You give characters huge bonus points for stalling, and then also say having allies helps out their low rolls. Allies ruin stalling/rolling a 0. You can't say allies cover up their flaws while also saying stalling is one of their strengths!
You can choose a dice that has a high chance at landing on an ally space or you could use an ally phone or you could choose the path that leads to an ally space in a fork in the road
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Shy Guy should be S-tier for consistency, consistency is one of the most important things for a dice block. Daisy and Shyguy are best characters by far just because they can garuntee a roll.
@Noah Beers (STUDENT) yeah, I agree you don't want to use DK all the time. I am talking about characters that can consistently get a good roll like Daisy and Shy Guy. They both can almost always put RNG into their favor and make huge luck based rolls easy. In a luck based game you gave the advantage if you modify the luck in your favor.
@@BARNYARD-yz9us 4 is not that slow especially with the smaller boards. Consistency also gives you a huge bonus, being able to effect luck in your favor in a luck game gives you a huge advantage.
Shy Guy, just Shy Guy... If the Star's 4 or fewer blocks away from you? You've got a 5/6 chance of making sure you get it. It's just an awesome die to have in your back-pocket.
Plus that consistency in the first few turns can really help, depending on what your friends do. If they get low rolls or run the risky dice (and they backfire), you're now miles ahead.
I think you have overlooked an important fact: every character always has access to the regular dice block. Therefore, every character's dice block is the most valuable in situations that the standard dice block is ill-suited for: stalling, going large distances, and targeting specific spaces. For example, Monty Mole's dice block should be F tier because it provides almost no additional utility.
Hot Tip: DK's dice is a specialty block. Use the regular dice to move in general. When stalling options open, use DK's dice. In either case, DK's rolls can outspeed the the rest to the star or repeat the space for coin advantage.
Not to mention that if you're able to rack up allies, using DK's dice block exclusively will give you only small rolls of 2 or 3 at worst with the possible bonus of some coins, a possible 4-6 with allies if you still roll a 0, and insanely high rolls when you finally do hit the 10. I didn't know what DK's dice block was prior to this video, so I thought Bowser's block was the best for largely the same reasons with the risk of losing 3 coins half of the time, but with DK having no risk or such a detriment, he's definitely the best character
I have a friend that can roll a 10 on DK's dice pretty consistently. Before that he was rolling 10's with Bowser almost nearly as often. I don't want to accuse him of cheating at Mario Party, but...
I regularly get 10s and 9s with bowser. Also when I was up against DK once he was almost always rolling 10. I think the game favours high numbers (unless you play as koopa... urgh! that stupid 10 is so hard to get on his die!)
old comment but coin advantage doesn't really matter in a game that shoves endless amounts of coins down your throat. Doesn't help that stars cost only 10 coins in this game.
what? yoshi has 0,1,3,5,5,7 and wario has -2,-2,6,6,6,6. how are they the same in any way? yoshi only has 1 stall instead of 2, with 2 low number (1 and 3) thrown in there. then consider that the remaining numbers on yoshi's die are 5,5,7, of which two of the numbers are lower that wario's 6's - it's not great. the real casualty here is diddy kong getting shafted into C tier - diddy kong has 3 stalls and 3 7's... wario got 2 stalls (with coin cost) and 4 6's. diddy kong should be at least high-B tier.
ah sorry. yeah what the hell then? you're right. the disparity in the tier placing is huge, too. yoshi in F tier but waluigi in B tier? despite waluigi literally being worse than yoshi because of the coin cost he has... yeah good catch noticing that.
I thought the same thing when I first saw Yoshi/Waluigi. But their dice are actually 0,1,3,3,5,7 and -3,1,3,5,5,7. Waluigi is different in that Yoshi's 0 now has a cost, but the trade-off is that a 3 turns into a 5, so you get higher/more consistent rolls overall for a bit of a price.
I feel like the reason Pom Pom is in the game is because they needed a fourth female character, in case there is a group of four girls playing. Also she adds as a new female personality to play as rather than just a different colored princess.
why on earth is diddy kong C tier? you put wario into S tier because of his 2 stalls (which cost coins) and four 6's... diddy kong has 3 stalls with no coin cost, and three 7's. shouldn't diddy kong be at least A tier?
He explained earlier that special spaces are 4 or 6 spaces apart on average so anything that gives you a high chance of those numbers is better because the special spaces will give an edge over your opponents. Wario is higher because with a high chance to roll 6s he's landing on more special spaces than Diddy who is running past them in most cases.
Assuming you're always on a special space, of course. Since you can't guarantee that, and especially when allies are involved. there's no reason why diddy should rank so low.
I've found that Daisy is an excellent compliment to any risky dice blocks in Team Party. She guarantees you'll at least get 3 and if the risky roll pulls off you'll both go far
Also about Shy Guy, he said that not being able to land on odd spaces was bad (barring the fact that if you started your turn on an odd-numbered space you're guaranteed to land on an odd space if you use his die), but then Wario is S-tier despite having that same "downside"
I think he didn't put one important fact into this comparison: we don't have only 1 dice. For any situation we are in, we can choose between our dice and the standard one. In that case, there are 3 things we could want from our dice: consistency (to hit events), 0 (or even better +coins), or high numbers (for fast travel), as such some of the lower rated dices are in my opinin quite good. There is also point that rolling doesn't seems to follow the standard dice throw formula, mitigating chance.
I love Luigi’s dice block. You can either rocket ahead, or get a consistent 1. This lets you get closer to the star, or lands you on a space that you can use.
Oh, I'm glad I misread your post, HailedSpace25. For a second, I thought you said "...Because we don't move *like* everyone else!" I really do like the character dice.
I think you should've included the fact that every character can use a standard dice. So considering Monty Moles only upside is a +1 coin and a stall, you can move faster with basically every other character, and if you want to stall, there's characters more likely to stall. I think Monty is an F tier because his benefit is nearly identical to every standard die that every character has.
Yoshi's numbers are a bit wrong. Its 0,1,3,3,5,7 not 0,1,3,5,5,7. I can tell you used the Mario Wiki as a base for the block information cause for the longest time before launch they had the incorrect numbers up, likely because of how similar Yoshi's block is to Waluigi's.
Hammer Bro. and Diddy Kong also had errors. I've seen those same errors somewhere else, so Mariowiki is probably the original. Also: rankedboost.com/super-mario-party/best-characters/
He said it was +3-1-1-1-5-5, when it's actually +3-1-1-5-5-5. static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1575/15759911/3446548-screen+shot+2018-10-02+at+9.32.32+pm.png
I think more emphasis should be put on how different each die is from the standard die. Shy Guy's consistent 4s can be super helpful if you just need that number in the case that the ally space is precisely 4 away. Monty Mole and Goomba might seem good from a distance but actually playing as them is terrible as they have little to no variation from the standard die and end up stuck with just that. However, I strongly agree with the positioning of Hammer Bro, Wario, Bowser, Boo and DK. The 4 in S tier are absolutely outstanding while Hammer Bro is utterly terrible.
HB has a 50% chance of 5s and 33% 1s, putting him even with most other mid-tiers (I mean ACTUAL mid tiers- Mario, Peach, Bowser Jr. etc.) in terms of "ability to hit a specific space". He's also less variable but a low roller meaning his dice is used more cautiously but more powerful. Not amazing, but "utterly terrible" is a mischaracterization.
The math here is so bare-bones it's embarrassing. In order to properly determine if a dice-block is "good" on the maps, just calculating the mean roll and the its statistical standard deviation (which I'm not sure you properly understand) is not sufficient. You need to calculate after N moves what are the probabilities of landing on each space on each board with each custom die and with the standard die, determine whether or not that space is "good" or "bad" in a more rigorous way, and also take into account interaction from other players. You can't just arbitrarily say "fast movement is good in general" and also "stalling is good in general" but somehow middle of the road movement is bad (?). How can you claim, for instance, that PomPom's 3's are "bad for events" unless you've done these calculations? Plus, events can potentially be good or bad for the player depending on the map and the current game state. I want at least something approaching proofs before even discussing tiers. In addition, it's also something of a tactical decision when to use the custom dice rather than the standard one, and it could be that for some maps, the standard die is better for hitting "good" spaces with the custom dice serving a more tactical role, but I see no such exploration here. Basically, I want more proofs and less empty claims and arbitrary rankings. There are simply too many variables at play here for such a basic faux analysis.
@artzie paw Basically Mean is self explanatory, Standard deviation though is different St.Dev is essentially the square root of the variance. Variance is each number on the die, minus the mean, then the result of all those is then squared. Lastly those 6 squared numbers are added together to make variance. And then the last step is to find the square root of the Variance
My own way was like "Do they add up around 21?" as the first test, then a "worth the risk" or "I could really use just a 3" factor as a strategic choice.
