and you are so right. The audience wouldn't hear a difference. Now, can you pass that on to others in this video chat? Lol!
Jemero,...lol! I wish I was the man! Graham, Wooten, Miller, Caron, Nitti, Jay Tee, Grainger, "DANNY WILSON" from Jeff Lorber Fusion, back in 1979, just to name a few. These are the "CAT'S!" that I learned from. ☺
Paul,...it's what sound good to you. Forget what I believe. Forget what everyone else think. It's a "PAUL" thing. That's how you have to look at it. : D
I have to respect your opinion. I like "GK"s" . You might like "AMPEG, MARKBASS, ACOUSTIC, SWR, EDEN, AVATAR, CRATE, MESA BOOGIE, etc. "GK!" is me. I definitely respect you on that choice of yours. Also, on what type of music you like. I'm a "JAZZ" fusion guy to heart really. Funk is in my bones too. : D
I stopped caring about comparing basses about 2 seconds after you started playing..brother, you've got that slap pop funk DOWN!!! Nice!!
Me too! I'd be willing to venture He's Read this Bass before! :D Most Excellent Skills, Sir...
@@mikeanglada742 Thanks,...you know what Spike Taterman and Mike Anglada. I'm going to do a video today in about 20 min's about slapping and how I got started. Real talk. I hope you guys see this video. Thanks fellah's. :D
What this homie said 🤙🏼
Spike Taterman you got me in the first half ngl 🤣
Me too!!!
Musicfreak,... I prefer the"RAY4". It just sounds stronger than "RAY34". My first bass ever was a 77' Fender jazz. String axe. I'm use to the strong presence, plus I'm from "PHILLY!". RAISED ON FUNK, GOSPEL FUNK, JAZZ FUNK, SLOW FUNK. Everything is "FUNK!". Lol!
Yep. Those Ray 4's sound like Louis Johnson's Original Music Man used on Stomp and Strawberry Letter 23..
You are beasting on any bass you play. Awesome Brother. I'm from right across the bridge in Camden. Mainly on the gospel scene but appreciate all grooves. I have a Squire Fender jazz 4 string I think it's a 1988, I have in Alvarez 6 string bass and I just Bought an Ibanez GSR205 5 string. I bought these bases in the past because I always wanted to have a bass available whenever I had a gospel church gig and my bass player was without his axe. I am primarily a keyboard Player and just decided To dust off these basses and learn how to play. Now all I need to do is learn from the master , do you ever give online lessons? Or is there anyone You would refer? Those cats at Guitar Center can't play anything like you do lol . At any rate I really enjoy your videos bro and keep doing these demo videos even though you make it hard to choose the right bays because you play so well all of them. Peace brother. 🎵🎹🎵🎹🎶
I like the Ray4. That's being honest. ☺
11coopbass Cooper well my friend......I want to learn how to play.....I've been researching basses and I really think the ray34 is worth the money.....I thought it had a cleaner sound......I really enjoyed your playing.....👍👍👍👍
@@christophermay4998 i think the ray 34 sounded cleaner because of it had less bass, but if i where you i would just get the 300 dollar bass and put some Seymour Duncan's or bartolinis in it
That's surprising as the subs are shit instruments according to many people on forums.
Great thumb work. Clearly from the Louis Johnson school of slap bass!
@@rudolphdrasler2697
Its like every low priced instrument. Some will be real good, some mediocre ones, and some turds.
You have to put in some time and check some basses out (or have to be lucky for the first shot) to find a "real good one".
Even the Ray 34 series has better and not so good pieces.
The high end series of MusicMan StingRay basses has lots of good ones- and some that are stellar.
I have had my SUB Ray4 for a little over a year. I just love it! It's got so much attitude and punch and growl, it's wonderful. It plays easy too. I switched out the hardware and bridge on mine and now it's even better. I couldn't be happier. I will recommend the Ray4 always.
Ser Phalanges,...I know,...right! That jawn is "SLAMMIN'!" Lol!
These Sub 4 's are really packing some firepower, the more I hear them, the more impressed I am. They strike me as the instrument you can buy on a budget, improve the rough bits over time either by DIY or upgrade (still with budget in mind) and have a very nice and bespoke instrument at the end of the whole exercise. No bad thing in my book.
