Can You Actually SAVE Money Driving A Ford F-150 Hybrid? Here Is My MPG After a Year Of Ownership!
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One of the main reasons to consider the Ford F-150 PowerBoost as an all-around, daily driver truck is its potential fuel economy, thanks to its hybrid powertrain. But how well does it actually work in the real world? Can you achieve some considerable savings over getting a conventional 3.5-liter EcoBoost? Andre covers his fuel economy after a full year of ownership!
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Premium fuel 91 octane ? Is that what the manufacturer recommends or can it run on regular 87 octane ?
I think more people need to do the math before getting too wrapped up in worrying about mileage. People talking about trading their truck to save a couple mpg which calculates approximately to around $3-$400 a year with $4 gas with the average driver. Which would obviously be less if gas goes back down. Don’t spend $15k or more on a new truck to save $4k and justify by saying you’re saving so much $ on gas….just admit you want a new truck.
Exactly. Only makes sense if you're looking to upgrade regardless of hybrid/non hybrid
You can get a very nice used truck for half the price or less than this Hybrid.
Like you said the difference in MPG does not justify it.
$25k-$30k in savings will buy you a LOT of gas... plus you'll save more on monthly insurance
I agree 💯👍. In the future, if the prices come down with this chip shortage, EV rebates for state and federal, I would consider getting an EV car. That gives me a saving of $300 dollars a month on gas.
Smart
@dg1
Do you get free electricity to charge the car? Probably not so you won’t be saving that much after all
The biggest advantage I can see with the Hybrid is having a built-in battery and generator for a travel trailer. If you're going to do a lot of off-grid camping hauling generator and fuel for it, just being able to use the truck for your power needs is a big plus. I would love to see someone do a Hybrid in the Heavy Duty segment with a diesel. It would be a great truck for people who live full time in a camper.
More like backyard camping
The problem is that you need to keep the truck there at all times to use the generator. That will work fine for some people, not so much for others.
@@plmn93 a lot of people that live full time have larger battery banks with solar panels. I'm just saying that for some people that would the way to go.
I love camping with my hybrid. Owned a few from many brands and they are great. Especially when a very bad storm rolls in and the kids get scared to camp outside we jump in the hybrid and run climate control all night and not worry about the engine running the whole time
They never build things that are smart.
Only build to suck your money out.
I think if you have a camper trailer, the generator option is by itself what makes this truck the best. No need to have a large, loud generator, just turn the truck on generator mode. I would like to see more videos of this on camping
I just took my 2 month old powerboost on a road trip from southern CA to almost the Oregon border around 1700 miles. Conditions were pretty ideal. Hot, low wind and mostly flat. I ended up getting right about 23 MPG overall, as advertised. This was with my wife and 2 younger boys and about 500 lbs of stuff in the bed covered with a hard tonneau cover. I was pretty happy with that.
Yeah but a 2.7 could have done that too. I have many times in ideal conditions in my 2.7 crew cab 4x4.
@@plmn93 When he is in town they still get over 20mpg for everyday driving. Also the hybrid takes stress off the engine which should put less wear on it overtime. hybrids are best for city/suburb driving as you get the benefit of regen which you don't get on the hwy
Could of done that without a truck and have gotten better mpg.
I finally went from a V8 5.4l triton 4x4 to the 2.7l ecoboost 4x4, and I love it. I live in SW Oklahoma and drive all over north Texas and Oklahoma, and so far I actually get the mileage that was posted on the sticker, if I’m pushing into the crazy wind it gets couple miles lower doing 75-80 mph, but with the wind pushing me I get what it says sometimes a little better, except when I’m pulling my pontoon boat (which is like dragging a deployed parachute) I get around 7-9 mpg doing 60-70 mph which I’m fine with. Couldn’t be happier and hopefully everything keeps going great with my 2022 f-150 XL STX 4x4 crew cab.
Nice truck! I’m up here in Edmond storm just hit. I guess it already passed y’all.
When I am doing just nice easy country highway driving, usually at 63-67 or 53-57 MPH, I am getting 22-24 mpg in my XLT with the 5.5' bed and a tonneau cover. But if I drive 70 or 80 MPH, then MPG drops a bunch more, down to 19 or so. I always use 87 octane gas. Overall, having got the truck in late October, driving through the winter with tires aired down a bit for traction, my total is 19.9 mpg. I am seeing MPG go up since I aired up the tires last week.
Aall that being said, MPG isn't the reason I got it. Being able to idle with the engine off, or stop and go when I pick my daughter up from school, with no exhaust, is more important to me. Also, when working on things outside, I can keep it in Generator mode and be running a refrigerator or tools, and it only comes on for about 2 minutes an hour to recharge the engine. I plan on doing that when camping this summer.
