so, at time he was tested they found small traces of a substance that could not affect his performance. But before he was tested the level of this substance was much higher and could certainly affect his performance.
The first time it was 86 picogramms/milligram and the second it was 76 picogramms/milligram. Just a 10 pico difference. It didn’t affect his energies in matches that’s for sure.
and where is the proof that before that text the level was much higher?? Exactly how and where would be the proof?? Are you An expert of doping texts for stating this? It was much higher than before !!!! 🤔🤔 ah ok, if you say so.......
Yang salah itu siapa? Yang benar siapa? Ada orang mencari kesalahan seseorang untuk uang, bukan mencari kebenaran. Menurut saya. Sinner hanya sebagai korban dalam kejadian ini, bukan pelaku. Janganlah kita menghakimi seseorang tanpa bukti kuat.
This analysis is rather incomplete, and is missing some important points. For example, as you mentioned drug half-life: how do you explain that a second urine test done a week after the first one return pretty much the same results - 76 pg/ml the first one, and 86 pg/ml the second one? Both of these are incredibly low levels, which cannot give you any effect on your performance whatsoever. But most importantly, is it consistent with the administration of a large dose of this drug, or with repeated contact with minuscule traces of the drug over a certain period of time? I would also add that LogP of this drug is ~4 and its molar mass is well below 500 g/mol, hence it is easily absorbed transdermally even in the absence of skin cracks. And that this drug is actually a rather weak AAS, to see an effect in terms of performances you need to take a bucket load of it. Which, ethical considerations aside, for athletes who are tested very frequently, it would be be an incredibly idiotic things to do.
Each of us had a cut in his life multiple times and Cahill said it was a deep 1, it's very annoying and trying to avoid any contact during that time and somehow physio massage for 9 days without protection(elastoplast), guy who gave physio the sprey did not know what contains, physio same case. I presume physio was putting sprey before sleeping or early in the morning, does Sinner got massage after training or before? How many hours drug have to stay on physio skin to have impact on Sinner wound, could he be infected if physio washed his hands, they recall lot of things after 2 3 weeks,like, Sinner asking physio did he treat injury with something, how many days he wear a bandage, who bought, who gave,who didn't look, how many days took massage(9days), interesting because 2nd test was 8 days later, but, can't recall did he wash his hands before touching Sinner's body, lot of questions and i didn't think right 1 were asked
A questo punto bisogna ammettere che Jannik ha un team talmente potente che si è potuto permettere il fior fiore degli specialisti del settore che provengono anche dalla stessa WADA e NADO che uniche potrebbero fare appello al CAS di Losanna entro il 6 settembre…a questo punto, vista la straordinaria solidità è graniticita’ della struttura difensiva credo proprio che , Grazie a Dio, per Jannik sia rimasto solo da dedicarsi a quello che più ama e che ci fa felici…il Tennis…e comunque attenzione: questa potenza economica e capacità di difesa legale non significa che lui sia colpevole ed è stato protetto…no no…ha usato bene i suoi soldi scegliendo chi avrebbe potuto difendere la sua integrità morale e professionale, cosa che purtroppo altri atleti più sfortunati non hanno potuto fare…chiaramente mezzo mondo degli odiatori che non vorranno informarsi e capire questo continueranno ad aprire le fogne nei social come se non ci fosse un domani…ma tant’è…anche Gesù Cristo era odiato
Do you really think no other tests have been done before? Especially after winning the Australian open? Do you really think that in addition to those tests there were no others completely clean?
@@broncoguy4862Yes, but this has nothing to do with what I wrote. I was responding to the fact that in the video it is said that the small amount can depend on a calculation made by sinner based on when the tests are done
My guess is that the athletes knowingly or staff knowingly use this cream for marginal gains, and can blame a positive test result on the cream that is readily available in Italy, and then can blame staff, thus avoiding a ban if good lawyers are imployed...lets have tournament bans for anyone testing positive regardless whos fault it is, let the player come back after say 3 tournaments, strip the player of points from the previous 3 tournaments, then have to pass a test to come back. No appeals just be forced to forego 3 tournaments what ever level the player is at.
I watch Sinner played and if one can recall whike he was playing he was sick and was vomiting. Since lately he looks more muscular too. I don't know if he did it did not but you cannot have two rules and someone should appeal this decision. So unfair to other players.. Smh. God does not like UGLY.
It will not work as u said , cause atp players took drug test every month minimum and sometime several times during an event so its imposible to hide banned substance
Excellent insight Sklizo! I don’t trust Sinner or Italians in general so I’m inclined to believe he’s full of it. Love your stance on punishing the player as ultimately the responsibility falls on him. Good luck and stay clean!