Jay,...Sorry about the late, late response. Yes,...once you plug into a mixing board, all bets are off. You can set your tone you want. Basically, you don't have to actually have a real stingray to get that "1976 TO 1981 stingray sound. The mixing board can help you get as close a possible. Ya' feel me? : D
Mykl,...glad that I have inspired somebody. Thanks for the comment. I highly appreciate it. I learned by lifting the needle off of a (get this), a "SANYO" combo stereo turntable. By raising a turntable needle up every (2) to (3) bars/measures. Also, my brother and a friend "DON TYSON". Larry Graham from Graham Central Station, Foxy, Twenty Nine featuring Lenny White. Sergio Mendez & Brazil 77, Louis Johnson, Gary Grainger, Yutaka(FREDDIE WASHINGTON), church bass playing, Ray Parker, Jr, Jaco, Stanley Clark, Will Lee( Spyra Gyro), Anthony Jackson (The O'Jays), Danny Wilson (JEFF Lorber Fusion- back in the day), The Yellow Jackets, etc. 😁
11coopbass Cooper : you're giving away your age with that technique, Brother, lol! I learned the same way!
Yep! I learned the same way too! Hear a funky bassline on the radio 1977-1982...go buy the 45 record, keep playing it til you learn the changes! Then call your lil brother in once you got it down pat so he praise your funky self!
Thanks so much for this video. After 40 years of playing, an accident has forced me to become a lefty. I have found the search for lefty basses to very tough. Looking to add a bass for travel and these are the choices in front of me. Your video was perfect. Many thanks
I can't stand when I see guys like you playing at Guitar Center. It just reinforces the fact that.......
I suck....
GREAT PLAYING and review!!!!!
Watching this while debating buying the ray4. Just have to say your playing was ice cold dude. Absolutely stellar
Noah my man,...thanks. I really need to do more video's soon. I've been working so much,....I'm a tractor trailer driver. I go to NY about 6 days a week. Sunday's are usually my rest time, I'll find some way to post something just for kicks. You're not the only person who has been asking me to do more video's. I'll see what I can come up with today. I've actually been thinking of a video to make just today. Yes, it crossed my mind today. Thank you my man. I highly appreciate you. Now, you got me really thinking of putting something together. Thanks,
Coop'
Bass "4" Life. :D
The more expensive bass DOES seem to play better, and I'm sure the extra EQ control makes the array of sound possibilities more subtle and versatile. But the SUB will certainly get the job done in most applications. Both quite nice!
Frodohotep,...sorry about this late, late response. Yes, the SUB sure would get the job done. I totally agree. I like the SUB sound a little better. It just seems stronger to me. : D
Boss i know this video is 6 years old but you did an amazing job. Keep making more videos. I hope you been well friend.
Renatokun,...I just replied to a guy on here noahmattie. I work a lot on the road. Tractor trailer driver. NY about 6 days a week. Just today I was thinking of making a new video. I think by you guys asking to do one. I think I am going to find some parts and tell one of my secrets to you guys. I always my friends to save money for the "COST EFFECTIVE" way to keep your basses instead of buying that "EXPENSIVE" bass, that sets you back a lot of months. Thanks for such kind word my friend. I highly appreciate it.
Coop'
Bass "4" Life. 🙂
I have that exact same Ray4 and absolutely love it. I have friends that have the Music Man Stingray and they always wanna play my Sub. I see no real difference in tone or feel at all.
James,...I'm so sorry about the late, late, late, late, late, late response. Well, if you ever get a chance to play a "REAL" 70's music man stingray, to the early 80's. You'll change your mind about theses "CHINESE" replica's. A real 1976 to 1981 stingray bass is a "KILLAH!!!!. Believe that,...man! : D
@@11coopbasscooper55 believe me I know. About to upgrade to a 78 Stingray
What a great video! That's some jam too. I picked up a sub4, getting back into bass after a number of years in school. I'm on a bit of a budget and I couldn't believe how well the sub4 plays and sounds at that price point. Not a lot of companies making this quality for this price, that's for sure.
ceramic vs alnico magnets...in my opinion ceramic pickups (SUB) win easily with fat/warmer sound
1:31 sub
4:15 ray34
My first impression as well...
Right! I prefer the StingRays (4 And 5) of the 1990's, they come stock with ceramic pickups - and sound more mighty and punchy.
Ray 4 SUB sounded the best
id prefer the ray34 if it wasn’t so expensive. it had a more classy stingray tone. the sub is definitely a great bass, but i still prefer the ray34
I just bought this ray 4 on internet, i was convinced it sounded very good, btw thanks for the review
It does sound good, it's actually better than the 34!
Seems like the 34 is just a little brighter and hotter than the 4.....your skills really do them justice. Kudos sir.
