What Are The Fundamentals? Draftsmen S1E04
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มิ.ย. 2019
- Stan and Marshall talk about the fundamentals all artists need to learn to become talented draftsmen. The basic elements of picture making. Stan and Marshall show off their favorite art books. A caller wants to know how he can improve drawing from imagination and Stan’s “thang” is finally something that isn’t from his Amazon Wishlist! Huzzah!!!
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ABOUT DRAFTSMEN
Stan Prokopenko and Marshall Vandruff are art instructors. If you love the arts, particularly the craft of drawing and painting and image-making… and you want to level up your skills or even make a living with your skills, we are here to answer your questions. We’re here to offer you advice, refer you to our resources, share your love of the craft and maybe inspire you! Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff. Subscribe to the podcast at bit.ly/DraftsmenPod
ABOUT PROKO:
Instructional How to Draw videos for artists. My drawing lessons are approachable enough for beginners and detailed enough for advanced artists. My philosophy is to teach timeless concepts in an entertaining way. I believe that when you are having fun, you learn better. I take pride in producing high quality videos that you will enjoy watching and re-watching.
CREDITS:
Hosts - Stan Prokopenko (www.stanprokopenko.com), Marshall Vandruff (www.marshallart.com/)
Production Assistance - Brandon Storer, Sean Ramsey (www.peoplewhodrawstuff.com), Katrina Collins (www.katrinacollins.com)
Editing - Sean Ramsey, Katrina Collins
Audio Engineer - Brandon Storer
Intro Animation - Cody Shank (codyshank.com/)
Music Used with Permission Intro - The Freak Fandango Orchestra
Did we miss anything? Tell us below. Also, what are your favorite Fundamental Drawing Books?
Thank you i needed this and practicing and applying is my greatest challenge
I really like Michel Lauricella’s “Morpho” books, what are your opinions on them?
I would like to understand modern art. A lot of it seems so simple, like anyone could do it. Some of them you wouldn't think were anything special. Why do they sell for so much?
I would add Figure Drawing: Design and Invention by Michael Hampton, Framed Perspective Vol. I & II by Marco Mateu-Mestre (I think these are some of the best and more in depth books on perspective) and also Framed Ink by Marco Mateu-Mestre too.
@@psychiccrocodile3679 that's an art history topic. At best I recommend you study the history of art after the impressionist movement and focus on the vanguard movements.
Also, don't use the term "modern art", the term modern indicates a time period from the 16th to 19th century, that's usually one of the most repeated pedantic argument "supporters" of contemporary art (this is the term you're probably looking) use.
Now if you want a quick and dirty answer, I'd just chalk it up to the fact that value is subjective. Some people like the ideals exposed by the art and artists of "contemporary art".
Thanks for mentioning my books and TH-cam. It's a big honor coming from you two guys. The podcast is great, and you guys are hitting your groove. May I recommend a few other books for fundamentals?: Vanderpoel's figure drawing, Harold Speed's books on Drawing and Painting, Nathan Fowkes' book on portraits, Richard Williams' book on animation, The Illusion of Life by Johnston and Thomas, and Scott Robertson's HOW to DRAW and How to Render.
HI EVERYONE SCROLLING PAST IN THE COMMENT SECTION - you should click on Gurney's channel because his videos and books on color theory are some of the most respected in the industry. Read Gurney's Color and Light, lots of people it call it the textbook they wish they'd had in art school!
Thank you James for the book recommendations. I do have half of them. I love, love Harold Speeds books.
What a delight to be reading comments and then seeing James Gurney recommendations. When I started animating I got Willams' book and it's truly a nugget of gold.
Be well and keep on arting!
Stan, you should pin this comment!
Guess I gotta buy your book now
Marshal: Fundam-
Stan: GESTURE
Dudes tweakin lmao
There's a meme that says:
"Beginners study intermediate,
Intermediates study advanced,
Advanced return to the fundamentals.
Would this in fact be an accurate assessment?
I am not thinking about me as an advanced artist but is true that now, after decades of drawing, I returned to the fundamentals. Would you please share that meme?