@@GhostofGerulaitis If you read the report, unfortunately, Battaglino failed to give a clear explanation about how the Clobestol went in his body, that is the main difference. Maybe check the case of Gabriel da Silva Santos and if you want this study about cross contamination with Clobestol "Incidental Clostebol Contamination in Athletes after Sexual Intercourse".
Hardly, the amount of steroid would have made a difference to performance and the rules are not just applied as blanket rules like Kyrgios thinks, they are applied in light of the circumstances. Tennis players are the last people to give their opinion about the matter they are not educated properly, leave it to the lawyers !
Watch until the end of the video! I explain how even that small amount could have indicated use beforehand that had not completely exited his system. I want to believe him but we must also acknowledge the possibility of malicious intent.
There shouldn't be drug testing at all in tennis. The injuries sustained from playing the crazy schedule expected of the ATP is much more damaging than anything performance enhancing.
@@inikkor520 Have you had a stroke or are these single words that you know and keep repeating? Go to some other site where they support steroids and injustice.
"Three scientific experts, Professor Jean-François Naud, Dr Xavier de la Torre, and Professor David Cowan have confirmed inadvertent contamination from Mr Naldi’s treatment in the period between 5 March and 13 March 2024 in the manner described could explain the presence of Clostebol metabolites in the Player’s system.. " he, like al the others could have simple read the report! Three doctors have explained it!
No facts?! the fact is that someone has steroids in him and that, unlike others, he was not punished. The fact is that one of the consequences of taking that steroid is vomiting. Do you know someone who threw up beside Sinner this year? Why It was even hidden for months, and the rule is that such things should be published immediately? He has a $150,000,000 contract with Nike as well as other companies like Gucci, others that get banned dont. Also Andrea Gaudenzi is the Chairman of ATP and Massimo Calvelli is the chief executive, guess where they are from and who his current coach coached before?
@@TheSklizo Any athlete is subject to testing by three organizations - the international federation of tennis, the anti-doping agency of the country the athlete is from, and the world anti-doping agency. So, for example, in 2017, almost every top 20 player on the men’s side had 14 tests a year from the ITF and WADA plus additional ones from their national anti-doping agencies.
Yes, but they prepared him well, what can he say, like a spray and then over his hands on the wounds and cuts he had, funny. Siner didn't know anything??? he doesn't know what his people use ???? so who is crazy here.
Is it possible for those pros on atp and wta to go on strike together demanding fair and transparent treatment for every player? Anybody with common sense will not buy Sinner's team's story/excuse, it's just too hard to believe-2 times testing, both positive!
Please stop pillory Sinner and Sinner's team. There has been a process by an independent tribunal. A lot of expert declared the innocence. Why you tennis commenters who don't know nothing bout law and doping are making constantly misinformation. And before you say that, your opinions DON'T COUNT, since your are not a lawyer, a "doping expert", a medical scientist eccetera (even if you were, you don't have any access to what happened so you simply can't talk about this topic). Please TH-cam people, get a life and stop talking.
A lot of experts meaning the three that held the tribunal? Also is it not weird that they kept it hidden for so long if he truly did nothing wrong? We as tennis fans just want transparency and fairness, I think that's ok to ask for.
What do you all think? Should he have been suspended? How would you treat this situation?
Hé should given back his AO GS! Sinner the SINNER! When he plays, i won't watch it for sure!!!
so, at time he was tested they found small traces of a substance that could not affect his performance. But before he was tested the level of this substance was much higher and could certainly affect his performance.
The first time it was 86 picogramms/milligram and the second it was 76 picogramms/milligram. Just a 10 pico difference. It didn’t affect his energies in matches that’s for sure.
@@Jannikthebest_Nole2.0and two months before?
and where is the proof that before that text the level was much higher?? Exactly how and where would be the proof?? Are you An expert of doping texts for stating this? It was much higher than before !!!! 🤔🤔 ah ok, if you say so.......
Yang salah itu siapa?
Yang benar siapa?
Ada orang mencari kesalahan seseorang untuk uang, bukan mencari kebenaran.
Menurut saya. Sinner hanya sebagai korban dalam kejadian ini, bukan pelaku.
Janganlah kita menghakimi seseorang tanpa bukti kuat.
@@milanzoric3181 they make tests almost 20 times a year, and in January he resulted negative; the 10th of March was the first time
This analysis is rather incomplete, and is missing some important points. For example, as you mentioned drug half-life: how do you explain that a second urine test done a week after the first one return pretty much the same results - 76 pg/ml the first one, and 86 pg/ml the second one? Both of these are incredibly low levels, which cannot give you any effect on your performance whatsoever. But most importantly, is it consistent with the administration of a large dose of this drug, or with repeated contact with minuscule traces of the drug over a certain period of time?
