I get your point, but I think I’ll still go with a NA V6 in the Frontier over a Turbo 4. The V6 engines still hanging around are pretty proven, while the Turbo 4s are still pretty new.
I'll take a Cummins 5.9 pre-egr and def. The engines are designed for turbos. Regarding Ford's inline six with EFI,it was a quantum leap over the carbed ones with all the hoses. Good solid engine with low end torque.
I live in Norway where most pickups have a small diesel engine in the 2-3 liter range with a turbo. They are relatively low on power but last forever, sips fuel and are easy to work on.
@@efil4kizum Jupp, in the south of the country where most of the population is located we use "salt" on the roads. Keeps the rust and economy going as we have to buy new cars more often💩
@nberardi103 Some day one of the engineers at GM or Ford will do the calculations and find out you don't need a 6000lb 400hp pickup to drive your lunchbox to work and haul some crap to the dump every now and then.
A very good friend in Longview Texas has a 2012 King Ranch with 3.5 Ecoboost 423k on the engine transmission and original turbos. He said the secret let it run a minute or two before you pull out, don’t get on it till the temp gauge is out of the cold range let the turbos cool off a couple of minutes when you stop, oil changes every 5k and transmission fluid and filter every 50k and remember every-time you pull out it’s not a wide open dyno pull, that is what breaks things, he’s a hay farmer and elk hunt up north as much as he can, I can’t imagine that’s a easy life on a truck. I remember those great vehicles in the 70’s and 80’s that no one would touch with 80k on the used lot cause they were worn plum out, yea there were those trucks with 200-300k and maybe the engine still ran fine, but the bodies and frames were gone, everything under the front end had been replaced and they might be fine around town, but you had a car if it was more than just you wife and a kid, cause 3 was all you could carry at a time.i know we like to complain about modern truck, but I remember how much time my dad spent under his vehicles. I think one of the biggest differences is people drive their vehicles like it’s a video game, full throttle all the time.
I drove a 1992 Hino medium duty with a Allison non electronic trans. I beat that thing to death and never let it cool down. It was the most reliable vehicle I ever drove. When I retired it had 240K of brutal stop and go use carrying huge loads everyday. I'm amazed your friend had that many reliable miles on an ecoboost.
I agree...I remember those days and when most Chevy's with the 283-327-350's where done at 125,000 miles, I avoided anything with over 80,000 as recent as 5 years ago...but I've been educated to how these new ones are built and 80,000 miles are barely broken in as long as it was properly maintained... I'm still catching myself putting in under 60,000 miles on the search engine :) But of course it's much more costly to repair then and old chevy :)
Chrysler's Slant 6, Ford's 300 in-line 6, Jeep's 4.0L straight Six. A Lot of these engines were proven to be reliable and long-lasting powertrains. Maybe the new ones will prove to be good, too. Really hard to know with all of today's quality control issues in ALL brands.
I am sure I have mentioned this before but the 2.7 gm turbo has been the base engine in the Silverado for almost 6 years and if it was a problem i am very positive we would have heard about it before now with social media and such. That is one reason I chose the trail boss over the Tacoma with Toyotas first year problems and price. I was asked many years ago by a man from another country what the difference was. I told him they are all about the same. take care of it . They will all last a good while.
Friend of mine is lead mechanic at my local GM dealership where I got my Zr2 Colorado with the 2.7 Turbo Max. He says they hardly ever see any issues with them. I think they’re starting to prove to be a reliable engine.
😂😂😂 don't drink the kool-aid. Turbo charged engines will never go 300-400 thousand miles wo anything at all going wrong , like say the toyota 1GR-FE v6. Or 2UZ-FE v8. Just don't happen. You be lucky to see half thst before the catastrophic failures start.
I don't think you can use reliable engine in any form of automotive discussion. The turbo motors will not see 1/2 the longevity, durability or reliability that the naturally aspirated v6 and V8 has.
@TADD29 I would love one too. Just can't afford to fix an turbo charged engine every 100 150 k. There Def more fun to drive. No doubt. Just not gona last . My old 2011 4runner got 330k on it. Runs like the day I drove it off the lot 14years ago
I am glad I listened to your recommendations to purchase an extended warranty, which I did on my 2024 Colorado Trail Boss. I traded in my 2018 F-150 XLT 2.7 eco boost 2wd. Even though we think the reliability may not be there for the long term, we really don't know yet how long these engines will last. Time will tell as it always does. I will say one thing that these turbo engine trucks have power and they move these trucks pretty fast. I drove my 2024 Colorado Trail Boss on the free way at around 65mph in 2wd mode and got no joke 30 -31 mpg. The freeway was flat and it was about a 45 mile drive to be fair. Its a new age and I appreciate the reliability of a naturally aspirated for sure! However, there is a real beauty to these turbo motors. Depending on how much you drive you might save a good amount of money on fuel with certain turbo setups compared to a naturally aspirated. Of course driving habits dictate fuel economy. Honestly, I'm so stoked on these 2024 Chevrolet Colorado's.
The Ecoboost has gotten so much better from when it debuted, and I believe the hurricane will be a great engine. But, for a full size truck, I personally will always choose a V8. I'm old school, at least as old school as a guy my age can be, and I believe that if you are getting a full size truck, you should get a V8. I'll never have to worry about it though, cause I can tell you just about 2 months into having a super duty, I will never go back to full size. Now if you want a mid size truck, fine, I'm okay with a 4 cylinder turbo, or 6 cylinder turbo.
Of course there are exceptions to everything, I have a nephew what is a master mech. for Carmax for years. His line to me is always this "Eco-Boost with turbos are trash". That is because he sees these on a weekly basis but he does understand there are a lot of trucks out there that don't have problems.
I have very little experience with turbo engines. Grew up with Mopar V8’s and slant 6’s which held up well even with heavy footed teens driving them. Looks like we’d better get used to turbo engines as they’re here to stay. It is amazing the HP these little 4 bangers put out and time will tell on longevity. Thanks for the video!