Sorry about the late, late response. Wiw! So long ago. Yes, 34 is a lot brighter. Thank you for such a nice comment. I highly appreciate it. :D
Differences between series and parallel wired pickups
Zeropaun,... I thought I was the only one who realized that! The Ray4 seems stronger and a lot darker than the Ray34, which I like the more heavier tone. ☺
I think the main factor here is the 2-band EQ, which makes the Ray4 sounds more like the classic Stingray sound than the Ray 34.
This is definitely one of the best bass reviews I have seen. I have my eye on a Ray4 and now I am sold.
Sir William,...Coop' here. I highly appreciate it. I hope you bought one and you are still enjoying it. Thank you, : D
Wow! Just starting out on bass, reviewing the options of something decent but not too expensive. I think I’m sold - SUB 4 clearly has everything I need now, and for years to come! Played guitar for 30 years and I now value simplicity - single humbucker on these Stingrays seems to get the job done 👍🏻.
SUB 4 all the way. : D
Straight rolled on that thing.
Sorry , I forgot that this was a comparison video after you played those sick solo in both basses. Very clean and nice playing
Not a problem. Thank you so much my friend. : D
Dude..... I don't comment ever, but your amazing. I just got the SUB and was kind of weary of my purchase, but that's gone. Keep it real man.
Why thank you my man. I highly appreciate cha'! Yes, keep that bad boy and play it until you can't play it anymore. : D
I thought that the second bass was a beast especially with the crisp sound and smoother tones but not enough to justify such a big price difference .....I'll take the first bass even though I like the second one a little more and keep the extra cash lol
keedy,...sorry about the late response. As you know. Both basses can get elected in the purchasing department. Lol! "THAT'S RIGHT!" Cost effective instruments can get the job done as well. Lol! : D
The SUB ray4 is my first music man type bass and I love the sound, love this bass. Great video!!
Thanks. Yeah! That SUB is no joke! : D
Hey man you are great dude and really helped put confidence in my purchase of the Ray4. Was worried i didn't spend enough and quality wouldnt be there but i'm hearing so many good things. And seeing that slap-pop... damn dude youre fire. Peace from the North-East
xTJBX,...Thank you so much. Glad I could help, help you make a decision. These "COST EFFECTIVE" stingrays are a "BEAST!" I have mine hanging on the wall, waiting to get played some day soon. Lol!
Man I came expecting to find a review filled with useless comparisons, but you just let the music do the talking. I appreciate this, I came for the review and ended up finding a funky jam to groove to. Thanks!
You are so welcome. I highly appreciate it. Glad I can put a smile in your heart. Thank you. : D
Really enjoyed listening to you play. Not many can make a bass sing like that. Thanks for the review.
Sir Peter,...I highly appreciate the comment. So sorry about the late, late response. You are so welcome. :D
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Finally, somebody did a demo playing these basses the way some of us WANT to hear them played. You're a killer bassist. Thanks for showing how they CAN sound.
I see no reason not to scoop up a Ray4.
Yes,...I'm glad that I can help you and your ears make that RAY4 choice. : D
Yeah Zeropaun,... that's exactly it. That real "STINGRAY" sound. Hey,...you might be familiar with Jeff Lorber. Well, if you listen to the 1st generation of "THE JEFF LORBER FUSION", Danny Wilson was his bass player. Check our the "REAL" sound of "HOW A MUSICMAN STINGRAY" should be really played. I know everybody give it to "LOUIS JOHNSON. But check "DANNY WILSON" wuth "JEFF LORBER FUSION". BACK IN THE LATE 70's. 😊
You are very correct Danny Wilson was the guy for the ultimate music man sound and I was lucky to see him as a young kid and that was the very reason for me to pickup a stingray! I wonder if he is still around?
I have the SUB and i've tried the Ray 34 and honestly I prefer my SUB not just because I own it but because the feel of it, even compared to some actual Stingrays mine feels better in the hand. With some electronics upgrades it will sound even better and I would still be well under the $850 mark let alone the $1,200 mark of a real Stingray.
Heh more like 2000 mark! Shit show me a 1200 dollar stingray
Oh my!! That is simply some of the best slap bass I’ve ever heard, seriously I’m blown away dude! Keep on being funky and best wishes from the UK 😎👌🏼🇬🇧🇺🇸
Esoteric,...I highly appreciate cha'. I'm so sorry about the late, late, late response. I try. I try to be my best at what I can do. Thanks. : D
11coopbass Cooper hey dude no worries at all. Wishing you all the best and stay safe in these strange times that we’re living through right now.
Dude!! You kick ass! I actually have both basses. The Ray 4 is my go to bass with the other as my #2. Great guitars!
