Going Postal Charles Dance On Lord Vetinari - Sky1 HD.mov
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- Charles Dance takes time out from filming Sky 1 HD's new Terry Pratchett adaptation Going Postal, to tell about what it's like to be the seemingly omniscient Patrician of Ankh Morpork.
as many have said here, Dance is _exactly_ how I pictured Lord Vetinari (save for the hair), but I want to draw attention to a specific bit of his performance: the way he says "don't let me detain you." TOTALLY nails the way it was described in the books - it's absolutely chilling
"The man had eyes everywhere, but none so terrifying as the icy blue ones just above his nose." - description in "Guards! Guards!"
Charles Dance is at his best when he’s playing a dangerous political schemer, he is Tywin Lannister, and he is the embodiment of Vetinari
Vetinari is Tywin, but far more intelligent and with different goals - Tywin wants gain for himself and his family, whereas Vetinari is genuinely interested in making sure that the city is running smoothly, if only as a mental exercise
I only wish they had make his hair black. But he is otherwise perfect.
@@nikitamalikov6683 Not just a mental exercise. You don't live like a monk and face assassination just as a mental exercise. He truly cares about Ankh Morpork.
LORD Vetinari to you!
There are few actors who seamlessly fit into their Discworld characters:Sir Christopher Lee as DEATH and now Charles Dance as Lord Vetinari.
Agreed. I didn't always imagine him in the roll, but now whenever I read Discworld books, I always see Charles Dance. He's just that perfect in his delivery of the roll.
The one thing that bothers me about Dance as Vetinari is that he looks a lot like how he was envisioned to look by Terry Pratchett and Paul Kidby minus the colour of his hair, Vetinari's being said to be black in the books; which could've been fixed in production. But apart from that, he looks and acts like he was made for the role.
IT'S ROLE! FFS!
"delivery of the roll"... if you get delivery service for your breakfast, that's when you'll see "delivery of a roll".
And Richard Coyle as Lipwig.
I have a theory someone on the film probably felt black hair would have made Dance look too villainous. Otherwise a package of hair dye would have easily fixed this issue.
When I first saw him as Vetinari I was immediately a little disgruntled because he was blonde. But when the first scene he was in was over ... I didn't give a damn anymore. It was perfect. :D
Charles Dance is THE actor for Vetinari. I think he captured the character perfectly - as if Vetinari actually stepped out of the book.
And now I want to see a film with the Watch ... and of course, Charles Dance as Vetinari. :)
Exactly as you say sir. and Hugh Laurie as Vimes!!!
@@raukoring Excellent suggestion. He would make perfect Vimes.
@@Taistelukalkkuna BBC has just filmed night watch series there are few photos from set and there is cast. They destroyed it by political correctness. Lady sibil is young black skinny girl... Oh this topic is about vetinari.. yea so he's a woman.
@@raukoring I'd be ok with casting a black woman in Lady Sibil's role but her age is an important plot point so anyone young should be a red flag.
raukoring A young Hugh Laurie would have been great as Carrot
Charles Dance was perfect for the Patrician, even if he's less "Black flamingo" than you'd expect.
"With respect my lord, we answerable to our shareholders. Not to you." Cant believe he had the balls to say that toVentinari's face
Charles Dance as Havelock Vetinari. Talk about perfect casting.
And Hugh Laurie is Vimes
His Vetinari has such depth, you can almost see the wheels both fast and slow turning underneath the smooth cool sophisticated surface of his character. Its that quality that makes Vetinari such a riveting character.
As great as Jeremy Irons was as Vetinari, it is Charles Dance who manages to match sir Terry's description of the man as "looking like a carnivorous flamingo" from behind.
"Oh i'm sorry, I hadn't realised." Fantastic scene and one of the funniest in the movie. The timing from the turn to the change of face was perfect.
Hair colour bares no relevance once you've looked into CD'es eyes. They have a calculating stare that looks like he's figured out how to screw you over six ways before he's even said hello.
hence why he was also brilliant as tywin lannister...