*Just wanted to preface this comment by saying I have been a fan of the content made on this channel for many years, and everything I say comes from a place of love, not hatred. I don’t want to be extremely negative or anything, but I feel like this video is really lacking, and I just don’t want to see this channel moving backwards and dropping in quality. I feel like this tier list is pretty inaccurate for many reasons. Maybe I’m just misinterpreting the point of this video or it’s intentionally dumbed down to make it easier for kids to understand (this actually seems pretty likely given how many times you explain how means work), but this video really feels like it’s leaving out way too much important information and a lot of the logic just doesn’t make sense. To be honest, I just completely disagree with most of this tier list. I’ve ordered this comment into specific problems I have with the video, and I’ll try to order them from least important to most important, so skip to the end if you don’t want to read too much. (Also some of the numbers in the video are incorrect, like Yoshi’s dice block having an extra 5 instead of a 3. Since this comment is based of the video, I might’ve accidentally used some of the incorrect numbers too. I’ll try to fix that if I see it.) 1. Coins: Dice blocks that can give you coins are honestly not that good. Yes, coins are important if you want to be able to afford to steal a star, but the dice block is pretty much the worst way to earn coins. Minigames usually give you 2-10 (or 0-50+ for coin minigames), blue spaces give 3 (or 6), lucky spaces can give 5, lakitu steals 5-10, and hidden blocks can give a lot of different numbers, but I’ve never seen one go below 4. Rosalina’s dice block gives a measley 2. Yes, it can get you more coins so that you can steal a star for 30 coins, or you could just... you know? Roll higher and get one for 10 coins. Since all the +coin rolls move you 0 spaces, they usually make it HARDER to earn or steal stars because you will be traveling around the board less with the lower rolls. 2. Odd vs. Even: Characters who can only roll either odd or even are really no worse than characters who can roll both. There are a lot of ways to chang whether you are landing on odd or even spaces, such as using a normal dice block, items (mushrooms always add odd numbers), allies, and more (like the paratroopa or bob-omb). Also, it doesn’t really matter too much, since stars, lakitu, and shops can be accessed either way and there are good odd and even spaces. The only mode where odd and even numbers really matter is partner mode, which isn’t what this video is about (and even still, that can be remedied with items, allies, or the normal dice block) 3. Allies: Well allies kinda make judging which dice blocks are the best a bit difficult, but I’m gonna try my best. My main problem with this point is that you seem to bring it up for some characters, but leave it out for others. Yes, allies can make luigi and wario roll higher. They can also do that for every single other character in the game. You wanna hear about a character who can really benefit from allies? Let’s talk about shy guy for a second. Like you mentioned, shy guy doesn’t typically roll high, and he is locked to even numbered spaces. Well, allies just so happen to boost your rolls, and also can roll either even or odd, meaning shy guy wouldn’t be locked to only odd spaces with one. Plus, since his dice block only has 2 numbers on it, he barely loses any of the control his dice block usually gives him (more on this later). Really though, allies shouldn’t be used to determine which characters have better dice blocks since they increase everybody’s mean value by the same amount. 4. Stalling: You make a very big deal out of stalling. TOO big of a deal really. While rolling a 0 is nice when you happen to be standing on a good space, like every other number you can roll, it can also cause you to land on a bad space. This effectively makes stalling no more helpful than rolling literally any other number. For every possible situation in which stalling would be the most desired outcome, there are even more situations where it wouldn’t be. If anything, stalling is WORSE than rolling any other number because it means you don’t get to move closer to the star, shops, lakitu, or other locations. Yes, you can stall for the purpose of getting a star to move in front of you, but you would have to be incredibly lucky to roll a 0 and have the star move to a spot right in front of you. Instead, it is often way more efficient to just roll higher and go to the location where you already know the star is, rather than trying to predict where it might be next. Similarly to point 2, this is something you bring up more for certain characters. Peach, monty mole, waluigi, shy guy, yoshi, pom pom, and hammer bro all have the same chance to stall, but you say it as if peach is great because she is one of the best stallers in the game, and pom pom is worse because she could possibly get a 0. You also do pretty much the same thing with DK and Diddy. 5. Comparisons: Okay, I’ve mentioned this a bunch now, so I’m just gonna make it a point of it’s own. Looking at each character individually, this tier list isn’t actually that horrible, but when you look at how characters are rated relative to each other, it just falls apart. Daisy and Pom Pom have very similar dice blocks, but Pom Pom has a 0 and an 8 instead of two 4s. They are very similar, so wouldn’t it make sense for them to be in the same tier? In the same vain, Peach and Shy Guy have essentially the same dice block, with Peach having a 2 and 6 instead of two 4s. This time it’s the other way around though. The riskier character, Peach, is in A tier while the safer character, Shy Guy, is in D tier. 6. Control: One big aspect of certain characters’ dice blocks that I don’t think you touched upon enough is how much control they give the player. Like you said, the boards in super mario party are smaller than normal, and as a result, there are a lot more special spaces (compared to the number of spaces on the board) and a lot less blue spaces. Because of this, on pretty much every turn, there are multiple desirable and undesirable spaces that you have a chance to land on. Being able to make it less likely or even impossible to land on certain spaces is HUGE in this game. It’s practically the core of all strategies behind the character dice blocks. Here are some numbers. -Mario: 50% - 3, 16.7% - 1 5 6 (fairly reliable chance of getting a 3, which can be pretty helpful) -Luigi: 50% - 1, 16.7% - 5 6 7 (50:50 low:high, 1 is occasionally needed) -Peach: 50% - 4, 16.7% - 0 2 6 (4 is pretty reliable, but the other numbers are kinda all over the place) -Daisy: 66.7% - 3, 33.3% - 4 (amazing, I would even say Daisy could be moved to S tier, 3 + 4 are pretty average and they are in the same range) -Yoshi: 33.3% - 3, 16.7% - 0 1 5 7 (3 isn’t too great, 33.3% isn’t that high, and the other numbers are also just all over the place) -Rosalina: 33.3% - +2, 16.7% - 2 3 4 8 (not great, see 1. Coins:) -Shy Guy: 83.3% - 4, 16.7% - 0 (ngl, should be at least A tier, 83.3% is really damn good, and 4 isn’t even that low of a number) -Koopa Troopa: 33.3% - 1 3, 16.7% - 2 10 (not the best, but I think F tier is a bit too low) -Dry Bones: 50% - 1 6 (pretty great, essentially a coin flip) -Waluigi: 33.3% - 5, 16.7% - -3 1 3 7 (slightly better version of Yoshi’s, 5 is a good number, the rest is bad) -Monty Mole: useless, next please -Goomba: 33.3% - +2, 16.7% - 3 4 5 6 (pretty much objectively better than monty mole, but that’s setting the bar very low, normal dice is a way better option) -Pom-Pom: 66.7% - 3, 16.7% - 0 8 (higher risk/reward daisy, could probably be A tier) -Wario: 66.7% - 6, 33.3% - -2 (gotta agree with you on this one, wario is pretty amazing) -Bowser Jr.: 50% - 1, 33.3% - 4, 16.7% - 9 (good percentages, but numbers are a bit weird) -Bowser: 33.3% - -3, 16.7% - 1 8 9 10 (bad control, but it’s good for other reasons) -Boo: 33.3% - -2, 33.3% - 5, 33.3% - 7 (higher risk/reward wario making it slightly worse) -Hammer Bro: 50% - 1, 33.3% - 5, 16.7% - +3 (good control, bad for other reasons) -Donkey Kong: 50% - 0, 33.3% - 10, 16.7% - +5 (best chances for stalling, good percentages unless you plan on actually moving, could be demoted to B, he moves like 3 times a game) -Diddy Kong: 50% - 0, 50% - 7 (also a coin flip, not as useless as you might think but still not that great) 7: Niches and Synergy with the Normal Dice Block: TH-cam won’t let me write anymore, so rip this point. In summary: characters whose dice blocks have abilities that the normal dice block has (like Diddy Kong and Bowser) are better than those that don’t (like Monty Mole and Mario) I’l probably edit this in the future, but it’s like 2 am and I forgot how to speak English so g’night
He stole the tier list from ranked boost and tried to put sense into it because I guess he didn't want people to complain that DK is S tier when most of his numbers are 0 so he mentions stalling, which is complete BS. There's literally no reason why you should stall
Judging from the way you present and build upon your arguments, it's seems that you've put more research into this comment then Gnoggin had put into this entire video. Seriously, this comment almost reaches 'masterpiece status' when compared to the video it's actually contained in.
Finnity But that kinda depends on the circumstances, if you're for example located on an item space, it could be really useful to force yourself to roll a 0, as you land on the same space again and get another item, same could be said for lucky and some event spaces. But despite that, i do agree that stalling in the same place so that the star could move in front of you is BS. Unless if you're stalling to grind for coins, items and allies in order to build a better late-game then your opponents, stalling purely so that the star COULD move in front puts you in an extreme disadvantage, as the star's next location is purely based on chance. This is why Wario has one of the best dice blocks in the game, as he's able to get very consistent high rolls most of the time and still has a small chance of stalling when he needs to.
CRISPY DONUT I actually spent way too much time on this, but I’m kinda proud that I did. I’ve been playing and watching other people play this game for the past week and a half, so I’ve kinda just had a bunch of stuff running through my mind that I needed a chance to get out.
I've got to disagree. I think you put way too much emphasis on the mean travel distance. Yes, bowser allows you to move crazy distances as well as stall, however it's completely useless to you if both of those possibilities are equally likely on the same die. You wouldn't want a 50% chance to roll a 10 when trying to stall and you wouldn't want a 50% chance to barely move/lose coins when trying to move. Literally the only situation where Bowser's die is useful is when it's equally beneficial for you to move or stall, of which there are very few. In almost every situation, I'd rather just use the regular die. On the other hand, Shy Guy will almost always move 4 spaces, which is more useful than you think. Are you trying to avoid a red/event/bad luck space that's less than 4 spaces in front of you? Shy Guy die. Is there an ally/lucky space exactly 4 spaces away from you? Shy Guy die. Are you on the pineapple map and you need to get to a pipe that's exactly 4 spaces away from you? Shy Guy die. Is the star nearby and you want to minimize the risk of getting a low roll and having somebody else take it out from under you? Shy Guy die. Literally any time that rolling a 1,2,3,5, or 6 would be bad for you (which is A LOT) is when Shy Guy's die would be useful and it has much more utility than Bowser's, who you've ranked A tier compared to Shy Guy's D tier.
Gonna have to hard disagree with you here. Gnoggins tier list sucks and shy guy should be a lot higher for his consistency but what bowser lacks in consistency he makes up for in raw stats. Even if bowser rolls a 0 one turn and rolls his lowest, high roll of 8 the next he has still moved just as far as shy guy in those two turns. Shy guy also has a chance of a 0 and as soon as he gets a ally his consistency is out the window. Meanwhile bowser just gets better as he gets Ally's meaning he is always moving and has a 50% to move farther than anyone else. Bowser just travels way to fast and shy guy runs out of steam after the first ally is obtained
@@smflow7807 let's say you have 1 Allie and there is a star 5 spaces 4 spaces away, who do you go with shy Guy or Bowser. Obviously Shyguy because he can consistently get the same roll or around with Allies. Its less of always needing a 4 and more of needing to not got below a 4.
@@probablybobross5790 In that situation I'd rather go with Daisy cause it's garunteed that I get it then (also with how your comment is written I can't tell if I need a 5 or a 4). I understand your point but it's a niche situation. There are far less times that I need above a 3 (which there is a 50% chance with the normal dice anyway) then I would rather get an 8 or up. Your example is a strawman that favors shy guy.
@@smflow7807 the point is that in a luck based system limiting that luck is a major advantage. When I can garuntee something why would I want to take a risk.
