It would be interesting. I feel like it might not be not such a good idea. Proko and Marshall complement each other so well. A third person with a strong personality like Jeff might throw them off balance.
😂 I was scrolling looking for this comment. For someone who doesnt know what the method is, this explained almost, literally, nothing Fun to listen to nonetheless but it’s funny
Two fabulous artists and instructors. So talented and generous with their knowledge & skills. (Back off A.I.! No room for you, yet!). I’ve been doing Watts Atelier on-line program since last Fall. Excellent! Makes you feel you’re having a one-on-one experience with Jeff! I’m learning so much! Taking Sculpting, etc through Proko - the best! I could listen to Jeff and Stan (and Marshall) everyday. Love the podcasts. So inspiring. (Bring on the 1,000 monkeys!) Thank you, thank you!
On AI: it's a lot easier to dismiss it as a threat if you are already very established as an art authority with a comfortable income stream. It's a much bigger threat to new artists, especially those selling digital work.
Hi. I randomly stumbled across an episode of Draftsmen the other day, and listening to you two instantly re-kindled my love for drawing after years of depression and anxiety trying to make a living out of creative work. I cannot believe I was unaware of you before. I just want to say thank you for taking the time to record these!
Thanks Proko, one of the best episode of the Draftsmen Podcast. This one I really took my time listening and digesting. I would rewind again and again to understand what Mr Watts said. So pack that I had plan my time to listen to it, part by part rather than just making it background noise. Thanks Proko!
1:08:10 I do excuse me, Proko, but I must beg to disagree, but AI may and/or might be dominant in the movie industry today and/or tomorrow, but there’s one thing AI and that industry can’t and shall not do, HEART AND SOUL, IN REAL ARTWORK! Thanks, and have a greater Mother’s Day for you and your Mom.
Great episode. I love it when you guys get people to interview or talk to. Really allows a shift in perspective. Hope to see more episodes, you guys rock.
Jeff's approach resonantes with me very much. I have been always wondering about these things and feeling them when I'm drawing. This is what I've been interested in for some years.
Great discussion. The Riely method fascinates me and for the figure in particular, it opens up a lot of doors, however for portraits I find a lot the lines distracting and unnecessary but it is a really fun method for thinking about the forms of the face.
Jeff Watts is my favorite art instructor, and I'm so happy to ear from him about his personal development as an artist, he reached a spiritual level of artistry and I'm so glad he acknowlegede It the way he does. What a life, what a journey as an artist, I can't wait to see what will come next
I really think just like Jeff watts exp. with color! I always tell poeple that I paint with my gut and not with my brain. this is awesome. I have to look into this more. thanks for a great podcast
Thank you very much for exposing us to such a new and talented artist, and I really did enjoy this episode of the draftsmen podcast. I do miss Marshall and hope he's doing good.
I teach 10 kids how to draw comics, they are 10-14 years old, 5 girls, 5 boys. We draw on paper with pencil and fineliners. We eat snacks, listen to music, sing along, love laugh our asses off when we do comic jams. They are all exactly like my brother and me 40 years ago, sitting at the kitchen table drawing comics in the 80´s. Some things don´t change and make you forget about A.I.
47:49 Kinda wish Jeff would talk more about trauma and being your true-self from self-healing, because it speaks to me a lot and I just made a sudden realisation that trauma was making it so hard for me to draw
Now we need an episode with Marhsall, Jeff and Stan talking about.... whatever! Maybe how the AI thousand monkeys would link up via quantum singularity?
Was lucky enough to learn from Jeff, Stan, and Erik back in 2011 at Watts! I remember him talking about starting a website platform back then and could’ve had no idea it would become like this. And to comment on what Jeff talks about here 32:41 - going to Watts was the first time I experienced a high level art environment, where everyone, especially the teachers, were at an astronomically high level. That made such a huge difference in my motivation to learn. For young people who whose parents dont understand what you want to do or those stuck with teachers who do work that don’t inspire, seek out and do whatever you can to pay for good instruction. It will change everything.
This was such a great episode. (though I missed you Marshall!) Thank you Jeff for sharing your wisdom and insight with the next generation of artists. I have loved learning from you, and this interview was so on point with answering so many of my own questions on art culture and what it means to be a creator in the market today.
