I just found your channel today and I’ve been binge watching. I’m from Parma Ohio and I’ve been adding all the spots and festivals you post to my go-to list! 😅 love the vids man great work
Well thank you and thanks for watching! That’s awesome! I’m always looking for new places to check out so I’m glad I could add a few to your list! I appreciate you commenting and for the kind words!
Great episode. Given the number and spacing of remaining stones, safe to say wooden markers have rotted away and horizontal stones have sunk below the grass. Definitely more than meets the eye. Nice job
That’s a really great point that I hadn’t thought about! There could’ve been a variety of other markers that were not made with stone and didn’t last overtime. Plus, I don’t think that Native Americans actually marked their graves, but I could certainly be wrong about that. So where other bodies could be, who knows. Thanks for watching! This was a fun one to film, and I enjoyed doing a deep dive into the history.
I'd love it if I could find some actual historical record with Natives in Tinker's Creek, but I don't currently know anything I particular about that area. Historically, after whites began moving into northeast Ohio after 1795, there was a small group of Ottawa who lived somewhere between Parkman & Garrettsville & a group of Seneca who lived in Streetsboro. There also used to be some Lenape down in Holmes County & the records indicate finding a handful of abandoned Native villages & hunting camps all over the area & there was a vague mention that there might have been some Wyandot somewhere on the other side of the Cuyahoga, but close enough to still come through. I also know they all wandered around the general area a lot, but the consensus seems to be that everyone who was left here just kind of left em masse around 1811, with no record of where they really went. My best bet is they went down into the south of Ohio to live at Tecumseh's brother's compound, Prophetstown & likely then got caught up in the Shawnee War & never came back.
OK, I can clarify some of what I think might be bad history, with the Ottawa- this area was considered Wyandot land after the Beaver Wars (1630-1701), but they chose to set aside everything from the Cuyahoga River to the PA border & from the Mahoning River to Lake Erie aside as a communal hunting ground for all the tribes in the area- Wyandot, Seneca, Shawnee & Lenape. The Ottawas come in because, since they lived clear on the opposite end of Lake Erie from here, they allowed the Ottawa to maintain a settlement roughly where Conneaut now is. While whites began trying to move into & settle in Ohio in the 1690s, this area remained unsettled & infrequently traveled by whites until after the Northwest Indian War (1785-1795), which is when the US formally claimed most of what is now Ohio for white settlement from the Natives. While the records from Ashtabula County only bring up that people found what was left of the village when they first came to Conneaut, Cleveland actually has access to a lot of the earliest records from this area & not only speaks on a few meetings between white traveller's & these Ottawa, but the point following the Northwest Indian War, when the military came in & forcibly evicted the settlement. But, the early records from Trumbull & Mahoning Counties seems to show that those specific Ottawas just moved inland & resettled in what is now Parkman. I think Parkman has some early maps showing where the agreed separation was between the town & the "Indian land," but I can't find anything freely available online from Parkman itself on the matter. And they did find a burial ground in Parkman, I just don't know how old it was. But, the Cuyahoga Valley was riddled with more ancient settlements & centuries worth of scattered burial grounds.
EDIT 2: The info you gave in the video led me down a bit of a rabbithole, today. I guess there were also Ottawa settlements there, too & the last of them moved to the Great Black Swamp area, where most of the Ottawa & Wyandot were. But, all the settlements in the area weren't Ottawa- I do have other documents showing that they were just a bunch of random settlements, with different tribes living in different villages. It's just those missionaries at Pilgerruh were going to establish a mission in Ottawa territory, couldn't because of the Northwest Indian War, found out there were also some Ottawa here & changed their plans.
Now you’ve got me going down rabbit holes I didn’t know existed! This is exactly why I do this channel and what I enjoy so much about it! Thank you so much for sharing!
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I think the folks at the graveyard enjoyed your company! I live in Ohio and love this stuff, thanks for your most enjoyable work. Subscribed.
