Today's Thought Experiment: Pfft. Races are boring, even in space. Give me ways of spicing them up. And no, just adding guns doesn't count. That's just Mario Kart with fatalities.
Could always do it like the ancient Greeks did. I agree about racing though David Mitchell once called formula 1 "Televised traffic" hard to argue with that.
Have one racer have a ship that's faster than all the others, but the pilot's entire goal is to set traps for the others to try to get out of, which often time backfire on the pilot. Oh, and the pilot has a dog partner that laughs at him.
Yeah, it’s obvious that that’s who he was supposed to be. And they tried to keep as much of the original character in as they could while still trying to make him distinct
Berman nixed Locarno because that origin story wasn't milquetoast enough for him or something. To be honest, even as a grudging student of Berman's weirdness, I don't get that one. Bigotry, attempts to goose ratings, ego, and his obsession with syndication can explain most Berman choices, but the Locarno-Paris thing feels like Berman rejected a character, the writers applied a slightly different photoshop filter, and then Berman was okay with it because somehow the blues popping more appeased one of those motivations.
I guess the "Being kicked out of the Academy" was a reference to Robert Duncan McNeill's character Nicholas Locarno in ST-TNG's "The First Duty", who was originally going to be the same character. But that might have involved paying royalties to the writer of that episode, so they tippexed out "Locarno" and called him "Paris" instead when they put the character in Voyager.
Harry's (updated) list of romantic partners: - A girlfriend half a zettameter away. - The twin who isn't into him. - An ensign turned zombie. - A three year old half-Ocampa who never existed. - A woman with space VD that makes you glow in the dark. - A life sucking alien played by the Terminator. - A Borg babe. - A hologram who isn't really a hologram, who drops him for Tuvok. - A hologram who is really a hologram, who gets turned into a cow. - And now, an alien terrorist. There's one more yet to come, 10 episodes away if my count is right.
I'm just surprised he was eager to try and get space gonorrhea again. But maybe one of the reasons McBumbyNose was turned off becuase part of Harry's flirting now includes going over approval regulations before shagging.
I've always quite liked the Tom and B'elanna pairing. They're both absolute messes but manage to work through it together to build a relationship that winds up being rather sweet!
Okay, let me see if I have this right: ALIENS: Our four races were at war for centuries, but now we've made peace. JANEWAY: That's nice. ALIENS: We're holding this race as a celebration, where we can work out our aggression through friendly competition. JANEWAY: We're in. ALIENS: Uh… well, sure, I guess it'd be fine if you- JANEWAY: We're in and we're going to fucking destroy you with our superior military hardware. ALIENS: Um… JANEWAY: It'll be a huge diplomatic coup. Everyone in this sector will love us.
16:11 "she says he was expelled" 1. Be'lanna was expelled from the academy, or quit, so maybe she was confusing herself with him 2. The original character Duncan-McNeil played (Nick Locarno) was expelled from the academy 3. Maybe she just plain mixed up getting dishonorably discharged with expulsion
I've said it before but I really think Janeway's quip about being on a first name basis with the board of inquiry was more of a "I was there so often they gave me my own parking space" kind of joke than anything about favoritism
If you havent seen it, Star Trek Lower Decks definitely nudges up against some of the questionable Nepo-baby stuff you're getting at with Tom and Papa Paris. When Boimler discovers that Mariner's mother is their ship's captain, and her father is an Admiral, he calls her "Starfleet royalty". It is quite a concerning and messy situation, and it's been smoothed over somewhat over LD's 4 seasons so far.
@@andrewblanchard2398I mean…..yeah, but unlike every other modern Trek show apart from Prodigy, the Easter eggs is sort of like…the point of that show. You may as well complain about the sky being blue That said, when LD does do its own thing (which happens more often in later seasons), it’s really, really great and on par with much of the best in this franchise.
I really liked B'elanna and Tom's match up. It seemed weirdly very wrong and very right simultaneously. They're both kind of messed up in different ways.
You are absolutely right! Those flight suits are indeed super ugly and not one of my favorite off-brand Starfleet uniforms ever seen in the show. *Shifty eyes and whispers* "do you think he bought it?"
I love your snarky videos. They remind me of Zero Punc- uhm, Fully Ramblomatic. But for some reason, those dogs really irritate me. :'D It's probably the voices, but that's my shortcoming.