For the Reilly method i really like the "mastering drawing the human figure from life , memory, imagination " by jack faragasso he not only learned from frank Reilly but also worked with him and thought the mothods for over 30 years
honestly Jeff's opinion on AI doesn't matter in the least as long as AI uses mass scraped non-consensual data and art, people are mad that their entire life work is being stolen for something that is replacing them as we speak, once the ethics of it get solved and we start seeing ethically sourced AI, then everything Jeff said about AI could be right
It's really weird hearing this man talk about Frank Reilly's method and in the same breath saying you can't successfully use a mathematical approach to color. A good chunk of The Elements of Painting goes over exactly this. When I first read it, an 11 value scale was revolutionary to me. He was multiplying and adding values like Photoshop layers back in the 60s. He had methods for tone mapping and exposure. Now with things like BSDFs and lighting equations there are so many ways you could extend the methods he pioneered. It doesn't have to be that complex, but it is solid framework in the otherwise subjective fields of color and values. If you are going to springboard off his ideas and reduce his curriculum to "rhythm", why call it the Reilly method and not the Watts method? It's already hard enough to track down info on his ideas without the competing namespace.
What’s up draftsmen, I miss the regular uploads. I have a question about letting go of your older and unsatisfactory work. Since 2021 when I started drawing again, I’ve been extremely productive, to the point that holding on to all my drawings and doodles is beginning to border on horsing disorder. I have four large containers of drawings, doodles and paintings and only about 10% are worth keeping and 2-5% are worth showing to another human being. I realise I will have to dump them eventually but the sentimental value is preventing me from doing that and actually causing me a bit of anxiety. How do you learn to let go?
I would really like to hear a episode where they talk about meaning of art, fine art that isn't related to illustrative, decorative nature of art. I did see a few times Stans lack of Art history knowlage that Marshall had to explain. Or myb its a topic that isn't idk for the general audience
I love these discussions. Jeff is very energetic and inspiring. I have to be honest, for me the Reilly method is a bit limiting, especially when it comes to figure invention. It is great for copying what's in front of you, but it's heavy emphasis on abstracting everything into flat shapes can be a bit stilting. I take the rhythms ideas of Reilly and combine them with constructive sculptural classic method (like Vilppu's way) for the best of both worlds. BTW, I totally agree with Jeff's take on color: it is far more intuitive than people realize.
Wasn’t Reilly a student of Bridgeman and Burne Hogarth was a student of Reilly or something like that? I know there’s some kind of connection, where the construction methods flow from one group and then probably that original influence came from Davinci’s work.
Yeah, all those famous artists are kinda connected. Even Loomis is in there somewhere. Not to mention that Jeff was taught by someone who was Reilly's student.
I can see where master watts coming from when it comes to color, studying and rellying too much on color theory,wheel and charts can put you in a box where you dont try unique combinations or be more expressive with it
Yeah Hahaha. It was funny watching Stan trying to pull it back . He's like whoa whoa wait a minute. Also i remember him saying that he's in that Camp that had to learn to draw the technical way. He looked a little dishearten, and i felt bad.
One possible path this might take is that AIs will become personalised (run locally on your computer) to the point where you can feed all of your art into it, and it will help create new pieces. Meanwhile, publicly available AIs must only use art with permission (except for long dead artists) in their databases, and share royalties with artists in kind.
i haven't watched this podcast in so long and just now i was overwhelmed and stressed until i clicked on an episode... immediately felt better and calm 💖
Great podcasts, as always from draftsman podcast. 1:05:38 do you guys have an idea who they are talking about. I genuinely want to see the collaborative work/result of ai and pro artists that work in industry. Just curious, that's all :>
The stuff I'm talking about is mostly concept art for movies and games that have not been released. You wouldn't find it online yet. During a hype cycle all the early stuff you see is low quality from people that do something quickly with low effort.
Hope you enjoyed this special episode! To learn more about Reilly Rhythms check out Jeff’s course on Proko - www.proko.com/s/W1Tq
Please another podcast
Man Marshall sure has been working out and gotten a lot stockier
You've heard of Marshall Art, now get ready for Martial Art.
Martial Vanbuff
It always brings me happiness to see new episode of Draftsmen podcast. Thank you. 👍
Same. Welp, see you in 4 months!
@@Dookie_Blaster 4 months? Now that's optimism XD
Now I want marshall, Stan and Jeff in one of the podcast episodes!!
Right?! That would be amazing!