Thank you so much for watching! And for the kind words! Lot’s of great stuff coming soon!
I just found your channel today and I’ve been binge watching. I’m from Parma Ohio and I’ve been adding all the spots and festivals you post to my go-to list! 😅 love the vids man great work
Well thank you and thanks for watching! That’s awesome! I’m always looking for new places to check out so I’m glad I could add a few to your list! I appreciate you commenting and for the kind words!
Great episode. Given the number and spacing of remaining stones, safe to say wooden markers have rotted away and horizontal stones have sunk below the grass. Definitely more than meets the eye. Nice job
That’s a really great point that I hadn’t thought about! There could’ve been a variety of other markers that were not made with stone and didn’t last overtime. Plus, I don’t think that Native Americans actually marked their graves, but I could certainly be wrong about that. So where other bodies could be, who knows. Thanks for watching! This was a fun one to film, and I enjoyed doing a deep dive into the history.
I'd love it if I could find some actual historical record with Natives in Tinker's Creek, but I don't currently know anything I particular about that area.
Historically, after whites began moving into northeast Ohio after 1795, there was a small group of Ottawa who lived somewhere between Parkman & Garrettsville & a group of Seneca who lived in Streetsboro. There also used to be some Lenape down in Holmes County & the records indicate finding a handful of abandoned Native villages & hunting camps all over the area & there was a vague mention that there might have been some Wyandot somewhere on the other side of the Cuyahoga, but close enough to still come through. I also know they all wandered around the general area a lot, but the consensus seems to be that everyone who was left here just kind of left em masse around 1811, with no record of where they really went. My best bet is they went down into the south of Ohio to live at Tecumseh's brother's compound, Prophetstown & likely then got caught up in the Shawnee War & never came back.
OK, I can clarify some of what I think might be bad history, with the Ottawa- this area was considered Wyandot land after the Beaver Wars (1630-1701), but they chose to set aside everything from the Cuyahoga River to the PA border & from the Mahoning River to Lake Erie aside as a communal hunting ground for all the tribes in the area- Wyandot, Seneca, Shawnee & Lenape. The Ottawas come in because, since they lived clear on the opposite end of Lake Erie from here, they allowed the Ottawa to maintain a settlement roughly where Conneaut now is. While whites began trying to move into & settle in Ohio in the 1690s, this area remained unsettled & infrequently traveled by whites until after the Northwest Indian War (1785-1795), which is when the US formally claimed most of what is now Ohio for white settlement from the Natives. While the records from Ashtabula County only bring up that people found what was left of the village when they first came to Conneaut, Cleveland actually has access to a lot of the earliest records from this area & not only speaks on a few meetings between white traveller's & these Ottawa, but the point following the Northwest Indian War, when the military came in & forcibly evicted the settlement. But, the early records from Trumbull & Mahoning Counties seems to show that those specific Ottawas just moved inland & resettled in what is now Parkman. I think Parkman has some early maps showing where the agreed separation was between the town & the "Indian land," but I can't find anything freely available online from Parkman itself on the matter. And they did find a burial ground in Parkman, I just don't know how old it was. But, the Cuyahoga Valley was riddled with more ancient settlements & centuries worth of scattered burial grounds.
EDIT 2: The info you gave in the video led me down a bit of a rabbithole, today. I guess there were also Ottawa settlements there, too & the last of them moved to the Great Black Swamp area, where most of the Ottawa & Wyandot were. But, all the settlements in the area weren't Ottawa- I do have other documents showing that they were just a bunch of random settlements, with different tribes living in different villages. It's just those missionaries at Pilgerruh were going to establish a mission in Ottawa territory, couldn't because of the Northwest Indian War, found out there were also some Ottawa here & changed their plans.
Now you’ve got me going down rabbit holes I didn’t know existed! This is exactly why I do this channel and what I enjoy so much about it! Thank you so much for sharing!