I am also glad that I won't have the sides of my truck rusting away like so many drivers do here in Wisconsin, from the salt on the roads. Aluminum siding = peace of mind there. But I did have the undercoating put on mine, due to Ford's track record with rusting undercarriage from the moment leaves the factory.
Lastly, sometimes on an empty road or when getting on the freeway, it is fun to just floor it and feel the punch of speed with the e motor and the turbos!
So I think there is more to it than just the numbers. For someone needing best freeway driver, Silverado would probably be better. A plug-in hybrid truck would be my ideal I think, as wouldn't worry about running out of charge when camping, but could drive pretty much just on electric for daily driving.
Either way, I am polluting significantly less than I was driving my Ram 1500, and that is the most important to me.
And, as the last poster noted, I wanted a new truck!
Hybrid is the way to go right now for sure. I don’t even think plug in hybrid is even worth the hassle of plugging unless it’s convenient like where you park or worked. Traveling with all electric would be a nightmare.
I live around Atlanta and get similar results in my 22 pb 4wd lariat with about 1k lbs of cargo and myself. Although city driving is very bad, as we all drive too aggressive to get any real benefit from the electric side. The best ive seen mpg-wise was 26-27 while drafting a semi at 70mph. I'm also using 87 right now, but I just ordered a tune from livernois, so all of my fuel savings will be gone soon. 💸
For now the Hybrid F150 in Lariat trim with the tow package trim AND the 7200 WATT Powerboost option is the BEST DEAL out there for ANY truck! You get incredible bed payload, great towing and that VERY NICE worksite/campsite/home-use capable on-board generator! No other truck can do that!
I would PERSONALLY like the PLATINUM or LIMITED edition trim but it's getting up there in price when you get all those interior luxury niceties loaded on-board! The Lariat Edition has the best balance of price vs utility! If you want More Luxury but not the massive price tag of a PLATINUM or LIMITED edition, the King Ranch is your better bet.
Out of the RAM 1500, CHEVY/GMC 1500, Toyota Tundra, Nissan Titan truck series, the OVERALL BEST BALANCE between interior/exterior features, towing/bed capacity AND decent price point is the Ford F150 Lariat Trim level with 7200 watts Powerboost and the towing package option. You get a LOT of truck for your money!
You can then spend the money you save on a nice thick Aftermarket-applied Line-X branded Heat and UV resistant coating for the full underbody, all wheel wells, engine bay walls and an extra layer of bed liner coating which will protect your investment. I would also spend $2000 USD to get a heavy duty front bumper and bush bar (coated entirely with Line-X) that has an onboard 16,000 lbs winch and add in TWO 20 Gallon (75 litre) Jerry Cans to ensure LOOOOOONG driving range between fill-ups!
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@@michaelbassett5105 um....you get a 7500$ tax credit for throwing in 300lbs of battery in the frame that you never see. all you have to do is plug in and get 30 free miles a day or so. whats to hate, so hard to save 5$ by plugging in a cord every day
@@StarGateSG7 no
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Thanks Andre for the video, actually based on your feedback I bought a 2022 Powerboost Hybrid in early Feb, and it is just 1 month now, and my experience is great. It is a capable machine, you focussed on MPG, but II think people buying a 70k focus more on the capability and fun part more. THis truck is very powerful, torque is excellent so I am loving it, it does cost more than 2.7l but the 5-8k worth to my understanding. You have suggested premium octane, any specific reason or just better fule efficiency.
Generally turbo charged vehicles should always use the highest octane available
@@buildingsalvage It depends entirely on the manufacturer's recommendation, because that recommendation is based on how they tuned the engine. For the F-150, the recommendation is 87. Using a higher Octane rating is unlikely to cause problems, but is usually a waste of money. And of course, you should avoid fuel with a lower Octane rating than the manufacturer recommends (ie 85) unless you have a carbureted engine at high altitude.
That said, modern engines will often adjust their timing and/or fuel mixture based on sensed characteristics of the fuel, adjusting the vehicle performance to the fuel type. According to tests done by Car & Driver, the ecoboost engines are some of the best at this adaptability, with the 3.5L delivering an extra 20hp and 0.5mpg on 93. Which is very impressive - but totally not worth the cost under normal operating conditions. If you are towing near the limits of it's capacity, then you mind find some value in the extra performance.
I recently traded my Volkswagen Atlas in for a 2016 2.7L f150 Sport, and I honestly couldn't be happier. This truck is beautiful inside and out, LOTS of power and pep for this little turbo engine, and the gas mileage is the best I've ever had with any vehicle - even my wife's Kia Sorento. A tank of gas will cost me around $250'ish (in Canada), and will last me IF I push it for 4-5 weeks, compared to my Atlas, this is huge considering I was filling up every week (about $90 at the time) this is a daily driver -- grocery shopping//trips//family dinners//kid activities//work etc.. etc.. I highly recommend this engine if you're looking for a truck that doesn't need a lot of towing power.