Henry Cortez,..."COOP'!" I'm so sorry about the late, late, late, late response. Thank you. I highly appreciate it. Yes, the manufacturer of these cost effective Chinese instruments are stunning these days. They save you a heck of a lot of money, and you get the same tone in some of these "COST EFFECTIVE" instruments. : D
Given that I just got over Covid, I’m glad that I was here to get your response! Fortunately it really wasn’t that bad for me! Thanks the response just the same COOP!!! Keep on killing it!
I was more intrigued by your playing than anything else :) you have a new subscriber!
K M,...why thank you so much. I highly appreciate it boss. I'm still learning as you are. I need help to in my playing. I'm also just having some fun playing bass whenever I can. Thanks againl . :D
@@11coopbasscooper55 You're very welcome
@@11coopbasscooper55 Yes it is definitely a learning process, especially when you're a woman playing a bass made for a mens hands like me lol
@@KM-px8cs Aaaah! Ok! Now you know some bass companies will make you a "SPECIAL" customized bass to fit your hands. USA models come at a very "HIGH" price. The "CHINESE" come at a very low price. The choice is yours, if you do decide to have you a custom made bass, made. You might want to give that some thought. :D
Nice demo. Just pulled the trigger and my Ray 4 is on the way. Can’t wait to play some Tower of Power on it with my band.
Thank you my friend. I highly appreciate cha'. Rocco, watch out now. Here comes VGM. LOL!
That GC should cut you a check because you just sold both those basses lol lol lol, whew !!!!
I know, right?! Hey GC,...where's my money? Lol!
Nice comparison with some awesome playing!! I love my SUB Ray 4.
Lt. Low-End,...why thank you, sir! I highly appreciate it. Glad I can make some people smile. I like the S.U.B as well. (smiles).
Dude you are sick with the thump game on the bass Sir,, I'm a fan,,I'm a drummer and just picked up the Sub ray 4 and got my strings changed to the Diadorio flat wound. I truly aspire to play like that so if you could I'm quite sure like me other beginner's out there would really like for you to do another video and technique on slap bass .
I'm 4 years late and I'm so sorry about that. A lot has happened in 4 years with me. Wife passed away 4 years ago, sister passed 3 years ago, 2 nephews passed away 1-5 years ago and the other 3 years ago. It's been a mess. Now, life goes on, oh wait! My niece passed away about 3 months ago. So, one of my sister and her 2 children, that whole family are deceased. They are long gone. Hey, it happens. So, I think it time for me to get back up on the video "HORSE" and start riding again. Lol! I also caught that "COVID" thingy too. Thanks for asking me to do so,...sorry about the late, late, late, late response. : D
I just bought a Ray35 today and this popped up in my suggested videos. My phone is listening haha. Great playing my dude!
Ray35! Got one of those too. Nice axe. Thank you bossman. : D
I came here looking for a new bass and now I'm thinking I need a new bass technique altogether. Great playing man!!!! I wish I could be as good as you someday
You can,...all you have to do is, get you one of those "CHEAT" machines. Sabine has this little device that slows down the riff that you want to learn and it keeps it in the key that the original riff is, once you slow it down without losing its pitch. Now, here's the "SECRET" to really doing what you see me doing in this video. First, you have to "DISCIPLINE" yourself. Then,... listen to the riff that you want to learn and record it to the device, play it back over and over and over until you can't take it anymore, (lol!). Now, here's the "KEY" Ready? DO THE RIFF "SLOWLY and CORRECTLY". "SLOWLY AND CORRECTLY" "NOTE FOR NOTE" "EVERY LITTLE DETAIL YOU HEAR IN THAT RIFF!!!!!!!!" You have to "MEMIC" that riff to the "T!!!!" As the riff gets easier for you, then you can speed it up. Speed it up until you get the "ORIGINAL" riff speed under your fingers and from there you can take flight. That it. : D
That S.U.B is a bad S.O.B. Gonna go find one, thanks. Appreciate the demo and the playing.
Wow! I'm so late I might as well be absent. Lol! I highly appreciate it. Hope that this video helped you out. Thanks.
Great playing and review with not too many words. I like the Ray4, but ended up buying the Ray24CA at $350 a few days ago.
Don H,...thank you. I highly appreciate it. Ray24CA,...$350?!!! Man, you got over, big time!!!! They are some nice "COST EFFECTIVE" instruments. : D
I've just been looking into both of these basses...but after this video I could easily pull up a stool and watch you play just to learn your technique!! Very nice...just subscribed!
