I like how Friedman looks like he is cordial and invites guests and still completely owns the conversation with small insights and short, very relevant developments.
I have a Polish Uncle so yes I do know quite a bit about Poland. I must say though that Europeans underestimate Americans and also underestimate Polish people. Right now Poland is in good financial shape because of the Polish people and its leaders. Poland has great potential and we American recognize that potential.
Yeah, polish leaders are so good that they passed a pack of laws that allow the political power to control justice... In my country, Romania, politicians are trying for a year now to pass the same laws, but we are in the streets every day to put pressure on them to stop and we will enter the Parliament by force and fire them if needed. I don't know why polish population is so passive, maybe they're tired from working too much.
Gabriel USE they are simply cleaning juridical sphere of postcommunist cartels. Do you know that even simple case of unpaid invoice can be proceeded by 6 to 18 MONTHS in Poland? They had to do something. Polish (in)justice system was dysfunctional for years, it is great current gov kicks this corrupted nest.
If they did that an nothing more, I guess it's ok. BUT if they did what Romania's actual Parliament tries to do under the pretext of ,,repairing justice laws", then it's wrong and undemocratic. Here they are trying to place the Justice state power under the control of Parliament. Under the same pretext, the new law here has some bizzare articles which make interest conflicts legal, changing the Penal Code. Moreover, Poland was given the same warning as Romania about the change in their Justice laws.
Gabriel USE I don't know details (even being Polish myself) but I know that justice system in Poland does not work and it really hurts us. Noone had done anything with that for 20 years. Germany and France are interested in keeping Poland (and rest of Eastern Europe, maybe except Czech) in chaos, that allows them to suck our blood for little longer, we dont care about their threats too much. As one German minister said, most money that Brussels sends to Poland, goes to Germany anyway. They have more to loose.
Fascinating. It was like reading a top notch novel of political intrigue. At the end Friedman mentioned that it was a great convo that no one would understand, but they were so informative, especially Friedman, that one could absorb at least a good part of it even wo knowing much about eastern Europe.
I understand precisely what is being discussed and have been watching the rise of Central Europe ever since the election of our Polish pope and now saint.
Small edit na szybko: Great talk, intresting video. When i wrote a comment few years ago I included below suggestions, not editing :P 1. Broader vision than only Russia, US internal and EU (where prep is rly solid) 2. Sexy vision on bilateral cooperation (without getting in the ass too much) for all Intermarium countries. Magnet vision that drives. Rly better make it super sexy magnet. 3. Avoid by all means nativity with George (he is friend but US wont be if see you acting too naive) 4. Intermarium bilateral PR - imagine Litva, Ukraine, Bulgarian, Cortaria, Norway and more (each seperatly) (and more) listening to that. Manage to make all compelled as hell. 5. Top your and all other Pulaski lads game by that spectrum. Was not tragic, it was good on many sides, but underpreperation on others was rly painful. 6. More. Best wishes, and thank you, good talk.
PS: Still 10 times better than Georges interview with Lithuania's Finance Minister in terms of underpreperation. Jacek Bartosiak was very good, even to good (George seemed shocked by his realism, thinking - is it realism or hidden hostility - was funny to watch)
I'm disappointed. Mr. Pisarski is either unprepared for discussion or just he is not the proper man for this role. He doesn't give direct answers to questions. He is just simulating content. It would be a pleasure to see Mr. Jacek Bartosiak on this chair.
No, he is not. Besides the conference you linked (in which he actually gave me good impression), I know him from other sources, mostly his speeches in Polish.
The only problem is that Friedman will not do this out of his own volition. Bartosiak is agent of chinese influence, and everyone on polish geopolitical scene knows that. Friedman on the other hand represents american influence. Both are engaged-directly or indirectly, knowingly or unkowingly-in information war with polish public on behalf of chiense or americans. Friedman has no interest in interviewing him.
So Mr Pisarski replied to 'What is the reality of Poland of USA?' - 'Yes, we need to trust' (in context of military). As a Polish living among Poles in Poland I can reply: we trust that we have same interests with USA at this time in this area but we don't trust any ally. I'm expressing social emotion not the government agenda (I don't know it). That is why there is strong feeling in society that we need to arm ourselves, spend money on army and prepare to defend alone. Our perspective is that USA may want to help us, but may not be able to because of other engagements and the position of France and Germany. That is why Poland is planning to build new army division in the east and the strategic plan for 2030 is that we need to be able to defect ourselves alone. So at the end - we DON't TRUST - that USA may have means to be our ally. I terms of politicians - I don't really know. Above is the mixture of my readings and discussion with my folks here.