Super proud of you Lockstin. Been watching since your first upload, but this is the first I've seen of you in a like more than a year. I can tell things have improved for you. Keep unlocking that potential, brother.
I find it funny that shy guy is the ONLY D tier. I gotta admit I like him and his dice. His dice is very situational, or very average. His stall power isn't his attraction, but a near-ensured 4 isn't a bad move, especially on the first few turns. I feel like dice like DK's and stuff are more situational, while ones like shy guy's are more the one you pick for every roll, and swap off of for special circumstances (like an unlucky space 4 spaces ahead)
Shy Guy and Daisy are hands down the best characters in the game. Almost all the stats are based off of distance/stall and not consistency/ space management. So he's getting marked down when he has the highest probability of getting on the space he wants.
Wario is WAY better than daisy. (and arguably the best outright). 2/3 chance of landing where he wants, with a very good roll of 6 to boot. Daisy does admittedly have a higher chance of landing when she has exactly 1 friend die though.
As someone who plays with Luigi, I find his pretty useful. If you want a 1 or a high number, it's awesome. It sounds like an oddly specific situation, but it happens more often than one would think.
Boo is my favorite in this. It gives a decent chance at high rolls by passing bad spaces, or stalling. If you want to avoid losing coins and don't need strategy, just use the regular dice!
All of y'all sayin Daisy and Shy Guy are cool. Sure sure, but why ya ignoring mah Boo. Boo is great! If you don't want the risk, use the standard dice. If you need movement, use the Boo dice! Boo needs more love...
Yeah I use Boo all the time, the two coin subtractions/zero on Boo's and Wario's dice don't matter if you are good at minigames. Also, the 4.0 average is amazing.
Boo is great, but more people are defending SG because Lockstin gave it a D. He agrees with Boo being S, so there isn't really an arguement for the comments. Also Wario does the same as Boo, but slightly better.
There's no way Rosalina's dice is A or S tier. She's tied with Hammer Bro for the lowest average movement of all dice in the game, even lower than Yoshi. And as he said in the video, it's too easy to get coins from the board or minigames, so the +2 coin roll that she could get doesn't really matter.
You forgot that having a consistent number - say, a majority 4 with shy guy for example, makes a dice block really reliable. It allows you to be sure to miss a space, or having a higher chance of landing on another.
I find it odd how the baddies seem to have the widest range of usefulness with their dice blocks. I wonder if that was intentional. (And yes I consider Wario and Waluigi baddies even if they aren't with the Bowser crowd and their blocks lack spikes)
Waluigi and Yoshi have basically the same die except waluigis takes coins away so it is pretty logically worse than yoshi. But yoshi is in F tier and waluigi in B?? This video was not well thought out because that's a pretty big oversight....
Waluigi is a better Yoshi. I just played with him last night with my mom as Yoshi and my brother as Bowser on the Kamek board and I won. Waluigi was an excellent character to play as, and my usual character to play as is normally Wario, but I liked Waluigi much better. My only other couple of times playing this game was with various family members, since they have it and I don't yet, I played as Wario, and while I did well, I could not win and kept coming in second at best.
Also for boo 5 could be referring to how many points are on a pentagram (it’s 5) and 7 could be referring to how god supposedly made the world in 6 days and rested on 7th day. Who knows though.
IMHO, all die should be ranked on 3 factors: 1. Speed: How likely is it to move you forward, and how far. Useful when you just need to move all the spaces. 2. Consistency: How likely are you to hit (or not hit) a range of values. Useful when you want to avoid a specific space. 3. Accuracy: How likely are you to hit a specific value. Useful when you do want to hit a specific space. This includes stalling, since specific space can also means the space you are on. Wario is S tier because it scores highly on all three factors, with Bowser being less accurate but speedier, and shy guy being the king of accuracy making him at minimum A tier.
I was playing super mario party, and it was the last turn. Peach was a hard com who had just landed on a very unlucky space, and on the last turn rolled a zero. She lost 2 stars. 10/10 stalling strategy.
I think you might overvalue very high numbers and very low numbers over reliability. For example, Shy Guy's dice is crazy reliable. Look forward 4 spaces. Want to land there? Roll your shy die. Particularly in the early game, before you have collected any allies. What these dice offer is control, and I don't think this can be discounted.
I honestly think that shy guy and daisy’s dice blocks are better than peach’s, even though stalling isn’t present on daisy’s, the predictable nature of both is very helpful for planning stuff out, and shy guy’s in particular is very nice, for both stalling and predictable movements, sure you have the 3 fours for peach, but if you want to go 4, you still have a 50/50 chance of getting it, while shy guy has *5* (literally what) so if you want to go exactly four, then either you’re going exactly 4, if unaffected by items, or just nowhere
Shy Guy’s dice is clearly superior dice to peach because his is much safer to use if you desperately need to land on a single space such as an Ally Space.
It’s actually not a game of chance anymore. Take the bowser dice for example. The last three numbers are 8,9,10. If you hit the dice when the 8 faces you as it rolls, you always get at least an 8. The position of the 8 determines if you get and 8,9 or 10. You can break the game this way and get the best number on all die if you aim to hit the dice when the third to last number faces you.
If you have allies then that kinda doesn't work since they randomly give you 1 or 2 extra steps each, making it totally random wether you get an even or an odd number roll. Trust me, this is a very big deal on Partner Party, I've seen some guy lose about 8 coin flips in a row trying to get to the star on a 10 turn game. In that mode you gotta land exactly on it. If you have allies you can't really garantuee anything.
Yeah Lock...I think you're missing it on this one. Utility; the ability to go farther on avg, or stall, or being able to hit a particular number consistently are those that qualify as such. I personally love Luigi for his ability to so consistently hit 1's.
My opinions: Mario: C Luigi: A Peach:C Daisy:B Yoshi:F Rosalina:D Shy guy:B Koopa:E Dry Bones:A Waluigi:A Monty Mole:E Goomba: E Pom Pom: C Wario: S Bowser jr: D Bowser: S Boo: S Hammer Bro: D Dk: E Diddy Kong: A
Well I'm glad the tier list I made for myself is so close to yours. I did however put less emphasis on standard deviation (i.e 'precise' dice) as allies kinda ruin that strategy (honestly I wish allies just gave you their dice to use / helped in team minigames). But yeah, I quickly sussed that a) 0s, including coin altering faces, are super good (until you get an ally anyway) and b) high movement is also super good. So I completely agree with your choices for best dice. :) One thing I will say is that I disagree with Monty Mole's placement in the C-tier, as it ignores the fact that you will still have the regular dice block at your disposal. With that taken into account, Monty Mole's dice brings next to nothing to the table, putting him squarely at the bottom of my tier list.
Eh, I'd say that's not really true. Rosalina has higher variance and a lower average roll, which generally isn't a good thing. Her biggest benefit is that her die is more unique from the standard die (sharing 3 faces as opposed to 4), but that only really matters if you want to gamble for that 8. I'd say they're pretty equal in their mediocrity (which is a shame as I do like Rosaline)
If Daisy or ShyGuy aren't S Tier then the tier list isn't noteworthy. Distance/Stall < Consistency Confidentiality rolling to specific sections of the board is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more useful than moving far. I've had several games where I've gotten the coin bonus star, bad luck star, etc... all because I can hit the reds when I want and hit item spaces when I want. There have been games where I've used 6+ golden pipes.
My thoughts by character: Mario: Since everyone gets the normal die, Mario only matters 1/3 of the time. F or D tier Luigi: Luigi is a decent character, B fits. Peach: A worse Shy Guy with less consistency and no stand outs, low B at most. Daisy: She can keep her A, minimum 3 is really good, and she doesn't lose from allies as much as others. Rosalina: C fits Rosa's fine block well. Wario: 2nd best in the game! Waluigi: maybe lower, for a C. Donkey: his risk makes me say high A tier and leave S for the high-movers. Diddy: Why is he C? Diddy should be in A. Yoshi: F may be a little harsh, but yeah, he's not great. Bowser: yes. SS tier even. Best in the game. Goomba: F tier, 2nd worst with same problem as Mario, too similar to the Normal. Shy Guy: Why the heck D tier? Highest consistency, high uniqueness, and a better Peach does not deserve D tier. Koopa: I'd ease punishment and give him a high D or low C. Monty: G tier. Monty works 1/6 of the time for 1 coin. He has the lowest uniqueness and lowest consistency in the game. BJ: B tier is fine. Boo: I agree, S tier. Hammer Bro: This guy should be in C, not F for his general usefulness in coins, 5's, and uniqueness. DB: A is good. Pom Pom: Maybe an A, She's just a different, maybe slightly worse Daisy with high uniqueness and consistency.
Gotta say, I do love how they changed up the formula of Mario Party in Super Mario Party. Making it more tatics based on Rolls instead of being item and (get big numbers) fest. The only thing that I'll admit can be annoying is again once you get an ally, the '0s' to stay in the same spot and retrigger the event, gets ruined. Honestly, they should set it up where the ally can roll a 0 or even choose rather they roll at all. I'd also love to see them add new characters and boards. I feel Super Mario Party would be just perfect for DLC. Ofcourse, i'm hoping they add the babies. More Precisely Baby Peach or Baby Rosalina. And new boards would also be a welcome site. Sadly, partner party, my biggest issue with that mode is sometimes it's SUPER hard to actually land on the star space... UGH!!
Shy guy probably has the best starting dice block because of its consistency. being able to guarantee to never getting a 1,2,3 without an ally keeps you out of alot of danger from unlucky dice rolls.
I generally agree with this tier list, but why on earth is shy guy in D tier? I understand his die doesn’t sound amazing on paper, but anyone who’s played as shy guy will tell you just how good he is. He can avoid scary spaces, practically guarantee landing on the space he wants, ensure that he gets at least a decent roll, stall with no cost, the works. I know he’s a bit of a gimmick character, but he’s the most versatile gimmick character I’ve ever seen. Aside from that, I feel like this list is pretty accurate! Nice work!
@@PsychoDiesel48 listen this is the one time donkey kong doest get /$@! luck so let him have this moment. Go on Jeff get all the stars and beat the game!
tfw Lockstin insults your three favorite Mario Party characters: Pom Pom, Bowser Jr., and Diddy Kong. ...Hey, Pom Pom's got shurikens. With little *bows* on them. Just the right amount of cool + cute.