The problem with the flurry of new inline 4 and 6 turbo engines today is that they are much too new to be considered reliable, especially as reliable as the EcoBoost V6s have been. The EcoBoost has been around since 2011 and is in the millions and tens of millions of miles. Give the new inline turbos a chance to be out there for a few more years and see how they compare after millions of miles. You might be surprised.
Agree with your points made here. As a retired mechanic I tend to like the older easy to work on cars. I have a 98 Jeep XJ 2 door manual trans 4wd with the venerable 4.0 inline six, 06 Honda Pilot 3500 V-6 and in 21 because I wanted a new midsize truck I ordered a 22 Ranger FX4 2.3 turbo inline four. Love them all. The Ranger has had no recalls, no warranty issues, is a blast to drive with loads of torque, can get up to 25mpg. Like you said, less parts, lots of room in the engine bay. Works for me and many others. By the way the 2.3 was a Mazda turbo engine first produced in 2005. Ford improved it, but it's been around quite a while.
I have a Silverado 2024 with a 2.7 turbo Max. It went out just a little bit before 8,000 MI. It was the fuel management system they did fix it under warranty but I was without the truck for nine days.
I think the reason why a lot of these direct injection turbo motors may last as long as some naturally aspirated v6 and v8s is because to get the V6 and V8 to get the same mileage and emissions it takes stuff like cylinder deactivation and start/stop feature on these engines which put a tremendous amount of strain on them. With a turbo you build from the ground up to run those crazy volumetric efficiencies that you get with turbos. However, if you take a V8 and get rid of stop start and any cylinder deactivation and run say a basic 6 speed tranny without crazy shift patterns then I think you would get excellent long term reliability with them. Your just not going to get the power, gas mileage, and emissions standards as you would with a turbo motor. Just my thoughts on this.
Assuming talking about gas motors, my thought process leads to a smaller engine being asked to produce more power than a bigger engine, and therefor the wear on the engine is considerably more to have the same smaller engine move the same weight a bigger motor used to accomplish. I get the power can be considerably more in turbo vs NA, and that the oils today are much better than the times of old, but if you consider a lot of the benefit diesels provide is optimal power at lower RPMs and have longevity, to me it makes sense that a smaller turbo motor won't last as long as an NA, things being somewhat comparable. And yes, I get that many diesels are turboed.
You make some good points but what I’ve noticed is no one is talking about fuel costs. I don’t know for the new models but traditionally in the past any motor with a turbo needed to run premium fuel and that combined with, especially the Tacoma, not getting the best mileage is an extra cost in addition to the upfront cost of the truck. Hemi 5.7 get 15/19mpg and Tacoma is rated at 20/24 so you lose half the motor but mileage isn’t that much better sorry I’m not willing to make that sacrifice even though I would like to downsize.
Inline 4 engines are not as simple as we may think. They have good primary balance but poor secondary balance. This often (not all engines) requires a balancing shaft that spins at twice the RPM of the engine. Secondary balance means 2 unbalances in every 360 degrees of rotation. Only inline engine in production cars that has near perfect primary and secondary balance is inline 6s.
I watched the whole thing. Yer full of crap. How is it manufacturers can't make reliable 6 cylinders but can make a reliable 4 cylinder? They can't. You're making excuses for the manufacturers selling bad products and telling us "well, that's just the way it is." Well, buy as many of them as you like. Be a good lil consumer. I'll just keep driving my 5th gen 4Runner and LC200 while you keep buying and repairing. Snow, in Georgia, is nuts.
I love my new Laramie. The more miles I put on it, the better the engine feels. It doesn't feel like it's working hard at all. I have to be careful, the speed creeps up quietly and quickly. I won't fully open her up for quite a while, but man she's going to be fast. I've owned all makes and models having a company that uses trucks heavily. This impressed me the most. That's not to say I world purchase this to constantly haul heavy loads, it has its place, but it more than serves it's purpose for the majority.
Jason I just get tickled seeing you walking around in a snowy lot. I remember you talking about other guys walking around in snow storms a couple months back and how you don’t have to deal with that. 😂
I’m surprised I5 or I6 are relatively rare. The I6 diesel in Mazda is smooth, and powerful in CX-80. I5 is shorter than I6, can be done with a small single turbo. It sounds good as well 😂 Obviously I4 is cheaper, much cheaper.
The people that say they will never drive a 4 cylinder turbo probably haven’t driven a 4 cylinder turbo. Every review on the new Tacoma, the reviewer liked the new Tacoma better than the old one! They say it’s faster with a very smooth power delivery. It makes more peak torque at a much lower RPM. Looking at the engine bay it looks like the turbo can be replaced without removing the motor. The internal engine components are forged and built strong enough to handle the demands of a turbo. They key to getting these engines to last is maintenance! Keep the oil changed. Not every 10,000 but every 3000 to 5000 miles. See Car Care Nut TH-cam channel. All you V8 lovers out there, all of these engines are 💩! None of these American made V8’s will last without major repairs with the possible exception of the Ford Coyote. They all have a problem with destroying cams and lifters! Even the Ford Godzilla in work trucks with high idle times eat cams and lifters. So Jason! You’ve got a point!
From what I have heard is that engineers across the industry generally design passenger vehicles to last 150,000 miles before a major repair is needed. I don't see these modern vehicles lasting 300-400k+ miles like a 1999 Honda Civic but those are pretty under tuned naturally aspirated vehicles. If you take care of it though and are willing to handle one major repair you probably can get 200-250k miles before it becomes too unfeasible to maintain it. Otherwise, keep on buying 200k mile Honda Civics with manual transmissions that haven't been modified off Facebook market place.