Vince Bowling,...glad I can help. Hey, take what you can from my playing. Especially if it helps you to become better. ☺
11coopbass Cooper Thanks for the reply...checking out more of your videos as we speak
Love both basses and your playing was truly amazing! Thinking of getting a Sub 4 or Squier vintage jazz. This video has me leaning sterling now. Thanks Coop. You rock.
I find it interesting that the Sub Ray Four is active and affordable. I'm a finger player and a pick player. I'm currently learning slap on my own. But I don't think I can get that good at slap. So I want an active bass to get a higher low end sound. I currently have a short scale classic vibe Jaguar.
You can do better than me. Just practice slowly and correctly. That's the name of the game. Oh, and be patient with it. Take your time. Speed will come. : D
Just slap all that you know and pull the note to everyday plus finger your bass as well. You will start to combine all into your slap. Playing like this is all you know being played which will become your bass solo. That's what you are watching. Remember to pull your notes all day to develop that style and thumb the note some days plus finger the note. Eventually you will play all 3 in your style in your slap playing.
Coop I think you could make any bass sound good. :) I agree I like the sound better from Ray4.
Jim Atyeo,...hey, thanks for the comment. I chase the (1) everytime I play. You know. (1) (2) (3) (4). I just want to make it back to the (1), as clean and quickly as possible. Also, just trying to have some fun. Lol!
I can see why anyone would fall in love with musicman basses, it has some of the sweet sounds.
Man this dude could play on a plank of wood and still make it sound good
Aaaah! Lol! Thanks. I highly appreciate it. Sorry about the late, late, late response. :D
Nice sounding demo of this bass, I had seen this video several times yes I love this Sterling by Musicman bass both of them got great clean sound. Master the instrument is my advice to the younger folks, don't worry about the best instrument. That's why these basses come in handy incase you may not want to play bass anymore they are not that expensive.
Yes,...you are so right. Get the skills down,...first. Lol!
Hey Coop! Another great review! Once again glad to see you back making videos my friend.
Ouch! Aaren. This is so far from the date you pinched me on this. I am so sorry about the late, late, late, late, late, late response. Heck, I hope that you are still around and that everything is going well with you and your family. Sheeeesh! I'm messed up. Much respect Aaren. Much respect. : D
@@11coopbasscooper55 LOL No problem Coop! Im still here everything is fine. I apprrciate the hit back. Still watching your vids. I have a channel also. Take a look if you could when you get a chance.
@@aarenlockehart9179 Yes,...I sure will check you out,...bruddah! Thanks. : D
@@11coopbasscooper55 No problem, Thanks Coop!
The SUB sounds awesome!!
And you know this,...! :D
Awesome, I ordered the Fiesta Red for $ 254 after your impressive playing. Thanks
There ya' go. Picking yourself up a "LITTLE RED" corvette. Sorry about the late response. : D
I’ve had my eye on that sub for some time now it really sounds good for the price.
Yes,...indeed. If you don't have one ready. Get you one, you can't go wrong. : D
I like the Ray4, its got a fat sound, the sound is almost a cross between the Sabre & a Stingray! The body even reminds me of the Sabre, a little more narrow than the Stingray body. I've owned all of them and the SUB has a great sound and is very comfortable to play. Btw, you sound good!
Sir Rick Barnes,...I am so sorry about the late, late, late, late response. You're probably laughing right now. Lol! Sabre and a Stingray huh? I have to look at them together. You might be right. All of them,...wow! You're a Stingray believer. That's great! Yes,...the S.U.B do sound stronger. Yes it is very comfortable to play. I totally agree with you. Oh thank my friend for the comment. Thank you. : D
@@11coopbasscooper55 no worries, yes, i was laughing because i forgot about the post and had to revisit it. I'm still thumpin' the SUB, hope you are doing well, take care, & remember the funk!
Damn dude I thoroughly enjoyed that. Keep playing man
Why thanks, Kev. I still play, just haven't been uploading video's. I'm a tractor and trailer driver. Hours of driving and I'm not a young buck anymore. I also caught the "COVID" thingy. Lol! I'll do something soon. Thanks for your inspiration. : D
As a guitar player who wanted to play bass ive tried a Squier Jazz, Esp D5, Ibanez SR305, and a Sterling Sub. The Sub felt and sounded best to me. They are impressive instruments.
Please teach me...
JediMaster Bass Slapper..
🙉😮😮😃😃🎸
nice! coop, you need to check out the new GK legacy 115 combo. Gigging w/ mine this weekend 1st time. Sounds KILLER in studio.