In 2v2's. Use shy guy and DK. No matter what its almost a guaranteed role of 4. With either 5+ coins. A stall. Or a huge jump. Depending on if you get a huge jump or stall. That settles the first star. With a huge 14, you should go for that star. Or just a 4 to wait for the next one. This should only work on the first roll of a new star
@@komurohokyoji9169 u rite, however if you aren't getting odd numbers then you could replace shy guy with Daisy and it could still be a very powerful combination
Here is a good Mario party strategy for Kamek's Tantalizing Tower: Use characters with lots of 1's and high numbers like Luigi, Bowser Jr, and Dry Bones. At the beginning of the game, the first space advances you 8 spaces.
I used daisy in star rush, because MY GOD SHE’S BROKEN IN STAR RUSH! 4, 5, ?4. ?=#of allies. With 2 allies, your block is 4 threes, 4, and 5. At max it’s 5 fives, and 1 four. Best in star rush, good in super Mario party. (Which is the 16th one)
Shy Guy is S tier and probs the 2nd best character in the game IMO (behind bowser who legit needs a nerf). The insane consistency makes his block super good especially if there is like a lucky spot or an item 4 spots away.
@Noah Beers (STUDENT) I would rather have a 1/6 chance in moving a 0, than having to do a coin flip, or a 2/3 chance for a 0. Especially with my rotten luck.
Honestly sometimes the dice with 3 or more the same number can be useful allowing you to be more exact with your rolling and get spaces you may want to land on
There is one unforgiveable mistake you made!!! The deviation you counted is meaningless, your roll deviating by 1 or 6 is both just as bad when you want to land on a specific field, what counts is the amount of dice fields with the same number so something like shyguys dice is way better then you listed it as. Other then that everything is fine and i am glad that you are intelligent enough to see a 0 roll as being a good thing most of the time.
having more of the same number (or numbers that are close together) gives a block a lower standard deviation, so if it is accuracy you want go with the dice that have a low standard deviation.
Oh yes, absolutely. And you are not the only one to notice. I would just trow this entire ranking system out of the window and look for the dice that YOU want.
Also, I would have to disagree with your tier for Shy Guy, having the ability to essentially guarantee a spot whenever makes him really invaluable. It minimizes the chance needed in scenarios, and if whatever is 4 spaces away doesn't appeal, then you just roll normal or ally dice.
a big thing to keep in mind, if large numbers are cluttered in the same place on the die, theres a really high chance you will roll high numbers, (if you time it) thats why dry bones and dk get high rolls a lot despite their low numbers
I'd actually say Shy Guy should be placed Higher. It is very beneficial to (nearly) guarantee a number you want to roll in various situations. Like wanting to land a 4 to land on an item space or ally space
Wait, so waluigi's dice block is the same as yoshi's, but the 0 is a -3. That is not a rank B while yoshi gets Rank F. smh hating on dinosaurs as usual
Pi The Fruit Rollup I still dont think that 2 extra spaces is worth -3 coins, especially considering how seriously the game takes losing coins to dice blocks
I don't have Super Mario Party, but I do have Star Rush with Toad Scramble which is similar to Star Mode. Let's just say small roles are worthless, since you can basically expand our path by two somewhere or rotate in place at the start for four turns at a time. It matters more whether or not you get an even or an odd, as if you're on the wrong side, you won't get what you want. If I had to guess, this would push characters like Hammer Bro to a higher rating, but damage characters like Daisy.
Earlier in the video: This character is the best! It has a 0! A tier! I love stalling with 0's and low rolls! Give me more of that! Diddy Kong's die: three 0's... I hate it. C tier.
I think you're making stalling far too important. Yes, it can be good for some circumstance like getting more items or getting another good luck space, but if you play a 20 turn game, it's extremely likely to have one ally. Since they're garuteed to roll a 1, this makes stalling pretty much useless for the entire rest of the game.
I love how the thumbnail says "THE BEST DIE!" instead of "THE BEST DICE!" The first thing that came to my mind was "let's see who can die the best" die in the context of death and stuff lmao
@Sorenmine because she's one of the hosts. I imagine Nintendo wanted there to be as many characters on Bowser's side as there are on Mario's side. And if they were going for a female character on Bowser's side, Pom Pom is really the only likely character since there aren't that many female characters in Bowser's Army (not in the main games at least). Well, I guess there's Wendy but then you'd have to add all the Koopalings and that would just clutter up the playable roster.
I've never played, but I have a strategy, if you're interested 1. Choose DK 2. Decide whether you will go stall or sprint 3. Pick up dash shrooms and allies if sprint, or golden warps and gold dice if stall 4.... 5. Profit
You give characters huge bonus points for stalling, and then also say having allies helps out their low rolls. Allies ruin stalling/rolling a 0. You can't say allies cover up their flaws while also saying stalling is one of their strengths!
Thing is, you can choose when to get an ally. If you no longer need to stall, or don't plan to to begin with, then getting an ally is a bonus.
@@MagiRemmie No you can't! At least, in dome circumstances it's luck, though you can of course make a risk-based analysis.
still rolling a 0 for your ally to roll a 3 or lower is still stalling
@@MagiRemmie how are you supposed to choose when to get an ally...?
You can choose a dice that has a high chance at landing on an ally space or you could use an ally phone or you could choose the path that leads to an ally space in a fork in the road
I honestly think consistency is stronger then the risky dice. So shy guy, Daisy, and peach are my high tiers.
How peach and not pom pom?
And what about Mario?
Tbh the consistency dice just become useless once you get allies, while the traveling dice are even better with them.
"Does Competitive Mario Party actually exist?"
Oh, have you heard of the only show on the internet, FWOB?
No, I am only 12 and live in the sewers, what i2a it?
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Bret Ginn don't forget groceries and long gay copy pasta thing
Well, my fellow 12-yr-olds, I will tell you a tale. Of a show with Groceries, Loving God, & yes, PLENTY of Boats.
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@@Volt790
Sounds lame.
Shy Guy should be S-tier for consistency, consistency is one of the most important things for a dice block. Daisy and Shyguy are best characters by far just because they can garuntee a roll.
@Noah Beers (STUDENT) yeah, I agree you don't want to use DK all the time. I am talking about characters that can consistently get a good roll like Daisy and Shy Guy. They both can almost always put RNG into their favor and make huge luck based rolls easy. In a luck based game you gave the advantage if you modify the luck in your favor.
Probably Bob Ross but he goes slow at 4 and he gets 0 you should go bowed or DK
Even if shy guy's die was all zeros, I would still use him, I love shy guy so much.
@@BARNYARD-yz9us 4 is not that slow especially with the smaller boards. Consistency also gives you a huge bonus, being able to effect luck in your favor in a luck game gives you a huge advantage.
@@TheEpicDuck25 he is a good boy.
Shy Guy, just Shy Guy... If the Star's 4 or fewer blocks away from you? You've got a 5/6 chance of making sure you get it. It's just an awesome die to have in your back-pocket.
I really agree i used him once and got 4 stars out of the five available
Plus that consistency in the first few turns can really help, depending on what your friends do. If they get low rolls or run the risky dice (and they backfire), you're now miles ahead.
It's also great if you need to avoid an event space that could set you back, take half your coins, or warp you across the map
I'd rank him as the best of the non-speed dice. And definitely above dry bones, for the sheer consistency.
i can't think of anything more situational.
I think you have overlooked an important fact: every character always has access to the regular dice block. Therefore, every character's dice block is the most valuable in situations that the standard dice block is ill-suited for: stalling, going large distances, and targeting specific spaces. For example, Monty Mole's dice block should be F tier because it provides almost no additional utility.
Hot Tip: DK's dice is a specialty block. Use the regular dice to move in general. When stalling options open, use DK's dice. In either case, DK's rolls can outspeed the the rest to the star or repeat the space for coin advantage.
Not to mention that if you're able to rack up allies, using DK's dice block exclusively will give you only small rolls of 2 or 3 at worst with the possible bonus of some coins, a possible 4-6 with allies if you still roll a 0, and insanely high rolls when you finally do hit the 10. I didn't know what DK's dice block was prior to this video, so I thought Bowser's block was the best for largely the same reasons with the risk of losing 3 coins half of the time, but with DK having no risk or such a detriment, he's definitely the best character
I have a friend that can roll a 10 on DK's dice pretty consistently. Before that he was rolling 10's with Bowser almost nearly as often. I don't want to accuse him of cheating at Mario Party, but...
@@rawlie2 ive never got a 10 with bowser
I regularly get 10s and 9s with bowser. Also when I was up against DK once he was almost always rolling 10. I think the game favours high numbers (unless you play as koopa... urgh! that stupid 10 is so hard to get on his die!)
old comment but coin advantage doesn't really matter in a game that shoves endless amounts of coins down your throat. Doesn't help that stars cost only 10 coins in this game.
If only Wario had one less 6, then that would be a theory for another day.
Wario Dies Performing a Satanic Ritual
If the variables changed it would he different? Nooo! You're joking
MossMan When I look at you reply, and then look at the thumbnail, and it says “DIE!” in big letters with Wario in the corner lol.
There is the dry bones skeleton
GameShark H4xor Oh yeah, I forgot about him. Yeah he dead, so we know where he went
What, why is Waluigi a higher tier then Yoshi, when Yoshi's die is the same minus the coin penalty?
what? yoshi has 0,1,3,5,5,7 and wario has -2,-2,6,6,6,6. how are they the same in any way? yoshi only has 1 stall instead of 2, with 2 low number (1 and 3) thrown in there. then consider that the remaining numbers on yoshi's die are 5,5,7, of which two of the numbers are lower that wario's 6's - it's not great. the real casualty here is diddy kong getting shafted into C tier - diddy kong has 3 stalls and 3 7's... wario got 2 stalls (with coin cost) and 4 6's. diddy kong should be at least high-B tier.
@@oxenford539 I typed WALUIGI not WARIO.
ah sorry. yeah what the hell then? you're right. the disparity in the tier placing is huge, too. yoshi in F tier but waluigi in B tier? despite waluigi literally being worse than yoshi because of the coin cost he has... yeah good catch noticing that.