"Well, you know, a turbo is like three parts, and that's it" just comes off as absurdly simplistic for someone who's portraying themselves to be an objective thinker. Yes "three parts" and all the other additional considerations that are affected by the pressures and temperatures a turbo creates but this has been well-beaten dead horse. I'm not a turbo-doomer like alot of clickbait car-TH-camrs are but there's very real tradeoffs you appear to be handwaving in the attempt to sound "open minded". I had a "simple" 3 cyl turbo 2015 Ford Fiesta that ran great! But that included a 5k timing wet belt (quoted by Ford), a 2k turbo replacement at 150k (pretty good longevity tbh, but still 2k for an "accessible" turbo), and a head gasket would be approx 3k which takes a ton of intricate disassembly to get to. I think folks, unless they're competent mechanics, are going to have a rude awakening when real life encounters this kind of theorizing.
Engines today are built to handle the pressures and Temps of the turbo. I like na motors. But in 2 major brands I'd take the turbo 4 and turbo 6 options over the v8s they offer.
@Jason-Samko i know, that's what everyone says as a simplistic ignoring of the bigger picture. My "simple" turbo-3 was "built to withstand" but that included nearly 10k in maintenance from 110k to 150k mileage due to maintaining the complicated systems of the small turbo.
I don't want my next truck to be loud, a 2001 T&C minivan completely changed my opinion and I realized how I really enjoyed smooth and quiet. Its crazy but years ago I invisioned Mopar making the small inline 6 gas because market change. Now that its here we couldn't be more excited. We wanted a mini gas engine that was like a Cummins... Literally half the size yet it has more HP. A few guys online have already tuned the HO 3.0 to basically hellcat numbers and its not grenading or throwing head gaskets yet, so its obviously going to be very capable in the future. But the Ram truck itself is just a whole other Level in so many ways. Stellantis was basically the worst thing that could have happened yet the Ram is still superior. Drive what you like, we've had our #Rams for decades and love them. Baruk Hashem קול יהוה על המים אל הכבוד הרעים יהוה על מים רבים
Good video and I get it, hey man I hope everyone has the best of luck with the 4 banger turbos. That Colorado is sharp. I know my v6 has more moving parts, I just decided to stick with it because so many of these motors with turbos are new. I personally just can’t afford to be someone’s ginny pig. I can’t afford to be down with a vehicle in the shop for months. I think Toyota will eventually work their kinks out but just not for me.
Actually, Turbo 4 is not that difficult to repair, especially if it is a mid or full size truck. But with hybrid system...... totally a different story.
I bought a turbomax 24 GMC 1500 sierra single cab 6.5 bed in October. I just sold it and bought a 4th generation 5.0 coyote ford super cab stx. It does have cylinder deactivation but there are no widespread problems. You keep saying wet belt problems I have researched and can’t seem to find anything . I do find ford wet belt problems with there 1.5 that actually was a tensioner issue. If there is a wet belt problem I will take my chances because that turbomax sound was not for me. The more that motor broke in the sound got more and more raspy 4 banger. If you can get by the fact that it is a 4 banger that produces less emission’s to satisfy the epa good for u. I could not.
Haven’t seen long term reliability reviews yet, but I’m excited to see e-turbos. Audi 3.0 DTI has it. New Honda 3 cylinder in motorcycle as well. Adding a small e-turbo to I4 should be easy enough. This would be perfect for me - I only need a small boost when joining motorways etc and hybrids work for me. Hybrid will obviously help with power requirements. Since the boost is small (5psi), there is no need for the intercooler. Sorry J, but I like hybrids ❤😂 I much prefer that complication to a big and complexed gasoline engine. Also, mechanics are much cheaper in Japan and the make the batteries in here 😂❤
I might see the Toyota 2.4 turbo 4 or the Ford 2.3 turbo because they both have port injection along with direct and no AFM, but the GM 2.7 although the most power of all does not have port injection and does have AFM.
Why so they charge 100k for it? Gladiator has sometime going for it…reliability. It’s a solid front axle truck. You try to push 500 hole through it and it won’t end well.
I think there are 2 problems here. First…folks are starting to understand that parts are expensive and spending the time to do it is a lot..so you’re not going to have folks changing their own spark plugs anymore. Some else does it. Second…price is horrendous right now.
Gotta take into consideration drivability. I prefer the drivability of a larger displacement naturally aspirated engine vs a smaller turbocharged one. Not convinced the cost to replace a turbo is all that small, especially with labor costs. Sound of the turbo 4’s leaves a lot to be desired too…
Jason.....dude you're killing me!! Paralysis by overanalysis here.... Midsizers are too small, and there's not ONE full size truck under $40-$45k that I feel like I can trust. You made a video telling us that blue collar can't afford new trucks, how about a new video discussing what we CAN afford. Reliable (certified?) trucks on a real household budget....$30 - $40k 😎
The half tons then and now still pull the same weight, one was easier too fix at home, now you have too be an engineer too fix. I’ll take simplicity and reliability over complexity any day. I’ll stay away from turbo and cylinder deactivation…. I’ll just buy 3/4 ton trucks from now on …. Built too last, built too pull, very straight forward no B/S. I had a 05 Volvo s40 turbo once. The turbo went out and couldn’t drive the car. Costed me 1600$. But everything else was fine. So screw these manufacturers
4 cylinder is a car engine. Turbos or not. I own a 21-foot pontoon boat. Those engine types will not pull my boat. Maybe it is easier and cheaper to fix, plus better fuel mileage. You're restricted. Back of my new van. I can haul 3,000lb. The van also has a tow package. Yet. Only the 3.5l engine. I don't have all of the tech. Just the E85 system. My van is really basic. Steel and not aluminum. My rear tail lights are cheap. My F150 were very expensive. My headlights are cheap. My windshield is not. I don't have two batteries or two alternators. Just one of each. Yet. I only need two seats. I have my Jeep if I need more people to go with me. Why I got away from my F150. My F150 was fully loaded. Very expensive to fix. My van is AWD. I don't have to worry about putting my van into 4x4 or not. My Jeep is AWD. I love that feature. Put it in gear and go. Each to their own.