Agreed, the only other actor that I think could have done Veternari justice is Patrick McGoohan, very similar actors and styles
Only six? 8-)
This is where I first noticed charles dance before game of thrones. Rarely I've seen such a srong presence in a person without a hint of arrogance. I hadn't even recognized him as the villain from Last action hero until I searched his name online. He is much different now he is playing authoritarian figures.
And Lupsi from The Golden Child
Best possible casting for Vetinari.
Charles Dance even managed to nail Vetinari's 'sense of humor'. That is... he doesn't usually show it, if it's showing, somebody is really in an awful lot of trouble. He managed to radiate menace and intimidation without ever directly acting threatening or raising his voice, and thus when he DOES raise his voice snappishly, it kind of makes the blood run cold.
Truly the perfect actor for Vetinari. I am fine with some deviation from the established appearance so long as the character is portrayed right. And Charles Dance didn't portray Vetinari, Charles Dance BECAME Vetinari. His hair color bothered me zero from the moment he was on screen because he *WAS* Vetinari, through and through, from the way he moved to the expressions to the way he spoke. Not a 'version' of Vetinari, he became the character, stepped right off the page, and I freakin' APPLAUD him for it.
"My God he's prolific." Damn right. Pratchett averaged two books a year between 1987 and 1998.
This is by far the best live action adaptation of a Pratchett novel.
He's just born for this role. It's perfect.
As soon as I saw him playing Vetinari, I was like, "shit. I'm never going to see anyone else as Vetinari ever again. Charles Dance was born to this role!"
Jeremy Irons had the right look for the role - but Charles Dance took the spirit of the character like a fitting glove - he IS Vetinari
Charles Dance is the Actor I would pick to be the Head of the Sith as in the Godfather. He has that quiet, awareness that "yes, I am more powerful than any of you and you exist solely because I allow it" you insignificant things I must utilize because it is the tool at hand.
that line at the end by lord Vetinari is so good
I can't ever see anyone but Richard Coyle as Lipwig. He's too perfect.
I agree. I know he was definitely meant to be unrecognisable, but Richard just makes him SO fitting and sexy. I mean he owns that character like Lipwig owns his audience!
hmmm possibly Simon Pegg ?
He was amazing in this part. Going Postal was the best Pratchett adaptation ever, because the cast was so perfect. I hope they keep him for the next one.
When are they going to make another pratchett movie/mini-mini-series? I'd love to see Guards or thief of time. For is it not written, "I haven't got all day, you know".
YES. I want to see Vimes! He's my absolute favorite.
The City Watch series - I belive 10 episodes is being filmed ..... my favourite too.
My dream cast would be Hugh Laurie as Vimes and Roy Kinear (unfortunately long deceased) as Sgt Colon. They just fit the roles as played out in my imagination.
@@chrisknight6884 Hugh Laurie as Vimes? I guess you're thinking more House than Prince Regent, but I still can't quite picture it.
That's the problem with imagination and reality. Rarely to film versions match your own interpretation of the written work. Not that anyone is 'right' per se, just that everyone is different. That said, I did think that the miniseries Going Postal did a pretty good job, that fitted my vision quite well. .....and Hogfather? Well, enough said!
The new BBC watch series has almost finished shooting. Vimes is played by Richard Dormer, and honestly I think he fits perfectly.
All the years I read and reread the novels I had a face in my head for who Vetinari was. I never really thought it was a person that I had seen before but Charles is the face of him to me and has always been!
Jeremy Irons is a marvelous actor. One gets the idea he could win an Oscar just from reading the Comcast interactive customer service menu options. But he doesn't quite have the... DREAD, the aura of just pure DREAD, that Charles Dance exudes from every pore when he turns it on.
Jeremy Irons is brilliant, but I thought that as Lord Vetinari, he sounded quite a bit like Eddie Izzard impersonating Sean Connery. It did thow me off. Casting Charles Dance was genius. And then some.
Now that's Vetinari!
Vincent Price or Christopher Lee was in my mind's eye whenever I read a scene with Vetinari in it. Then along came Dance and he totally works.
I always hear the joke that "no wonder Tywin is such a magnificent bastard, he's vetinari!" And I agree.
Much as I liked Jeremy Irons as Vetinari, Charles Dance is also a terrific actor. So I'm good wif it.