Sorry Im late but that is accurate , If you like comics look up the artist that artist they might do life drawing classes every couple weeks to remember human form . If you want a accurate example look up The Dark knight comics
Can we all talk about the fact that marshall doesn't have shoes
I never have shoes on at home either
His shoes are channeling his godly artistic powers
Why is it weird I never understood that western idea of having your shoes on constantly. Shoes are uncomfortable ass hell it is better to not have them on indoors
@@sadimammadov945 It's an American thing really. In most of Europe wearing shoes at someone's house is either somewhat or very rude and offensive, depending on where you are. In a few countries it's acceptable though, especially in western Europe but the majority of people still rock socks.
😂😂
This is my new favorite show. Please don’t stop doing this, ever.
YES! History is more fun as an adult because we aren't trying to memorize battle dates anymore - history is a collection of amazing stories and interesting gossip! lol
Melinda Wolf history is fun in high school
I don't mind it either way.
I just love Marshall Vandruff so much.This guy is such an amazing dude!
and he is barefeet lol
Man this is easily the best art podcast. Super fun and cozy while at the same time packed with tons of wisdom and knowledge.
Please dont stop making these :D
@proko I just wanted to inform you and teachers like you that many students are informed about WHAT the fundementals ARE. But when leaening on your own, figuring out how to learn them is the hardest part. Though reccomending these books is a great help please show us how approach each major category and how to practice them correctly. Many of us practice and learn incorrectly ulitimately leading to wasted time
YESS!!
@@mazinjaleel4720 thank u for supporting my cause! May i ask have u ever had to relearn the fundemantals at any point? Where did you struggle to learn them? Do u have any advice for me cause I'm v ameteur lol
Aspen Bluu i dont think i relearned any fundamentals..bcos i am still going through prepective,shapes,values and all..But every time i learn i m like “is this the right way to learn” “ am i learning wrong”..😂..And as for advice..im not the person trust me..But good luck with your art
@@mazinjaleel4720 OMG SAMMMEEE ugh dude im always wondering wtf im doing and it's painful! I'm doing drawabox rn and wanna get some of these books but i get so demotivated cause i can't apply what I'm learning and snbehs frustration
Aspen Bluu right now i do figure drawing and study values..But how do you learn values? In one of anthony jones’ video he says copying from any masters work is not the way to learn...rather he asks to study by analysis....Man this is hella hard!!!
Proko, the mischievous anarchist, Marshall, the optimistic intellectual, together it works, lol 👌
I don't think Proko is much of an anarchist. He just likes playing devil's advocate.
Fundamentals Flowchart - 4:19
James Gurney’s Blog - 20:08
Marshal’s Review Site - 20:40
This is exactly what I needed. I'm completely self taught when it comes to drawing. However I've hit a wall in my development. Biggest reason is that I lack the fundamentals. It's something I wanted to work on but didn't know where to start. Having a roadmap helps so much.
I rarely ever like or comment on a video because I'm not super interested in participating in TH-cam, but you guys are really awesome and have given me the confidence to draw again.
When I was a kid, I was that kid getting in trouble for drawing all the time, and all I wanted to do was draw. But I was so self-conscious, I never nurtured that and by my late teens I was discouraged by seeing how my drawing ability had almost regressed since childhood and dropped the pencil for nearly a decade.
I'm starting again, and you guys have changed my life for the better--there's a cathardic feeling in even my bad drawings because I know with every page I improve thanks to the principles and instructions that you guys have put forth.
Thankssssss
Man I am *living* for these thumbnails
I just love the chaotic intro's, you guy's are hilariously funny, great show.
Alla Prima by Richard Schmid is such a beautiful book. Even if you don't want to learn how to paint the book it is so well written that you just will enjoy it as literature. It is amazing the level of passion Schmid has for painting and for teaching how to paint. I think I read the whole book more than five times over the years and sometimes I even cry at the end. You are right the approach is more for people who wants to paint from reality and not from imagination but nevertheless it has a bunch of technical tips and I think everyone should read it. Great episode. Thanks for sharing.
holy shit it's like $200 lol. sounds rad though
This podcast is great! Proko and Marshall have a good rapport and conversational style. BUT, if you want to release extra long unedited versions to allow for Marshall's tangents, I'll watch both every time!