@Jason-Samko How about the 4 cylinder turbos? Has anyone tried that. My boat trailer is two axel. Steel frame. Two pontoons. A rebuilt 1976 18hp Evenrude motor. Has anyone put this type of boat in and out of the water with a 4 cylinder 2 turbo engine?
@scanadaze a ford maverick could tow that and have no problems pulling it out of the water! Sounds like an excellent boat! They sure built them well back then
You didn't talk about the additional pressure inside the motor. 20 -30 psi. Lots of extra pressure inside plastic intake manifolds , etc. The plumbing running to the turbos. Possible leaks in the future. Think about blowing a coolant hose .
The engines today are built to handle the pressures and stress of the turbos. I don't worry one bit about the long block as much as I do the actual turbos
They are not just a regular gas engine with an added turbocharger. These engines are purposely built for the extra load, similar to a turbocharged desiel. Stronger blocks, forged internals.
Perhaps instead of skimping on parts so much. If these manufacturers wanna save $$$ then maybe skimp on the massive compensation that they pay these very incompetent CEO’s that run these companies instead.
@Jason-Samko I stumbled on your videos when I was getting ready to buy my truck, super informative, I've turned a lot of guys onto your Channel, keep up the good work
That depends on who builds it. My TDi 4cyl is as durable as motor that was ever made. Why? Overbuilt under stressed and simplistic in design. People also are fans big time so they get maintained well
The half tons then and now still pull the same weight, one was easier too fix at home, now you have too be an engineer too fix. I’ll take simplicity and reliability over complexity any day. I’ll stay away from turbo and cylinder deactivation…. I’ll just buy 3/4 ton trucks from now on …. Built too last, built too pull, very straight forward no B/S. I had a 05 Volvo s40 turbo once. The turbo went out and couldn’t drive the car. Costed me 1600$. But everything else was fine. So screw these manufacturers
I get your point, but I think I’ll still go with a NA V6 in the Frontier over a Turbo 4. The V6 engines still hanging around are pretty proven, while the Turbo 4s are still pretty new.
I'll take a 300 straight six Ford with a cross flow head and fuel injection
cant kill that motor
I had a 89 reg cab 5sp. Bullet proof motor they need to bring back with a 10 sp or 6sp manual. No turbos needed.
I'll take a Cummins 5.9 pre-egr and def. The engines are designed for turbos. Regarding Ford's inline six with EFI,it was a quantum leap over the carbed ones with all the hoses. Good solid engine with low end torque.
I have one for sale! Manual tranny as well!
I live in Norway where most pickups have a small diesel engine in the 2-3 liter range with a turbo. They are relatively low on power but last forever, sips fuel and are easy to work on.
do you Norway folks use chemical deicers on your winter roads?
@@efil4kizum Jupp, in the south of the country where most of the population is located we use "salt" on the roads. Keeps the rust and economy going as we have to buy new cars more often💩
@@efil4kizum Nice first gen. Taco you got btw. That one is more like the size of pickups we have over here. Looks very similar to my old Hilux.
Stop bragging that you get the diesels and we don't!!! LOL. We all wish in the US for mid size pickups.
@nberardi103 Some day one of the engineers at GM or Ford will do the calculations and find out you don't need a 6000lb 400hp pickup to drive your lunchbox to work and haul some crap to the dump every now and then.
A very good friend in Longview Texas has a 2012 King Ranch with 3.5 Ecoboost 423k on the engine transmission and original turbos. He said the secret let it run a minute or two before you pull out, don’t get on it till the temp gauge is out of the cold range let the turbos cool off a couple of minutes when you stop, oil changes every 5k and transmission fluid and filter every 50k and remember every-time you pull out it’s not a wide open dyno pull, that is what breaks things, he’s a hay farmer and elk hunt up north as much as he can, I can’t imagine that’s a easy life on a truck. I remember those great vehicles in the 70’s and 80’s that no one would touch with 80k on the used lot cause they were worn plum out, yea there were those trucks with 200-300k and maybe the engine still ran fine, but the bodies and frames were gone, everything under the front end had been replaced and they might be fine around town, but you had a car if it was more than just you wife and a kid, cause 3 was all you could carry at a time.i know we like to complain about modern truck, but I remember how much time my dad spent under his vehicles. I think one of the biggest differences is people drive their vehicles like it’s a video game, full throttle all the time.
I drove a 1992 Hino medium duty with a Allison non electronic trans. I beat that thing to death and never let it cool down. It was the most reliable vehicle I ever drove. When I retired it had 240K of brutal stop and go use carrying huge loads everyday. I'm amazed your friend had that many reliable miles on an ecoboost.
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100% Agree!
I agree...I remember those days and when most Chevy's with the 283-327-350's where done at 125,000 miles, I avoided anything with over 80,000 as recent as 5 years ago...but I've been educated to how these new ones are built and 80,000 miles are barely broken in as long as it was properly maintained... I'm still catching myself putting in under 60,000 miles on the search engine :) But of course it's much more costly to repair then and old chevy :)
Chrysler's Slant 6, Ford's 300 in-line 6, Jeep's 4.0L straight Six. A Lot of these engines were proven to be reliable and long-lasting powertrains. Maybe the new ones will prove to be good, too. Really hard to know with all of today's quality control issues in ALL brands.
True
GM 250 in-line 6 too
I am sure I have mentioned this before but the 2.7 gm turbo has been the base engine in the Silverado for almost 6 years and if it was a problem i am very positive we would have heard about it before now with social media and such. That is one reason I chose the trail boss over the Tacoma with Toyotas first year problems and price. I was asked many years ago by a man from another country what the difference was. I told him they are all about the same. take care of it . They will all last a good while.