Wait! Hold up Dr. Doug. I'm so late, I might as well be absent. I saw the "LEGACY" but never got around to it. Now the pandemic is on our shoulders. I can't go to any GUITAR CENTERS in my area due to closing for now. I know it's the "BOMB!!!!" Ouch! I'm sitting here texting and imagining me with (3) of those combo at a gig! Killah, I do believe. Lol! Thanks for the info bruddah! : D
Maaan, your hands are unstopable! )
Insane slap technique! )
Thanks for the test, I like Ray4 sound better too
Ive ordered a ray 4. Also ordered a Seymour Duncan pre amp and pickup. Can’t wait.
people's jaws must've been dropping.. damn that was some fantastic playing
Aaaaaah! Thanks Big Bruce. : D
Holy smokes you are talented! 😎 Ray4 sounds incredible too. Cheers!
Thank you. I highly appreciate it. Yes, the RAY 4 is a cost effective killer. I totally agree. Thanks again. : D
MrDangard,...yes it is. Clearer and cleaner. The Ray4 is a little stronger.
Of all the dudes on TH-cam I'm watching to learn slap I like your style best.
Much respect Justin O. I highly appreciate you bruh. Thanks. And so sorry about the late response. : D
Before I answer,... I have to let you know that a (2) band eq is a lot stronger than a (3) band eq.
Dang that thumb bro. Mad props to you!!!
Thanks again. Lol!
Funk! Yeah! Love my Musicman Basses! Good Reveiw!
Derrick Harriott, Jr. I hear you loud and clear! MUSICMAN basses are tight. in their own right.
I used to rock the Yamaha RBX until I tried the Sterling S.U.B. Ray4 at Guitar Center & bought it. Best bass I've ever played & owned for only $150
Idk if he changed tone or changed how he plays when he plays ray34. sounds kinda clearer but underpowered
Well,...I had both bass set flat. This way nobody can say; I had one's tone set different from the other. : D
Men your videos are very cool an useful to the bassist 👍
So sorry for the late response. Thank you Joel. I highly appreciate it. : D
Sean my man. Those "WARWICKS" are the very "WATERED DOWN" versions. I'll do a video with a real "WARWICK" against the "WATER DOWN" one. Your gonna be amazed. 😉
You rock dude. Thanks for making and posting this video \m/
Sir Shane,...you are so welcome my man. I highly appreciate it. I just be having fun on all of my basses. Take care my man. Thank you. : D
FYI I just bought a SLO Classic from Guitar Center. These are made in Indonesia. I think the quality is better than Chinese Sterlings. Plus the neck on it is just like my 2008 MIM JAZZ. FASSSSSST!!!!!!!
Hey sorry about the late, late response. Well, the "SLO" special have dual "ACTIVE" pickups and the "NECK" is slimmer, plus the body is a "SMALLER" stingray body. That's it. It's like an old Fender jazz bass and some of the newer jazz basses. They made the necks slimmer, especially at the nut. That's about it. If you have small hands, the slimmer neck is good for you. Unlike me, I have long and big hands. A wider neck is very good for me. A slimmer neck is easier to get around. Yes, it would be a faster neck. I can agree with you on that. : D
I sold my sub and bought a classic dual h used. I found for me that with my sub the mids and highs were sometimes unpleasant and you would of course then fiddle and it would eventually sound great. I think a sub base used is a great bargain buy! And I thought that new sterling here sounded pretty great! Cool vid!
Thanks Ken,...sorry about the late, late, late response. Hey, all instruments are good to some point. Even the new up to date versions basses have issues. I can't complain. It is a very good used "COST EFFECTIVE" bass for the money. You are so correct. I agree. : D
man your thumb is killing!! you makeing that sub sound like million dollar bass.
Danny my man. Thanks dude. It's the closet door knob thingy. That's where all that speed comes from. 30 minutes a day for about (1) year. Unconsciously doing it. It's crazy. : D
That was in the pocket! U made both sing! Better equipment does help but at the end of the day its about the skill behind the instrument, not the instrument itself. I enjoyed the playing, slap on!
Jamie, so sorry about the late, late response. A lot has been going on lately. I'm a tractor and trailer driver. Family members passing, I caught that "COVID" thingy too. It's been a mess. Thanks for the comment. I highly appreciate it. I'm gonna do something soon. : D
@@11coopbasscooper55 no problem! Life happens! I was looking at both those bases to possibly purchase awhile back but ended up doing a Marcus Miller Sire V3 instead. Awesome bass for the money. Either way, glad u made it past the VID!