I really like drawing while listening to these podcasts
I gotta admit - the scientific terms are intimidating to me!! ETA - Haha, Marshall is right that it's overwhelming to hear! I'm happy that you have him on this podcast; Stan seems more scientific while Marshall breaks things down in creative and metaphorical terms that I feel I can understand better.
haven't watched you in months... Man I'm so glad you made this podcast you and Marshall make the best combo in the game.
Draw Fu by Luis Escobar, he learned from old school Disney dudes. His goal was to break fundamentals down so a child could understand it, and it has the message of hard work over talent and the importance of fundamentals.
The Frazetta learning anatomy in one night has been widely taken out of context by pretty much everyone now. He said that to illustrate how niave he was as a younger artist during the 40s, not to boast about anything-its not possible to learn anatomy in one night. And it was Ralph Mayo (an art director) not Ralph Bakshi who loaned him the Bridgman book. Check out the Frazetta Icon book, the story is mentioned in there.
For this - I am sorry. I was reckless to perpetuate an ill-founded story, especially in a public forum. Forgive me, Arnie and Cathy Fenner, for neglecting what you so responsibly documented. Danny - thank you for setting it straight.
Season 2 will begin on April 7 and on it’s own TH-cam channel… Be sure to subscribe!
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Thank you guys for so much knowledge! Really anxious about this series!
You're amazing, very good video for anyone starting out with art, who needs an art school with you around making great paid and free courses, recommeding books and most importantly telling the audience what they need to learn, just amazing.
I'm working my way through "Fun with a Pencil" now.
I feel like Marshall's best subtlest jokes fly right over Stan's head. And I love it.
I LOVE THIS PODCAST!!!... DON'T YOU GUYS EVER STOP!!!!
Talking about Bridgeman was probably the key take away for me. His influence of Frazetta, and both of your respect for him.
I had bought the complete Bridgeman sight unseen a couple years ago because of how many mouths his name came out of. And when it arrived, I hated it. I was so annoyed that it could be passed off as instruction. Now, a couple years later, having studied some anatomy and shape and proportion, the book is now very much an instruction manual, and every time I work from it, just copying the pages which I could barely decipher before, I'm better. Everything I do moving forward is just a little bit better.
I would say that you guys forgot Vanderpoel. Entirely too dry to read, but if you just copy what he layed out, you're benefitted greatly. And in a way that Bridgeman or Vilppu don't teach.
Marshall is such a legend. And Stan is like a monster mixed with so many artist. Thanks Proko Team!
I know this an old episode- but just wanted to say thanks for these.
Im a Motion graphics artist/Television producer.
Realized that the hole in my skillset and something that is holding me back is my lack of drawing skills and understanding of drawing/illustrations.
About 7 months ago started with the basics of Proko from TH-cam (as I am also now living from work I do on TH-cam- the future is weird)
And it's been an immense help.
These podcasts have been essential in helping me 'see the mountain' as ive never had any kind of training, schooling or even basics of drawing whatsoever.
Not only are they useful for me as im VERY slowly developing my skills, but seeing your technical "show" progress has been motivating for me as another professional in addition to just the art techniques.
Thanks for these and your work.
-Stanislaw Luberda
I love Marshall. Sorry Proko.
Same here, proko is so inmature.
@@rewrose2838
I love them both!
@@klion3007 he's so not 😂
@@klion3007 Nah. He just comes across that way because his very first instinct is to challenge everything. At least that's how it comes across to me.
It's not at all a bad thing- it can be frustrating to others, but by challenging everything you come away with a better understanding of them.
@TomG Gabin
God damn right soldier!
You guys were so on point with Bridgman. It does helped a lot alot and offered so many epiphanies after I completed the first or second round of anatomy study. Thanks for constantly recommending the book. Also, one of Proko's older videos on how to study Bridgman(if I remember correctly, the critique one) was also very enlightening. It would be wonderful if Stan can create more videos on how to use Bridgman book!!!