Jack O. That's exactly what happened here! A Senior tried to give this youngster a chance to show his ability...but he just showed his incapability. So sad! 🤣
How would Poland react if it found out that behind its back Russia and Germany formed an alliance of technology exchange for raw materials? Would Poland at such point feel betrayed and played out for the nth time? How many times does Poland need to see the same movie to realize that good relations mean nothing and self-reliance everything?
the relations ware great between poland and germany, until german chancellor started to invite random people from the middle east to Poland. The ship is sinking, gotta find another one.
i keep in mind what countries we talk about ,yeah blue hord dont demand federalisation of naighbour country enymore whics is every normal naighbour duty..but would polax elect somebody for president who s been twice in prison for robbery? in west he wouldnt get even public toilet manager place..poland perform better and dont use tupolev series enymore ,repaired multiple times like one one european great power should...poznan uprise was before prague and budapest ,points for that ...who else is there?madiars,would u trust in hungary? soviets took no hunn prisoners ..romanians made U -turn while marching just like that .partrly it was usa diplomatic effort but yeah..with this attitude israel wouldnt exist enymore ..
Usa won ww2, everyone growed behind iron curtain, second language is English, during years everyone who could moved to usa as far away from europe, major banks and financial institutions are in usa, everyone know that in Poland, 10 millions in Usa wich means 1/4 have someone in Poland
I don't agree with Mr Pisarski response to Germany - Russian influence on foreign policy - it's not that simple. There was proposal of foreign minister Radek Sikorski that Germany should take the leadership in EU. So there was some kind of idea of politicians that we should 'go together with Germany'. I think current government doesn't like that idea :) and they see EU as the 'German empire', they want to build more independent foreign policy. But it's only my opinion.
Reminds me of Tom Lehrer's song "Who's Next?" about the world's growing "nuclear club", "....... Luxembourg is next to go and who knows.... maybe Monaco..... We'll try to stay sirene and calm.... when, ALABAMA gets the bomb....."
Mr Friedman asking about D. Trump visit - despite of the meaningless details Mr Pisarski presented: Polish society is divided similarly to the US one but liberal wing is weaker comparing to US politics. So there are 2 stories: Our government, right-wing and ultra-right wing is very pro Trump. Visit was well received. You need to understand that Intermarium plan is mostly driven by conservatives in Poland. The second story is by liberal wing and mainstream media - they were not completely negative about visit but I wouldn't say it was positive narrative. Liberal part doesn't seem to follow the idea of Intermarium as they (liberals) are looking at Brussels and the project is considered as anti-brussel-centric. In the society - the visit was well received but Trump has a lot of bad press (mostly via MSM). General comments were that was a lot of rhetoric but generally those were 'only words'. Of course we don't know what was discussed between politicians. Polish people (as society) expect some breakthrough from USA (kind of symbolic like moving Poland to no-visa program) - Polish people feel that USA always wanted to take and we don't have anything from that. So current deployment of US Army in Central Europe - Poland including is such symbolic gesture and it's presented by media as such.
Russia vs Nato - another subject in which Mr Pisarski gave strange answer - 17 to 1? Maybe he could share the result of HQ war games held in Warsaw - January 2017 - his organization organized it - pulaski.pl/en/a-war-game-of-pulaski-foundation-and-potomac-foundation-with-gen-breedloves-participation/ From what I heard it's not that simple, and in war games we would have a decisive battle with Russia on Polish soil so what 17 to 1?
"Polish paranoia about Russia" - come on, we had 17 wars against them... he really doesn't know what is going on with Intermarium and Central-Eastern Europe. Without Poland there is no Nato in Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.