Love the 2.7
Friend of mine is lead mechanic at my local GM dealership where I got my Zr2 Colorado with the 2.7 Turbo Max. He says they hardly ever see any issues with them. I think they’re starting to prove to be a reliable engine.
😂😂😂 don't drink the kool-aid. Turbo charged engines will never go 300-400 thousand miles wo anything at all going wrong , like say the toyota 1GR-FE v6. Or 2UZ-FE v8. Just don't happen. You be lucky to see half thst before the catastrophic failures start.
I don't think you can use reliable engine in any form of automotive discussion. The turbo motors will not see 1/2 the longevity, durability or reliability that the naturally aspirated v6 and V8 has.
@@REDNECKROOTS Guess I’ll find out. 😂 But for now I’m lovn’ it.
@@BMD2024 You might be right. Time will tell. Least you didn’t buy one to find out so no harm done.
@TADD29 I would love one too. Just can't afford to fix an turbo charged engine every 100 150 k. There Def more fun to drive. No doubt. Just not gona last . My old 2011 4runner got 330k on it. Runs like the day I drove it off the lot 14years ago
Some of it depends on boost pressure. 5 psi is one thing, 30 is different
Owned
'85 2.3 turbo Ford
'85 3.0 turbo Nissan
'15 3.0 TD Ram
'06 6.6 TD Chevy
Never had issues with turbochargers. Oil, oil, oil
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And the oil today is so much better than what we had in the 80’s and 90’s
And for gods sake change the oil after breakin.
I am glad I listened to your recommendations to purchase an extended warranty, which I did on my 2024 Colorado Trail Boss. I traded in my 2018 F-150 XLT 2.7 eco boost 2wd. Even though we think the reliability may not be there for the long term, we really don't know yet how long these engines will last. Time will tell as it always does. I will say one thing that these turbo engine trucks have power and they move these trucks pretty fast. I drove my 2024 Colorado Trail Boss on the free way at around 65mph in 2wd mode and got no joke 30 -31 mpg. The freeway was flat and it was about a 45 mile drive to be fair. Its a new age and I appreciate the reliability of a naturally aspirated for sure! However, there is a real beauty to these turbo motors. Depending on how much you drive you might save a good amount of money on fuel with certain turbo setups compared to a naturally aspirated. Of course driving habits dictate fuel economy. Honestly, I'm so stoked on these 2024 Chevrolet Colorado's.
@ryang6568 such an excellent truck. And your mpgs are outstanding. My zr2 averages 15.8
A 4 Turbo in a S10 or GEN 1 Colorado I could see, but in a heavier Silverado you're asking for problems. It's going to be overworked.
I believe the silverado weights 400 pounds more
Encouraging us to be open minded about motor choice is the type of content I like to see
@@omarkyankhan thanks glad you enjoyed it
The Ecoboost has gotten so much better from when it debuted, and I believe the hurricane will be a great engine. But, for a full size truck, I personally will always choose a V8. I'm old school, at least as old school as a guy my age can be, and I believe that if you are getting a full size truck, you should get a V8. I'll never have to worry about it though, cause I can tell you just about 2 months into having a super duty, I will never go back to full size. Now if you want a mid size truck, fine, I'm okay with a 4 cylinder turbo, or 6 cylinder turbo.
Love the super duty
Of course there are exceptions to everything, I have a nephew what is a master mech. for Carmax for years. His line to me is always this "Eco-Boost with turbos are trash". That is because he sees these on a weekly basis but he does understand there are a lot of trucks out there that don't have problems.
I have very little experience with turbo engines. Grew up with Mopar V8’s and slant 6’s which held up well even with heavy footed teens driving them. Looks like we’d better get used to turbo engines as they’re here to stay. It is amazing the HP these little 4 bangers put out and time will tell on longevity. Thanks for the video!
Good thing v8s are coming back with lower emissions standards.
The problem with the flurry of new inline 4 and 6 turbo engines today is that they are much too new to be considered reliable, especially as reliable as the EcoBoost V6s have been. The EcoBoost has been around since 2011 and is in the millions and tens of millions of miles. Give the new inline turbos a chance to be out there for a few more years and see how they compare after millions of miles. You might be surprised.
Agree with your points made here. As a retired mechanic I tend to like the older easy to work on cars. I have a 98 Jeep XJ 2 door manual trans 4wd with the venerable 4.0 inline six, 06 Honda Pilot 3500 V-6 and in 21 because I wanted a new midsize truck I ordered a 22 Ranger FX4 2.3 turbo inline four. Love them all. The Ranger has had no recalls, no warranty issues, is a blast to drive with loads of torque, can get up to 25mpg. Like you said, less parts, lots of room in the engine bay. Works for me and many others. By the way the 2.3 was a Mazda turbo engine first produced in 2005. Ford improved it, but it's been around quite a while.
Love the ford 2.3!
Truly like my 2024 2.3 Ford STX Ranger. Great gas mileage, rides great, plenty of power. Engine pretty noisy, but I'm fine with that.
You have more snow than we do in Northern Wisconsin
I agree with you. I would sooner have a 4 cyl. with 1 turbo than a v6 with 2 turbos any day of the week.
@@davidkrajnik6296 I'm feeling that way too the more ith8nk about it and the cost of repairs today
Good video Jason, we purchased a 2024 4Runner pro and will be keeping the old dinosaur, we love it!
One of the last great high mile vehicles made
I have a Silverado 2024 with a 2.7 turbo Max. It went out just a little bit before 8,000 MI. It was the fuel management system they did fix it under warranty but I was without the truck for nine days.
What does it cost to replace twin turbos.If your keeping it less than 5 yrs than it doesnt matter what u buy.longterm ill go for a v8.
v8 without deactivation
I had a turbo go out on my '11 VW 3.0 TDi Touareg but that wasn't that big of a deal. It had about 100k miles on it. It was to be expected.