PS., today's podcast was awesome! Thank you guys for making these high-quality content!!!
The Proco course was my first contact with the Fundamentals. Never cared much about books, somehow they don't work for me. What does made my mind click though are the Proco critique videos, for me thats pure gold!
I never had a proper introduction into drawing and sometimes I feel all I've learned is kinda "broken" and now I need to correct it.
But I got so used to the way I draw that it keeps creeping back in my work and I have to go back to the lessons all the time.
Marshall smiles all the time and this is the cutest thing ever
I resonate with caring about history more as I get older, I'm only 32 but find art history so much more interesting now than when first introduced in highschool. Love you Marshall lol
True masters never lose sight of the fundamentals:
"Gentlemen ... this is a football".
- Vince Lombardi.
You guys are creating the best part of TH-cam. Thanks for your sharing and hard work!
Holy moly thats my question! Thanks for the helpful suggestions, I plan to go stay motivated and keep pushing forward
First time listening to a podcast for art and I'm loving it. 👍🏼💖
that was the best art talk i have listened on youtube. Thank you so much
Loved this and needed it just for clarity as a guy with a 2 y.o. Who hasn’t drawn since before high school. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Oh yay another episode!!! Make this format last forever :D
Thank you very much Proko! :) Loving this podcast!
i love this podcasts, can see them everytime of the day
"And you'd be in debt."
You should definitely do an episode on the 4 year art university. I know its a whole can of worms to open but it's an important topic imho.
yeah that would be great!!!
never get tired of you guys, man!
Their thumbnails and intros are a artistic genre on its own.
The podcast was really good ,thank you 🙏🏻
For not caring about history, Stan knows a ton of artists and styles! We definitely develop more appreciation for history as we get older and dive deeper into a subject. “Those that do not learn from history are bound to repeat it” is that how that saying goes? No reason to reinvent the wheel. I think the names just do some justice and pay homage to the person that sacrificed their life for the evolution of the art/science/etc.
If you wanna draw from imagination, it's imporant to also build a good Visual library, isnt it? I think kim jung gi, drew so much that he got such a great visual library, right?
yes. My take-away from Kim Jung Gi's experiences is that he viewed the world around him in a manner that really paid attention to all the little details and composition of everything. So then he would draw whatever was on his mind, if it was something from earlier in his day, he would draw it a ton. In a ton of different perspectives. And this way, he could truly learn the anatomy of every object he drew, and be able to form and mold it to his liking. This is why he is so good. He has a vast visual library that took years and years of building and searching.
Things to do to get better:
Take your time to really look at the world around you, look at something for what its made of, and not the fact that its just an object sitting upon a plane of existence. Even if you can't remember everything when you see it before-hand, or draw it remotely good for the time being, it is still a good practice to start because it will help later with your spatial awareness when you are good. It will become more natural to take in the world through the eyes of one seeking detail.
Another thing, practice the fundamentals. Try not to get frustrated, take breaks when you do, then get right back to work. Try to find practices that will help strengthen understanding over that fundamental or subject. And most importantly: draw, draw, draw!!
This is a great point. I have tons of reference archived in some oneNote notebooks
@@anzatzi Store it in your mind
Thank you so much, you answer this question just at the right moment. 👌
wow, marshall nailed it with the history talk
I surely can relate to Proko, I know way less than art history than I know about perspective
but what marshall said about being hunger for other flavours is right on
the past is the only source of juice for creativity, all that's ever being done is in the past
think of all those references and inspiration that are new for everyone who did not live in that time
Love you guys! So fun to listen and learn.