I don't agree with Mr Pisarski response that 'on the level of society we have good relations with Russia'. I don't know where he takes that opinion from, let me put here some references - www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/09/russias-global-image-negative-amid-crisis-in-ukraine/ Polish people don't like Russia state and policy and that - of course - affects average Joe contact with average Ivan. Believe that if ordinary Polish guy spends some time with Russian, Pole will ask about politics etc. or history. I want to remind this event: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18409776 On the level of economy, Poland is trying to buy gas and oil from other directions. At this moment there is a plan to buid 'Baltic Pipe' which will go from Denmark, we bought LNG from USA and even from Qatar. We bought oil from Iran and Saudi Arabia. We are preventing Russian companies from acquiring strategic or big companies here.
[begin accent] You come heeer, to Poland, and you not Polish? Vee rip you off! You come heeer, to Poland and you ARE Polish? Vee rip you off too! So, you kow, just come heeer, aand vee rip you off! You car is alreddy heeer. [end accent]
Just so you know I'm not anti-Polish at all. I've met nothing but good people from there, and considering the fact that we Czechs don't have a very high regard for any one of our neighbours, including Slovakia, I'd say we hate the Polaks the LEAST. And what I said in my OP above probably applies much better to us than anyone else. Except the part about the cars.
Hmm, I am disappointed with how one sidedly Mr Pisarski described Poland. We would expect so much better from an influential Pole than just to present a bunch of stereotypical cliches and misconceptions to a geopolitical analyst and YT audience. Again, a chance to positively influence an important American figure is lost. Do we really need to wait yet another generation of Poles to shake off this inferiority complex?
I like how Friedman looks like he is cordial and invites guests and still completely owns the conversation with small insights and short, very relevant developments.
Wolf in a sheep's skin
Such a fascinating conversation, thank you for sharing.
What was fascinating about this "conversation"?
I have a Polish Uncle so yes I do know quite a bit about Poland. I must say though that Europeans underestimate Americans and also underestimate Polish people. Right now Poland is in good financial shape because of the Polish people and its leaders. Poland has great potential and we American recognize that potential.
Yeah, polish leaders are so good that they passed a pack of laws that allow the political power to control justice...
In my country, Romania, politicians are trying for a year now to pass the same laws, but we are in the streets every day to put pressure on them to stop and we will enter the Parliament by force and fire them if needed.
I don't know why polish population is so passive, maybe they're tired from working too much.
Gabriel USE You are an ignorant.
Gabriel USE they are simply cleaning juridical sphere of postcommunist cartels. Do you know that even simple case of unpaid invoice can be proceeded by 6 to 18 MONTHS in Poland? They had to do something. Polish (in)justice system was dysfunctional for years, it is great current gov kicks this corrupted nest.
If they did that an nothing more, I guess it's ok.
BUT if they did what Romania's actual Parliament tries to do under the pretext of ,,repairing justice laws", then it's wrong and undemocratic. Here they are trying to place the Justice state power under the control of Parliament. Under the same pretext, the new law here has some bizzare articles which make interest conflicts legal, changing the Penal Code.
Moreover, Poland was given the same warning as Romania about the change in their Justice laws.
Gabriel USE I don't know details (even being Polish myself) but I know that justice system in Poland does not work and it really hurts us. Noone had done anything with that for 20 years. Germany and France are interested in keeping Poland (and rest of Eastern Europe, maybe except Czech) in chaos, that allows them to suck our blood for little longer, we dont care about their threats too much. As one German minister said, most money that Brussels sends to Poland, goes to Germany anyway. They have more to loose.
Fascinating. It was like reading a top notch novel of political intrigue. At the end Friedman mentioned that it was a great convo that no one would understand, but they were so informative, especially Friedman, that one could absorb at least a good part of it even wo knowing much about eastern Europe.
George wise man
George Friedman is intelligent man.
Excellent discussion. Food for the mind.
It's nothing but verbal vomit. Lies and manipulation.
I understand precisely what is being discussed and have been watching the rise of Central Europe ever since the election of our Polish pope and now saint.
First of all! Lech Walesa is the biggest polish hero to the majority of Polish people!
Bold statement... very bold
Small edit na szybko: Great talk, intresting video. When i wrote a comment few years ago I included below suggestions, not editing :P
1. Broader vision than only Russia, US internal and EU (where prep is rly solid)
2. Sexy vision on bilateral cooperation (without getting in the ass too much) for all Intermarium countries. Magnet vision that drives. Rly better make it super sexy magnet.