Man!!!!! You are good!!!! I feel like packing my bass up after that!!! But then the inspiration kicked in!!! So, laterz!! I gotta go practice!!!!🎶🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🎶😁👍🏾
NOW THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKIN' 'BOUT!' See, you my dude right here. Never give up! Keep going, keep going. Yes!!!!!!!!! : D
As someone who's only played guitars and trying a bass for the the fist time I'd choose the SUB 4 I didn't know anything about guitars when I started all I knew were names I'd seen on instruments that my favorite bands used that being said Fender Mexican Strat because Americans were way to expensive and the Squire's felt cheap but I've learned you can find a decent instrument on a budget so if it sounds right and feels right 300 bucks for a beginner isn't bad considering I've seen good P basses go for more than that and since this video Sterling has introduced the Ray 24 for 500 bucks that's more than I paid for my first Mexican Stratocaster
Yeh,...the S.U.B seems a lot stronger and deeper in my opinion. Plus, for the price. Not bad. Not bad at all. : D
Jeezus H Christ what a player! I give up!
Why thank you Dr. Dave. I highly appreciate you,...bossman. So sorry about the late, late, late, response. :D
полезное лобовое столкновение. Если 4 звучит не хуже 34, при такой разнице в цене, то в чём подвох? Может внутренности разные?
Well, the ray has a "PASSIVE" bass pickup. While the ray34 has an "ACTIVE" bass pickup. The hardware on the 4 is thinner in quality, while the 34 hardware is thicker in quality. The bridges are different. Materials are different as well. Probably, the preamps are different too. The ray34 woods are probably different and comes with a veneer top as well. So with that being said; you will get a different tone from both basses. Hope the helps answer your question. : D
@@11coopbasscooper55 👌🖐
Sir Clark,... I know right?! its all good though. Hopefully, this will inspire some people to play bass. 😊
I have the sub 5 string, sounds just like the Ernie ball stingray.man I love your style bro
Yes,...the SUB 5 is also a beast. Well,...in my opinion. It's kind of close. I'm so sorry about the late, late, late, response as well. Thank you so much. : D
Great demonstration of your skill!
Seems to me that for slapping probably the cheaper model is even better.
I am sure plucking the 34 would be my choice...
Thanks. I always say; "IT'S A TASTE THING". It's what you like. : D
Sir James, I remember seeing the Ray34 at one time used for $249.99 here in Pennsylvania. No joke.
I've have the Ray34 for maybe 3 years. I love it, but both sound great! I had to order it being a Lefty! Paid a little over $600.00. Peace!
Hey,...sorry about the late, late, late response. I appreciate your comment. That's not a bad price being that you are a lefty bass player. Thanks.
Ray 34 all day! What amps are you meaning speaker sizes? using? What are the settings on the amp and bass?
Glad you like what your ears are absorbing for your taste. That's a good thing for you and you only. I don't knock what others like. (smiles). Through a "GK!" MB115 COMBO. That is it for this video. Nothing else. Everything is "FLAT" on the basses and the bass combo amp. : D
I'm just checking this video out. That SUB sounded tight for the price, but you could really tell the difference when you picked up that Ray 34. Coop you're a straight beast when it comes to that Funk baby "Keep Funk Alive"
1st Sir Shelton Gee. I highly appreciate you checking out the video's. Yes,...that SUB is a killer for the price. I totally agree with you on that. Thank you for such kind words. I will try and do my best to help keep funk alive. Thank you so much. Glad I can make you feel good, bruddah! : D
The sub ray 4 seems to distort more than the ray34. But I'm gassing for either.
I sold my Ray 34 for a SUB, now very happy, couldn't get on with the 3 band EQ, didn't sound Stringray to me. The 34 was fizzy and clanky, but great build quality.
Martin Edwards,...yeah! (2) band eq's are a lot stronger than (3) band eq's.
The pickup in the sub basses is much hotter than what's in Ray,the sub preamp is mild at best in output.
Wonder how the warwick in back would do against the Ray34
Not too spectacular. Stingrays are in a class by themselves. Real talk. : D
i never could get my gsr 206 to get that sound and i think i see one in the background. im trading it in for one of those now after watching this.
Yes, get rid of that,...Ibanez,...please. Real talk. : D
These both seem like great basses, So how do they justify the price difference? Different woods? Pickups?