It would be interesting. I feel like it might not be not such a good idea. Proko and Marshall complement each other so well. A third person with a strong personality like Jeff might throw them off balance.
There is no great resource on the Reilly method, and this podcast episode is no exception.
😂 I was scrolling looking for this comment. For someone who doesnt know what the method is, this explained almost, literally, nothing
Fun to listen to nonetheless but it’s funny
Yes, exactly. I did a couple of months of Watts online and none of the videos I watched explained it at all.
what do u think of jack faragasso's book
Two fabulous artists and instructors. So talented and generous with their knowledge & skills. (Back off A.I.! No room for you, yet!). I’ve been doing Watts Atelier on-line program since last Fall. Excellent! Makes you feel you’re having a one-on-one experience with Jeff! I’m learning so much! Taking Sculpting, etc through Proko - the best! I could listen to Jeff and Stan (and Marshall) everyday. Love the podcasts. So inspiring. (Bring on the 1,000 monkeys!) Thank you, thank you!
Jeff is a master. Huge influence. Got so many people started. Respect.
Whoa 90 minutes of picking Jeff’s brain? This is a gem of an episode
I loved the ending, the chat was between uplifting, scary, inspiring. A true rollercoaster of emotions
On AI: it's a lot easier to dismiss it as a threat if you are already very established as an art authority with a comfortable income stream. It's a much bigger threat to new artists, especially those selling digital work.
Have Jeff on more often, please.
Also, never get rid of your chairs!
Hi. I randomly stumbled across an episode of Draftsmen the other day, and listening to you two instantly re-kindled my love for drawing after years of depression and anxiety trying to make a living out of creative work. I cannot believe I was unaware of you before. I just want to say thank you for taking the time to record these!
This is amazing. Jeff is the man when it comes down to the breakdown to any skill set of art. Thanks so much. 👍🇺🇸
This format where you interview another artist in the studio is so good to watch (and hear), would love to see more of this. Anyone with me?
I'm soo glad I didn't turn off my notifications... Let's go Proko and Buff Marshall❤🔥
After eight months of nothing?
Thanks Proko, one of the best episode of the Draftsmen Podcast.
This one I really took my time listening and digesting. I would rewind again and again to understand what Mr Watts said. So pack that I had plan my time to listen to it, part by part rather than just making it background noise.
Thanks Proko!
always excited to see a fresh draftsmen ep :)
This is one of my favorite episodes yet, Jeff is such a great teacher
1:08:10 I do excuse me, Proko, but I must beg to disagree, but AI may and/or might be dominant in the movie industry today and/or tomorrow, but there’s one thing AI and that industry can’t and shall not do, HEART AND SOUL, IN REAL ARTWORK!
Thanks, and have a greater Mother’s Day for you and your Mom.
Thank you for uploading. Thank you Stan for bringing Jeff!
I CAN'T BELIEVE MY EYES!! NEW DRAFTSMEN PODCAST EPISODE!!!
Great episode. I love it when you guys get people to interview or talk to. Really allows a shift in perspective. Hope to see more episodes, you guys rock.
Jeff's approach resonantes with me very much.
I have been always wondering about these things and feeling them when I'm drawing.
This is what I've been interested in for some years.
Great discussion. The Riely method fascinates me and for the figure in particular, it opens up a lot of doors, however for portraits I find a lot the lines distracting and unnecessary but it is a really fun method for thinking about the forms of the face.
You don’t really have to draw in the lines I just hover my hand over to see where everything is placed. It’s like Jeff said its a gps system
These two men are such an inspiration to me! Thank you for this wonderful interview. Many priceless nuggets… artistic and spiritual.
Jeff Watts is my favorite art instructor, and I'm so happy to ear from him about his personal development as an artist, he reached a spiritual level of artistry and I'm so glad he acknowlegede It the way he does. What a life, what a journey as an artist, I can't wait to see what will come next
I really think just like Jeff watts exp. with color! I always tell poeple that I paint with my gut and not with my brain. this is awesome. I have to look into this more. thanks for a great podcast
One of the best Draftsmen you guys have done it.
Wow, nice that you guys are back, love to hear to Jefferson Wattselier and Stanivlav Prokopepenko talking about art, what a delight.
Thank you very much for exposing us to such a new and talented artist, and I really did enjoy this episode of the draftsmen podcast. I do miss Marshall and hope he's doing good.