My daughter had the same car went almost 200 K then the turbo went out
Always great content . Thanks for keeping it real like usual Jason
Thank you
I think the reason why a lot of these direct injection turbo motors may last as long as some naturally aspirated v6 and v8s is because to get the V6 and V8 to get the same mileage and emissions it takes stuff like cylinder deactivation and start/stop feature on these engines which put a tremendous amount of strain on them. With a turbo you build from the ground up to run those crazy volumetric efficiencies that you get with turbos. However, if you take a V8 and get rid of stop start and any cylinder deactivation and run say a basic 6 speed tranny without crazy shift patterns then I think you would get excellent long term reliability with them. Your just not going to get the power, gas mileage, and emissions standards as you would with a turbo motor. Just my thoughts on this.
Great points and great way of looking at it
Assuming talking about gas motors, my thought process leads to a smaller engine being asked to produce more power than a bigger engine, and therefor the wear on the engine is considerably more to have the same smaller engine move the same weight a bigger motor used to accomplish. I get the power can be considerably more in turbo vs NA, and that the oils today are much better than the times of old, but if you consider a lot of the benefit diesels provide is optimal power at lower RPMs and have longevity, to me it makes sense that a smaller turbo motor won't last as long as an NA, things being somewhat comparable. And yes, I get that many diesels are turboed.
@@nberardi103 diesels are amazing. Just wish the epa would leave them alone
You make some good points but what I’ve noticed is no one is talking about fuel costs. I don’t know for the new models but traditionally in the past any motor with a turbo needed to run premium fuel and that combined with, especially the Tacoma, not getting the best mileage is an extra cost in addition to the upfront cost of the truck. Hemi 5.7 get 15/19mpg and Tacoma is rated at 20/24 so you lose half the motor but mileage isn’t that much better sorry I’m not willing to make that sacrifice even though I would like to downsize.
@@jgrubbs7580 correct. Some require premium. Some don't. My 24 colorado does not
Inline 4 engines are not as simple as we may think. They have good primary balance but poor secondary balance. This often (not all engines) requires a balancing shaft that spins at twice the RPM of the engine. Secondary balance means 2 unbalances in every 360 degrees of rotation. Only inline engine in production cars that has near perfect primary and secondary balance is inline 6s.
I watched the whole thing. Yer full of crap. How is it manufacturers can't make reliable 6 cylinders but can make a reliable 4 cylinder? They can't. You're making excuses for the manufacturers selling bad products and telling us "well, that's just the way it is." Well, buy as many of them as you like. Be a good lil consumer. I'll just keep driving my 5th gen 4Runner and LC200 while you keep buying and repairing. Snow, in Georgia, is nuts.
Thanks for watching the whole thing. appreciated.
The new Ram ss hurricane should be a solid setup I think, after initial teething problems are sorted of course
@@JoelDean-f9n agree 100. I have very high hopes for the hurricane
I love my new Laramie. The more miles I put on it, the better the engine feels. It doesn't feel like it's working hard at all. I have to be careful, the speed creeps up quietly and quickly. I won't fully open her up for quite a while, but man she's going to be fast. I've owned all makes and models having a company that uses trucks heavily. This impressed me the most. That's not to say I world purchase this to constantly haul heavy loads, it has its place, but it more than serves it's purpose for the majority.
@ryantracy0123 love the hurricane and ram trucks
Keep your turbo this and turbo that,I will keep my Coyote V8 and my next vehicle will be a V8 too.
yeah KW guy
W900 or nothing 👍
Nice take on this👍
Thanks
made a lot of good points.
@@owl5927 thanks
Jason I just get tickled seeing you walking around in a snowy lot.
I remember you talking about other guys walking around in snow storms a couple months back and how you don’t have to deal with that. 😂
@titotruth6076 😂😂😂 dang your right! I did make fun of them up north..I got to eat my words..lol
I’m surprised I5 or I6 are relatively rare.
The I6 diesel in Mazda is smooth, and powerful in CX-80.
I5 is shorter than I6, can be done with a small single turbo. It sounds good as well 😂
Obviously I4 is cheaper, much cheaper.
@@valdius85 mazda build s a great suv
A Detuned (one turbo) Hurricane in the Gladiator make it a MPG King (make it run on regular gas and have a big fuel tank)
Call the engine the Tropical Storm
Would be amazing
I would buy that truck, but it makes too much sense so it will never happen.
The people that say they will never drive a 4 cylinder turbo probably haven’t driven a 4 cylinder turbo. Every review on the new Tacoma, the reviewer liked the new Tacoma better than the old one! They say it’s faster with a very smooth power delivery. It makes more peak torque at a much lower RPM. Looking at the engine bay it looks like the turbo can be replaced without removing the motor. The internal engine components are forged and built strong enough to handle the demands of a turbo. They key to getting these engines to last is maintenance! Keep the oil changed. Not every 10,000 but every 3000 to 5000 miles. See Car Care Nut TH-cam channel. All you V8 lovers out there, all of these engines are 💩! None of these American made V8’s will last without major repairs with the possible exception of the Ford Coyote. They all have a problem with destroying cams and lifters! Even the Ford Godzilla in work trucks with high idle times eat cams and lifters. So Jason! You’ve got a point!
From what I have heard is that engineers across the industry generally design passenger vehicles to last 150,000 miles before a major repair is needed.
I don't see these modern vehicles lasting 300-400k+ miles like a 1999 Honda Civic but those are pretty under tuned naturally aspirated vehicles. If you take care of it though and are willing to handle one major repair you probably can get 200-250k miles before it becomes too unfeasible to maintain it. Otherwise, keep on buying 200k mile Honda Civics with manual transmissions that haven't been modified off Facebook market place.
"Well, you know, a turbo is like three parts, and that's it" just comes off as absurdly simplistic for someone who's portraying themselves to be an objective thinker.
Yes "three parts" and all the other additional considerations that are affected by the pressures and temperatures a turbo creates but this has been well-beaten dead horse.