I would also add that LogP of this drug is ~4 and its molar mass is well below 500 g/mol, hence it is easily absorbed transdermally even in the absence of skin cracks. And that this drug is actually a rather weak AAS, to see an effect in terms of performances you need to take a bucket load of it. Which, ethical considerations aside, for athletes who are tested very frequently, it would be be an incredibly idiotic things to do.
Did you read the trial report by any chance?
Each of us had a cut in his life multiple times and Cahill said it was a deep 1, it's very annoying and trying to avoid any contact during that time and somehow physio massage for 9 days without protection(elastoplast), guy who gave physio the sprey did not know what contains, physio same case. I presume physio was putting sprey before sleeping or early in the morning, does Sinner got massage after training or before? How many hours drug have to stay on physio skin to have impact on Sinner wound, could he be infected if physio washed his hands, they recall lot of things after 2 3 weeks,like, Sinner asking physio did he treat injury with something, how many days he wear a bandage, who bought, who gave,who didn't look, how many days took massage(9days), interesting because 2nd test was 8 days later, but, can't recall did he wash his hands before touching Sinner's body, lot of questions and i didn't think right 1 were asked
Sinner's story is bs, likely rationalized by not-unreasonable assuption that almost everyone is using something.
Sure, but drug testing is too.
Could be, the only people who know the truth are Sinner and his team.
chillax dude. Take it easy or you going to get a stroke
@@TheSklizo --how about the regulating bodies that were arbiters to the situation? Why doubt them? Move on from this drama to tennis...
A questo punto bisogna ammettere che Jannik ha un team talmente potente che si è potuto permettere il fior fiore degli specialisti del settore che provengono anche dalla stessa WADA e NADO che uniche potrebbero fare appello al CAS di Losanna entro il 6 settembre…a questo punto, vista la straordinaria solidità è graniticita’ della struttura difensiva credo proprio che , Grazie a Dio, per Jannik sia rimasto solo da dedicarsi a quello che più ama e che ci fa felici…il Tennis…e comunque attenzione: questa potenza economica e capacità di difesa legale non significa che lui sia colpevole ed è stato protetto…no no…ha usato bene i suoi soldi scegliendo chi avrebbe potuto difendere la sua integrità morale e professionale, cosa che purtroppo altri atleti più sfortunati non hanno potuto fare…chiaramente mezzo mondo degli odiatori che non vorranno informarsi e capire questo continueranno ad aprire le fogne nei social come se non ci fosse un domani…ma tant’è…anche Gesù Cristo era odiato
Do you really think no other tests have been done before? Especially after winning the Australian open? Do you really think that in addition to those tests there were no others completely clean?
Given the lack of transparency resulting in this news being covered up for almost 6 months, who knows what to believe?
@@broncoguy4862Yes, but this has nothing to do with what I wrote. I was responding to the fact that in the video it is said that the small amount can depend on a calculation made by sinner based on when the tests are done
My guess is that the athletes knowingly or staff knowingly use this cream for marginal gains, and can blame a positive test result on the cream that is readily available in Italy, and then can blame staff, thus avoiding a ban if good lawyers are imployed...lets have tournament bans for anyone testing positive regardless whos fault it is, let the player come back after say 3 tournaments, strip the player of points from the previous 3 tournaments, then have to pass a test to come back. No appeals just be forced to forego 3 tournaments what ever level the player is at.
I watch Sinner played and if one can recall whike he was playing he was sick and was vomiting. Since lately he looks more muscular too. I don't know if he did it did not but you cannot have two rules and someone should appeal this decision. So unfair to other players.. Smh. God does not like UGLY.
😯 I really like your insights! Have always liked Sinner as a player and a person, so I hope he is being honest!! 👍🏻
Fingers crossed! He seems like a good person and I really hope he is being honest here.
He’s actually one of the best honest and moral-gifted guys in the world…ask Darren Cahill or ITIA inspectors …
unfair to other players who have been suspended because of similar reasons
It will not work as u said , cause atp players took drug test every month minimum and sometime several times during an event so its imposible to hide banned substance
lifetime disqualification!! to give example to the others!
Excellent insight Sklizo! I don’t trust Sinner or Italians in general so I’m inclined to believe he’s full of it. Love your stance on punishing the player as ultimately the responsibility falls on him. Good luck and stay clean!