It's the "HARDWARE" and the "BRIDGE" and the "PICKUP". The ray 4 has a "PASSIVE" pickup and the hardware is probably not a "THICK" in material. The woods should play a part in the "TONE" as well. The ray34 has an "ACTIVE" pickup. Bassically, Sterling is saying; the ray34 can get you real close to the "ORIGINAL" STINGRAY'S tone. So, you're gonna have to the pay that "CLOSE" to the original sound "PRICE". :D
@@11coopbasscooper55 thanks!
is it the “passive” or the “active” pickups that have the battery?
My SUB Ray 4 has the battery…
@@hdrjunkie Both have a 9v battery. That's only because the basses have an onboard preamp inside the body. The pickups themselves have different internal parts. That makes the sound difference.
@@11coopbasscooper55 AH, ok thanks!
As soon as I heard the part at 7:01 "Castles Made of Sand" by Jimi Hendrix popped into my head. Maybe I'm going crazy but either way it sounds sick!
I was just like a lot of you guys. The only thing is,...I wanted more. I didn't stop until I was satisfied. Now, I am on cruise control. : D
I've noticed on most of these bass demos when the player starts to slap, it's 99% of the time in the key of E. Why? Because most of the slapping is melodic to the open E string. Now what would be a feat is to slap in G or F# for your demo.
You do play the slap style well. We all have our niche that we play. Thank you for doing a demo on this great bass.
You can slap in any Key just slap f# on E string pull A on g string pull E on d string to f# note on d string and same on A string play B to C# same as E to f# notation you did on D string. It's best that you start with a double tap on the first F# and then pull the A. Now do this up and down the neck. You mentioned G as well, well it's your next move up the neck. You can inbox me on my FB page for help anytime. You will have a very good teacher of what is there on the bass
That B to C# on A string can have a open A played before them by using the open A on that string. Once you have learned now place all notes after the double tap F# in any direction you will create your slap style in any key
You can tune your bass F# B E A instead of EADG and slap in F# feel of playing in E
Every musical chord is on the bass and is very simple to do keeping in mind where the minus root is and the 5 of your chord of which I don't use the 5 but one time in a chord and that is the power 5 chord.
Aside from the workmanship (aesthetic value) of the Ray 34, I can't justify the extra five hundred or six hundred bucks. SUB Ray 4 for me. Good review.
Sorry about the late response. I feel ya' bro. It's basically a taste thing. Also, it's how well you "PLAY". That to me, is the real answer to this instrument thing. : D
I Prefer the 34. The pick up does not distort when hitting the bottom E as it did on the the Ray 4. I think it also depends on the music. I think the Ray 4 would be better on heavy rock/metal music. The Ray 34 I think is more versatile with better pick up and tone controls. This is what I think justifies the price difference. However I still think the Ray 4 is a fantastic bass for the price and it is much better than some of the more expensive models.
Yes, it's a taste thing, that's all. : D
I normally hate slap.....but this guy is so extraordinarily percussive with his right hand I found it fascinating. His left hand was very inventive too, great playing. There was so little in the sound too. The Ray34 likely had a slightly more quality sound.....but NOTHING that an audience would hear, that is a fact!
Dr. Keith,...thank you my friend and you are so right. The audience wouldn't hear a difference. Now, can you pass that on to others in this video chat? Lol!
Absolutely awesome chops brother.
Thank you MR. MARTIN. I highly appreciate it. : D
Jemero,...lol! I wish I was the man! Graham, Wooten, Miller, Caron, Nitti, Jay Tee, Grainger, "DANNY WILSON" from Jeff Lorber Fusion, back in 1979, just to name a few. These are the "CAT'S!" that I learned from. ☺
Just go's to show that more expensive doesn't necessarily mean better. The sub Ray sounded to my ears. I have headphones on too.
Paul,...it's what sound good to you. Forget what I believe. Forget what everyone else think. It's a "PAUL" thing. That's how you have to look at it. : D
The amp setting isn't making the most of the tone, but the Ray 34 is obviously superior.
I have to respect your opinion. I like "GK"s" . You might like "AMPEG, MARKBASS, ACOUSTIC, SWR, EDEN, AVATAR, CRATE, MESA BOOGIE, etc. "GK!" is me. I definitely respect you on that choice of yours. Also, on what type of music you like. I'm a "JAZZ" fusion guy to heart really. Funk is in my bones too. : D
Since I don’t have a door knob next to me lol how do I get that wrist speed down.
Do you like "DIRT" bikes. Get you a dirt bike and continue to throttle that gas knob. Same science. Lol!
Damn dude you are one hell of a player!!!!
Aaaaah! Thank you so much Don. I try and I highly appreciate it. I'm just having fun here at my old age. Lol! : D