I have never been so excited for a podcast before
9:52 That cut was so obvious. I bet Proko made a dirty joke about it and fixed it in post lol
oh he totally did
I very much doubt that you guys will see this comment, but I think that not only the quality of the podcast itself but the quality of the information your giving us can greatly improve with maybe a picture or video of that certain technique/style/topic etc you guys talk about through out. seeing an example while having you guys explain that certain thing I think would be extremely helpful
"yeah but I could join in and say I agree, those are my thang too" Killin' me marshall, the dude of the draftsmen
When you mention art history [ 11:45 ] I remembered something from my own journey: For me history got very intriguing when I connected art, mathmatics, society, literature, science and so forth -- and put it all together. Connecting those dots was amazing. I did it for my final exams at school and chose to take the impressionists. It blew my mind (some inspiration below).
Also: I lost my fear of not knowing all the facts by heart. Since then I've been trying to learn WERE TO FIND deeper information as I need to dive into it. I try to master being a generalist rather then a specialist or expert. That took all the pressure off and I started actually enjoying things, especially learning new things. Concerning history: It makes me humble and I grew a little more mature.
Furthermore I also learned to develop my own opinion on things, which frees me to believe what others say. In other words: It's enlightenment. As Immanuel Kant said: "Englightenment is man's leaving his self-caused immaturity. Immaturity is the incapacity to use one's intelligence without the guidance of another. Such immaturity is self-caused if it is not caused by lack of intelligence, but by lack of determination and courage to use one's intelligence without being guided by another. Sapere Aude! Have the courage to use your own intelligence! is therefore the motto of the englightenment."
The variety I chose to get to know the impressionists and time they lived in:
ARTs - Claude Monet, Édouard Manets, Max Liebermann //
Photography: Gaspard-Félix Tournachon (Nadar) //
MUSIC: Claude Debussy (e.g. La Mer or Printemps), Maurice Ravel (e.g. Boléro), John Ireland (e.g. Downland Suite), Cyril Scott (who not only was a musician but also furniture maker, writer and many more) //
LITERATURE: Arthur Schnitzler (1862-1931)
, Hugo von Hofmannsthal (1874-1929), Stefan Zweig (1881-1942), Rainer Maria Rilke (1875-1926) - to name only my favourite german ones ;-); Marcel Proust (1871-1922), Arthur Rimbaud (1854-1891, who also has been a business man and adventurer), Antonín Sova (1864-1928), Herman Bang (1857-1912, who also was a journalist) //
SCIENCE: Michel Eugène Chevreul (colour theory), John Goffe Rand (colours that allowed to paint open air), or else: 1890: The british film pionier Wordsworth Donisthorpe records with his Kinesigraph the first moving pictures at London Trafalgar Square. 1895: movie screening by brothers Lumière, 1898: Pierre and Marie Curie discover Radium. 1895: Alfred Nobel wills in his testament the foundation of the Nobel Prizes for physics, chemestry, physiology or medical science and literature. Furthermore every year there should be someone awarded, who renders outstanding services to brotherhood of nations, disbanding or reducing armies and further establishes freedom.//
SOCIETY: 1860 ... 1890 ... 1920 Europe enjoys increasing wealth. The world wide trade peaks as well as intercontinental migration. Especially the USA are profiting from that and climbs to be the mightest economic power. Imperialism, sense of mission and rassism add to amplification of colonialism, to which also the new big player Japan takes part. On international level nationalism stimulates state-controlled self-intrests and increases mistrust. Germany is driven into isolation with regard to foreign affairs. The end of the epoch is of course also influenced by world war I and the interwar period.//
SPORTS: 1891: The first ever Basketball game takes place on the basis of 13 rules, James Naismith developed. On initiative of Senda Berenson Abbott 1893 the first Basketball game for women takes place.
If you put all this in perspective you get a broader image and a better feel for arts as well. Can you see it? Can you feel it?
Look at that my new favorite show.
Another long night of animating. Thanks for always helping me pull through the night
I love Vilppu's Drawing Manual! ❤
I like this channel it helps me with understanding art & it helps me with my music to bring visual pictures to story tell in my music
enjoying these proko - keep it up!
Thank you for getting me inspired to draw and to pursue my dreams again :) you have earned a sub
one of my favorite fundamentals books is Classical Human Anatomy in Motion by Valerie L. Winslow
I can't tell you how many times I've opened up that book for reference!