I'm not a turbo-doomer like alot of clickbait car-TH-camrs are but there's very real tradeoffs you appear to be handwaving in the attempt to sound "open minded".
I had a "simple" 3 cyl turbo 2015 Ford Fiesta that ran great! But that included a 5k timing wet belt (quoted by Ford), a 2k turbo replacement at 150k (pretty good longevity tbh, but still 2k for an "accessible" turbo), and a head gasket would be approx 3k which takes a ton of intricate disassembly to get to. I think folks, unless they're competent mechanics, are going to have a rude awakening when real life encounters this kind of theorizing.
Engines today are built to handle the pressures and Temps of the turbo. I like na motors. But in 2 major brands I'd take the turbo 4 and turbo 6 options over the v8s they offer.
@Jason-Samko i know, that's what everyone says as a simplistic ignoring of the bigger picture. My "simple" turbo-3 was "built to withstand" but that included nearly 10k in maintenance from 110k to 150k mileage due to maintaining the complicated systems of the small turbo.
I don't want my next truck to be loud, a 2001 T&C minivan completely changed my opinion and I realized how I really enjoyed smooth and quiet.
Its crazy but years ago I invisioned Mopar making the small inline 6 gas because market change. Now that its here we couldn't be more excited. We wanted a mini gas engine that was like a Cummins... Literally half the size yet it has more HP. A few guys online have already tuned the HO 3.0 to basically hellcat numbers and its not grenading or throwing head gaskets yet, so its obviously going to be very capable in the future. But the Ram truck itself is just a whole other Level in so many ways.
Stellantis was basically the worst thing that could have happened yet the Ram is still superior. Drive what you like, we've had our #Rams for decades and love them.
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Great points
Good video and I get it, hey man I hope everyone has the best of luck with the 4 banger turbos. That Colorado is sharp. I know my v6 has more moving parts, I just decided to stick with it because so many of these motors with turbos are new. I personally just can’t afford to be someone’s ginny pig. I can’t afford to be down with a vehicle in the shop for months. I think Toyota will eventually work their kinks out but just not for me.
Great video. Love your honesty. I’m afraid of the 4 cylinder turbo in the Chevy. Love the ZR2 looks etc I’ve never had any luck with GM.
You can tow a lot with a 4 banger.
@@Magoo-1199 8k pounds
Actually, Turbo 4 is not that difficult to repair, especially if it is a mid or full size truck. But with hybrid system...... totally a different story.
Makes perfrct sense. The hybrid adds alot of complexity
My neighbors has a 2014 Lexus NX 200, with a 4 cylinder turbo with 110, 000 miles and it's still runs like a top.
I bought a turbomax 24 GMC 1500 sierra single cab 6.5 bed in October. I just sold it and bought a 4th generation 5.0 coyote ford super cab stx. It does have cylinder deactivation but there are no widespread problems. You keep saying wet belt problems I have researched and can’t seem to find anything . I do find ford wet belt problems with there 1.5 that actually was a tensioner issue. If there is a wet belt problem I will take my chances because that turbomax sound was not for me. The more that motor broke in the sound got more and more raspy 4 banger. If you can get by the fact that it is a 4 banger that produces less emission’s to satisfy the epa good for u. I could not.
I have a 2012 ford f150 king cab, would you recommend buying a 2025 ford f150?
@johnnywright5802 yep the new f150s are great trucks the 2.7 and 5.0 are my favorite motors in them
Most manufacturers offer too many engine options. 3-4 engines is all GM or Ford really need. Pick the best 4 and get rid of the rest.
Haven’t seen long term reliability reviews yet, but I’m excited to see e-turbos. Audi 3.0 DTI has it. New Honda 3 cylinder in motorcycle as well.
Adding a small e-turbo to I4 should be easy enough.
This would be perfect for me - I only need a small boost when joining motorways etc and hybrids work for me. Hybrid will obviously help with power requirements.
Since the boost is small (5psi), there is no need for the intercooler.
Sorry J, but I like hybrids ❤😂
I much prefer that complication to a big and complexed gasoline engine.
Also, mechanics are much cheaper in Japan and the make the batteries in here 😂❤
Yep some amazing tech coming to the bike world that can carry over to the auto world!
I might see the Toyota 2.4 turbo 4 or the Ford 2.3 turbo because they both have port injection along with direct and no AFM, but the GM 2.7 although the most power of all does not have port injection and does have AFM.
V8 all the way with no government regulation. Will out last everything.
All they are pumping is the HP ratings and not discussing the swap for durability.
Hurricane twin turbo 6 in the Gladiator please!!!
Why so they charge 100k for it? Gladiator has sometime going for it…reliability. It’s a solid front axle truck. You try to push 500 hole through it and it won’t end well.
@outlaw699 agree. And not charge an extra 40k for it like they did on the 392
@ If they do ,they won't sell many. I won't buy one for sure.
Buy older trucks. If nobody compromises and buys the new junk, they will be forced to get back to quality. Turbo is trouble
I’d stick with like an lm7 Silverado 318/360 mopar or coyote.
Good stuff
Thanks
I think there are 2 problems here.
First…folks are starting to understand that parts are expensive and spending the time to do it is a lot..so you’re not going to have folks changing their own spark plugs anymore. Some else does it.
Second…price is horrendous right now.
@@angelr4429 2 excellent points
You can get a F150 4x4 5.0 reg cab short bed for 48 or a single cab ,long bed v6 for 40. 🤯 that’s a 26k truck at most!