If the towing and payload meet your needs, the 2.7 is the best 1/2 ton truck engine on the market in my opinion. Absolutely love mine. But make no mistake, what it can tow, it tows better than my old 5.4 did or the current 5.0. Can't beat the low end torque of a turbo when you're hauling. Ford handicaps it with a light duty rear axle for better economy and cost savings. After owning it for 5 years now I am convinced it could otherwise haul much more than it's rated for.
City fuel economy + 7.2kW generator feature is what makes me want one. It would be amazing if the next gen Powerboost could do realistic highway driving.
You could buy an older one and a battery powered generator for a lot cheaper
Could you get without a truck?
@@roodick85not everyone wants to cart around a hundred pound generator everywhere they go. I think the Powerboost is brilliant! I just question that 7200 watt generators longevity after 5+ years or 100,000 miles of driving. Ford engineering has traditionally over-promised and under-delivered
The ford maverick makes a great road tripping truck. Really good highway MPGs, comfortable, and enough capability to do what you need once you get there.
Andre I special ordered a truck just like yours for the 2022 model year, my only difference is atlas blue and 6 1/2 ft bed. $49.800 got the 7.2kw too can't wait to get it mabe in May or June. Thanks for helping me with my new truck decision!
I love my 2019 ram limited. But between City and highway driving in northeaster PA through the mountains I’m looking at about 17 mpg average. I have a Honda Fit that is my daily driver, so mpg isn’t quite as important as it could be for me. So if mpg is your primary concern then it seems this hybrid should absolutely be on your list of potential trucks to buy.
I would really appreciate, if you can come up with a video comparing this with the old GM 2 mode hybrid system and show a comparison of tech, fuel efficiency, reliability, capabilities ( include towing ). We can see how much tech changed in last 14 years .
You should do an eco challenge/ hypermile challenge... Like highway speed at 55 mph .... Most Highways here in Canada is only 80 kph/ 50 ish mph... Lots of wind resistance difference from 55 to 75
yep. today after dropping my youngest off at school, driving home I forgot to speed up from 43 mph speedzone to 55, and drove the last 4 miles home just on electric with the Powerboost. Makes for a nice relaxing ride enjoying springtime coming
Agreed, all the highways northern Ontario are 80kph max
Yeah and get crushed by an 18 wheeler going to slow on the interstate
@@michaelbassett5105 that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard... They have passing lanes
@@michaelharrisson1683 watch your tone Canadian or I’ll park my 18 wheeler in front of your house and block your driveway.
One cost savings in having a hybrid is replacing brakes. The regen braking greatly extends the life of brake pads and rotors. Most prius owners never have to replace their brakes for the duration of ownership.
If you don't hose them down with freshwater and park in a dry garage, they might actually rust more because they're so infrequently used.
Have you tried getting a tune for it yet?
As a Prius driver, I almost never use my breaks. It’s not even just in braking that you get the regeneration. For example, when I exit the highway or I have a stop in front of me and nobody close behind, I’ll just coast and it will fill the battery so much more than letting it charge from the engine.
Did you ever consider the fact that you tow would skew your mpg average over 4K miles?
Till your 10k trans goes
The beginning of this video brings back bad memories of filling up my 2013 F150 5.0. Credit card would top out at 100$ and Id have to hang up the pump and start over. 36 gallon tank. 😂
Same, going to give 3.0 Duramax Sierra a try.
I have a 2021 F 150 powerboost hybrid and really enjoy the 7.2 kw inverter/ generator- I’m puzzled that ford or Toyota haven’t offered a plug in hybrid - a vehicle with 60 miles electric-only would transform the economics of truck ownership allowing most owners to avoid gas entirely during the week with gas kicking in for long distances or towing….no range or winter endurance issues…no issues with lagging charging infrastructure and the first past the post winner would capture many drivers intrigued but not yet convinced about electricity….
Me too. Interested in a PHEV truck with power outlets.
This is the introduction people need to EVs. I'm a big EV fan but know that the comments of range anxiety can hurt the progression. plug-in hybrids are a great introduction to the benefits of EVs and prepare them for maybe a full transition with the comfort of full rage by an ICE
@@eliotjoe9889 agreed….and the car company that gets them in their transition vehicle first will lock in a whole generation of EV buyers ….
@@eliotjoe9889 Yes indeed. I'm interested in both Jeep 4xe and Volvo XC60 PHEVs. A PHEV truck with large battery would be super, much like Andre's truck but plug-in.