Marshall is like effortlessly funny. Some of his facial expressions... and then when I saw he wasn't wearing shoes I died. I'm probably the only one though.
Love these. Never stop
Thank you guys. Enjoyed it.
The thing I think that gets missed is that your fundamentals don't all make sense at once. Learning is not a linear process. We gather bits and pieces of information into ever more complete wholes. What we learn in completely different subjects influences and cements our understandings of other areas; cross-training is key.
love this series!
Lmao "I don't wanna hear what you bought on Amazon this week "
i was so sad that this was from 2019 and we rae in 2020 in quarntine still waiting the next episode
you did a grate work please continue
Proko you know a lot of the fundamental academic stuff, you're a good teacher, and you're also funny (sometimes.. sometimes you're a bit of a brat hahaha :D sorry!)... Marshal has the kind of wisdom that only the years of experience in work and in life can bring.. (a great calm voice, btw) he also knows some art history, the classic masters an all, and he's a great art teacher and a great communicator! So, in general, you guys compliment each other pretty well, you're both great people, your classes and these podcasts are great, so thank you both SO MUCH for all the precious things you do and teach us!!!
i always have defined the fundamentals on the list: 1.perspective 2.light 3. figure 4.color
I'm going to really enjoy the learning process you have. I enjoy learning the fundamentals of art. It takes me back to class at the Art Institute of Indianapolis 🎨🖼️📚🖋️✏️📏📐
I got excited for these courses.
wow, this is like the best starting point for budding artists.
Im loosing my mind how great this podcast/vidcast is!!
Thank you, great podcast, very helpful
i love Marshall's thang. can't wait to see what's he got next
my fav book so far is Michael Hampton's Figure Drawing. pretty sure a lot of ppl mention it. Another is not a fundamental book but artbooks by KRENZ. he compiled some of his studies and it helps me a lot
Great episode, once again. I could listen to you guys without end. Make it a daily podcast already!!!! XDDD
Some of the books i have are Framed Ink: Drawing and Composition for Visual Storytellers, Jack Hamm series of books, Urban Sketching: The Complete Guide to Techniques and Perspective Made Easy
you guys are so fun together
I enjoy this series a lot, hope you guys will keep up with it. The topics are interesting and really helpful too, I wonder if you guys have any plans to have guest artists over at some point but either way I'm looking forward to more episodes.
One specific mentor? That's proko for me. I just love him.
Love the podcast guys!
An episode that focuses on master copies would be great! Great talk this time, as well.
I LOVE THESE SO MUCH!!!! thanks :))
Listening to this while i draw feels like meditation
When Proko becomes the center of the world, will there be the option of tutoring? Love the podcasts!
My favorite Fundamental anatomy book is "Basic Human Anatomy" the Figure by Roberto Osti. The second one is Drawing Atelier the figure by Jon DeMartin. I also loved reading " The revenge of Thomas Eakins" by Sidney D Kirkpatrick. Great research of an awesome artist.
As a fundamentals book, I like Jack Hamm's "Drawing the Head & Figure." It's from the early 60's so his drawings look very dated but the book is very easy to read and instructive on human proportion.
Sugar & Spike, Sheldon Mayer's creation, utilizes the language of children. Children talk in their own language that they understand but grownups have no clue. My favorite comic of early years. I wrote Sheldon Mayer to ask about drawing. He was gracious enough to write back to this 11 year old to express pretty much what you guys say. Enjoy your learning and draw from life. It was a thrill for this child back then that a grownup took the time to answer my childish questions.
when you guys did that slow zoomout of all the basics getting broken down, it was a bit mindblowing to say the least o.O
Hey guys! Im just here to tell I love your work!
Plan from day one has been to use the podcast to hype up the proko art courses venture XD
At the moment I'm studying Drawing on the right side of the brain by Betty Edwards! It's been interesting and fantastic, half way through and planning on revisiting through the book again and get everything down. I've also bookmarked some of the books mentioned in this podcast that were particularly interesting! More teachers the merrier.
Give me at least 1 hour and half of this.
1 and a half hours of this?
Even I don't know anymore