I thought the same thing when I first saw Yoshi/Waluigi. But their dice are actually 0,1,3,3,5,7 and -3,1,3,5,5,7. Waluigi is different in that Yoshi's 0 now has a cost, but the trade-off is that a 3 turns into a 5, so you get higher/more consistent rolls overall for a bit of a price.
Kokonut Binks Yeah, whoever edited the video messed up on Yoshi's dice numbers.
I feel like the reason Pom Pom is in the game is because they needed a fourth female character, in case there is a group of four girls playing. Also she adds as a new female personality to play as rather than just a different colored princess.
Im still kinda suprised they didnt pick birdo
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I thought boo was a girl 😭
@@blackrosalina King boo……
@@WAFFLE747 Boo≠ King boo
why on earth is diddy kong C tier? you put wario into S tier because of his 2 stalls (which cost coins) and four 6's... diddy kong has 3 stalls with no coin cost, and three 7's. shouldn't diddy kong be at least A tier?
He explained earlier that special spaces are 4 or 6 spaces apart on average so anything that gives you a high chance of those numbers is better because the special spaces will give an edge over your opponents. Wario is higher because with a high chance to roll 6s he's landing on more special spaces than Diddy who is running past them in most cases.
in other words shy guy is infi tier?
@@YamiZee yeah, and with the dash-shrooms, it's much easier to roll fat if need be.
Assuming you're always on a special space, of course. Since you can't guarantee that, and especially when allies are involved. there's no reason why diddy should rank so low.
@@sinteleon same tbh
I've found that Daisy is an excellent compliment to any risky dice blocks in Team Party. She guarantees you'll at least get 3 and if the risky roll pulls off you'll both go far
I really don’t agree. I think characters like shy guy are s tier with their absolute consistency, and I think you overrate characters like peach hard.
I agree!
@Nozotits I agree
Also about Shy Guy, he said that not being able to land on odd spaces was bad (barring the fact that if you started your turn on an odd-numbered space you're guaranteed to land on an odd space if you use his die), but then Wario is S-tier despite having that same "downside"
watch fwob, they've been playing Mario Party daily for years and that was their criteria to rank the dice blocks, consistency
I think he didn't put one important fact into this comparison: we don't have only 1 dice. For any situation we are in, we can choose between our dice and the standard one. In that case, there are 3 things we could want from our dice: consistency (to hit events), 0 (or even better +coins), or high numbers (for fast travel), as such some of the lower rated dices are in my opinin quite good. There is also point that rolling doesn't seems to follow the standard dice throw formula, mitigating chance.
I love Luigi’s dice block. You can either rocket ahead, or get a consistent 1. This lets you get closer to the star, or lands you on a space that you can use.
Then you will probably like dry bones considering it's just like Luigi but more consistent high numbers
@@EarthBound_Fanyeah but luigi has the high roll odd chance dry bones is missing. Kinda feels like a mix of dry bones and hammer bro
DK is my favorite dice now you either farm the space you are currently on and potentially also get money or roll a juicy 10
I love this Super Mario Party because we don't move with everyone else! Like seriously who thought that was a good idea!?
HailedSpace25 Nintendo... that’s who
its called trying new things
@@notscorchingsands9718 "trying" so that bad idea should have only been in one game
@@Piggly8w8
Exactly.
Though this is why you should have public beta testing.
Oh, I'm glad I misread your post, HailedSpace25. For a second, I thought you said "...Because we don't move *like* everyone else!"
I really do like the character dice.
I think you should've included the fact that every character can use a standard dice. So considering Monty Moles only upside is a +1 coin and a stall, you can move faster with basically every other character, and if you want to stall, there's characters more likely to stall. I think Monty is an F tier because his benefit is nearly identical to every standard die that every character has.
Yoshi's numbers are a bit wrong. Its 0,1,3,3,5,7 not 0,1,3,5,5,7. I can tell you used the Mario Wiki as a base for the block information cause for the longest time before launch they had the incorrect numbers up, likely because of how similar Yoshi's block is to Waluigi's.
That's interesting, since Lockstin has the Mean of the former set but displayed the latter.
Hammer Bro. and Diddy Kong also had errors. I've seen those same errors somewhere else, so Mariowiki is probably the original.
Also: rankedboost.com/super-mario-party/best-characters/
Hammer Bro's die was correct as I have used it multiple times on mario party. It still shouldn't be F though
He said it was +3-1-1-1-5-5, when it's actually +3-1-1-5-5-5.
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I think more emphasis should be put on how different each die is from the standard die. Shy Guy's consistent 4s can be super helpful if you just need that number in the case that the ally space is precisely 4 away. Monty Mole and Goomba might seem good from a distance but actually playing as them is terrible as they have little to no variation from the standard die and end up stuck with just that.
However, I strongly agree with the positioning of Hammer Bro, Wario, Bowser, Boo and DK. The 4 in S tier are absolutely outstanding while Hammer Bro is utterly terrible.
HB has a 50% chance of 5s and 33% 1s, putting him even with most other mid-tiers (I mean ACTUAL mid tiers- Mario, Peach, Bowser Jr. etc.) in terms of "ability to hit a specific space". He's also less variable but a low roller meaning his dice is used more cautiously but more powerful. Not amazing, but "utterly terrible" is a mischaracterization.
The math here is so bare-bones it's embarrassing. In order to properly determine if a dice-block is "good" on the maps, just calculating the mean roll and the its statistical standard deviation (which I'm not sure you properly understand) is not sufficient. You need to calculate after N moves what are the probabilities of landing on each space on each board with each custom die and with the standard die, determine whether or not that space is "good" or "bad" in a more rigorous way, and also take into account interaction from other players. You can't just arbitrarily say "fast movement is good in general" and also "stalling is good in general" but somehow middle of the road movement is bad (?). How can you claim, for instance, that PomPom's 3's are "bad for events" unless you've done these calculations? Plus, events can potentially be good or bad for the player depending on the map and the current game state. I want at least something approaching proofs before even discussing tiers. In addition, it's also something of a tactical decision when to use the custom dice rather than the standard one, and it could be that for some maps, the standard die is better for hitting "good" spaces with the custom dice serving a more tactical role, but I see no such exploration here.
Basically, I want more proofs and less empty claims and arbitrary rankings. There are simply too many variables at play here for such a basic faux analysis.
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He stole the tier list from ranked boost. Literally every tier is the same except for 1 character
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At least they never specifically said "I have 136 IQ" or something around that
that is a lot of word
i’d like to see a markov chain analysis for each of the boards
i think that’d be interesting
As a browser main I can say his high risk/higher reward dice is amazing and I love it so much.
It's kind of funny how complicated calculating the mean is made out to be in this video.
I know considering you do this in an average statistics class, though he is right about stalling and stuff, not that I thought too much of it
Wow my teacher was right
I had no idea what he was talking about
@artzie paw Basically Mean is self explanatory, Standard deviation though is different
St.Dev is essentially the square root of the variance. Variance is each number on the die, minus the mean, then the result of all those is then squared. Lastly those 6 squared numbers are added together to make variance. And then the last step is to find the square root of the Variance
Standard Deviation is what makes it seem complicated.
Other than that it's quite simple.
Yeah, he's just REALLY bad at explaining it.
My own way was like "Do they add up around 21?" as the first test, then a "worth the risk" or "I could really use just a 3" factor as a strategic choice.
*Just wanted to preface this comment by saying I have been a fan of the content made on this channel for many years, and everything I say comes from a place of love, not hatred. I don’t want to be extremely negative or anything, but I feel like this video is really lacking, and I just don’t want to see this channel moving backwards and dropping in quality.
I feel like this tier list is pretty inaccurate for many reasons. Maybe I’m just misinterpreting the point of this video or it’s intentionally dumbed down to make it easier for kids to understand (this actually seems pretty likely given how many times you explain how means work), but this video really feels like it’s leaving out way too much important information and a lot of the logic just doesn’t make sense. To be honest, I just completely disagree with most of this tier list. I’ve ordered this comment into specific problems I have with the video, and I’ll try to order them from least important to most important, so skip to the end if you don’t want to read too much.
(Also some of the numbers in the video are incorrect, like Yoshi’s dice block having an extra 5 instead of a 3. Since this comment is based of the video, I might’ve accidentally used some of the incorrect numbers too. I’ll try to fix that if I see it.)
1. Coins:
Dice blocks that can give you coins are honestly not that good. Yes, coins are important if you want to be able to afford to steal a star, but the dice block is pretty much the worst way to earn coins. Minigames usually give you 2-10 (or 0-50+ for coin minigames), blue spaces give 3 (or 6), lucky spaces can give 5, lakitu steals 5-10, and hidden blocks can give a lot of different numbers, but I’ve never seen one go below 4. Rosalina’s dice block gives a measley 2. Yes, it can get you more coins so that you can steal a star for 30 coins, or you could just... you know? Roll higher and get one for 10 coins. Since all the +coin rolls move you 0 spaces, they usually make it HARDER to earn or steal stars because you will be traveling around the board less with the lower rolls.
2. Odd vs. Even:
Characters who can only roll either odd or even are really no worse than characters who can roll both. There are a lot of ways to chang whether you are landing on odd or even spaces, such as using a normal dice block, items (mushrooms always add odd numbers), allies, and more (like the paratroopa or bob-omb). Also, it doesn’t really matter too much, since stars, lakitu, and shops can be accessed either way and there are good odd and even spaces. The only mode where odd and even numbers really matter is partner mode, which isn’t what this video is about (and even still, that can be remedied with items, allies, or the normal dice block)
3. Allies:
Well allies kinda make judging which dice blocks are the best a bit difficult, but I’m gonna try my best. My main problem with this point is that you seem to bring it up for some characters, but leave it out for others. Yes, allies can make luigi and wario roll higher. They can also do that for every single other character in the game. You wanna hear about a character who can really benefit from allies? Let’s talk about shy guy for a second. Like you mentioned, shy guy doesn’t typically roll high, and he is locked to even numbered spaces. Well, allies just so happen to boost your rolls, and also can roll either even or odd, meaning shy guy wouldn’t be locked to only odd spaces with one. Plus, since his dice block only has 2 numbers on it, he barely loses any of the control his dice block usually gives him (more on this later). Really though, allies shouldn’t be used to determine which characters have better dice blocks since they increase everybody’s mean value by the same amount.