If Alan Rickman wasn't dead, I'd want to him be Vetinari. Terry was said to have imagined him as looking like Rickman. After playing Snape, he could do it perfectly.
The White House needs to replace Trump and the Oval Office with Vetinari and an Oblong Office.
Actually, I disagree. I think Westminster needs to replace Mother Teresa in number ten, with Vetinari. Then we'd see who exits who!
No kidding! Things would actually get done.
Tywin and Vetinari.
Awww man! Charles Dance doesn't need anymore quietly menacing, badass characters on his resume.
Aaaah yessss! What a PERFECT choice for Vetinari! Threatening, yet compassionate wher ylu can't see it.. a bit like death... but with more flesh!
@balkoth1984: Why? Apart from the hair colour Dances does not only look exactely like Vetinari (like described in the book and shown in the drawings that Terry findes spot on), his performance is absolutely pitch perfect aswell. Jeremy is a fine actor but he didn't even come close to nailing this as brilliant as Dances does. It's like he just walked out of one of the books right onto the screen!
Yeah, Irons hammed it up and was annoying... Charles Dance was absolutely perfect all around.
Dance's assessment of Lord Vetinari is incorrect. Lord Vetinari didn't manipulate; his methods were far more subtle and refined. As Lipwig observed, Vetinari doesn't pull your strings, he lets you pull your own strings. The entire reason Vetinari chose Lipwig to run the post office was because he could see Lipwig's character was well suited to performing the task required. During Lipwig's tenure as the Post Master, Vetinari never told Lipwig what to do. Lipwig came up with all his own ideas and implemented them. The most Vetinari did was to remind Lipwig that he was keeping an eye on him.
Yea. He is what you call "The Friendly Dictator" as me and my mom coined lol meaning hes forceful on helping people and being nice when they don't want it. And being forceful against people's wishing is seen as being tyrant/dictator..when they are not really..
Yeah...it happens most of the times big actors are playing characters from the books. Its not like Dance read the books before taking in the role and i can bet 50 dollars he did not read them during the shooting. Most likely he just did what the guy in charge of the shooting told him to do, and Dance just assembled the character he was playing from that.
I think youre right, but he did tell lippwigg to run the post office, the details were up to him however.
Indeed. Vetinari isn't interesting about people "toeying the line". All he wants is a well-run city and he gives people like Vimes and Lipwig all the freedom to do their thing. As long as it helps the city, Vetinari will not interfere.
@Inos Smythe And let's not forget the golem he has watching Moist. Not all his methods are equally subtle. 😆
Charles Dance is in everything. Not a complaint.
The only actor who can play the character. Most pleasing.
As a straight man I am weirdly attracted to Lord dancer's voice.
I always love Vetinari " Don't let me keep you".
Don't let me detain you
I always found him to be an excellent choice to play Vetinari. He captures the silent menace of the man perfectly.
He nails the essence in the first fifteen seconds. For an actor like Dance, you know from there you're about to see the patrician himself
I love it! This looks like the best Pratchett movie yet, I can't wait to see it! Going postal wasn't my favorite book, but I compare them all to the Vimes & Weatherwax novels...
Vetinari... one of my all time favourite fictitious characters. And Charles Dance is close to perfect casting. The only other person who comes to mind is Christopher Lee, when he was a bit younger. And a bit more alive.
On an semi-related topic, I liked this show, but... did anyone else feel Ankh Morpork was a depicted as a bit too... modern? I always imagined it as somewhat more in the classical fantasy realm. But, I guess, it is based on London, and by the time of Going Postal it is going through its own version of the Industrial Revolution, so maybe this was actually a more accurate depiction. But it's not how I saw it in my mind.
I feel the same way. This was Pratchett via Dickens.
@@theoldar Colour of Magic had already medieval Renaissance type vibe to it.
@@TheBespectacledN00b As I go back and reread things, maybe I was mistaken. There is a Victorian feel to a lot of the stuff in the books.
Patrick McGoohan would also have been perfect (King Longshanks from Braveheart)
Agreed. But I'd add Alan Rickman to the list.