I do kinda think Tom and Belanna's joint impulsiveness could be a spicy brain thing too... maybe ADHD, maybe BPD (given their troubled childhoods) maybe both... I do kinda get ADHD vibes off Tom making new exciting plans then realizing what he forgot about after the dopamine drops off.
05:35 Not being a male pig here but if we were in the tng ere here, that suit would have been sporting a , ahem, toe for all to see, as was very common for the outfits of the fems back then before ds9 done away with em.
Question, how dose one feel a shock wave in space. Space is a vacuum there is no medium for which the shock wave to pass through to make a vibration. Having sound in space is just there for entertainment and the convenience of the audience we've all long accepted that.
Boring episode i barely remembered and didn't manage to force myself to rewatch. Poor Harry, the writers did the character and the actor dirty all because of one interview Garret Wong did and they got pissy over.
Today's Thought Experiment: Pfft. Races are boring, even in space. Give me ways of spicing them up. And no, just adding guns doesn't count. That's just Mario Kart with fatalities.
Could always do it like the ancient Greeks did.
I agree about racing though David Mitchell once called formula 1 "Televised traffic" hard to argue with that.
Id say using ship teleporters on each racing ships to throw your opponent far away or teleport them inside a sun.
Have one racer have a ship that's faster than all the others, but the pilot's entire goal is to set traps for the others to try to get out of, which often time backfire on the pilot.
Oh, and the pilot has a dog partner that laughs at him.
Use sprinklers to water the track. Wait what were we talking about?
Hear me out... Speed Racer, but in space .. LOL
One of the writers forgot it was Paris for a moment and wrote as if it was Locarno.
Yeah, it’s obvious that that’s who he was supposed to be.
And they tried to keep as much of the original character in as they could while still trying to make him distinct
Berman nixed Locarno because that origin story wasn't milquetoast enough for him or something. To be honest, even as a grudging student of Berman's weirdness, I don't get that one. Bigotry, attempts to goose ratings, ego, and his obsession with syndication can explain most Berman choices, but the Locarno-Paris thing feels like Berman rejected a character, the writers applied a slightly different photoshop filter, and then Berman was okay with it because somehow the blues popping more appeased one of those motivations.
That alien male ambassador was Julian Bashir’s dad once.
I thought he looked familiar!
I guess the "Being kicked out of the Academy" was a reference to Robert Duncan McNeill's character Nicholas Locarno in ST-TNG's "The First Duty", who was originally going to be the same character. But that might have involved paying royalties to the writer of that episode, so they tippexed out "Locarno" and called him "Paris" instead when they put the character in Voyager.
Harry's (updated) list of romantic partners:
- A girlfriend half a zettameter away.
- The twin who isn't into him.
- An ensign turned zombie.
- A three year old half-Ocampa who never existed.
- A woman with space VD that makes you glow in the dark.
- A life sucking alien played by the Terminator.
- A Borg babe.
- A hologram who isn't really a hologram, who drops him for Tuvok.
- A hologram who is really a hologram, who gets turned into a cow.
- And now, an alien terrorist.
There's one more yet to come, 10 episodes away if my count is right.
I'm just surprised he was eager to try and get space gonorrhea again. But maybe one of the reasons McBumbyNose was turned off becuase part of Harry's flirting now includes going over approval regulations before shagging.
I don't remember the life sucking Terminator. Which one was that again?
@@Here_is_Waldo Favorite Son. Watch for Kristina Lokken.
@@oddish4352 Ah, of course. I'd forgotten that one, thanks.
I've always quite liked the Tom and B'elanna pairing. They're both absolute messes but manage to work through it together to build a relationship that winds up being rather sweet!
Okay, let me see if I have this right:
ALIENS: Our four races were at war for centuries, but now we've made peace.
JANEWAY: That's nice.
ALIENS: We're holding this race as a celebration, where we can work out our aggression through friendly competition.
JANEWAY: We're in.
ALIENS: Uh… well, sure, I guess it'd be fine if you-
JANEWAY: We're in and we're going to fucking destroy you with our superior military hardware.
ALIENS: Um…
JANEWAY: It'll be a huge diplomatic coup. Everyone in this sector will love us.