I’m with you all the way. I’m like “what the heck they waiting for?” PHEV truck makes so much sense. Hurry up and make it Ford any you have my money!
I love your videos Andre! I recently bought a Lariat Powerboost and love it. I only wish instead of MPG's I'd like to see cost per mile vs diesel trucks. I traded my 2.7 F150 because I recently bought a camper to tow. It's unladen weight is 6600 pounds.
A lot of it can be linked to your commute. I recently got rid of my '15 Ecodiesel with a 3:55 ratio 4x4 due to my new longer commute and it hated it 18 mpg, but when I lived in Co 22.5-25 mpg all day. Was $130 a week and thankfully before the $5 gallon diesel arrived or it would be nearly $200 a week. Even my "long term rental" '22 Elantra does 33-38 mpg rated at 41 mpg hwy which is 90% of my driving still cost me $70 a week now. I didn't need my truck every day of the week like some do so get it if you can't do this, but also remember it isn't worth trading in for 2-4 mpg better and starting all over in a new loan for $15 a week. I do 85 miles just on my commute closer to 100 or more daily for runaround and errands. If you want a new truck just wait for them to catch up production and get a discount.
Do you guys think Ford will come out with a plug in hybrid, or keep the lightning/full gas options only? Not interested in an old school hybrid.
Also your driving higher altitudes and pulling trailers
Bring it down to sea level and regular mirrors and then drive the speed limit in out area and I’m sure you’ll get better mileage.
I have a tiny Euro spec Toyota Hilux diesel. It uses the same amount of fuel as yours 26mpg UK gallons (20.8 mpg US gallons). So congratulations to you and Ford
Still my favorite truck on the show. My 2.7TT with the 6-speed doesn't get that MPG overall. It can get over 21 only when at low elevation on flat roads in Southern Georgia and the like. In WV and hills and turns, it's under 20.
Damn, that's not very good. My 2018 5.0 4WD gets over 22 on flat roads doing 70mph (110kph).
Love my 2021 powerboost! The extra power and electric power while driving in town is what I purchased it for. When I head to the mountains for moose season a full EV is a no go, I cannot plug it into a tree lol.
I love my 2.7 2019 F-150 XLT with a 10 speed trans. I live in a large city and 1/3 of my time I’m on the freeway. Purchased new and have had no problems.
Andre,
On the previous Gen of F150 ('15-'20) there is a way to correct the fuel mileage estimate (lie-o-meter). The vehicle can be put in "engineering" mode and the correction can be made. There are many videos on TH-cam in reference to this.
That being said, I have no idea if this applies to the current generation.
Just a thought. Otherwise, great video as always.
It does. Just a slightly different way to access the engineering mode. Hold the OK button on wheel for 5 seconds, then apply brakes and start truck while continuing to hold both. The dash should go into engineering mode. Use arrow keys to cycle through different screens until you arrive at AFE Bias. Stock is always 1000/xxx. calculate new number by dividing your actual (hand calculated) mpg by what the dash mpg reads. Every truck is different, depending on gear ratio, tire diameter, and even how the computer has 'learned' your style of driving. My AFE bias is 963 which took a few fill-ups to calibrate. HINT: Do your calculations and check your dash numbers BEFORE resetting to zero. If you need to tweak it, make your changes and it will change what your current dash readings are. That will help you know you are going in the right direction. E.g. dash says you got 22.8 but the math says 22.3, adjust your bias a few numbers down (about 3-5) and check the dash. It's never perfect but pretty darn close. Do this a few fill-ups and you will be within .2-.3 mpg all the time.
Honestly, you would save more money just using 87 octane which is what the truck is designed to use. 91 octane is a waste especially at high altitudes.
Thanks for the honest review Andre, you rock dude. My thoughts are, my Power Wagon on 35's gets 17-18 hwy, my old '14 GMC Sierra 1500 4x4 V8 got 21 hwy, your hybrid gets mid 20's, honestly it doesn't really matter. The difference in mpg is negligible no matter what brand you go with, they're all very close ( go figure ), and there's no free lunch. So anyways, unless you're driving a million miles a year it really doesn't matter. For my guys struggling on a budget about to cuss me out, I feel ya, I've been there, but I also wasn't even thinking about driving a newer truck, I drove old cheap junk back then. Cheers to all
There is a massive difference in efficiency between 17 mpg and mid 20’s. That’s more than 1.5 gallons / hundred miles.
I get 20 mpg on the highway with my Ram 1500 Hemi. Off the highway the mileage is awful. I'm not complaining, I knew this going into my purchase two years ago. I wasn't anticipating the price of gas to double though. I was paying about a dollar a liter here in Canada when I purchased it. I'm expecting two dollars a liter pretty soon. Currently, we're at about 1.75 per liter. Oh what fun.