Vetinari as a young man in Night Watch was a student at the Assassins school, and he was particularly keen on studying the art of concealment
yeah, got bad marks due to nonattendance.
When I first saw Mr. Irons as Vetinari it was 100% satisfying, but after seeing Mr. Dances performation, I totaly forgot about his hair color after 20 seconds of his acting and therefor I must put him on top. And I'd really like to see Moist von Lipwicks adventure Making Money soon, with the same cast!
on the one hand dance fits so perfect by his acting and look.
on the other hand irons did look and played it very good also...
Hoping the Discworld movies will continue!
Perfect choice for Lord Vetinary.
The only other character I could picture Charles Dance playing might be Commander Vimes. He's perfect as Vetinari though. Maybe Sean Bean can play Vimes and Charles Dance can reprise his role as the Patrician.
boromirtheboring Sean Bean would be the ideal vimes. I hope they make more of these Discworld movies.
Wouldn't work. I;m sure Sean Bean has it in his contracts that his characters must die.
How about David Bradley as Cohen the Barbarian
Or older Eric Idle. Terry Pratchett would be perfect, except he can't act all that well.
@@hickorymccay2994 of course he can't play that well. He's been dead for a few years.
Jeremy Irons just didn't seem anywhere near sinister enough. I was upset at the casting for Vetenari in this movie, but when I heard the way he delivered the line "Don't let me detain you." my doubts were banished.
Irons was all right when he played the part, but Dance is perfect! He's got that whole quiet menace thing down pat. I certainly wouldn't want to aggravate him.
vetinari is so peculiarly bloodless, legend has it that he is actually a vampire, vampires are quick to nod sagely in his presence, as they find him more terrifying than themselves..
charles dance is the perfect casting.
❤️ Charles.❤️ a famous actor.💎 a attractive man , a very dear actor to me !!! 😘💕😍
Charles was much better Vetinary than Irons.
I'm not gay but if Charles Dance tells me: 'Don't let me detain you', I'd rather reply: 'Detain me, please'.
I'm woman, and l agree with you totally. By the way, there is a lot of fanfics about Lipwig💙Vetinary. In my mind, MY GOLDEN BOY is the best.
Even thou Charles Dance fittsw Vetinari so much in this, I just can never overcome the perfect fit that was the sublime overacting of Jeremy Irons, he's take on the patcrician was just perfect for how absurd Discworld realy is
He was just the better choice for veterini.I liked how he played veterini as well .
The Patrician.
Granny Weatherwax.
DEATH.
The three most formidable characters on the Disk, or quite a few other places.
Vetinari meeting Death would have made for a very interesting conversation.
And Vetinari meeting Granny?
Who would have won a staring contest?
Kudos to Jeremy Irons as well
And David Suchett
No doubt, the best choice for the role!
He is a very attractive gentleman.... Just love love love him 😍.....
He was an excellent Vetinari
I have a favorite for the angelizer tool! apparently someone wanted to send along more angels to the afterlife!
To this day when I read Vetinari, it’s this man’s voice and face I see in my mind…And Matt Berry as Moist…
I wish they had continued with Making Money, same cast. There are some really good characters in that book.
Well f*** me, I've been reading Discworld novels for ages, but I had no idea there even WERE Discworld movies until I stumbled across this vid! :)
Agree - Charles Dance was brilliant!
It's the same in Game of Thrones. Tywin Lannister is only in his mid 50s and Dance is about a decade older. Still wonderful though.
@knight1172 I 100% agree. He's the perfect Vetinari - and you very well described why.
secret note I found in earth2s possession 'I didnt like your angel, so ill just make one just for me, one that only I will want'
Charles Dance was pretty much the perfect Vetinari.....
A discworld novel I'd really love to see turned into a movie is Night Watch. Only problem is it's a Watch story. The needed budget may be strenuous at times.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Watch_(TV_series)
You're welcome. His own daughter is heading it, apparently.
@@Crilic3 yeah, but that not's Nightwatch. The one with the Back-in-time things.
They had the cast. If they had followed the book to the letter it would have been a truly excellent film.