Rwzy how much they charge for for the standard cabs
It’s the turbo part that scares me 😅
Gotta take into consideration drivability. I prefer the drivability of a larger displacement naturally aspirated engine vs a smaller turbocharged one. Not convinced the cost to replace a turbo is all that small, especially with labor costs. Sound of the turbo 4’s leaves a lot to be desired too…
Jason.....dude you're killing me!! Paralysis by overanalysis here.... Midsizers are too small, and there's not ONE full size truck under $40-$45k that I feel like I can trust. You made a video telling us that blue collar can't afford new trucks, how about a new video discussing what we CAN afford. Reliable (certified?) trucks on a real household budget....$30 - $40k 😎
Will make that video happen. And you have excellent points
.Reality is we have to get used to it. I will never be offered a simple V8 again so it's just choosing which one is most reliable of turbo 6s.
Agree
The half tons then and now still pull the same weight, one was easier too fix at home, now you have too be an engineer too fix. I’ll take simplicity and reliability over complexity any day. I’ll stay away from turbo and cylinder deactivation…. I’ll just buy 3/4 ton trucks from now on …. Built too last, built too pull, very straight forward no B/S. I had a 05 Volvo s40 turbo once. The turbo went out and couldn’t drive the car. Costed me 1600$. But everything else was fine. So screw these manufacturers
Great video dude! Thanks for your honesty 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
4 cylinder is a car engine. Turbos or not. I own a 21-foot pontoon boat. Those engine types will not pull my boat. Maybe it is easier and cheaper to fix, plus better fuel mileage. You're restricted. Back of my new van. I can haul 3,000lb. The van also has a tow package. Yet. Only the 3.5l engine. I don't have all of the tech. Just the E85 system. My van is really basic. Steel and not aluminum. My rear tail lights are cheap. My F150 were very expensive. My headlights are cheap. My windshield is not. I don't have two batteries or two alternators. Just one of each. Yet. I only need two seats. I have my Jeep if I need more people to go with me. Why I got away from my F150. My F150 was fully loaded. Very expensive to fix. My van is AWD. I don't have to worry about putting my van into 4x4 or not. My Jeep is AWD. I love that feature. Put it in gear and go. Each to their own.
Owned many pontoon boats. Including a triple toon 22 footer with a 150. Any midsize or full size made today would tow it
@Jason-Samko How about the 4 cylinder turbos? Has anyone tried that. My boat trailer is two axel. Steel frame. Two pontoons. A rebuilt 1976 18hp Evenrude motor. Has anyone put this type of boat in and out of the water with a 4 cylinder 2 turbo engine?
@scanadaze a ford maverick could tow that and have no problems pulling it out of the water! Sounds like an excellent boat! They sure built them well back then
@Jason-Samko My boat itself was built in 2000. The engine is a 1977. Yet. It has two trim rams. Meaning it's a 1976 design. 1977 has only one ram.
I think the new Tacoma 4 banger ENGINE, will actually prove to be very good.
If it's anything like the 4-cylinders in the Camrys it'll be a winner.
Agree it will as well
That’s my production. Also, Toyota is not a stupid company.
That’s my Prediction. Also, Toyota is not a stupid company.
Out on turbos. Full stop. I guess if you sell or trade the vehicle while still in warrantee it may not matter much to you.
I will take a 22re turbo.
My 23 Nissan Titan Pro-4x is the best truck!!
A non turbo engine SHOULD be more reliable than a turbo. Today? The lines are blurred.
Agree. And mainly blurred do to repair costs today and the way they build the short blocks to handle the turbos.
Fuel injectors fuel lines that's the difference
You didn't talk about the additional pressure inside the motor. 20 -30 psi. Lots of extra pressure inside plastic intake manifolds , etc. The plumbing running to the turbos. Possible leaks in the future. Think about blowing a coolant hose .
You realize they were designed to handle that pressure
The engines today are built to handle the pressures and stress of the turbos. I don't worry one bit about the long block as much as I do the actual turbos
They are not just a regular gas engine with an added turbocharger. These engines are purposely built for the extra load, similar to a turbocharged desiel. Stronger blocks, forged internals.
There getting better. But there not gona go 300 400 500 thousand miles wo anything going wrong. Like the na v6s n v8s of the past.
Not a single truck made today thst can go thst far without significant repair costs unfortunately
That's crazy money for that reg cab F150 base model yikes.
@@montefiveforty1 agree
Perhaps instead of skimping on parts so much. If these manufacturers wanna save $$$ then maybe skimp on the massive compensation that they pay these very incompetent CEO’s that run these companies instead.
We just need an odometer that reads: 300000 mi
@diz_guy47 i don't think there is a 2025 truck that will get there without significant cost
EPA just ruled you can delete your diesel
I got to give it to you. you can make anything sound good
Thanks
I’ll keep my V8 Nissan Titan.
BS. Bring back the V8 now!
That's it! I'm jumping off. You're full of crap! 🤭🤭🤣🤣
100% ok with that
@Jason-Samko lol just kidding bro. Keep up the good work. I'm enjoying your vids!
@AP-st1li sorry, thought you were serious. I get that comment weekly when I say i like jeep or chevy etc.
Ok I thought about it . Stick with v8😅
I disagree
Nothing wrong with that. Many will
shop shop shop and dont buy
K? 😂😂
@@larryfazen6468 😂😂 first to use it back at me!
@Jason-Samko I stumbled on your videos when I was getting ready to buy my truck, super informative, I've turned a lot of guys onto your Channel, keep up the good work
@@larryfazen6468 thank you! Greatly appreciated
That depends on who builds it. My TDi 4cyl is as durable as motor that was ever made. Why? Overbuilt under stressed and simplistic in design. People also are fans big time so they get maintained well
Some very interesting points. Thanks, Jason. 👍🏻🛻
Thanks
The half tons then and now still pull the same weight, one was easier too fix at home, now you have too be an engineer too fix. I’ll take simplicity and reliability over complexity any day. I’ll stay away from turbo and cylinder deactivation…. I’ll just buy 3/4 ton trucks from now on …. Built too last, built too pull, very straight forward no B/S. I had a 05 Volvo s40 turbo once. The turbo went out and couldn’t drive the car. Costed me 1600$. But everything else was fine. So screw these manufacturers