😂😂😂
16:11 "she says he was expelled"
1. Be'lanna was expelled from the academy, or quit, so maybe she was confusing herself with him
2. The original character Duncan-McNeil played (Nick Locarno) was expelled from the academy
3. Maybe she just plain mixed up getting dishonorably discharged with expulsion
Really, I think the only reason we didn't see an actual Tom/B'elana wedding here is they already blew their load with that in "Course: Oblivion"
Yeah, they stated they where trying to avoid repeating themselves. No idea why it bothered them this time as repeats didn't normally bother them.
I've said it before but I really think Janeway's quip about being on a first name basis with the board of inquiry was more of a "I was there so often they gave me my own parking space" kind of joke than anything about favoritism
"He ignores Kim just like the writers have for 6 years!" LMFAO!!!!
Add a Warp 10 moment. First person to Salamander wins.
Is it possible the writer of this episode got Paris confused with Nick Locarno from TNG?
I remember this episode of Stargate Voyager. Or is it Star Trek: SG1?
I wonder if the doctor was learning golf because of his programing? Doctors and golf go together.
Come for the nitpicky smarm, stay for the TRUTH BOMBS about communication being essential to a healthy long-term relationship. 😄
What version of this story is better? Drive from Voyager, or Space Race from SG-1 ?
I thought that when I watched this. "Hm, SG1 did this story too!"
I would love a go at SG1 in this style. Would be great 👍
I think every series that involves space travel has a space race episode.
It’s like the Beach Episode for Scifi shows.
@@sarnxero2628 yeah, I hope UL goes onto the Stargate series once he's done with ST. Might be a while tho. 😆
Sg1!!!!
Plot twists smell strangely like leola root 🤔
If you havent seen it, Star Trek Lower Decks definitely nudges up against some of the questionable Nepo-baby stuff you're getting at with Tom and Papa Paris. When Boimler discovers that Mariner's mother is their ship's captain, and her father is an Admiral, he calls her "Starfleet royalty". It is quite a concerning and messy situation, and it's been smoothed over somewhat over LD's 4 seasons so far.
@@andrewblanchard2398I mean…..yeah, but unlike every other modern Trek show apart from Prodigy, the Easter eggs is sort of like…the point of that show. You may as well complain about the sky being blue
That said, when LD does do its own thing (which happens more often in later seasons), it’s really, really great and on par with much of the best in this franchise.
This episode gives me flashbacks to that PITA mission in Freelancer, which I probably played around the same time that this was broadcast.
I really liked B'elanna and Tom's match up. It seemed weirdly very wrong and very right simultaneously. They're both kind of messed up in different ways.
Am I the only one who wants a "best of stupid expressions in the stills" at the end of this whole endeavor?
You are absolutely right! Those flight suits are indeed super ugly and not one of my favorite off-brand Starfleet uniforms ever seen in the show. *Shifty eyes and whispers* "do you think he bought it?"
I love your snarky videos. They remind me of Zero Punc- uhm, Fully Ramblomatic. But for some reason, those dogs really irritate me. :'D
It's probably the voices, but that's my shortcoming.
I do kinda think Tom and Belanna's joint impulsiveness could be a spicy brain thing too... maybe ADHD, maybe BPD (given their troubled childhoods) maybe both... I do kinda get ADHD vibes off Tom making new exciting plans then realizing what he forgot about after the dopamine drops off.
This episode should absolutely been named Race.
05:35
Not being a male pig here but if we were in the tng ere here, that suit would have been sporting a , ahem, toe for all to see, as was very common for the outfits of the fems back then before ds9 done away with em.
Question, how dose one feel a shock wave in space. Space is a vacuum there is no medium for which the shock wave to pass through to make a vibration.
Having sound in space is just there for entertainment and the convenience of the audience we've all long accepted that.
Technically, not even space is a total vacuum. There is always something that can move.
Even if it’s the fabric of space itself
Good point, on the need to let your partner know there's an issue, to start the fixing.
This is a middle of the road kinda episode
I really liked the episode, it felt as the final climax to Bleena and Paris miscommunication issues, all cards on the table
I'm pretty sure all military organizations past present and future have been an always will be a bit of a nepotism club
I just thought the kicked out of the academy comment was just hyperbole.
Boring episode i barely remembered and didn't manage to force myself to rewatch. Poor Harry, the writers did the character and the actor dirty all because of one interview Garret Wong did and they got pissy over.
Stargate did it better.
@@andrewblanchard2398 yer da sells Avon, mate.
@@andrewblanchard2398 your dad sells Avon.