I was really unhappy when they chose someone with light hair, but he was really good and I enjoyed watching this movie. The only inconsistency I found was when he was answering about playing a game sometimes "we already are" that seemed a little bit out of Vetinari's character, not calm and self confident enough. But I guess it was in the script that way, so nothing to complain on his side. Anyway, good job and good movie. Highly recommended.
What an actor...
До чего же славные книжки написал Пратчетт. Жаль, что его нет больше с нами.
Fuck, now I really have to get this. I mean... Charles Dance is just about perfectly cast. Not sure about Coyle (even though I love him to bits in Coupling)
Sorry joke. Oh hadn't realized. Lol Terry was a God
@knight1172. I totaly agree. What matters is his ablity to play the role. If he is a good enough actor you ought to be able to forget his hair colour is not right. Or that he is a bit shorter, taller, fatter thiner whatever.
Vetinari is an exemplar of the lawful neutral alignment at its finest.
poirot and tywin lannister in the same film.....im sold ;p
@ArthurSavillesCrime Not arguing with that. Jeremy Irons is the quintessential Vetinari for me.
@HighlordAwesome - as for the tie... it looks like one of those stiff thingies called a wing collar...
@Phantombucketmouse
I think Jeremy Irons could have been perfect, but didn't seem to be bothering.
A Lannister always pays his debts!
But he is not even a villain. Its a gag character. Like one punch man, but less brawl, more public service.
note to some person who once played a lord vetinari, when I arrive in londonium next week, anyone whos been buying the "expensive s**t instead of doing real scholaring should just confine themselves to their personal lavratories. Harry POTTERs job will seem much easier at times like that. Do make sure ethiopian ping pong club of unsportlyness stay out of interfering with my travelplans, even thinking of it should be considered to have interest for fresh attendances to the piano lesson sessions....
@knight1172 I agree. i also felt that Orons didn't take the part seriously. Therer seemed a misconstued reference to Monty Pythons life of Brina that didn't work.
I can't bring myself to enjoy this film though. The cast is brilliant, and the screenplay decent. But the directing, and the setting just feel awkward and unproffesional. Like the last two films it feels to small and enclosed. The music score is trite aswell
I'm reading this right now!!! They made a series???!!!!
No. One film. Unfortunately not the best adaptation, but amazing acting here and there.
Fits perfectly, except for his hair color of course.
I do think Dance was the best Vetinari yet but I feel like Vetinari as a character is a bit like Sherlock Holmes, always played by actors far older than the actual character.
We know that Young Sam Vimes was born on the 30th anniversay of the Glorious Revolution. Going Postal is set a couple of years after this, I'd say rough estimate that he's between 4 and 6. During the revolution Vetinari is last year of school (18). Therefore he's only 52-54. Dance is in his mid-60s.
He's better than the last guy to play Vetinari.
>.> sigh. I really prefer the way I imagined him. Haven't seen the movie yet because I'm still deciding on whether to read the book first, but what I'm getting from this is a stuffy old man/villain. To me, Vetinari has a contemplative, sharp, quick, but lurking energy. He's not stiffly languid; he's relaxed, but ready to spring. He takes things in stride, he is should seem more pleasant than imposing, but the imposing-ness hangs heavily around him anyway. Idk, maybe it's the anime influences.
@Tylendal242 Yes, this guy was a perfect portrayal of Vetinari
Although I still think, that Jeremy Irons in (Colours of magic) ist the real Vetinary, I must say, that Charles Dance ist the Vize-Patrician, blond or not. And when "PTerry" says, he's ok, so he 's ok for me, too.
Come on, Charlie, go on and rule!
@ArthurSavillesCrime Charles is well known for his downright refusal ever to let people mess with his hair colour. ^_^
@dayiiv: I guess because dyed hair would have looked artificial, just like Irons' acting was (as much as I like him in other roles) and they didn't want to mess with the realism of Dances acting. Dye his hair and the frist thing you think is.. oh, they dyed the hair of the actor. I'm glad they didn't.
No better actor for vetinari. And I liked Vetinari in The Watch.
Rest in peace
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I am truely sorry for your loss, condolances to the family of her other family too, But it will soon be Semi Apparent anyway, the LP there went all repeaty on itself...