4. Stalling:
You make a very big deal out of stalling. TOO big of a deal really. While rolling a 0 is nice when you happen to be standing on a good space, like every other number you can roll, it can also cause you to land on a bad space. This effectively makes stalling no more helpful than rolling literally any other number. For every possible situation in which stalling would be the most desired outcome, there are even more situations where it wouldn’t be. If anything, stalling is WORSE than rolling any other number because it means you don’t get to move closer to the star, shops, lakitu, or other locations. Yes, you can stall for the purpose of getting a star to move in front of you, but you would have to be incredibly lucky to roll a 0 and have the star move to a spot right in front of you. Instead, it is often way more efficient to just roll higher and go to the location where you already know the star is, rather than trying to predict where it might be next. Similarly to point 2, this is something you bring up more for certain characters. Peach, monty mole, waluigi, shy guy, yoshi, pom pom, and hammer bro all have the same chance to stall, but you say it as if peach is great because she is one of the best stallers in the game, and pom pom is worse because she could possibly get a 0. You also do pretty much the same thing with DK and Diddy.
5. Comparisons:
Okay, I’ve mentioned this a bunch now, so I’m just gonna make it a point of it’s own. Looking at each character individually, this tier list isn’t actually that horrible, but when you look at how characters are rated relative to each other, it just falls apart. Daisy and Pom Pom have very similar dice blocks, but Pom Pom has a 0 and an 8 instead of two 4s. They are very similar, so wouldn’t it make sense for them to be in the same tier? In the same vain, Peach and Shy Guy have essentially the same dice block, with Peach having a 2 and 6 instead of two 4s. This time it’s the other way around though. The riskier character, Peach, is in A tier while the safer character, Shy Guy, is in D tier.
6. Control:
One big aspect of certain characters’ dice blocks that I don’t think you touched upon enough is how much control they give the player. Like you said, the boards in super mario party are smaller than normal, and as a result, there are a lot more special spaces (compared to the number of spaces on the board) and a lot less blue spaces. Because of this, on pretty much every turn, there are multiple desirable and undesirable spaces that you have a chance to land on. Being able to make it less likely or even impossible to land on certain spaces is HUGE in this game. It’s practically the core of all strategies behind the character dice blocks. Here are some numbers.
-Mario: 50% - 3, 16.7% - 1 5 6 (fairly reliable chance of getting a 3, which can be pretty helpful)
-Luigi: 50% - 1, 16.7% - 5 6 7 (50:50 low:high, 1 is occasionally needed)
-Peach: 50% - 4, 16.7% - 0 2 6 (4 is pretty reliable, but the other numbers are kinda all over the place)
-Daisy: 66.7% - 3, 33.3% - 4 (amazing, I would even say Daisy could be moved to S tier, 3 + 4 are pretty average and they are in the same range)
-Yoshi: 33.3% - 3, 16.7% - 0 1 5 7 (3 isn’t too great, 33.3% isn’t that high, and the other numbers are also just all over the place)
-Rosalina: 33.3% - +2, 16.7% - 2 3 4 8 (not great, see 1. Coins:)
-Shy Guy: 83.3% - 4, 16.7% - 0 (ngl, should be at least A tier, 83.3% is really damn good, and 4 isn’t even that low of a number)
-Koopa Troopa: 33.3% - 1 3, 16.7% - 2 10 (not the best, but I think F tier is a bit too low)
-Dry Bones: 50% - 1 6 (pretty great, essentially a coin flip)
-Waluigi: 33.3% - 5, 16.7% - -3 1 3 7 (slightly better version of Yoshi’s, 5 is a good number, the rest is bad)
-Monty Mole: useless, next please
-Goomba: 33.3% - +2, 16.7% - 3 4 5 6 (pretty much objectively better than monty mole, but that’s setting the bar very low, normal dice is a way better option)
-Pom-Pom: 66.7% - 3, 16.7% - 0 8 (higher risk/reward daisy, could probably be A tier)
-Wario: 66.7% - 6, 33.3% - -2 (gotta agree with you on this one, wario is pretty amazing)
-Bowser Jr.: 50% - 1, 33.3% - 4, 16.7% - 9 (good percentages, but numbers are a bit weird)
-Bowser: 33.3% - -3, 16.7% - 1 8 9 10 (bad control, but it’s good for other reasons)
-Boo: 33.3% - -2, 33.3% - 5, 33.3% - 7 (higher risk/reward wario making it slightly worse)
-Hammer Bro: 50% - 1, 33.3% - 5, 16.7% - +3 (good control, bad for other reasons)
-Donkey Kong: 50% - 0, 33.3% - 10, 16.7% - +5 (best chances for stalling, good percentages unless you plan on actually moving, could be demoted to B, he moves like 3 times a game)
-Diddy Kong: 50% - 0, 50% - 7 (also a coin flip, not as useless as you might think but still not that great)
7: Niches and Synergy with the Normal Dice Block:
TH-cam won’t let me write anymore, so rip this point. In summary: characters whose dice blocks have abilities that the normal dice block has (like Diddy Kong and Bowser) are better than those that don’t (like Monty Mole and Mario)
I’l probably edit this in the future, but it’s like 2 am and I forgot how to speak English so g’night
He stole the tier list from ranked boost and tried to put sense into it because I guess he didn't want people to complain that DK is S tier when most of his numbers are 0 so he mentions stalling, which is complete BS. There's literally no reason why you should stall
Judging from the way you present and build upon your arguments, it's seems that you've put more research into this comment then Gnoggin had put into this entire video.
Seriously, this comment almost reaches 'masterpiece status' when compared to the video it's actually contained in.
Finnity But that kinda depends on the circumstances, if you're for example located on an item space, it could be really useful to force yourself to roll a 0, as you land on the same space again and get another item, same could be said for lucky and some event spaces.
But despite that, i do agree that stalling in the same place so that the star could move in front of you is BS. Unless if you're stalling to grind for coins, items and allies in order to build a better late-game then your opponents, stalling purely so that the star COULD move in front puts you in an extreme disadvantage, as the star's next location is purely based on chance.
This is why Wario has one of the best dice blocks in the game, as he's able to get very consistent high rolls most of the time and still has a small chance of stalling when he needs to.
This is the one lengthy comment I've ever read, and I envy it. Just start making commentaries like Digital Ty or some kind of Sequilitis thing, Damn.
CRISPY DONUT I actually spent way too much time on this, but I’m kinda proud that I did. I’ve been playing and watching other people play this game for the past week and a half, so I’ve kinda just had a bunch of stuff running through my mind that I needed a chance to get out.
7:24 Daisy.exe has stopped working.
she probably turned into thanos
Tier: yes
I've got to disagree. I think you put way too much emphasis on the mean travel distance. Yes, bowser allows you to move crazy distances as well as stall, however it's completely useless to you if both of those possibilities are equally likely on the same die. You wouldn't want a 50% chance to roll a 10 when trying to stall and you wouldn't want a 50% chance to barely move/lose coins when trying to move. Literally the only situation where Bowser's die is useful is when it's equally beneficial for you to move or stall, of which there are very few. In almost every situation, I'd rather just use the regular die.
On the other hand, Shy Guy will almost always move 4 spaces, which is more useful than you think. Are you trying to avoid a red/event/bad luck space that's less than 4 spaces in front of you? Shy Guy die. Is there an ally/lucky space exactly 4 spaces away from you? Shy Guy die. Are you on the pineapple map and you need to get to a pipe that's exactly 4 spaces away from you? Shy Guy die. Is the star nearby and you want to minimize the risk of getting a low roll and having somebody else take it out from under you? Shy Guy die.
Literally any time that rolling a 1,2,3,5, or 6 would be bad for you (which is A LOT) is when Shy Guy's die would be useful and it has much more utility than Bowser's, who you've ranked A tier compared to Shy Guy's D tier.
Good job
Gonna have to hard disagree with you here. Gnoggins tier list sucks and shy guy should be a lot higher for his consistency but what bowser lacks in consistency he makes up for in raw stats. Even if bowser rolls a 0 one turn and rolls his lowest, high roll of 8 the next he has still moved just as far as shy guy in those two turns. Shy guy also has a chance of a 0 and as soon as he gets a ally his consistency is out the window. Meanwhile bowser just gets better as he gets Ally's meaning he is always moving and has a 50% to move farther than anyone else. Bowser just travels way to fast and shy guy runs out of steam after the first ally is obtained
@@smflow7807 let's say you have 1 Allie and there is a star 5 spaces 4 spaces away, who do you go with shy Guy or Bowser. Obviously Shyguy because he can consistently get the same roll or around with Allies. Its less of always needing a 4 and more of needing to not got below a 4.
@@probablybobross5790 In that situation I'd rather go with Daisy cause it's garunteed that I get it then (also with how your comment is written I can't tell if I need a 5 or a 4). I understand your point but it's a niche situation. There are far less times that I need above a 3 (which there is a 50% chance with the normal dice anyway) then I would rather get an 8 or up. Your example is a strawman that favors shy guy.
@@smflow7807 the point is that in a luck based system limiting that luck is a major advantage. When I can garuntee something why would I want to take a risk.
I think these dice explanations(the dice themselves) represent the character's personalities well.
One of the most interesting recent non-Pokémon videos so far
When this game was first announced, I never would’ve expected it to have a tier list
My girl Daisy has won me many matches in this game. Consistancy is key.
I've only played Daisy and her die is really safe so I don't think I'll be changing her ever
the only game ive played is with goomba... i love him but not his die
Say guys dice is really good
TenTonTerror 227 Daisy’s Wood?
Yea daisy's dice block is great. As a Rosalina main, hers is honestly pretty crap
Super proud of you Lockstin. Been watching since your first upload, but this is the first I've seen of you in a like more than a year. I can tell things have improved for you. Keep unlocking that potential, brother.
I find it funny that shy guy is the ONLY D tier.
I gotta admit I like him and his dice. His dice is very situational, or very average. His stall power isn't his attraction, but a near-ensured 4 isn't a bad move, especially on the first few turns. I feel like dice like DK's and stuff are more situational, while ones like shy guy's are more the one you pick for every roll, and swap off of for special circumstances (like an unlucky space 4 spaces ahead)
Shy guy is perfect for trying to get on an exact spot, generally something like friend spaces.
Shy Guy and Daisy are hands down the best characters in the game.