I am not in need of a pickup anymore. However, I have a couple friends that just bought NEW F150s and neither bought the Hybrids because of $ and availability. 1 bought the 2.7 Liter and she adores it.(4x4) And the other bought the 3.5. (FX4) He has no feelings about it 1 way or another. Other than he needed a pick up truck. MPG between the 2 seems very comparable to each other. IF I were to need a work truck, I would lean towards what you have tho.
My brother’s 2019 F-150 XLT 4x4 twin-turbo 3.5 ecoboost is scary quick but sucks up fuel like mad. 15.7 mpg. Imagine the fuel economy if the body weren’t aluminum. Getting mileage in the 20’s would be stellar.
I’ve had a pile of issues with mine and still got few more that needs to be taken care of but as Efficiency yes best truck I’ve owned!!!
Yes, please do not think the Powerboost will save you lots of money!
(because I want demand to go down so I can get one to power off-road camp sites! Lol)
A small side-note regarding the brief commercial at the beginning. That small step inserted in the tow receiver might be clever, and you showed it having a crumple zone feature if you get rear ended. I keep a trailer receiver in mine. And over the years, I've been rear ended 5-6 times. Each time I had zero damage, but the guy or gal that his me often had to be towed away. I was thinking about putting the brand insignias of each vehicle that hit me below the drivers window- kinda like a WWII fighter pilot with Japanese flags that represent the number of planes he's downed.
My 21 f-150 3.5 eco boost, get 9/10 mpg hauling 8500 pound camper. I’m happy
Woah, not all can but I try not to go below 1/2 tank. I know it probably works out to be the same but I'd pass out if I saw 124 on a gas pump😵. I didn't know that they were still making hybrids that used premium. I knew early on in the 2010s that was used but I thought everyone moved over to regular because whats the savings when you have to use premium.
As Andre said, the truck is OK with regular. He didn't provide a good explanation for why he uses premium.
Got 29 mpg in 2H with my recently purchased F150 Powerboost on a 15 mile trip. Also saw 6.3 pure electric miles on a 20 mile trip back from the dealer. Insane numbers. If this thing hits the reliability marker for me, I am getting another Ford next.
Curious why your using premium fuel?
Being rated for 87 octane, what is making you use premium fuel?
You are right. I was stunned to find this out in my thermodynamics class in college that higher octane gas does you no good if the design of the engine can handle lower octane. From what I understand you only need high octane when you have an engine with high compression ratio. The gas explodes near the end of the compression stroke and to avoid that you use higher octane gas, without it you get engine knocking. I never bought premium after that and I avoid cars that require it.
87 gas is good. Yah 91 waste of money.
Ikr..he should use 87..premium is a myth on better mpg..the engine is designed for it and no more
Higher octane fuel in the Ford Ecoboost engines allows for more spark advance, resulting in more power, and in the case of my 2017 Ford Expedition, slightly better fuel economy but not much better.
Andre, Thanks again for keeping it real. 😁
thanks for honest review Andre, love your work. My 4x2 supercab 2.7T gets 23-24 at high speed level ground. 28 MPG at 60mph. love it.
I have a 2021 5.0 same setup. Mine says 21.3 average right now. I have 16,000 miles on it. Thats weekend driving in gravel hills and back and forth to work
I went from the Godzilla f250 to a xlt powerboost more than doubled my miles and now fill every two weeks rather than weekly. For myself and my family it was the best purchase. I am getting roughly 23 mpg vs 11 with the Godzilla. Curious Andre if you feel your tonneau cover helps mpg?
Can you tow what you need to with the power boost?
@@slaytanic921 yes, we have a 24 foot travel trailer with a tongue weight of 750 lbs loaded payload is 1620. I got the 250 thinking we would get a 5th wheel but changed our mind.
Why not use the 87 gas and save money????
Great content as always Andre. Thank you for an honest review of fuel economy on the hybrid F150. I was considering the hybrid, but will keep my 2015 F150 2WD with 2.7 ecoboost for now. 22-23 mpg at 75 mph with AC going.
Bought a used 2wd crew 2019 5.0l STX f150 for under 36k with only 20k miles a few months ago. I get 24 mpg on highway with towing mirrors and about 20 mpg in town in eco mode with auto start stop turned off (I hate auto start-stop).
Towing my 4k lb travel trailer I get 11.8 mpg on average. I was looking to order a powerboost but chip shortages had me shop used and I couldn’t pass up the deal I got on the 5.0l I’ve had no typical 5.0 issues oil level is steady, etc. only upgrade I did was a hellwig front sway bar so far and dealer installed OEM tow mirrors for me.
I saved a lot of money not buying new and I don’t have to worry about new technology issues of the hybrid system.