3. Avoid by all means nativity with George (he is friend but US wont be if see you acting too naive)
4. Intermarium bilateral PR - imagine Litva, Ukraine, Bulgarian, Cortaria, Norway and more (each seperatly) (and more) listening to that. Manage to make all compelled as hell.
5. Top your and all other Pulaski lads game by that spectrum. Was not tragic, it was good on many sides, but underpreperation on others was rly painful.
6. More.
Best wishes, and thank you, good talk.
PS: Still 10 times better than Georges interview with Lithuania's Finance Minister in terms of underpreperation. Jacek Bartosiak was very good, even to good (George seemed shocked by his realism, thinking - is it realism or hidden hostility - was funny to watch)
I'm disappointed. Mr. Pisarski is either unprepared for discussion or just he is not the proper man for this role. He doesn't give direct answers to questions. He is just simulating content. It would be a pleasure to see Mr. Jacek Bartosiak on this chair.
No, he is not. Besides the conference you linked (in which he actually gave me good impression), I know him from other sources, mostly his speeches in Polish.
The only problem is that Friedman will not do this out of his own volition. Bartosiak is agent of chinese influence, and everyone on polish geopolitical scene knows that. Friedman on the other hand represents american influence. Both are engaged-directly or indirectly, knowingly or unkowingly-in information war with polish public on behalf of chiense or americans. Friedman has no interest in interviewing him.
@@Zarrov what chinnese have to do with Bartosiak when he wrote books about past and future actions.
So Mr Pisarski replied to 'What is the reality of Poland of USA?' - 'Yes, we need to trust' (in context of military). As a Polish living among Poles in Poland I can reply: we trust that we have same interests with USA at this time in this area but we don't trust any ally. I'm expressing social emotion not the government agenda (I don't know it). That is why there is strong feeling in society that we need to arm ourselves, spend money on army and prepare to defend alone. Our perspective is that USA may want to help us, but may not be able to because of other engagements and the position of France and Germany. That is why Poland is planning to build new army division in the east and the strategic plan for 2030 is that we need to be able to defect ourselves alone. So at the end - we DON't TRUST - that USA may have means to be our ally. I terms of politicians - I don't really know. Above is the mixture of my readings and discussion with my folks here.
Would have to agree with Rafael, precise questions did not get precise answers.
Listen to this guy...Poles...sigh...
At the risk of showing my being uninformed...... who is Zbigniew Pisarski? I see he founded the Cazimir Pulaski Foundation, but beyond that.....
Jack O. That's exactly what happened here! A Senior tried to give this youngster a chance to show his ability...but he just showed his incapability. So sad! 🤣
@Jack O. Best comment here. He seemed like ready to jump to the US strategy by his answers. Maybe that is why Mr Friedman selected him ?
There is no such thing as energy
independency!! There is only not exclusive dependency!!
How would Poland react if it found out that behind its back Russia and Germany formed an alliance of technology exchange for raw materials? Would Poland at such point feel betrayed and played out for the nth time? How many times does Poland need to see the same movie to realize that good relations mean nothing and self-reliance everything?
It sounds like you're saying that good relations mean a great deal.
the relations ware great between poland and germany, until german chancellor started to invite random people from the middle east to Poland. The ship is sinking, gotta find another one.
Nord Stream is basically that. The doubling of that pipeline, called Nord Stream 2, is a major bone of contention right now.
i keep in mind what countries we talk about ,yeah blue hord dont demand federalisation of naighbour country enymore whics is every normal naighbour duty..but would polax elect somebody for president who s been twice in prison for robbery? in west he wouldnt get even public toilet manager place..poland perform better and dont use tupolev series enymore ,repaired multiple times like one one european great power should...poznan uprise was before prague and budapest ,points for that ...who else is there?madiars,would u trust in hungary? soviets took no hunn prisoners ..romanians made U -turn while marching just like that .partrly it was usa diplomatic effort but yeah..with this attitude israel wouldnt exist enymore ..
Who is Z. Pisarski?
2020 says hello
Usa won ww2, everyone growed behind iron curtain, second language is English, during years everyone who could moved to usa as far away from europe, major banks and financial institutions are in usa, everyone know that in Poland, 10 millions in Usa wich means 1/4 have someone in Poland
Usa won Ww2 because the nazis had to dump soldiers on the Eastern front to fight the russians
I don't agree with Mr Pisarski response to Germany - Russian influence on foreign policy - it's not that simple. There was proposal of foreign minister Radek Sikorski that Germany should take the leadership in EU. So there was some kind of idea of politicians that we should 'go together with Germany'. I think current government doesn't like that idea :) and they see EU as the 'German empire', they want to build more independent foreign policy. But it's only my opinion.