😂
It is the sa de situation and same result in terms of timing and assolution of another player Marco Bortolotti. Inform yourself before talking!
Maybe inform yourself about Stefano Battaglino.
@@GhostofGerulaitis If you read the report, unfortunately, Battaglino failed to give a clear explanation about how the Clobestol went in his body, that is the main difference. Maybe check the case of Gabriel da Silva Santos and if you want this study about cross contamination with Clobestol "Incidental Clostebol Contamination in Athletes after Sexual Intercourse".
Hardly, the amount of steroid would have made a difference to performance and the rules are not just applied as blanket rules like Kyrgios thinks, they are applied in light of the circumstances. Tennis players are the last people to give their opinion about the matter they are not educated properly, leave it to the lawyers !
Watch until the end of the video! I explain how even that small amount could have indicated use beforehand that had not completely exited his system. I want to believe him but we must also acknowledge the possibility of malicious intent.
There shouldn't be drug testing at all in tennis. The injuries sustained from playing the crazy schedule expected of the ATP is much more damaging than anything performance enhancing.
@@TheSklizo Chill dude. Take it easy.
@@inikkor520 Have you had a stroke or are these single words that you know and keep repeating? Go to some other site where they support steroids and injustice.
Jannick is proven to be telling the truth, you are just trying to stir up a finished subject.
sapleo se muja i pao tri puta na noz
Matter has been decided by regulators..can we move on to tennis now?? Not subscribing to a drama channel stirring the pot for drama...shameful...
How naive of you.
PLEASEE GOOGLE MADAL GETS PERMISSION TO DOPE
As far as is reported, he has never failed a drug test.
@TheSklizo google it...he got permission so it's not a fail....read nadals own words in article
So no facts, just conspiracy theories and you didn't even cite anything from the organizations. 😂😂😂
"Three scientific experts, Professor Jean-François Naud, Dr Xavier de la Torre, and
Professor David Cowan have confirmed inadvertent contamination from Mr Naldi’s
treatment in the period between 5 March and 13 March 2024 in the manner described
could explain the presence of Clostebol metabolites in the Player’s system.. " he, like al the others could have simple read the report! Three doctors have explained it!
No facts?! the fact is that someone has steroids in him and that, unlike others, he was not punished. The fact is that one of the consequences of taking that steroid is vomiting. Do you know someone who threw up beside Sinner this year? Why It was even hidden for months, and the rule is that such things should be published immediately? He has a $150,000,000 contract with Nike as well as other companies like Gucci, others that get banned dont. Also Andrea Gaudenzi is the Chairman of ATP and Massimo Calvelli is the chief executive, guess where they are from and who his current coach coached before?
Ehi genius cant you think that he was checked before and found negative ?
Or maybe he wasn't checked at all. There are many players who play pro and never get checked.
@@TheSklizo Any athlete is subject to testing by three organizations - the international federation of tennis, the anti-doping agency of the country the athlete is from, and the world anti-doping agency. So, for example, in 2017, almost every top 20 player on the men’s side had 14 tests a year from the ITF and WADA plus additional ones from their national anti-doping agencies.
WADA must take up the case and ban the drug cheat.
Yes, but they prepared him well, what can he say, like a spray and then over his hands on the wounds and cuts he had, funny. Siner didn't know anything??? he doesn't know what his people use ???? so who is crazy here.
The seed of doubt has been sown forever! 🤷🏻
Is it possible for those pros on atp and wta to go on strike together demanding fair and transparent treatment for every player? Anybody with common sense will not buy Sinner's team's story/excuse, it's just too hard to believe-2 times testing, both positive!
I'm not sure, but I am interested to see if anything bigger comes from this. Maybe a push for more transparent antidoping procedures.
Massaging with an open wound and dirty hands?
He should be banned for at least 2 years.
Please stop pillory Sinner and Sinner's team. There has been a process by an independent tribunal. A lot of expert declared the innocence. Why you tennis commenters who don't know nothing bout law and doping are making constantly misinformation. And before you say that, your opinions DON'T COUNT, since your are not a lawyer, a "doping expert", a medical scientist eccetera (even if you were, you don't have any access to what happened so you simply can't talk about this topic). Please TH-cam people, get a life and stop talking.
A lot of experts meaning the three that held the tribunal? Also is it not weird that they kept it hidden for so long if he truly did nothing wrong? We as tennis fans just want transparency and fairness, I think that's ok to ask for.
follow the money
@@TheSklizoThey just followed the new rules of antidoping process. Get informed first
Doper💉💉💉🤡🤡🤡
You should be lecturing the people responsible for covering this news up for 6 months, not the people questioning why.