Speed Kills MPG. I know for fact that you can get better highway MPG if take your foot off the gas. My friend has a 2022 F150 Hybrid, and he is getting incredible highway numbers by being more modest with the speed. and yes, his city MPG is outstandingly crazy.
I would like to see theses test driving at 60-65 mph vs 70-75mph. Some trucks do better at 60mph and some at 70+. I had a 6.4L Power wagon that was better at 75 mph but my Tundra is best at 60-65mph.
I have an 2018 F150 5.0 liter. I pulled a 6200 lbs trailer and cargo 854 mile highway trip and got 15.5 mpg on 87 octane as per the computer and as calculated. It was a 13 hour summer trip with hills and I never came close to overheating. On the way back with the empty 2400 lbs trailer I got 22.2 mpg.
If it was a PHEV and got 60 to 100 miles EV range it would be the absolute perfect Truck.
I get 28 to 32mpgs on my 80 mile drive to work every day, all highway, and 80 miles home.
This week I got 1,007.4 miles to my one 30.6gal tank.
I don't think most people know this but if you order your truck with the 6.5 bed the option for the power boost is only 3300 versus 45 with the 5.5 bed
Andre, spaciba for that long term update! I have an 18 F-150 3.5 ecoboost with 3:21 gear ratio, and I love this vehicle. I live in Wyoming, so it is all open road and small town driving. Mine usually get's 20.5 to 21.5 on the highway depending on wind and whether It's winter or summer gas. I usually get @ 19 around town. I was really interested in what you were getting, as my highway mileage is almost the same as you get. I never use premium, always 87 octane. I don't tow much, but the one time I drove to Longmont and picked up a 22' camper trailer, I only got @ 8mpg going back to Casper with the usual wind. So I have been wondering about upgrading to a new truck in the next year or two, but I can't see much advantage to the powerboost for me in terms of mileage and greater cost to have it. And I can't see any advantage to the new hybrid Toyota as far as mileage is concerned either. Again, spaciba for that long term update.
There are a load of benefits to the hybrid IMHO mileage, 7.2 kw inverter for campers, inverter to provide emergency backup power for home or cabin, inverter for tailgating or remote construction work also reduced emissions. I know manufactures usually have it on options sheet would be nice to see comparisons made of how many tones co2. Awesome videos 👍😀
Going from a Tundra to a hybrid 150 or even a new tundra saves me close to $250 a mo. For the life of the loan approximately 10-12k gas savings. But spending 70k on a truck that saves you maybe 10k is not worth it in almost every scenario. Almost, meaning the lightning. Spending 60k on a lightning would save me close to 6k a year in gas, and 30k+ for the life of the loan. Plus sizable tax credits of near 10k in some cases, so potentially 40k saving in 5 years. For my local uses the lightning makes a lot of sense, just have to wait about 3 years for it to come in.
I have a 2018 F-150 4x4 Lariat diesel. I average ~20 in the winter and ~26 in the summer in mixed driving.
Really, really want a plug in hybrid with at least 50km electric only range. Ford please make it and I will buy it.
Filled up my Ram from near empty in so cal last week.....33 gal tank, $150 with regular gas
Dang for a full size pickup these are pretty good numbers. I'm still planning on getting a V8 since it's what I promised myself but this is a hard second look for sure. Maybe even this one in the end.
This truck is a puzzle wrapped up in an enigma. Like most trucks it does some things very well and somethings not so well. I was very excited when the truck came out, I thought it was the perfect vehicle. But my GMC gets the kind of gas mileage, in fact it’s a little better. I just love the idea of a generator pack in the back. What I don’t like the price.
Better in the city? That's the only place where a hybrid can have an advantage.
Andre, I like your truck. It’s simple, but has everything you could really need and want in a truck. 21mpg seems solid for something that size. That’s an expensive fill up, but it’s getting that way for everyone and every vehicle. My suv has a 24.5 gallon tank and needs premium too. It’s not too cheap to fill. Even a half tank is still $55-60. Fortunately, I get 24mpg on the highway. It’s a 2015 MB ML350 and actually gets pretty good gas mileage for the power it makes. I’m always impressed with it, considering how quick it is and for weighing in at 5,000 pounds with just me inside and a full tank. I still think you’re doing pretty good with the F150.
As Andre said, the truck is rated with regular and doesn't need premium... Not sure why he runs it.
Maybe I missed this answer, but why premium? Its a direct inject so regular and premium offers the same amount of energy.
Andre, I'm surprised you didn't calculate the actual fuel economy, given that you filled up at the pump in the video. We all know how optimistic the vehicle computer is when showing estimated fuel economy.