@@charnich ah I see! That's good to hear, can't wait for it to be completed
It's great seeing Jeff Watts, always insightful
This is absolutely fascinating. Their thought processes and vocabulary really highlight how masterful these guys are.
Appreciate you doing the video and continuing the podcast, hearing Jeff talk about art principles was insightful
I teach 10 kids how to draw comics, they are 10-14 years old, 5 girls, 5 boys. We draw on paper with pencil and fineliners. We eat snacks, listen to music, sing along, love laugh our asses off when we do comic jams. They are all exactly like my brother and me 40 years ago, sitting at the kitchen table drawing comics in the 80´s. Some things don´t change and make you forget about A.I.
😍😭 oml you're back and with Jeff Watts?!? Hell ye!!
Still need Marshall back in my life tho ❤ miss you Marshall!
Great episode very thought provoking
47:49 Kinda wish Jeff would talk more about trauma and being your true-self from self-healing, because it speaks to me a lot and I just made a sudden realisation that trauma was making it so hard for me to draw
Loved this one. Jeff's philosophical and spiritual approach along with Stan's technical and analytical thinking makes a very interesting experience.
What a beautiful surprise! Wish marshal was here aswell
Now we need an episode with Marhsall, Jeff and Stan talking about.... whatever! Maybe how the AI thousand monkeys would link up via quantum singularity?
Was lucky enough to learn from Jeff, Stan, and Erik back in 2011 at Watts! I remember him talking about starting a website platform back then and could’ve had no idea it would become like this.
And to comment on what Jeff talks about here 32:41 - going to Watts was the first time I experienced a high level art environment, where everyone, especially the teachers, were at an astronomically high level. That made such a huge difference in my motivation to learn. For young people who whose parents dont understand what you want to do or those stuck with teachers who do work that don’t inspire, seek out and do whatever you can to pay for good instruction. It will change everything.
Attended Watts around that time myself, I can attest to this
Watts is a treasure.
It's like Christmas for my brain. This was so awesome!
upon watching this i felt the call of my destiny!
I love this man!
This was such a great episode. (though I missed you Marshall!) Thank you Jeff for sharing your wisdom and insight with the next generation of artists. I have loved learning from you, and this interview was so on point with answering so many of my own questions on art culture and what it means to be a creator in the market today.
For the Reilly method i really like the "mastering drawing the human figure from life , memory, imagination " by jack faragasso he not only learned from frank Reilly but also worked with him and thought the mothods for over 30 years
Please make more and more Draftsmen podcast clips.
Jeff needs a podcast for sure!!
Awesome interview 💯
Great session
Hahaha Its fun watching Stan teasing Jeffs, hilarious episode.
Jeff is the man dude!!
honestly Jeff's opinion on AI doesn't matter in the least as long as AI uses mass scraped non-consensual data and art, people are mad that their entire life work is being stolen for something that is replacing them as we speak, once the ethics of it get solved and we start seeing ethically sourced AI, then everything Jeff said about AI could be right
I agree - we are in its artificial infancy now. Give it ten years and well see what is happening.
Jeff is a national treasure
"Stan, you gotta up level for this interviews..." that's real advice. You better do it!!
Yeeess another draftsmen episode! Need more!
It's really weird hearing this man talk about Frank Reilly's method and in the same breath saying you can't successfully use a mathematical approach to color. A good chunk of The Elements of Painting goes over exactly this. When I first read it, an 11 value scale was revolutionary to me. He was multiplying and adding values like Photoshop layers back in the 60s. He had methods for tone mapping and exposure. Now with things like BSDFs and lighting equations there are so many ways you could extend the methods he pioneered. It doesn't have to be that complex, but it is solid framework in the otherwise subjective fields of color and values.
If you are going to springboard off his ideas and reduce his curriculum to "rhythm", why call it the Reilly method and not the Watts method? It's already hard enough to track down info on his ideas without the competing namespace.
This was amazing
Bring the Podcast Back
Okay! You convinced us!
@@Draftsmen LETS GOOO 🙌🏼
I use the Reilly method and find it superior determining foreshortening a figure
We need a trio. Marshall and Jeff and Stan
neat show
I like that! "Advanced Fundamentals" 🤔
I would love another podcast with Jeff & Marshall together!