Almost all the stats are based off of distance/stall and not consistency/ space management.
So he's getting marked down when he has the highest probability of getting on the space he wants.
Wario is WAY better than daisy. (and arguably the best outright). 2/3 chance of landing where he wants, with a very good roll of 6 to boot. Daisy does admittedly have a higher chance of landing when she has exactly 1 friend die though.
-2 stalls and 6s' aren't better than an odd/even control.
Daisy doesn't help control even/odd at all though. Wario ensures it's even.
As someone who plays with Luigi, I find his pretty useful. If you want a 1 or a high number, it's awesome. It sounds like an oddly specific situation, but it happens more often than one would think.
Daisy is best girl to me, even her die adjusts to how I play.
F daisy shy guy kill Mario ez
Boo is my favorite in this. It gives a decent chance at high rolls by passing bad spaces, or stalling. If you want to avoid losing coins and don't need strategy, just use the regular dice!
Shy Guy is S tier, change my mind.
Also I main Dry Bones and Hammer Bro
I wouldn't say S tier, but definately A. Wario's die is definately S though.
Shy guy is average change my mind
I main boo and sometimes shy guy
I can't change your mind, because you are correct.
i main shy guy
All of y'all sayin Daisy and Shy Guy are cool. Sure sure, but why ya ignoring mah Boo. Boo is great! If you don't want the risk, use the standard dice. If you need movement, use the Boo dice! Boo needs more love...
Yeah I use Boo all the time, the two coin subtractions/zero on Boo's and Wario's dice don't matter if you are good at minigames. Also, the 4.0 average is amazing.
I main boo
Kora Vermillion, yeah, Boo is really good. Getting a 5 of 7 is actually pretty common
Boo is great, but more people are defending SG because Lockstin gave it a D. He agrees with Boo being S, so there isn't really an arguement for the comments. Also Wario does the same as Boo, but slightly better.
Dont see how peach is better than rosa. You mention the stalling tactic but has a smaller chance at stalling than rosa?
Who's rosa?
@@pksalvo6777 Rosalina
I agree, I believe rosalinas dice to be a to s Tier, a very good dice all round and even better with allies
There's no way Rosalina's dice is A or S tier. She's tied with Hammer Bro for the lowest average movement of all dice in the game, even lower than Yoshi. And as he said in the video, it's too easy to get coins from the board or minigames, so the +2 coin roll that she could get doesn't really matter.
Ecl1psed276 the +2 coins dont matter what matters is stalling, from what he said. but remember, you can always use a regular die.
7:23 As all things should be.
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Dry bones has been one of my favorite characters for years, so seeing his die being pretty good makes me happy
You forgot that having a consistent number - say, a majority 4 with shy guy for example, makes a dice block really reliable. It allows you to be sure to miss a space, or having a higher chance of landing on another.
"Yoshi can't hit event spaces" the other day I watched someone get their ass handed to them by a CPU Yoshi that stole every event space
I find it odd how the baddies seem to have the widest range of usefulness with their dice blocks. I wonder if that was intentional. (And yes I consider Wario and Waluigi baddies even if they aren't with the Bowser crowd and their blocks lack spikes)
Waluigi and Yoshi have basically the same die except waluigis takes coins away so it is pretty logically worse than yoshi. But yoshi is in F tier and waluigi in B?? This video was not well thought out because that's a pretty big oversight....
waluigi's dice is -3 1 3 5 5 7 and yoshi's is 0 1 3 3 5 7.... waluigi has an extra 5 instead of a 3
Waluigi is a better Yoshi. I just played with him last night with my mom as Yoshi and my brother as Bowser on the Kamek board and I won. Waluigi was an excellent character to play as, and my usual character to play as is normally Wario, but I liked Waluigi much better. My only other couple of times playing this game was with various family members, since they have it and I don't yet, I played as Wario, and while I did well, I could not win and kept coming in second at best.
@@darthpaul99 it's called luck you are just salty Waluigi will never be in smash
@@svetlanarebane My dude what
@@pyroscar5816 Waluigi will never be in smash
Omg drybones has 666 on his die! That’s honestly very fitting for it!
Also for boo 5 could be referring to how many points are on a pentagram (it’s 5) and 7 could be referring to how god supposedly made the world in 6 days and rested on 7th day. Who knows though.
"Standard Deviation" *Thinks back to math class*
EUGH!
IMHO, all die should be ranked on 3 factors:
1. Speed: How likely is it to move you forward, and how far. Useful when you just need to move all the spaces.
2. Consistency: How likely are you to hit (or not hit) a range of values. Useful when you want to avoid a specific space.
3. Accuracy: How likely are you to hit a specific value. Useful when you do want to hit a specific space. This includes stalling, since specific space can also means the space you are on.
Wario is S tier because it scores highly on all three factors, with Bowser being less accurate but speedier, and shy guy being the king of accuracy making him at minimum A tier.
I would also add "stall potential", because sometimes you do just need that 0. I would argue Diddy is better than Dry Bones for this reason.
Shy Guy is really good because he can almost guarantee a 4 when you need it, and a stall
Unless you previously landed on a Red Space, or a(n) (Extra) Bad Luck Space while you have NO allies with you.
I was playing super mario party, and it was the last turn. Peach was a hard com who had just landed on a very unlucky space, and on the last turn rolled a zero. She lost 2 stars. 10/10 stalling strategy.
And I remember a Daisy CPU using a Custom Dice Block to land on the Extra Bad Luck Space lol.
Seriously though, CPUs are known to be stupid.
I think you might overvalue very high numbers and very low numbers over reliability. For example, Shy Guy's dice is crazy reliable. Look forward 4 spaces. Want to land there? Roll your shy die. Particularly in the early game, before you have collected any allies. What these dice offer is control, and I don't think this can be discounted.
I honestly think that shy guy and daisy’s dice blocks are better than peach’s, even though stalling isn’t present on daisy’s, the predictable nature of both is very helpful for planning stuff out, and shy guy’s in particular is very nice, for both stalling and predictable movements, sure you have the 3 fours for peach, but if you want to go 4, you still have a 50/50 chance of getting it, while shy guy has *5* (literally what) so if you want to go exactly four, then either you’re going exactly 4, if unaffected by items, or just nowhere
I wont read it all but i agree
Shy Guy’s dice is clearly superior dice to peach because his is much safer to use if you desperately need to land on a single space such as an Ally Space.
It’s actually not a game of chance anymore. Take the bowser dice for example. The last three numbers are 8,9,10. If you hit the dice when the 8 faces you as it rolls, you always get at least an 8. The position of the 8 determines if you get and 8,9 or 10. You can break the game this way and get the best number on all die if you aim to hit the dice when the third to last number faces you.
Welp he triple s tier now
My sister crushes me with bowser
If you have allies then that kinda doesn't work since they randomly give you 1 or 2 extra steps each, making it totally random wether you get an even or an odd number roll. Trust me, this is a very big deal on Partner Party, I've seen some guy lose about 8 coin flips in a row trying to get to the star on a 10 turn game. In that mode you gotta land exactly on it. If you have allies you can't really garantuee anything.
You can just say Fwob
No, actually the number that you get is determined by which number is on the side facing down, aka the number that you punch.
Yeah Lock...I think you're missing it on this one. Utility; the ability to go farther on avg, or stall, or being able to hit a particular number consistently are those that qualify as such. I personally love Luigi for his ability to so consistently hit 1's.
I feel like Daisy’s dice block should’ve been the same from the MP Star rush,
She would be more powerful with the ally bonus.
Yoshi:0,1,3,5,5,7, F tier
Waluigi:-3 coins,1,3,5,5,7, B tier
Excuse me, but what is this?
666 dry bones is the devil
I thought that too
"Dry Bones" is also a biblical reference
I thought it too!
My opinions:
Mario: C
Luigi: A
Peach:C
Daisy:B
Yoshi:F
Rosalina:D
Shy guy:B
Koopa:E
Dry Bones:A
Waluigi:A
Monty Mole:E
Goomba: E
Pom Pom: C
Wario: S
Bowser jr: D
Bowser: S
Boo: S
Hammer Bro: D
Dk: E
Diddy Kong: A
Well I'm glad the tier list I made for myself is so close to yours. I did however put less emphasis on standard deviation (i.e 'precise' dice) as allies kinda ruin that strategy (honestly I wish allies just gave you their dice to use / helped in team minigames). But yeah, I quickly sussed that a) 0s, including coin altering faces, are super good (until you get an ally anyway) and b) high movement is also super good. So I completely agree with your choices for best dice. :)
One thing I will say is that I disagree with Monty Mole's placement in the C-tier, as it ignores the fact that you will still have the regular dice block at your disposal. With that taken into account, Monty Mole's dice brings next to nothing to the table, putting him squarely at the bottom of my tier list.
rankedboost.com/super-mario-party/best-characters/
It's nearly identical
i also find it wierd that goomba and rosalina's dice block are basically the same teir even though rosalina's is clearly better in every way
Eh, I'd say that's not really true. Rosalina has higher variance and a lower average roll, which generally isn't a good thing. Her biggest benefit is that her die is more unique from the standard die (sharing 3 faces as opposed to 4), but that only really matters if you want to gamble for that 8. I'd say they're pretty equal in their mediocrity (which is a shame as I do like Rosaline)
If Daisy or ShyGuy aren't S Tier then the tier list isn't noteworthy.
Distance/Stall < Consistency
Confidentiality rolling to specific sections of the board is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more useful than moving far.
I've had several games where I've gotten the coin bonus star, bad luck star, etc... all because I can hit the reds when I want and hit item spaces when I want.
There have been games where I've used 6+ golden pipes.
My thoughts by character:
Mario: Since everyone gets the normal die, Mario only matters 1/3 of the time. F or D tier
Luigi: Luigi is a decent character, B fits.
Peach: A worse Shy Guy with less consistency and no stand outs, low B at most.
Daisy: She can keep her A, minimum 3 is really good, and she doesn't lose from allies as much as others.
Rosalina: C fits Rosa's fine block well.
Wario: 2nd best in the game!
Waluigi: maybe lower, for a C.
Donkey: his risk makes me say high A tier and leave S for the high-movers.
Diddy: Why is he C? Diddy should be in A.
Yoshi: F may be a little harsh, but yeah, he's not great.