Luxembourg will be the next global superpower.
Reminds me of Tom Lehrer's song "Who's Next?" about the world's growing "nuclear club", "....... Luxembourg is next to go and who knows.... maybe Monaco..... We'll try to stay sirene and calm.... when, ALABAMA gets the bomb....."
Mr Friedman asking about D. Trump visit - despite of the meaningless details Mr Pisarski presented: Polish society is divided similarly to the US one but liberal wing is weaker comparing to US politics. So there are 2 stories: Our government, right-wing and ultra-right wing is very pro Trump. Visit was well received. You need to understand that Intermarium plan is mostly driven by conservatives in Poland. The second story is by liberal wing and mainstream media - they were not completely negative about visit but I wouldn't say it was positive narrative. Liberal part doesn't seem to follow the idea of Intermarium as they (liberals) are looking at Brussels and the project is considered as anti-brussel-centric. In the society - the visit was well received but Trump has a lot of bad press (mostly via MSM). General comments were that was a lot of rhetoric but generally those were 'only words'. Of course we don't know what was discussed between politicians. Polish people (as society) expect some breakthrough from USA (kind of symbolic like moving Poland to no-visa program) - Polish people feel that USA always wanted to take and we don't have anything from that. So current deployment of US Army in Central Europe - Poland including is such symbolic gesture and it's presented by media as such.
Fascinating conversation between two guys completely disconnected from reality.
:)))))
Russia vs Nato - another subject in which Mr Pisarski gave strange answer - 17 to 1? Maybe he could share the result of HQ war games held in Warsaw - January 2017 - his organization organized it - pulaski.pl/en/a-war-game-of-pulaski-foundation-and-potomac-foundation-with-gen-breedloves-participation/
From what I heard it's not that simple, and in war games we would have a decisive battle with Russia on Polish soil so what 17 to 1?
🇹🇷 Will win. Wolga is Turkic.
"Polish paranoia about Russia" - come on, we had 17 wars against them... he really doesn't know what is going on with Intermarium and Central-Eastern Europe. Without Poland there is no Nato in Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.
I don't agree with Mr Pisarski response that 'on the level of society we have good relations with Russia'. I don't know where he takes that opinion from, let me put here some references - www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/09/russias-global-image-negative-amid-crisis-in-ukraine/
Polish people don't like Russia state and policy and that - of course - affects average Joe contact with average Ivan. Believe that if ordinary Polish guy spends some time with Russian, Pole will ask about politics etc. or history. I want to remind this event:
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18409776
On the level of economy, Poland is trying to buy gas and oil from other directions. At this moment there is a plan to buid 'Baltic Pipe' which will go from Denmark, we bought LNG from USA and even from Qatar. We bought oil from Iran and Saudi Arabia. We are preventing Russian companies from acquiring strategic or big companies here.
I travel to russia and don't see any crisis at all
Pisarski is a weasel.
George Friedman is Worm-Tounge
[begin accent]
You come heeer, to Poland, and you not Polish?
Vee rip you off!
You come heeer, to Poland and you ARE Polish?
Vee rip you off too!
So, you kow, just come heeer, aand vee rip you off!
You car is alreddy heeer.
[end accent]
Just so you know I'm not anti-Polish at all. I've met nothing but good people from there, and considering the fact that we Czechs don't have a very high regard for any one of our neighbours, including Slovakia, I'd say we hate the Polaks the LEAST. And what I said in my OP above probably applies much better to us than anyone else. Except the part about the cars.
Hmm, I am disappointed with how one sidedly Mr Pisarski described Poland. We would expect so much better from an influential Pole than just to present a bunch of stereotypical cliches and misconceptions to a geopolitical analyst and YT audience. Again, a chance to positively influence an important American figure is lost. Do we really need to wait yet another generation of Poles to shake off this inferiority complex?
Huh?
Never heard of Pisarski. He isn't influencial Pole even in the wildest stretch of imagination.
The two thugs.