What’s up draftsmen, I miss the regular uploads. I have a question about letting go of your older and unsatisfactory work. Since 2021 when I started drawing again, I’ve been extremely productive, to the point that holding on to all my drawings and doodles is beginning to border on horsing disorder. I have four large containers of drawings, doodles and paintings and only about 10% are worth keeping and 2-5% are worth showing to another human being. I realise I will have to dump them eventually but the sentimental value is preventing me from doing that and actually causing me a bit of anxiety. How do you learn to let go?
This was great
Once you learn about rhythms, you start seeing it everywhere man, like tha matrix.
when are they going to be back? i wish we could have thid podcast every week honestely
I would really like to hear a episode where they talk about meaning of art, fine art that isn't related to illustrative, decorative nature of art. I did see a few times Stans lack of Art history knowlage that Marshall had to explain. Or myb its a topic that isn't idk for the general audience
I still actively create/build my a morgue files. It’s a great tool and fun exercise
I love these discussions. Jeff is very energetic and inspiring. I have to be honest, for me the Reilly method is a bit limiting, especially when it comes to figure invention. It is great for copying what's in front of you, but it's heavy emphasis on abstracting everything into flat shapes can be a bit stilting. I take the rhythms ideas of Reilly and combine them with constructive sculptural classic method (like Vilppu's way) for the best of both worlds. BTW, I totally agree with Jeff's take on color: it is far more intuitive than people realize.
Believe it or not I was eating some enchiladas when I was hearing this podcast! :D
When is the next episode of Draftsmen coming out?
MORE DRAFTSMEN LET'S GO
Amazing ❤
The connectedness, monkeys, quantum physics at the end was both funny and some real shit. I bet it's a pleasure to study at Watts
1:19:48 one of the turns of conversation ever.
Does Jeff cover how to apply the Reilly Method to other objects besides the human figure in his course?
Nice talk, thanks❤
9:25 Riley Method
How did Marshall get buff and younger?
I just watched your older episode, am i to old to draw from season one, i already watched this two times in the taxi and once at home 😂❤
Has Draftsmen ended? :'( Is there going to be a new episode soon?
I wish Marshall was there too, that've been so interesting
Damn Marshall you changed
Wasn’t Reilly a student of Bridgeman and Burne Hogarth was a student of Reilly or something like that? I know there’s some kind of connection, where the construction methods flow from one group and then probably that original influence came from Davinci’s work.
Yeah, all those famous artists are kinda connected. Even Loomis is in there somewhere. Not to mention that Jeff was taught by someone who was Reilly's student.
pls do more of these
Jeff is titan.
Now we need a Jeff and Marshall episode. This was awesome🤘🏻🔥
Draftsmen should feature an artist in these podcast, honestly. I would like to see how that goes. :)
How can I use the reilly method on rocks?
I can see where master watts coming from when it comes to color, studying and rellying too much on color theory,wheel and charts can put you in a box where you dont try unique combinations or be more expressive with it
What kind of boots is Jeff wearing? That's what I'd like to know.
:D
I miss Marshall.
He's hard at work on the Perspective course but he'll be back again!
@@Draftsmen Woo!
Stan: *Trying to sell his classes*
Jeff: "Well, i think you're either born with it or not, you cant really teach it."
Stan: >:(
Yeah Hahaha. It was funny watching Stan trying to pull it back . He's like whoa whoa wait a minute. Also i remember him saying that he's in that Camp that had to learn to draw the technical way. He looked a little dishearten, and i felt bad.
One possible path this might take is that AIs will become personalised (run locally on your computer) to the point where you can feed all of your art into it, and it will help create new pieces. Meanwhile, publicly available AIs must only use art with permission (except for long dead artists) in their databases, and share royalties with artists in kind.
That is a good future, I do see it being a posibility.
1:16:00 It all goes back to... The Reilly Method
Is gonna be in the back of my head for the next week lol
i haven't watched this podcast in so long and just now i was overwhelmed and stressed until i clicked on an episode... immediately felt better and calm 💖
Great podcasts, as always from draftsman podcast.
1:05:38 do you guys have an idea who they are talking about. I genuinely want to see the collaborative work/result of ai and pro artists that work in industry. Just curious, that's all :>
The stuff I'm talking about is mostly concept art for movies and games that have not been released. You wouldn't find it online yet. During a hype cycle all the early stuff you see is low quality from people that do something quickly with low effort.