Bowser: yes. SS tier even. Best in the game.
Goomba: F tier, 2nd worst with same problem as Mario, too similar to the Normal.
Shy Guy: Why the heck D tier? Highest consistency, high uniqueness, and a better Peach does not deserve D tier.
Koopa: I'd ease punishment and give him a high D or low C.
Monty: G tier. Monty works 1/6 of the time for 1 coin. He has the lowest uniqueness and lowest consistency in the game.
BJ: B tier is fine.
Boo: I agree, S tier.
Hammer Bro: This guy should be in C, not F for his general usefulness in coins, 5's, and uniqueness.
DB: A is good.
Pom Pom: Maybe an A, She's just a different, maybe slightly worse Daisy with high uniqueness and consistency.
Gotta say, I do love how they changed up the formula of Mario Party in Super Mario Party. Making it more tatics based on Rolls instead of being item and (get big numbers) fest. The only thing that I'll admit can be annoying is again once you get an ally, the '0s' to stay in the same spot and retrigger the event, gets ruined. Honestly, they should set it up where the ally can roll a 0 or even choose rather they roll at all.
I'd also love to see them add new characters and boards. I feel Super Mario Party would be just perfect for DLC. Ofcourse, i'm hoping they add the babies. More Precisely Baby Peach or Baby Rosalina. And new boards would also be a welcome site.
Sadly, partner party, my biggest issue with that mode is sometimes it's SUPER hard to actually land on the star space... UGH!!
Shy guy probably has the best starting dice block because of its consistency. being able to guarantee to never getting a 1,2,3 without an ally keeps you out of alot of danger from unlucky dice rolls.
15:35 lol bowser's head turn I'm dying
I generally agree with this tier list, but why on earth is shy guy in D tier? I understand his die doesn’t sound amazing on paper, but anyone who’s played as shy guy will tell you just how good he is. He can avoid scary spaces, practically guarantee landing on the space he wants, ensure that he gets at least a decent roll, stall with no cost, the works. I know he’s a bit of a gimmick character, but he’s the most versatile gimmick character I’ve ever seen. Aside from that, I feel like this list is pretty accurate! Nice work!
Jeff can break the curse!
Well, seeing people's luck with gharacters like Boo I'm not so sure but anything's possible! XD
@@PsychoDiesel48 listen this is the one time donkey kong doest get /$@! luck so let him have this moment. Go on Jeff get all the stars and beat the game!
Maybe that's why the curse transferred to Wario. I just hope the curse doesn't come back for Chuggaconroy.
Idk man, he played as Wario, an S tier character, and still lost in the PBGGameplay Let’s Play.
Peeb v Jeff hmmm
tfw Lockstin insults your three favorite Mario Party characters: Pom Pom, Bowser Jr., and Diddy Kong.
...Hey, Pom Pom's got shurikens. With little *bows* on them. Just the right amount of cool + cute.
In 2v2's. Use shy guy and DK. No matter what its almost a guaranteed role of 4. With either 5+ coins. A stall. Or a huge jump. Depending on if you get a huge jump or stall. That settles the first star. With a huge 14, you should go for that star. Or just a 4 to wait for the next one. This should only work on the first roll of a new star
On doubles even and odd numbers are super important to land on stars, so not really
@@komurohokyoji9169 u rite, however if you aren't getting odd numbers then you could replace shy guy with Daisy and it could still be a very powerful combination
Here is a good Mario party strategy for Kamek's Tantalizing Tower: Use characters with lots of 1's and high numbers like Luigi, Bowser Jr, and Dry Bones. At the beginning of the game, the first space advances you 8 spaces.
I used daisy in star rush, because MY GOD SHE’S BROKEN IN STAR RUSH! 4, 5, ?4. ?=#of allies. With 2 allies, your block is 4 threes, 4, and 5. At max it’s 5 fives, and 1 four. Best in star rush, good in super Mario party. (Which is the 16th one)
Yea, also. I SEE YOU THERE.
MY GUY, ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?!
I easily think shyguy is a S tier, simply because he almost guarantees a 4 if thats what you need. Takes most of the randomness out which is amazing
I disagree with many of the ratings but really liked this video!
This is considering you only use your character die, more extreme and stall dice can be used as tools, more well rounded dice are just alternatives
Shy Guy is S tier and probs the 2nd best character in the game IMO (behind bowser who legit needs a nerf). The insane consistency makes his block super good especially if there is like a lucky spot or an item 4 spots away.
I'm not a huge fan of DK but I can respect it. DK would be so much better if allies didn't ruin the 4 0's on his roll (he is great ally-less)
@Noah Beers (STUDENT) I would rather have a 1/6 chance in moving a 0, than having to do a coin flip, or a 2/3 chance for a 0. Especially with my rotten luck.
Honestly sometimes the dice with 3 or more the same number can be useful allowing you to be more exact with your rolling and get spaces you may want to land on
There is one unforgiveable mistake you made!!! The deviation you counted is meaningless, your roll deviating by 1 or 6 is both just as bad when you want to land on a specific field, what counts is the amount of dice fields with the same number so something like shyguys dice is way better then you listed it as. Other then that everything is fine and i am glad that you are intelligent enough to see a 0 roll as being a good thing most of the time.
having more of the same number (or numbers that are close together) gives a block a lower standard deviation, so if it is accuracy you want go with the dice that have a low standard deviation.
And yet Diddy with 3 zeroes is ranked C. I see some bias going on.
Oh yes, absolutely. And you are not the only one to notice.
I would just trow this entire ranking system out of the window and look for the dice that YOU want.
So awesome to see you making videos! Keep it up, always a great sight to see a new vid up :D
Also, I would have to disagree with your tier for Shy Guy, having the ability to essentially guarantee a spot whenever makes him really invaluable. It minimizes the chance needed in scenarios, and if whatever is 4 spaces away doesn't appeal, then you just roll normal or ally dice.
I'm so glad someone realizes how good 0's actually are
I totally agree with you.
No wonder this guy is called Gnoggin, this is one of the smartest analyses on game math I've seen yet!
Waluigi is a worse yoshi everything you said about yoshi applies to waluigi then waluigi can lose coins too
There was a mistake made for Yoshi. He has two 3s and only one 5, meaning he only has two "good" rolls on his die as opposed to Waluigi's three.
I like how locktsin add small movements on a characters render art, simple yet feels natural.
How is this technic called?
(team mode) DK + Bowser = no more friends except for 1
a big thing to keep in mind, if large numbers are cluttered in the same place on the die, theres a really high chance you will roll high numbers, (if you time it) thats why dry bones and dk get high rolls a lot despite their low numbers
Daisy is my main!
Same here.
13:44 I'm sure you know by now that Monty Mole is a playable character and he even has a special interaction in the Monty Mole whacking mini-game.
Shy-Guy is F-Tier because of less spread, but Wario with his 6 is getting S. Right then Wario seems hyped.😑😑😑
nah, I agree with you. shy guy is s tier imo
Shy Guy is not S tier, but maybe an A tier
Ready for the competitive mario party scene
11:36 its confirmed: drybones is the devil
Do any of you remember when you could roll 1-10 on a regular die on Mario party?
... Like almost every game in the series, which was mentioned at the very beginning of this video, dumbass?
Tip: don't use stall dice on the first turn....i've been stuck on the start spot for 3 turns one time
Year late
But i used bowser and spent most of the game on space 1
I got unlucky with shy guy once
I'd actually say Shy Guy should be placed Higher. It is very beneficial to (nearly) guarantee a number you want to roll in various situations. Like wanting to land a 4 to land on an item space or ally space
Yoshi's dice is actually 0 1 3 3 5 7 not 0 1 3 5 5 7
Note: lockstin is using the population standard deviation formula to calculate these numbers.
Yeah, cause sample standard deviation wouldn’t make sense
Wait, so waluigi's dice block is the same as yoshi's, but the 0 is a -3. That is not a rank B while yoshi gets Rank F. smh hating on dinosaurs as usual
Waluigi pays his taxes
@Pi The Fruit Rollup it's still isn't B tier though
Pi The Fruit Rollup
I still dont think that 2 extra spaces is worth -3 coins, especially considering how seriously the game takes losing coins to dice blocks
I don't have Super Mario Party, but I do have Star Rush with Toad Scramble which is similar to Star Mode.
Let's just say small roles are worthless, since you can basically expand our path by two somewhere or rotate in place at the start for four turns at a time. It matters more whether or not you get an even or an odd, as if you're on the wrong side, you won't get what you want.
If I had to guess, this would push characters like Hammer Bro to a higher rating, but damage characters like Daisy.
Earlier in the video: This character is the best! It has a 0! A tier! I love stalling with 0's and low rolls! Give me more of that!
Diddy Kong's die: three 0's... I hate it. C tier.
I think you're making stalling far too important. Yes, it can be good for some circumstance like getting more items or getting another good luck space, but if you play a 20 turn game, it's extremely likely to have one ally. Since they're garuteed to roll a 1, this makes stalling pretty much useless for the entire rest of the game.
I love how the thumbnail says "THE BEST DIE!" instead of "THE BEST DICE!"
The first thing that came to my mind was "let's see who can die the best" die in the context of death and stuff lmao
Ren Tully a die is a singular dice
Ren Tully a die is a singular dice
In SM64DS Wario is the slowest in Super Mario Party he's really fast
You did Koopa dirty. His dice is very consistent with most numbers, and he always has a chance of rolling a 10.
Just... why Pom Pom but not Boom Boom?
I guess they wanted more female characters.
Why not Madame Broode?
@@thealientree3821 I think they wanted it to be strictly Bowser's minions and Mario's friends.
@@argentum1738 why not toadette?
@Sorenmine because she's one of the hosts. I imagine Nintendo wanted there to be as many characters on Bowser's side as there are on Mario's side. And if they were going for a female character on Bowser's side, Pom Pom is really the only likely character since there aren't that many female characters in Bowser's Army (not in the main games at least). Well, I guess there's Wendy but then you'd have to add all the Koopalings and that would just clutter up the playable roster.
I've never played, but I have a strategy, if you're interested
1. Choose DK
2. Decide whether you will go stall or sprint
3. Pick up dash shrooms and allies if sprint, or golden warps and gold dice if stall
4....
5. Profit
This list sounds like a certain other list I've seen.