You're asking for his fuel records for the last 12000 miles? Because that's what the truck lifetime average on the screen was about...🤨
@@ddbutikofer825 No, what I'm asking for what very obvious. An actual calculation of what he really got on the last tank, since he filled up at the beginning of the video. Sorry if you misunderstood man.
I'd add- go a step further and record all fill-ups on long term vehicles and his personal vehicle he you-tubes about. Really easy with Fuelly or a spreadsheet if you're opposed to promoting Fuelly. This would eliminate the inherent inaccuracy of single fill variations. I've tracked every litre going into my truck and am certain it is optimistically lying to me.
Thank you Andre! Yeah it’s never consistent from truck to truck. My Ram 1500 Classic does about 23-25 mpg highway doing 70 mph on regular gas with the 5.7 on a good day. Of course it is a Tradesman quad with std mirrors, 2wd, 3.21 rear axle and a few mods including a tonneau cover, upgraded air intake, running boards, and push bar. It comes down to configuration.
That's pretty good for the 5.7! The 3.6 V6 does even better. . .until you put a load in it.
My V8 for road trips and your truck would be perfect for my work, lots of short trips, loaded and towing. Thank you for the update 🏁🏁👍😊. I like the work models, I like that it has a key!!!
Awesome info, I bought one thanks to you
Was a little surprised that the mpg was that low. My 21 4x4 ecodiesel (got it the same time as you) w/ 3.91 rear is getting 22.4mpg and I drive over the speed limit. If I didn't idle the truck so much warming it up and on my lunch breaks I would be in the 24-25mpg range.
That's pretty good for city driving. My 2021 Ford F-150 EcoBoost 3.5 not hybrid gets about 22 on the highway and 19 in the city.
I don't know if it's true for all trucks but it seems like the long distance travel speed really affects your road trip mpgs. I drive a lot for my job. My current trucks got 370,000 on the odo, and it seems my truck will get its best long distance mpgs if I keep it 65 mph or under. As soon as I hit the major highways and decide to go 70 to 75 mph the efficiency will drop 2 to 3 mpgs. I think I read somewhere that at those higher speeds the aeros of a truck really start causing serious drag.
Doesn’t it take regular gas, not premium?
I'll keep my ecodiesel Rebel. 22-24 city, 26-28 hwy. And I quite sure the 2 wheel drive would get better.
I don't tow, but is the eco diesel worth it for a guy like me? Want the rebel, but average 13-16mpg is killer, especially in these times. Curious if the diesel is worth it
@@baloo1522 we had the 5.7 rebel for about 3 years and that was the same mileage we were getting. Traded it in on our 20 rebel ecodiesel and have never regretted it. We do our oil change at 25% 14-15k miles. Love the 33 gallon tank. Usually says 780 miles to empty. Ours is mostly our every day grocery getter. Worst mpg was 21.5. MSRP on ours 68k. Out the door was 60k that includes tax and tags. Did not order it with the large screen or tow package. In answer to your question it is fantastic for an every day truck.
I have the F150 Hybrid. The truck is really a Swiss army knife. It does a lot of different things well. Good general MPG(not great but good), great mpg in town and traffic jams, good tow capacity, and I can use it as a backup generator for the house or run the camper from it when needed. If MPG is your biggest deciding factor, take a look at the GM Duramax or RAM Eco-diesel. The downfall of the diesels is dealing with DPF regens and reliability of those systems.
How are you getting such bad mpg? My 2014 silverado 5.3 v8 averages 18mpg with highway being 23 or 24.
Thanks for the common sense honest review. If you need the functionality, it makes sense for sure. But many people don't simply buy what they need. They buy what they want/like. Maybe to convey an image. Vehicle purchases are often about emotion. If I were to get the hybrid, and I probably would (a majority of my driving is in urban areas), it makes sense to get the 7.2kW inverter for as cheap as it is.
5700 miles 19.5MPG but we have a lot hills and lots of freeway driving 21 Powerboost
Just bought a Powerboost and I am averaging 22 -24 mpg.
Love the truck. Ready for the 100k update!
In the UK 95octane our standard fuel works out at $7:60 per US gallon or £7:53p per imperial gallon (£1:64.9 per litre) so you’re not too expensive yet.
Europe sucks 😕
I have nearly 25k on mine w/10k towing across the country with a lighter 20’ camper. I have averaged 9.6mpg for those 10,048 miles. Hwy not pulling around 23 and around town sometimes over 30mpg, closer to 26mm v average.
87 octane, some 93 when I crossed mountains.
CA 91 is over $ 6. Thank you Green Goddess Gavin.
Im guessing for longer trips a half-ton diesel would be better? I wonder how the new 2023 Sierra/Silverado Duramax MPG's will be?
30 mpg+
OUCHHH!!! That fill up was a killer!
Can you imagine camping and then seeing Andrey pull up next to the spot near you ? At that moment you realize it’s going to be a great camping experience
Interestingly, Tommy's commercials at the beginning of the video have been VERY informative! I've been saving many of these clips so I can remember to buy these quite handy truck accessories --- Keep using this beginning-of-vide- accessories information format --- I like it!
Please do add a PRICE though (specify US Dollars and Canadian dollars too!) in a lower right hand corner caption!
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Thanks for the long term update. TFL puts quite a lot of mileage on other non-hybrid trucks correct? Does TFL have a non-hybrid truck that does a similar town/highway/towing/elevation profile that has a long term average mpg for comparison? Overall average of 21.3 including quite a lot of towing at that elevation sounds pretty good to me.
GM duramax and Ram ecodiesel
It’s like electric car you spend an extra $30,000 to save 10,000 in gas over 5 year period. And that electric car you bought ruins the planet more than the 20 barrels of oil you use per year.
@@michaelbassett5105 how many miles do you think you can drive with 20 barrels of oil?
current yield industry average appears to be about 13 gallons of gas per 42 gallon barrel.
so you fill up 20 time an let the car set
@@jeffforbes70 haha thanks for doing the math for me
@@jeffforbes70 dude your math sucks I just looked it up 20 gallons per barrel
My father told me that the estimated EPA is based on 55 mph. If you watch your tach you will see the difference between 55 mph and 75 mph not to mention wind, hill's and traffic
Yes, this is correct. EPA is manipulated as well. It's irrelevant in most cases as everyone drives differently.
Even the EPA highway loop also has a bit of city type driving mixed in, which would give a hybrid’s economy rating a good boost.
Its true with a truck. Its dissapointing that epa is done at 55mph. Who drives at 55mph. But on my wifes 2020 Camry Hybrid, epa was almost 100% at 75-80mph.
That was the old EPA test. They redid the ratings in the mid 2000’s because hybrid ratings were so far off. The original Toyota Prius was rated by EPA around 64 mpg when in reality it got around 45 mpg.
I didn't get much difference between 60-75 mph out of my 5.7 hemi.
I have almost the same truck but with the regular 3.5ecoboost I get like 17.5-18.5mpg that hybrids really cool but I got a good deal so I can’t complain
Interesting...I have a 2019 lariat 3.5 ecoboost 4 wd crew cab 5.5 ft bed with hard cover and regular mirrors (not the tow mirrors). I get 25 mpg on the highway. longer trips and fairly flat (few mountains) with cruise control. I usually go speed limit +5. I don't really live in a city but DC burbs so traffic is heavy and involves stop and go. I get 17 mpg. If I use the eco setting i can get 18.5. If I use remote start I lose a little (I will do that in the winter to heat the truck). I use the cheap gas (87 octane), it does have auto start stop which is annoying but makes a difference in stop and go traffic. I have the extended range tank so 36 gallons (a little extra weight). Your mileage seems a bit low but perhaps elevation, drive style etc. make the difference. I don't tow that often and it is usually a small trailer so I can't speak to that. I 'm just at 25k miles - no upgrades - standard maintenance with ford oil. I will say if you put your foot in it your mileage drops precipitously... I watched the vid to see if my next truck would go powerboost. thanks.
Have you ever towed your 6k boat over Monarch Pass? Personally I find that a little tougher to get over with a trailer.
I got 23mph with my 3.5 ecoboost on the highway to NC. I have the max tow package, 12,700 tow, and 2030 payload with my configuration.
You guys think that your gas is expensive! Here in Quebec you would pay about 200$ for 28 gallons! Thanks for your great content!
Stop voting for Kamel toe tredeau!
Oh, I love your Berner picture!
Hey Andre, Ive been looking but can't find it. Which video covers the headlight bulb change you made. I have a 21 XL Powerboost and love it
26 in the city is fantastic! It would be well suited to city pickup and delivery or trade use
You are filling it with premium, is that required by Ford?
It seems to me that the best combination would be an ecodiesel/hybrid which would give you the best fuel efficiency highway with hybrid efficiency in town…wonder why the manufacturers haven’t produced one 🤔
Why are you filling with premium? Is premium required?
Andre, why do you run premium gasoline? You should do a mpg test comparing premium against 87 octane with your truck! My understanding is premium often has less BTU content than regular, possibly because they use more ethanol to increase the octane. And since ethanol has lower BTUs per gallon it provides less fuel economy unless the engine can take advantage of the additional octane through higher compression ratio and more advanced ignition timing. You might get EPA fuel economy with regular!
He won't. The vehicle recommends premium for best performance. Not required but recommended. I own this exact truck and mpg goes down by one with 87. It's in the owners manual.
That's all for premium!? I just filled 4 daysago and it was $5.19 here in Georgia